LOL, RB, if you think my former eschatology views were “overall sound” when I once was following the usual premil. disp. teaching, you must be kidding. For me to leave that behind, I would certainly not describe it as “falling from the truth I once embraced”. The truth is that God delivered me from a slavish fear to that man-made system fabricated from a total misunderstanding of scripture. I thank Him on my knees for such mercy given to me.
The “true BIBLICAL MEANING” of Mystery Babylon has already been handed to you by the angelic interpreter in Rev. 17:18. It’s defined as an actual “CITY”, not an “institution” or a world-wide system as Amo and you are mistakenly substituting your own definitions for it.
“That GREAT CITY” of Rev. 17:18 that was BACK THEN IN JOHN’S DAYS presently ruling over the “kings of the earth” was the same as “the GREAT CITY where our Lord was crucified” in Rev. 11:8. No other city than FIRST-CENTURY JERUSALEM qualifies for this definition given by the angelic interpreter of John’s visions. You guys may wish to broaden and extend the definition to include other things, but this is adding your own thoughts and interpretations to the scripture. Confusion is the result.
Amo, you’ve got a river of commentary going on above that wanders all over the place except the main point. None of what you wrote disproves that scripture in Matt. 17:25 identifies the “kings of the earth” as being the high priests of the land of Israel - the very same as those “kings of the earth” that are later identified in Rev. 17:18.
Amo, I know you would like to link these “kings of the earth” with being the same as the “kings of the whole world”, but these are separate and distinct categories from one another, as found in Rev. 16:14. You remember, those “spirits of devils” were going to go out and deceive not only the “kings of the earth” (tes ges - the high priests of the land of Israel), but ALSO the kings of “the whole world” (tes oikoumenes holes - which would be the governing powers over the nations of the world at large).
These are two DIFFERENT sets of “kings” being distinguished from each other. You can’t lump them together, because scripture doesn’t do that. And we no longer have any high priests of Israel wandering around, which limits the date of Revelation’s composition to a time period when there were still nominal high priests around attempting to perpetuate the outdated temple system (in other words, Revelation was written before their temple and its priesthood was crushed to non-existence in AD 70).
As you acknowledge, Amo, that temple and its priesthood system were rendered defunct and obsolete by Christ becoming the final and ultimate “King of kings” (the “Great high priest” over all former high priests) at His ascension on His resurrection day. But the rebellious Jews apparently needed an obvious physical crushing of that defunct system in AD 70, just to give a powerful visual demonstration that there was no going back to it ever again. Humanity is notoriously hard-headed.
Let me state this in politically correct terminology, you have been mislead. You should stop interpreting scripture according to the narrow minded parameters of your or someone else's preconceived ideas which you have submitted to. The new covenant gospel of Jesus Christ is universal and global in nature. It is no longer confined to literal Israel and her enemies, but calling all of this world out Babylon to become citizens of Christs spiritual kingdom here and now in preparation to become literal citizens of God's New Jerusalem in the new heaven and new earth. Which will be created after the fall and end of Babylon(the kings, peoples, merchants, musicians and entertainers of this world in defiance of God delineated in Rev 18). The New Jerusalem and Babylon the great are the two diametrically apposed cities of a universal or global nature, depicted in the book of Revelation. One built by God in Christ Jesus our Lord, and the other built by fallen humanity in defiance of God who separated them at the tower of Babel to prevent universal apostasy until the appointed time. When all the world would unite again under the banner of that great spiritual city, Babylon, unto perdition.
Your assertion that the city referred to in Rev 11:8 can only be referring to literal Jerusalem and cannot have any spiritual application otherwise, is refuted by Rev 11:8 itself and other scriptures themselves addressing this city and event exactly. Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Heb 11:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. 12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. 13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. 14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was crucified outside of Jerusalem according to ceremonial law. So the city where our Lord was crucified in Rev 11:8 cannot be Jerusalem. The author of Hebrews himself made reference to the New Jerusalem and city of God in the verses above which His faithful have always desired to be citizens of. Your denial of the spiritual cities or kingdoms depicted in the book of Revelation is a denial of many other scriptural references to the same. Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Apart from the above mistake you make, your whole argument hangs upon the completely faulty premise of kings of this earth referring only to priests of literal Israel and therefore tied down to that history as well. This is most obviously not the intention of scripture, it is your misguided take based upon one incident where Christ included the Priests of literal Israel among the other kings of this earth. Which by the way, leans heavily towards Preterism, one of the prophetic models devised by the Jesuits to remove the pointing finger of biblical prophecy away from their own religious institution. Are you a Preterist?
Concerning Babylon Observe - Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH....................................... ..........
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Jerusalem in the days of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ’s humanity, did not rule over any of the kings of this earth, nor has it ever to date. There is no good reason to take the terms kings and inhabitants of this earth in the above quoted scriptures to mean priests, rulers, and peoples of literal Israel alone. Such is the restrictive construct of individuals attempting to manipulate scripture unto their own intentionally limited understanding. The many waters which Babylon sits upon in the above scriptures are defined for us in this same chapter we are examining. Observe - Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Will you now insist that the above “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues all apply to the leaders and peoples of literal Israel alone in Jesus’ day? What sense does that make?Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
When did Jerusalem ever make all nations do anything? She certainly did not during the days of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ or any time after. She was ruled over by and destroyed by the Romans and their armies. Rome lives on today through Roman Catholicism whose leader still bears the title of Pontifex Maximus. This true spiritual city which does continually sacrifice our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through the false doctrine and practice of transubstantiation in her masses. Not to mention other doctrines, practices, and politics which completely contradict the teachings and testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Revelation chapter 18 addresses Babylon again, and again connects her to all the kings, nations, and peoples of this earth. The scarlet, purple, gold, precious stones, pearls, and the golden cup are all attributes of Roman Catholicism visible to all today in the garments of her leaders, the instruments of her practices, and the beautification of her cathedrals. Since 1929 she has been a literal sovereign city state of this world. She has a permanent seat of observation at the United Nations which no other religion has the privilege of. She herself entertains ambassadors from virtually every nation on earth. She even declares her vision concerning the unification of all humanity to be the prefiguration of the undivided CITY of God, emphasis mine.
ENCYCLICAL LETTER CARITAS IN VERITATE OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF BENEDICT XVIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City
TO THE BISHOPS PRIESTS AND DEACONS MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS THE LAY FAITHFUL AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT IN CHARITY AND TRUTH
Man's earthly activity, when inspired and sustained by charity, contributes to the building of the universal city of God, which is the goal of the history of the human family. In an increasingly globalized society, the common good and the effort to obtain it cannot fail to assume the dimensions of the whole human family, that is to say, the community of peoples and nations, in such a way as to shape the earthly city in unity and peace, rendering it to some degree an anticipation and a prefiguration of the undivided city of God.
Vatican City, , officially the Vatican City State (Italian: Stato della Città del Vaticano; Latin: Status Civitatis Vaticanae), is the Holy See's independent city state, an enclave within Rome, Italy. The Vatican City State, also known as The Vatican, became independent from Italy with the Lateran Treaty (1929), and it is a distinct territory under "full ownership, exclusive dominion, and sovereign authority and jurisdiction" of the Holy See, itself a sovereign entity of international law, which maintains the city state's temporal, diplomatic, and spiritual independence. With an area of 49 hectares (121 acres) and a population of about 825, it is the smallest sovereign state in the world by both area and population.
Again 3Resurrections, you are simply wrong.