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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 09:53:28 PM »
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There are no Bible characters who were vegetarian or vegan!

21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:21-23 (KJV)

I'm sure there have always been vegetarians.  Some prefer the original diet given to humanity.  It is healthier.  There are better reasons today to not eat meat, than ever before. 

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The Biblical principles of the marriage relationship were that neither spouse were to deny relations to the other.  This is the very opposite of the teaching of Ellen White.

Of course, sex is not a problem in this world at all.  Nor does it have anything to so with the lust of the flesh.  There is no such thing as over indulging.  Moderation only applies to other things.

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 09:53:28 PM »

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 02:21:03 AM »
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There are no Bible characters who were vegetarian or vegan!

21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:21-23 (KJV)

I'm sure there have always been vegetarians.  Some prefer the original diet given to humanity.  It is healthier.  There are better reasons today to not eat meat, than ever before. 

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The Biblical principles of the marriage relationship were that neither spouse were to deny relations to the other.  This is the very opposite of the teaching of Ellen White.

Of course, sex is not a problem in this world at all.  Nor does it have anything to so with the lust of the flesh.  There is no such thing as over indulging.  Moderation only applies to other things.

Of course food and sex are a huge problem in the world but it is the ' EXCESS/DEPRIVATION ' that is mainly causing it. MODERATION has never been man's forte because we ignore GOD's instructions.
All this will be corrected when Christ returns very soon now !!!

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 02:21:03 AM »

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 02:41:15 PM »
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What scriptures say do not eat meat?

None.  The original, and no doubt most healthy diet given to humanity in the garden of Eden, contained no meat.  Modern science realizes also the ill effects of meat, and that it is not actually a necessary part of any diet.  As soon as anyone has a heart attack, they will likely be told by their doctor to cut way down on it, if not to give it up altogether.  I just watched a documentary on netfilx the other day called Forks over Knives, it was very informative.  You should check it out.

Hey, if eating meat was good enough for the Creator Himself, I think I'll just go ahead and keep chewing.

Genesis 18

 1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

 3And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

 4Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

 5And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

 6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

 7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

 8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2012, 08:36:13 AM »
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Hey, if eating meat was good enough for the Creator Himself, I think I'll just go ahead and keep chewing.

Genesis 18

 1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

 3And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

 4Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

 5And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

 6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

 7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

 8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

I think we are in a little bit of a different situation than God, don't you?  We will all die, save those who are alive at Christ's second coming.  Nevertheless, the quality and length of the present life will certainly be effected by what we do or do not eat.  Most people wait until their doctor tells them to cut back or stop eating meat, which of course only happens after it's negative effects have taken quite a toll.

Today though, there are better reasons not to eat meat than ever before.  Mass production and corporate greed have made meat and many other foods just about unfit for human consumption.  At the very least one should look for organically grown fruits and vegies, and free range meat and dairy.  On top of all the other junk already added to our foods, we now have genetically modified foods to deal with.  I would encourage all to look into these matters.

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 01:47:43 PM »
Don't forget that God COMMANDED the priests and levites to eat all the sacrifices that were brought to the temple/tabernacle.

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2012, 04:21:14 PM »
Don't forget that God COMMANDED the priests and levites to eat all the sacrifices that were brought to the temple/tabernacle.

Remember you still do not have that Temple in Israel to do that Dave ,  Jesus was the Lamb of God, he was the true bread that came down from heaven,

Jesus said you must be born again, to see the Spiritual things of God, Flesh do the mind of the Flesh.
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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2012, 07:55:36 PM »

God provides healthy eating instructions for all his children, God will provide the food necessary for all those with a sincere heart; We must all study about Gods word, he does have the proper eating instructions to live long and healthier life for him, why should I continue to live the way I use to after eating those unhealthy things, what good is there being an unhealthy Christian, when it could be prevented.

We are all brought up to be Missionaries, if we do things against the Body that others do, what good is it if we become Mission fields also. Besides eating Healthy we live better productive lives and that is proven in history as well as the bible History.

If we look at the age of Man after the flood when Man started to eat flesh the age of Mankind decreased rapidly. If we read about the Diet challenge in the Book of Daniel, we see 3 Hebrews who did not eat Babylon’s Diet and ate their own diet, they were healthier, their skin countenance brighter, when tested, they were recorded  ten times wiser than the Kings Wiseman who ate Food of Babylon.   
 
If we Study animals in history that eat vegetation opposed to Flesh, we see less aggressive Animals,

Let’s not be ignorant and foolish and judge either way, but ask our God for help in our diet so we can become better soldiers for God.
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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2012, 08:57:54 PM »
If we look at the age of Man after the flood when Man started to eat flesh the age of Mankind decreased rapidly.

in the beginning God gave this food for Man kind to eat
Gen 1:29  I have provided all kinds of GRAIN and all kinds of FRUIT for you to EAT;

after sin thier was still abundate Vegatation on the earth,  no indication Man needed to change its Diet to Flesh

Gen_5:5  and died at the age of 930.
Gen_5:8  and died at the age of 912.
Gen_5:11  and died at the age of 905.
Gen_5:14  and died at the age of 910.
Gen_5:17  and died at the age of 895.
Gen_5:20  and died at the age of 962.
Gen_5:27  and died at the age of 969.
Gen_5:31  and died at the age of 777.
Gen_7:21  Every living being on the earth died---every bird, every animal, and every person.

after the flood there was no Vegetation on the earth, Flesh was more abundant, Man started eating more and more Flesh.

Gen_11:28  and HARAN died in his hometown of Ur in BABYLONIA,
Gen_11:32  Terah died there at the age of 205.
Gen_25:7  Abraham died at age of 175.
Gen_25:17  Ishmael was 137 years old when he died.

If we read about the Diet challenge in the Book of Daniel, we see 3 Hebrews who did not eat Babylon’s Diet and ate their own diet, they were healthier, their skin countenance brighter, when tested, they were recorded  ten times wiser than the Kings Wiseman who ate Food of Babylon.  
 
Dan 1:12  

Daniel said the the King PROVE THY SERVANTS, I beseech thee, TEN DAYS; and let them give us Vegetables to eat, and water to drink
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Dan 1:13  Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants.

Dan 1:14  So he consented to them in this matter, and PROVED them TEN DAYS.

Dan 1:15  And at the END of TEN DAYS “their
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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 05:02:18 AM »
MG - there was clearly an environmental change that occured with the flood - since prior to that time there was never any rain and we NOW have rain. Donald W Patton in his book "The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch" theorized a Venus style canopy around the Earth of water vapor that kept the entire globe in a tropical climate.  When that came crashing down at the flood/ice age, the nutritional content of the native plants changed to the point that we needed the additional protein from meat.  It also led to the decreasing lifespans that bottomed out with King David at 70 years.

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 06:28:31 AM »
MG - there was clearly an environmental change that occured with the flood - since prior to that time there was never any rain and we NOW have rain. Donald W Patton in his book "The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch" theorized a Venus style canopy around the Earth of water vapor that kept the entire globe in a tropical climate.  When that came crashing down at the flood/ice age, the nutritional content of the native plants changed to the point that we needed the additional protein from meat.  It also led to the decreasing lifespans that bottomed out with King David at 70 years.

Cannot disagree with that info, that’s good science information, thank you, I will look it up to confirm, combined with the Biblical account of ages of the people given by God, that’s solid proof that man needs protein to survive and that Man did eat enough protein through plants foods such as lagoons and spinach and needed no Flesh before the flood and their ages where Ten times Higher, much like the Test of the 3 Hebrews in Daniel, they were ten times Wiser and had a more healthy skin than people who ate delicacy of foods .

 I think the key point is when changing your diet  from being a flesh eater to Vegetarian; you must eat plant type protein foods such as Lagoons and spinach to complete Gods diet in the bible with fruit with Grains. If you change from flesh to Vegetarian and don’t eat the protein Vegetarian foods also, your Skin covering and health would not be good, may as well eat the flesh for the protein.


The problem doctors are confronted with every day is telling patience to change their diet and exercise such as walk, but they are depressed with poor health and cannot think right and they end up not changing their diet. So the doctor ends up giving them pills and more pills to supplement their bad health problems. Science has proven if people would eat right, they would gain more energy to exercise, and they would take far less medication.

And another important point your doctor may or may not tell you, you should stay off the caffeine, it increases the heart rate, after you get your rush for the day, a few hours later you become more tired in the day and will end up exercising less.
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2012, 02:32:16 PM »
Nothing wrong with eating meat.  You had me at bacon.

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Re: What is so wrong with eating meat?
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2012, 03:48:37 PM »
"He who is weak eats vegetables only." Romans 14:2