Is worshiping on Sunday and the Sun Worship of Baal connected...?

[marc]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

[chosenone]

Oh dear I guess that means that we cant worship anyday just incase it is somehow connected to some god or other. Come on Guys God made the days of the week and He can be worshippped any day. just becuase some gods have taken certain days as 'theirs' that means nothing to God. Saturday Sunday or even monday just DO IT and dont worry about it so much.

[Bocephus]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

It definitely is.  Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of Saturn?

[Amo]

It definitely is.  Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of Saturn?

Your argument is not with me, or EGW, it is with the word of God.  Be careful about suggesting that God established Saturn worship.  I don't think He would be to happy about that. 

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Jesus prophesying about the future said -

Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

[teresaq]

teresaq:

OldDad on Yesterday at 02:53:26 PM

OldDad on Yesterday at 09:07:27 AM
The SDA consider themselves to be the only, true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, said "...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90)

They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).

Makes you wonder why they would hang out with all of us - unless they have "missionary" intentions.

So the churches that most of us on this forum worship with and serve in are in the "full possession of Satan," and our prayers are an abomination to God.  Further, the SDA is THE remnant church - in other words the ONLY church not in the possession of Satan and the only church whose prayers are not an abomination.

Does that statement accurately express what you believe?

you mean this part where she is talking about slavery?   well, yes, i would have to say any churchgoer of that age, whatever church they went to who could own slaves and treat them as they did, that YES, beyond any doubt their prayer was an abomination to the Lord.

why would you see it differently?


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Said the angel, Their sins and pride have reached unto heaven. Their portion is prepared. Justice and judgment have slumbered long, but will soon awake. Vengeance is mine, and I will repay, saith the Lord. The fearful threatenings of the third angel are to be realized, and they will drink the wrath of God. An innumerable host of evil angels are spreading themselves over the whole land. The churches and religious bodies are crowded with them. And they look upon the religious bodies with exultation; for the cloak of religion covers the greatest crimes and iniquity.  {1SG 190.1} 
     All heaven beholds with indignation, human beings, the workmanship of God, reduced to the lowest depths of degradation, and placed on a level with the brute creation by their fellow men. And professed followers of that dear Saviour whose compassion was ever moved as he witnessed human woe, heartily engage in this enormous and grievous sin, and deal in slaves and souls of men. Angels have recorded it all. It is written in the book. The tears of the pious bond-men and bond-women, of fathers, mothers and children, brothers and sisters, are all bottled up in heaven. Agony, human agony, is carried from place to place, and bought and sold. God will restrain his anger but a little longer. His anger burns against this nation, and especially against the religious bodies who have sanctioned, and have themselves engaged in this terrible merchandise. Such injustice, such oppression, such sufferings, many professed followers of the meek and lowly Jesus can witness with heartless indifference. And many of them can inflict with hateful satisfaction, all this indescribable agony themselves, and yet dare to worship God. It is solemn mockery, and Satan exults over it, and reproaches Jesus and his angels with such inconsistency, saying, with hellish triumph, Such are Christ's followers!  {1SG 191.1} 
     These professed christians read of the sufferings of the martyrs, and tears course down their cheeks. They wonder that men could ever possess hearts so hardened as to practice such inhuman cruelties towards their fellow-men, while at the same time they hold their fellow-men in slavery. And this is not all. They sever the ties of nature, and cruelly oppress from day to day their fellow-men. They can inflict most inhuman tortures with relentless cruelty, which would well compare with the cruelty papists and heathens exercised towards Christ's followers. Said the angel, It will be more tolerable for the heathen and for papists in the day of the execution of God's judgment than for such men. The cries and sufferings of the oppressed have reached unto heaven, and angels stand amazed at the hard-hearted, untold, agonizing, suffering, man in the image of his Maker, causes his fellow-man. Said the angel, The names of such are written in blood, crossed with stripes, and flooded with agonizing, burning tears of suffering. God's anger will not cease until he has caused the land of light to drink the dregs of the cup of his fury, and until he has rewarded unto Babylon double. Reward her even as she rewarded you, double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled, fill to her double.  {1SG 192.1}   

i would be very curious if there are any here who would see this differently than she did?

are you saying, olddad, that you are in favor of slavery, that she was out of line for feeling as she did?  they were your phrases posted. 

 

Since what I quoted is nowhere to be found in the section you cut and pasted, I don't know what you're talking about. 

since you took your quotes from the very same source i "cut and pasted" then you know very well what she was referring to.   

she also said

Not all in the world are lawless and sinful. God has many thousands who have not bowed the knee to Baal. There are God-fearing men and women in the fallen churches. Many of the honest in heart are gasping for a breath of life from heaven. They will recognize the gospel when it is brought to them in the beauty and simplicity with which it is presented in God's Word.--Testimonies, Vol. 9, pp. 109-111. (1909)  {Ev 66.3} 

[teresaq]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

It definitely is.  Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of Saturn?

only if God is "saturn". :)

Exo 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

[marc]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

It definitely is.  Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of Saturn?

It sounds like it.

btw, today's mail delivered a book on Norse mythology from Amazon.  I have a feeling that this will likely eliminate a few more days.

[marc]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

It definitely is.  Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of Saturn?

only if God is "saturn". :)

Exo 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If you find any day on the calendar marked "Sabbath", then argue this.  My understanding is that you worship on Saturday.  Follow the link and see what you worship.

You probably celebrate Christmas as well.  I know how evil this is; there is a town in my state where the ritual of burning couches on Saturdays in the fall is still celebrated.  

[teresaq]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

It definitely is.  Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of Saturn?

only if God is "saturn". :)

Exo 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If you find any day on the calendar marked "Sabbath", then argue this.  My understanding is that you worship on Saturday.  Follow the link and see what you worship.

You probably celebrate Christmas as well.  I know how evil this is; there is a town in my state where the ritual of burning couches on Saturdays in the fall is still celebrated.  

are you a christian?  im not getting that impression.

and actually no, i do not celebrate christ mass, tho many in my church do not see any harm in it.

but back to "saturday".  yes in english the 7th day, or sabbath is called saturday.

but in many languages the 7th day is called sabbath. 

from your source, the wikipedia:
In Jewish Law Saturday is the Shabbat. Thus, in many languages the Saturday is named after the Sabbath.

the Romance languages follow the Greek usage, so that their word for "Saturday" is also a variation on "Sabbath": the Italian is sabato, the French is samedi, the Spanish and Portuguese is sábado and the Romanian is sâmbătă.

The three Abrahamic religions, via their original languages, regard Saturday as the seventh day of the week (Judaism via Hebrew, Christianity via Ecclesiastical Latin, and Islam via Arabic) by naming Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday as the second through sixth days of the week. This is concordant with the European Pagan tradition, which named the days of the week after the seven Classical planets (in order Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn), naming the first day of the week for the Sun, perceived as most important, and moving to those perceived as lesser.

The Slavic languages regard Saturday as the sixth day of the week by naming Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday as the second, fourth, and fifth days of the week, although their name for Wednesday, middle, would imply that Saturday is the seventh day of the week. It is also interesting to note here that all Slavic languages derive their name for Saturday from Abrahamic tradition (e.g. Czech/Slovak/Polish: sobota; Russian: суббота, subbota; Serbian/Ukrainian: субота, subota).

A similar numbering trend is also exhibited by the Baltic languages.

[marc]

Recognizest Thou sarcasm?

You asked in another thread why people were being antagonistic toward SDAs here.  Read the op of this thread for the answer.  Read the first sentence of your last post for another.

[teresaq]

Recognizest Thou sarcasm?

You asked in another thread why people were being antagonistic toward SDAs here.  Read the op of this thread for the answer.  Read the first sentence of your last post for another.

it would appear that you misread what i stated.  if you read this again who am i saying is being antagonistic?

i dont know where this started but i would like to say, to my seventh day adventist brothers and sisters,

did you start this forum with the intention of antagonizing and alienating our non-sda brothers and sisters? 

[Hobie]

My brothers, forgive me if have posted or said anything to offend or have posted anything that hurts you in any way. But we must be willing to be corrected, if wrong. We must be careful not to lock ourselves"with traditions of man." We must free ourselves from false doctrines which may lead us to fight against Gods truth. I am trying to bring what history plainly shows how the Sabbath was changed, and it was not by God.

We must prayerfully ask God for guidance as we look through these issues. And we should willingly study and seek the truth of the matter as history shows and God reveals it, whatever that truth may be, if our hearts are right With Him!

Thank you for allowing me to come and share with you, and if anyone has a suggestion how to make the study of this issue more caring and loving for all, please let your voice be heard.

[James.]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

My thought when I saw the thread title precisely.

[teresaq]

My brothers, forgive me if have posted or said anything to offend or have posted anything that hurts you in any way. But we must be willing to be corrected, if wrong. We must be careful not to lock ourselves"with traditions of man." We must free ourselves from false doctrines which may lead us to fight against Gods truth. I am trying to bring what history plainly shows how the Sabbath was changed, and it was not by God.

We must prayerfully ask God for guidance as we look through these issues. And we should willingly study and seek the truth of the matter as history shows and God reveals it, whatever that truth may be, if our hearts are right With Him!

Thank you for allowing me to come and share with you, and if anyone has a suggestion how to make the study of this issue more caring and loving for all, please let your voice be heard.

first, my brother/sister i would like to apologize if i have hurt you, and i am sure i have.

second, we are sdas and this information does not bother us at all.  but, i believe, we need to put ourselves in our non-sdas bretherns shoes.   i dont believe they are in the least wrong for feeling offended.

i would suggest that we abide by the counsel we are given in ellen white and make friends with those of other churches.  get to know them, find what we have in common, discuss those things.  in my limited experience that has worked the best.

people start asking questions eventually and as the word says:
Isa 28:10 ....here a little, and there a little:

give them the freedom to accept or reject without being condemned.  but when we come across like this    they are going to feel judged and condemned.

i hope that you will at least consider my points and maybe we can find better topics to post and/or discuss.

[teresaq]

Saturday worship is connected to the god Saturn.

My thought when I saw the thread title precisely.

oh, ok.  i didnt get the connection before.  i understand now.

this was an unfortunate thread to start........