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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #70 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 04:07:01 »
GB, I would love to see you post in this thread, out of curiosity of WHO do you believe Jesus Christ is, whose Son is he? And, WHEN did he become the Son of God, or WHEN did God conceive His Son, eternity past, (which is absurd) or IN TIME around two thousand years ago? Michael and Jesus Christ are not one and the same, as some teach. Being correct on the Doctrine of Jesus Christ is essential to knowing Him, for if any man brings a doctrine contrary to the word of God concerning JESUS CHRIST, that man has a spirit of antichrist and we are forbidden to bid them God's speed. 

And if indeed the Sonship of Jesus Christ begun around two thousand years ago, how could he have created ALL THINGS? For INDEED Jesus Christ was BEFORE all things and by him, ALL THINGS consist and had their beginning according to the will of Him, who said LET THERE BE LIGHT and it was! One more question~How could it be said that Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father, yet also he was the Son of God made in the likeness of sinful flesh and lived in that flesh for around thirty-three and a half years, and then~ by wicked hands he was crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it." GB, was he JUST a MAN, or was he MORE than just a man, was he God manifest in human flesh? What saith thou?

I truly do not expect you to answer any of these questions for they would expose you even more as one who possesses the spirit of antichrist.
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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #71 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 09:54:19 »
Michael, the Archangel.... IS NOT God.  Nor is he Jesus.

And this thread, boys and girls, is a good example of why there is so much disagreement on what the meaning of is, is.

Rarely do  two people, in this forum, read the same words and comes away with an agreement of what is written as a statement of truth and what the meaning of that writing is.

Everyone, including myself, have fallen victim of listening to and learning from those that we assume have more clarity and knowledge of the biblical issues we all debate here.

When nothing further from the truth of these "teachers" and church "leaders" should be accepted as the end all as they also are more often then not in disagreement with each other. Yet we ,like sheep, follow those that seem to "have it all together."

I am a bit behind in this particular thread , so was playing catch upon this glorious morning WE all SHOULD be celebrating, or grateful for on the date we have selected to celebrate the birth of our Savior... Jesus.

For the words from that song,that touches my heart strings....

Hark, now hear the angels sing
A new king born today
And man will live forevermore
Because of Christmas day

........ Will be with me all day.

Yes, I know there is much disagreement on even this subject.

Anyway, I digress.

As I was reading to catch up, I was hit by something I never had though of before.

Amo quoted

THE FIRST APOLOGY OF JUSTIN
CHAPTER 63
HOW GOD APPEARED TO MOSES

And the Angel of God spake to Moses, in a flame of fire out of the bush, and said, I am that I am, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, the God of thy fathers;

That naturally led me to do a refresher on Exodus to confirm that indeed Moses... If he did the actual writings of Exodus, or if they were written by someone else, possibly using Moses' notes... no matter...
wrote...

Exodus 3 does tell us....

And the Angel of God spake to Moses, in a flame of fire out of the bush, and said, I am that I am, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, the God of thy fathers;

fast forward to Exodus 33

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

So should we assume that God is an angel?

Or would it be safe to assume that Moses got it wrong and it should have read spirit, not angel?

I can state fairly certainly that it is because of little things like "the Angel of God spake"... would lead some to come to an understanding that God is an Angel....  For if not.... Moses wouldn't have had to be shielded from seeing the face of God as He passed by.

These are what brings the debates here, and I am coming to the conclusion that God intends for there to be some confusion among mankind. There can be no other explanation.





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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #72 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 10:53:29 »
To begin with - the Subject line of the O.P. is incorrect. The meaning of the name Michael is "who is LIKE GOD?". NOTE the question mark at the end.

It's a RHETORICAL QUESTION with the Biblical answer being NO ONE IS LIKE GOD.

It should be noted that Ellen White and the other anti-Trinitarian SDA's vigorously taught that Jesus was "Michael the archangel" and in keeping with the Book of Daniel Michael WASN'T the only archangel - there was OTHER archangels - for example, Lucifer was an archangel. 

Ellen White
Rebellion originated with Satan. Notwithstanding the exalted position which he occupied among the heavenly host, he became dissatisfied because he was not accorded supreme honor. Hence he questioned God's purposes and impugned his justice. He bent all his powers to allure the angels from their allegiance. The fact that he was an archangel, glorious and powerful, enabled him to exert a mighty influence. Signs of the Times Sept 14 1882

For another explicit example go to page two of the following URL - the 2nd paragraph on page two.  This is directly from the Seventh Day Adventist Archives.  http://docs.adventistarchives.org/do...pdf#search=%22

"The first rebellion, or sin, which is transgression of the divine law (i John 3:4), originated in a leader of the angels, one high in the administration of God's government. It was an archangel who, through pride in his brilliancy, fell, and so committed himself to an age-long
controversy with his Maker
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Lucifer, Like Michael was considered by Ellen to "be a leader of the angels".

To understand SDA Theology and Biblical processes one must understand the Great Controversy theme proposed by Ellen White. Under this rubric God, the archangels (to include Lucifer & Michael) and the other angles were hominid flesh, bone and organ "personalities". Lucifer the archangel because upset because God didn't consult with Lucifer the archangel about the formation of man - God instead consulted with Michael the archangel.

Lucifer stews and pouts and tricks Adam and Eve into sinning thus creating a "Great Controversy between Christ and Satan".

Michael sloughs off his flesh body and becomes incarnated in the Virgin Mary.

The following video is a production made by SDA's whereas the chapter of the Great Controversy pertaining to "The Fall of Satan" wherein the book is quoted along with some cartoon images.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=MCDfSwPVdqY&feature=emb_logo


RUBBISH!

The Lord Jesus Christ has many titles in scripture. He is and always has been God! This debate is not about questioning this fact. It is simply about whether or not Michael the archangel was one of those titles or not. Jews and Christians throughout history have believed, and rightly so, that scripture speaks of an Angel who is God. Believe it or not, Jesus Christ who is God the self existing one, can no doubt be far more than any of us could ever imagine to far more beings than any of us probably have any idea even exist. He is not just the God of humanity, He is the God of all. Just among humanity His own word bears testimony of several different titles which themselves denote different aspects of our eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and whatever other omni's there are. He is all in all to all. Apart from Him their is nothing. One of His eternal purposes is to bring all creation back into willing submission to God the Father that God may be all in all to all once again. His only true and rightful position.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

1Co 15:27  For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


The Lord Jesus Christ is far more than any of us will ever even fully comprehend. All of His titles have deeper meaning than any of us will ever know. If anyone thinks they have Him contained in the little box which is our mind, they are seriously mistaken. He is fully man and fully God. Does this mean He cannot be or perhaps was also fully angel and fully God before humanity existed, or fully any other created being and fully God. Which one of you will limit His ability and or power from eternity? Which one of you knows what He is or has been to all creation from time eternal? I have no doubt that He is the revelation of God to all created beings. Do you?

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #73 on: Wed Dec 25, 2019 - 11:37:50 »
AMO,

While Jesus has many titles not one of them allow for others (apart from the other Members of the Trinity) to be on equal footing with Him.

The reaction you had to being exposed to Ellen White affirming Lucifer was also an archangel is not surprising in the least. Many SDA's have been shocked to learn Ellen White taught this. It's ok, now that you are aware of it the knowledge will aid you in reassessing other things you've been taught by the Denomination.

Understand this issue is MILD compared to some of the other things Ellen stuffed into believers - she violently fisted heretical Doctrines into her believers much like an enraged chef would stuff a Christmas Goose or turkey.


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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #74 on: Sat Dec 28, 2019 - 12:35:17 »
AMO,

While Jesus has many titles not one of them allow for others (apart from the other Members of the Trinity) to be on equal footing with Him.

The reaction you had to being exposed to Ellen White affirming Lucifer was also an archangel is not surprising in the least. Many SDA's have been shocked to learn Ellen White taught this. It's ok, now that you are aware of it the knowledge will aid you in reassessing other things you've been taught by the Denomination.

Understand this issue is MILD compared to some of the other things Ellen stuffed into believers - she violently fisted heretical Doctrines into her believers much like an enraged chef would stuff a Christmas Goose or turkey.

I'm not in the box you have created in your own mind concerning me or my experience in relation to your comments on this board, or your fantasies regarding EGW or anything else for that matter. There is no end to the number of people twisting the words of EGW, scripture, myself and or anyone else on the planet. This is exactly why God will be the final judge of all words proceeding out of the mouth of fallen humanity. We're just so full of crap, we need God to judge and separate truth from fallen humanities non stop fantasies in regards to what constitutes the same.

Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

EGW saying Lucifer was an archangel is not a problem but for those who wish it to be. The angels do have leaders no doubt. Those leaders could be referred to as archangels. Perhaps if she had said he was the archangel, it could be problematic, in that Christ Himself is the leader of all angels as He Himself calls them His angels. Still, her testimonies concerning both Christ and Lucifer make things crystal clear concerning each of them for any and all who truly wish to know. Apart from this, liars have, do, and will continue to twist the words of others to their own ends until the Lord of all returns and sets all records straight.

EGW believed in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I could care less if she declared herself a trinitarian or not. I am not a trinitarian, in that I could care less to acknowledge this or that creed of any denomination concerning the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. There is the Father, there is the Son, and there is the Holy Ghost. People can debate about their roles or specifics of them if they wish, but I will not submit to any mandate concerning that which scripture itself does not clearly define or reveal. At one time the forerunners of your state sponsored and elevated denomination formed angry mobs which fought, and even beat each other to death over the "Trinity" issue. Constantine had to step in and decide the matter by law, as your denomination likes it. So be it. I care nothing for such decrees and the usurped powers that make them.

I will find the articles you quoted, and examine them in context to reveal their true intention and expression apart from that which you have quoted for.

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #75 on: Sat Dec 28, 2019 - 13:00:25 »
The article below is that quoted by Cathlodox in its entirety for proper context. The quoted paragraph is in red.

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THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES

September 14, 1882

Obedience Better Than Sacrifice

By Mrs. E. G. White

“Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.” These words of reproof, addressed to the king of Israel by Samuel the prophet, contain a lesson that should be pondered by the people of God in every age. The sacrificial offerings of ancient times were of themselves of no value in the sight of God. Those who presented sacrifice before the Lord must have a true sense of its import, acknowledging their lost condition as sinners, and accepting the death of Christ in their behalf. They must repent of their transgressions of God's law, and exercise faith in Jesus as the only one who could remove their guilt. When the offering of a sacrifice was substituted for true, willing, glad service to God, when it was regarded as having any virtue or merit in itself, or when the type was exalted above the object typified, then it became displeasing to the Lord.

Had Saul presented an offering of the greatest value, from his own flocks and herds, obeying in every particular the requirements of the law, yet in a spirit of self-sufficiency, and without true penitence, his offering would have been rejected. But when he offered the spoils of Amalek, upon which the divine curse had been pronounced, how utterly abhorrent must have been his course in the sight of a holy God. He had presumed, in the presence of all Israel, to show contempt for the authority of his Maker.
“To obey is better than sacrifice.” This lesson is of special importance at the present time, when the claims of God's law are urged upon our attention. The light now shining from the sacred word reveals the fact that an alien power has tampered with the statutes of Jehovah. The papacy, “the man of sin,” has attempted to change the times and laws of divine appointment. The Creator of the heavens and the earth commanded, “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God; in it thou shalt not do any work.” This command was enforced by the example of its Author, proclaimed with his own voice, and placed in the very bosom of the decalogue. But the papal power has removed this divine ordinance, and substituted a day which God has not sanctified, and upon which he did not rest, the festival so long adored by heathens as the “venerable day of the sun.”

In all this, Satan is the master spirit. He has no particular regard for Sunday, but he desires that his will shall be obeyed, rather than the will of God. It was Satan that incited Adam and Eve to transgress the command of their Maker, and he has continued this work even to our own day. We see the success of his attacks upon the law of God, in the wide-spread disregard for the ancient Sabbath of Jehovah, and the well-nigh universal veneration for the institution of heathenism and papacy. And we see the terrible results, in the skepticism which everywhere prevails. The Sabbath was instituted in Eden, as a memorial of creation. It points men directly to the true God as the Maker of the heavens and the earth. Thus it stands as a mighty barrier against idolatry, atheism, and infidelity. Had the Sabbath been universally kept, not one of these evils could have gained a foot-hold in our world. There could not have been an infidel nor an idolater.

Even the political regulations given to Moses when he was in secret council with Jehovah, contain important lessons for the people of every age. But the law proclaimed from Sinai in the hearing of assembled Israel, and written by the finger of God, is obligatory upon all men to the close of time.
When God commissioned Saul to utterly destroy the Amalekites, he did not leave it to Saul's judgment to destroy or keep alive as he should see fit. When he forbade our first parents to eat of the tree of knowledge, he did not leave it to them to eat or not to eat, as they pleased. When he commanded men to keep holy the seventh day, he did not make it optional with them to obey if convenient, and if not to sanctify a day of their own choosing.

Many endeavor to evade the claims of the fourth commandment by urging that the law of God was given to the Jews exclusively; that the seventh day of the week is the Jewish, while the first day is the Christian Sabbath. This distinction is not recognized in the Scriptures. There is no such contrast as is often claimed to exist between the Old and the New Testament, the law of God and the gospel of Christ, the requirements of the Jewish and those of the Christian dispensation. Every soul saved in the former dispensation was saved by Christ as verily as we are saved by him today. Patriarchs and prophets were Christians. The gospel promise was given to the first pair in Eden, when they had by transgression separated themselves from God. The gospel was preached to Abraham. The Hebrews all drank of that spiritual Rock, which was Christ. It was by Christ that the worlds were made. By Christ the law was proclaimed from Sinai. Hence, Christ is, in the fullest sense, as he declares himself to be, “Lord of the Sabbath.” He made the day sacred to himself, on which to receive the worship of angels and of men.

How dare any, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, trample upon its requirements? Saul stated, as an excuse for his transgression, that he “feared the people.” Are there not many in our day, even among the professed ministers of Christ, who could give no better reason for their course? Though the word of God is plain, they dare not offend the prejudices or arouse the fears of their hearers; therefore they let them go on unwarned in their violation of God's law. In the day of final judgment the excuse of Saul will avail for them no more than it availed for him.

“Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.” Rebellion originated with Satan. Notwithstanding the exalted position which he occupied among the heavenly host, he became dissatisfied because he was not accorded supreme honor. Hence he questioned God's purposes and impugned his justice. He bent all his powers to allure the angels from their allegiance. The fact that he was an archangel, glorious and powerful, enabled him to exert a mighty influence. His complaints against God's government, at first met with no favor; yet being urged again and again, they were finally accepted by those who had before been loyal and happy subjects of the King of Heaven. There was not the shadow of justification or excuse for disaffection; but envy and jealousy, once cherished, gained a power that paralyzed reason and destroyed honor and loyalty. As the result, Satan and all his sympathizers were cast out of Heaven.

In his rebellion, Satan showed contempt for the authority of God, and virtually trampled upon every precept of his law. He is the grand prototype of all transgressors. To indulge unbelief, ingratitude, apostasy, defiance of God, or enmity against him, is but to repeat the course which Satan pursued in Heaven. Rebellion against God is as directly due to Satanic influence as is the practice of witchcraft. Like witchcraft, it exerts a bewitching, deceptive power almost impossible to break. Those who set themselves against the government of God have entered into an alliance with the arch-apostate, and he will not lightly lose his prey. All his power and cunning will be exercised to captivate the senses and mislead the understanding of his victims. Everything appears to them in a false light. Under his bewitching spell they can, like our first parents, see only the great benefits to be received by transgression. To achieve the desired object, they will stop at no means, however great the danger to another or the sin to themselves.

No stronger evidence can be given of Satan's delusive power than that many who are thus led by him deceive themselves with the belief that they are in the service of God. The Jewish scribes and elders in the days of Christ professed great zeal for the honor of God, and yet they rejected his Son. Jesus gave them the most conclusive evidence that he was the Promised One. Upon one occasion, the Spirit witnessed so powerfully to his claims that the hearts of all who were in the synagogue responded to the gracious words that proceeded from his lips. Here was the turning-point with that company. As Christ's divinity flashed through humanity, their spiritual sight was quickened. A new power of discernment and appreciation came upon them, and the conviction was almost irresistible that Jesus was the Son of God. But Satan was at hand to arouse doubts, unbelief, and pride. They steeled their hearts against the Saviour's words. As they yielded to the control of Satan, they were fired with uncontrollable rage against Jesus. With one accord they would have taken his life, had not angels interposed for his deliverance.

The same spirit still exists in the hearts of those who set themselves to follow their own perverted judgment in opposition to the will of God. The struggle between truth and error will reveal the same pride and stubbornness, and the same unreasoning hatred against the advocates of truth, as was displayed by the unbelieving Jews.

He who could cause all the glories of earthly empires to pass before Christ in his hour of temptation, exerts a wizard-like power upon the minds of all who do not implicitly trust and obey God. It is this moral infatuation which steels their hearts against the influence of the Holy Spirit. It was this that led Korah, Dathan, and Abiram to rebel against the authority of Moses. Satan deluded them with the idea that they were opposing only a human leader, a man like themselves. But in rejecting God's chosen instrument, they rejected Christ, their invisible leader. They insulted the Spirit of God; and judgments followed close upon their sin. They were deceived by Satan, but by their own consent; because they placed themselves in his power.

Thus was it with Saul. He had the most decisive evidence that Samuel had been divinely appointed and inspired. It was in opposition to all the dictates of reason and sound judgment, that he ventured to disregard the command of God through the prophet. His fatal presumption must be attributed to this Satanic sorcery, which made him blind to the sin, and reckless of its consequences. Saul had manifested great zeal to suppress idolatry and witchcraft, decreeing that all found guilty of these practices should be punished with death. Yet the prophet shows him that in his disobedience to the divine command he had been actuated by the same spirit of opposition to God, and had been as really inspired by Satan, as though he had practiced sorcery. And, further, when reproved, he had added stubbornness to rebellion. Instead of confessing his sin, and humbly seeking pardon, he rejected reproof, and hardened his heart in transgression. He could have offered no greater insult to the Spirit of God, had he openly united with idolaters.

It is a perilous step to slight the reproofs and warnings of God's word or of his Spirit. Many, like Saul, yield to temptation until they become blind to the true character of sin. They flatter themselves that they have had some good object in view, and have done no wrong, in departing from the Lord's requirements. Thus they do despite to the Spirit of grace until its pleading voice is no longer heard, and they are left to the delusions which they have chosen.

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #76 on: Sat Dec 28, 2019 - 13:19:57 »
The link provided for your second quote Cathlodox, was no good. I found nothing like it in searching. Perhaps another link or reference to the book or article quoted would help.

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #77 on: Sun Dec 29, 2019 - 10:38:45 »
Amo,

Sacred Scripture classifies Michael as one among OTHER Chief Princes that's a PLURAL.

Daniel 10,13
...but, Lo, Michael ONE OF the chief Princes, came to help me......

Additionally the name Michael has only ONE meaning - "WHO IS LIKE GOD?"

Obviously NO ONE and NOTHING is like God expect for God.

Claiming Jesus is "LIKE GOD" is simply saying Jesus ISN'T God.

Generally, that would be enough for a "Bible Only" believer to immediately discredit and repudiate the teaching that Jesus was Michael the archangel. SDA's have a tremendous fear of taking a stand against positions taken by Ellen White. There is indeed great fear in this area as this topic illustrates.

As for the 2nd Article it comes from the Signs of the Times...
...What you're looking for is on the 2nd page.
...."HOW EVIL BEGAN".

http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/STAUS/STAUS19410908-V56-36.pdf#search=%22


Ellen White claimed to have a knowledge of God WAY PAST anyone who wrote in the Bible - & I think this is part of the problem.


Selected Messages, Vol. 1, Chapter One "The Inspiration of the Prophetic Writers
The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is NOT God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen."

That above statement is crystal clear and a strong warning (like the spread hood of a Cobra) that Ellen WAS God's Pen, she did REPRESENT God as a writer (as opposed to "the writers of the Bible) This is why Ellen, within the SDA denomination, is referred to, as, "THE PEN OF INSPIRATION".

Examples


Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 298
We MUST follow the directions given through the Spirit of Prophecy [Mrs. White's writings]. ... God has spoken to us through His Word. He has spoken to us through the Testimonies to the church and through the books that have helped to make plain our present duty and the position that we should now occupy

Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 66
If you lessen the confidence of God's people in the testimonies he has sent them, you are rebelling against God as certainly as were Korah, Dathan and Abirum


R&H Jan 26,1905
The word given me is, 'You are faithfully to reprove those who would mar the faith of the people of God. Write out the things which I shall give you, that they may stand as a witness to the truth till the end of time.' I said, 'If any of the citizens of Battle Creek wish to know what Mrs. White believes and teaches, let them read her published books. My labors would be naught should I preach another gospel. That which I have written is what the Lord has bidden me write. I have not been instructed to change that which I have sent out

Thus, IF Ellen codified that Jesus was Michael the archangel, The Father has a stomach and intestines, Christ could have sinned and lost His Salvation SDA's MUST accept all that and more as the Gospel regardless of what Scripture says. This is the quandary those who view Ellen White as a Prophet are in.

 




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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #78 on: Sun Dec 29, 2019 - 12:13:03 »
Amo,

Sacred Scripture classifies Michael as one among OTHER Chief Princes that's a PLURAL.

Daniel 10,13
...but, Lo, Michael ONE OF the chief Princes, came to help me......

Additionally the name Michael has only ONE meaning - "WHO IS LIKE GOD?"

Obviously NO ONE and NOTHING is like God expect for God.

Claiming Jesus is "LIKE GOD" is simply saying Jesus ISN'T God.

Generally, that would be enough for a "Bible Only" believer to immediately discredit and repudiate the teaching that Jesus was Michael the archangel. SDA's have a tremendous fear of taking a stand against positions taken by Ellen White. There is indeed great fear in this area as this topic illustrates.

As for the 2nd Article it comes from the Signs of the Times...
...What you're looking for is on the 2nd page.
...."HOW EVIL BEGAN".

http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/STAUS/STAUS19410908-V56-36.pdf#search=%22


Ellen White claimed to have a knowledge of God WAY PAST anyone who wrote in the Bible - & I think this is part of the problem.


Selected Messages, Vol. 1, Chapter One "The Inspiration of the Prophetic Writers
The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is NOT God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen."

That above statement is crystal clear and a strong warning (like the spread hood of a Cobra) that Ellen WAS God's Pen, she did REPRESENT God as a writer (as opposed to "the writers of the Bible) This is why Ellen, within the SDA denomination, is referred to, as, "THE PEN OF INSPIRATION".

Examples


Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 298
We MUST follow the directions given through the Spirit of Prophecy [Mrs. White's writings]. ... God has spoken to us through His Word. He has spoken to us through the Testimonies to the church and through the books that have helped to make plain our present duty and the position that we should now occupy

Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 66
If you lessen the confidence of God's people in the testimonies he has sent them, you are rebelling against God as certainly as were Korah, Dathan and Abirum


R&H Jan 26,1905
The word given me is, 'You are faithfully to reprove those who would mar the faith of the people of God. Write out the things which I shall give you, that they may stand as a witness to the truth till the end of time.' I said, 'If any of the citizens of Battle Creek wish to know what Mrs. White believes and teaches, let them read her published books. My labors would be naught should I preach another gospel. That which I have written is what the Lord has bidden me write. I have not been instructed to change that which I have sent out

Thus, IF Ellen codified that Jesus was Michael the archangel, The Father has a stomach and intestines, Christ could have sinned and lost His Salvation SDA's MUST accept all that and more as the Gospel regardless of what Scripture says. This is the quandary those who view Ellen White as a Prophet are in.


Twisted deception is, as twisted deception does. You cannot see the plain truth because you have chosen deception. You are blind to what is right in front of your face, because you are not looking for truth, but only to pridefully defend your own position. The testimony of scripture is that no one is like God, therefore to say that one is like God, is to suggest that one is God. Not the other way around as you have twisted it, according to deception.

Exo 8:10  And he said, To morrow. And he said, Be it according to thy word: that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God.

Deu 33:26  There is none like unto the God of Jeshurun, who rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.

1Sa 2:2  There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

2Sa 7:22  Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1Ki 8:23  And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:

1Ch 17:20  O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

2Ch 6:14  And said, O LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee in the heaven, nor in the earth; which keepest covenant, and shewest mercy unto thy servants, that walk before thee with all their hearts:

Psa 113:5  Who is like unto the LORD our God, who dwelleth on high,

Isa 46:9  Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Mic 7:18  Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.


The answer to the above quoted verse Mic 7:18, is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ of course. Who is like unto God because He is the Son of God. Whether He take the form of an angel to angels or humanity before His incarnation, or whether he become fully man as He did for our salvation, yet He was still fully God and therefore the only one who is literally like unto God. Therefore does Michael the archangel have a name that means like unto God. Therefore does Michael the archangel call forth the dead from their graves as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ declared that He himself would. Therefore was Michael the archangel sent to call Moses forth from the grave, and therefore did Michael tell Satan when he disputed with Him about the body of Moses, the Lord rebuke you. He was the Lord, though Satan refuses to acknowledge such, he could not prevent the Lord from raising the body of Moses.

Col 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Whatever form the Lord Jesus Christ assumes be it angel or man, that being is like unto God because it is God. It would be blaspheme to say that about any other being, who is not God.

Dan 12:1  And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jud 1:9  Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Michael is the archangel, God Himself will descend from heaven and call forth the dead with the voice of the archangel, Jesus Christ testified that the dead would hear His voice and come forth from their graves. What can be said to those who refuse that Christ is God to the angels as an angel, and was so to humanity during the old covenant as He lead His people. Whom He lead as their Prince, the Son of the only true King and God the Father. Who became a man for our salvation and is now is God to humanity as a man. Let the scriptures themselves speak.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat, 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Act 7:44  Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. 45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; 46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. 47 But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 50 Hath not my hand made all these things? 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


I will address your twisted claims regarding EGW in another post. Though such is off topic. I understand the diversionary tactics of constantly bringing her up when your position is not well defended. This tactic is used very often on these boards in such a manner. So be it.
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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #79 on: Sun Dec 29, 2019 - 17:26:43 »
Amo, you've repudiated your own position with the Scriptures you've posted.

Jesus IS God for exactly the same reason The Father & The Holy Spirit is God.

Col 2,8 is saying Jesus is God with a body.

Contrary to what Ellen White said the Father does not have intestines and a body of flesh.

An archangel is NOT God.

Lucifer is NOT God and neither is Michael the archangel.


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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #80 on: Mon Dec 30, 2019 - 03:55:44 »
Amo, you've repudiated your own position with the Scriptures you've posted.

Jesus IS God for exactly the same reason The Father & The Holy Spirit is God.

Col 2,8 is saying Jesus is God with a body.

Contrary to what Ellen White said the Father does not have intestines and a body of flesh.

An archangel is NOT God.

Lucifer is NOT God and neither is Michael the archangel.

Amen....+1 

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #81 on: Mon Dec 30, 2019 - 05:03:37 »
Who is like unto God because He is the Son of God.
Amo, I believe you are a good man (in the sense in which we use that phrase) but you need to reconsider some of your understanding of the Godhead. It is true that Jesus Christ was God manifest in human flesh~but it is not biblical to teach that God WAS Jesus Christ, because he WAS NOT. God is a Spirit, always has been, ALWAYS will be that inhabits eternity from everlasting TO everlasting, that will NEVER change. God was the Father of Jesus Christ making Jesus Christ ONE IN HIS DIVINITY with the Godhead! God is a Spirit that NO MAN hath seen, or will see! Jesus Christ is the VERY EXPRESS IMAGE of WHO God is, and when we see Jesus, then will be brought to past such verses as:
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE TRUE GOD
Matthew 5:8~Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God."
Enough for now on this point.
Quote from: Amo Reply #78 on: Yesterday at 12:13:03
Whether He take the form of an angel to angels or humanity before His incarnation, or whether he become fully man as He did for our salvation, yet He was still fully God and therefore the only one who is literally like unto God
There was NO Jesus Christ UNTIL he was conceived in the womb of a young virgin girl named Mary around two thousand years ago per the testimony of the Holy scriptures.  Those appearances of angels in the OT were just that...ANGELS.... and when they spoke or acted in doing the will of God, it was as though God himself was speaking and doing the deeds . God is a Spirit that will never be altered in any way whatsoever! Jesus Christ was the Son of God, born two thousand years ago, that can NEVER be altered of change, try to alter or change the testimony of the holy scriptures and one will at once take a step to reject the teachings of the Godhead as it is revealed to us from the very testimony of God himself!
Quote from: Amo Reply #78 on: Yesterday at 12:13:03
Therefore do Michael the archangel call forth the dead from their graves as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ declared that He himself would.
Again, whatever God uses to do his will in that day, will be as God himself is doing the act thereof! Will he use the voice of an archangel, in sounding the trumpet to call forth the dead in the graves? Yes. Will he use the angels to gather together his elect from the four winds of heaven in that day? Yes, but that does not mean that the Son of God IS Micheal for he is not, no more than he is Gabriel.
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Therefore was Michael the archangel sent to call Moses forth from the grave, and therefore did Michael tell Satan when he disputed with Him about the body of Moses, the Lord rebuke you. He was the Lord, though Satan refuses to acknowledge such, he could not prevent the Lord from raising the body of Moses.
Not sure where you are speaking about, Michael was never sent to call Moses from the grave! You're confused. The scriptures said this:
Quote from: The apostle Jude
Verse nine~"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."
It is beyond controversy that Moses was buried by the Lord, that is, that his grave was concealed according to the known purpose of God. And the reason for concealing his grave is evident to all, that is, that the Jews might not bring forth his body to promote superstition~and without question they would have. What wonder then is it, when the body of the prophet was hidden by God, Satan should attempt to make it known; and that angels, who are ever ready to serve God, should on the other hand resist him? And doubtless we see that Satan almost in all ages has been endeavoring to make the bodies of God's saints idols to foolish men.

Michael is here introduced as disputing against Satan~which we take to believe that AMONG ANGELS when created there was certain RANKS/AUTHORITY GIVEN BY GOD TO THEM.  We know that myriads of angels are ever ready to render service to God; He created them to do his business as he pleases. Michael is mention as a comparison, as they say, between the greater and the less. Michael dared not to speak more severely against Satan (though a reprobate and condemned) than to deliver him to God to be restrained and JUDGE, but those men (that Jude has and will mention) hesitated not to load with extreme reproaches the powers which God had adorned with peculiar honors. Michael the archangel refuse to speak evil of Satan, but reserve that judgment to the Lord (that is~the Lord Jesus Christ in that day:
Quote from: Paul
1st Timothy 6:15~"Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"
He will show that he IS Michael the archangel's Lord as well~and IF his Lord, then he is not Michael, but greater than Michael, or else he would have rebuke Satan, JUST AS HE DID during his days on this earth when he went into Satan's house and spoiled his goods and at times said get thee behind me Satan, for thou savourest not the things that be of God! Enough for now.
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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #82 on: Mon Dec 30, 2019 - 21:43:29 »
We've been through these points and more already on these boards over the years. We will not settle this matter here, as we never settled it in the past. We simply will not agree. This issue has been around for a long time. The suggestion that EGW or SDA's created it, is a straight up lie. The following link provides quite a bit of info concerning the many who have believed Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. The list includes "Church Fathers", Reformers, Bible dictionaries, commentaries, and such, and many individual theologians and preachers. The Lord Jesus Christ will sort this one out as He will all other issues when He returns.

http://sdamaranathachurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Michael-the-archangel-11-Messengers-of-the-LORD-the-Reformation-etc.pdf

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #83 on: Tue Dec 31, 2019 - 04:31:29 »
We've been through these points and more already on these boards over the years. We will not settle this matter here, as we never settled it in the past. We simply will not agree. This issue has been around for a long time. The suggestion that EGW or SDA's created it, is a straight up lie. The following link provides quite a bit of info concerning the many who have believed Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. The list includes "Church Fathers", Reformers, Bible dictionaries, commentaries, and such, and many individual theologians and preachers. The Lord Jesus Christ will sort this one out as He will all other issues when He returns.

http://sdamaranathachurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Michael-the-archangel-11-Messengers-of-the-LORD-the-Reformation-etc.pdf


Amo, you are correct when you said many believe this~I have never said that EGW or SDA's started this doctrine, for I know otherwise.....even in the Reformed community of believers, some believe this doctrine~which personally, I'm convinced that it all comes from believing in the eternal generation of the Son of God which is a doctrine that the RCC pronounced Anathema Maranatha upon those who rejected that doctrine~so it has been around shortly after the apostles~still it basically leads back to denying the Godhead of ONE GOD manifested in three persons only according to their respective work in the redemption of God's elect~Jesus Christ was a complex person......100% man, and 100% God , and these two persons NEVER enter acted with each other and where ever separated in his complex person~and what could be said of ONE, could NOT be said of the other. Jesus Christ was God manifest in the likeness of sinful flesh, WITHOUT SIN~But God was NOT Jesus Christ, for God is a Spirit that inhabiteth eternity~always has, always will!  Without controversy, THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, yet revealed to us  (the church) by the Spirit, and we see the great power and wisdom in this doctrine as it is revealed in the holy scriptures. We see a little of this revelation in such scriptures as:
Quote from: Paul
1st Corinthians 15:20-28~"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
The only way we can understand the Godhead is to NOT follow creeds written by men, or books written by flesh and blood, but follow the word of God which is God's testimony of TRUTH and then such mysteries will begin to become understood by those that love God's word......if we seek the truth with all of our hearts, mind, and strength, which we ALL fall short of in different degrees because of the weakness of our sinful flesh, which proves that even the best of God's children understanding is NOT PERFECT but has its flaws, sad, but true.
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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #84 on: Sat Jan 04, 2020 - 19:12:08 »
Amo, you are correct when you said many believe this~I have never said that EGW or SDA's started this doctrine, for I know otherwise.....even in the Reformed community of believers, some believe this doctrine~which personally, I'm convinced that it all comes from believing in the eternal generation of the Son of God which is a doctrine that the RCC pronounced Anathema Maranatha upon those who rejected that doctrine~so it has been around shortly after the apostles~still it basically leads back to denying the Godhead of ONE GOD manifested in three persons only according to their respective work in the redemption of God's elect[/u][/i]~Jesus Christ was a complex person.......100% man, and 100% God , and these two persons NEVER enter acted with each other and where ever separated in his complex person~and what could be said of ONE, could NOT be said of the other. Jesus Christ was God manifest in the likeness of sinful flesh, WITHOUT SIN~But God was NOT Jesus Christ, for God is a Spirit that inhabiteth eternity~always has, always will!  Without controversy, THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, yet revealed to us  (the church) by the Spirit, and we see the great power and wisdom in this doctrine as it is revealed in the holy scriptures. We see a little of this revelation in such scriptures as:  The only way we can understand the Godhead is to NOT follow creeds written by men, or books written by flesh and blood, but follow the word of God which is God's testimony of TRUTH and then such mysteries will begin to become understood by those that love God's word......if we seek the truth with all of our hearts, mind, and strength, which we ALL fall short of in different degrees because of the weakness of our sinful flesh, which proves that even the best of God's children understanding is NOT PERFECT but has its flaws, sad, but true.

Yea, I don't get to deeply into the whole trinity thing. I don't think we will ever completely understand or figure out that which scripture has not clearly or conclusively defined this side of heaven. There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Apart from scripture speaking for itself regarding them, I don't get into trying to minutely define their exact roles or positions. The word trinity is found nowhere in scripture.

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #85 on: Sun Jan 05, 2020 - 17:15:36 »
Quote from: Amo
Yea, I don't get to deeply into the whole trinity thing. I don't think we will ever completely understand or figure out that which scripture has not clearly or conclusively defined this side of heaven. There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Apart from scripture speaking for itself regarding them, I don't get into trying to minutely define their exact roles or positions. The word trinity is found nowhere in scripture.

I agree with you in that we will most likely NEVER even understand a fraction of the nature of God...
...A finite creation cannot understand an infinite Creator - it would be like asking an ant to understand.
...A modern skyscraper.

However, we can absolutely know what God is NOT by what God has revealed in the Scriptures....
...We can assuredly know God can't sin and cease to exist - we can know that for certain.
....We can thus know for certain that Ellen White taught contrary to what is revealed in the Scriptures.


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« Reply #86 on: Sat Jan 11, 2020 - 16:31:36 »
I agree with you in that we will most likely NEVER even understand a fraction of the nature of God...
...A finite creation cannot understand an infinite Creator - it would be like asking an ant to understand.
...A modern skyscraper.

However, we can absolutely know what God is NOT by what God has revealed in the Scriptures....
...We can assuredly know God can't sin and cease to exist - we can know that for certain.
....We can thus know for certain that Ellen White taught contrary to what is revealed in the Scriptures.

Yes, I know that Catholicism teaches that Jesus was not really one of us. He was not really tempted as we are, and His parents were both completely different from all the rest of us. We just don't agree with these non biblical teachings. It is not possible to be tempted as we are, if you simply cannot sin.

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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Re: Michael the Archangel “one who is God.
« Reply #87 on: Sat Jan 11, 2020 - 20:49:15 »
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Yes, I know that Catholicism teaches that Jesus was not really one of us. He was not really tempted as we are, and His parents were both completely different from all the rest of us. We just don't agree with these non biblical teachings. It is not possible to be tempted as we are, if you simply cannot sin.

Catholicism doesn't at all teach what you just asserted...
...It DOES teach that Jesus was tempted,
..."BY or OF" the Devil - just like Scripture says.

Catholicism however does NOT teach Jesus yearned or lusted for sin...
...So that it could be said that "He felt the pull" of the sin.
....& subsequently worked hard to resist His carnal urges to sin.

This type of teaching comes only out of the playbook of Ellen White (and other Arian anti-Trinitarians ).

Jesus, like us, was indeed tempted with the exception He didn't respond to the sin LIKE US. The Scriptures you posted are very clear in saying that.

A medical Doctor does not need to contract HIV and get AIDS in order to treat a person sick with the disease.

Both Old & New Testament Scripture is EXPLICIT that God would come and would succeed in Saving us...
...This leave ZERO possibility of something happening OTHER than what "God" said would happen.
...Unless of course for those folks who are in fear of the Juggernaut which is Ellen White.

Isaiah 35,4
Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

You might want to compare Isaiah 35,4 with what Jesus said when John's disciples approached Jesus and asked Him IF He was the one they had been waiting / looking for.





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« Reply #88 on: Sun Jan 12, 2020 - 10:55:18 »
Catholicism doesn't at all teach what you just asserted...
...It DOES teach that Jesus was tempted,
..."BY or OF" the Devil - just like Scripture says.

Catholicism however does NOT teach Jesus yearned or lusted for sin...
...So that it could be said that "He felt the pull" of the sin.
....& subsequently worked hard to resist His carnal urges to sin.

This type of teaching comes only out of the playbook of Ellen White (and other Arian anti-Trinitarians ).

Jesus, like us, was indeed tempted with the exception He didn't respond to the sin LIKE US. The Scriptures you posted are very clear in saying that.

A medical Doctor does not need to contract HIV and get AIDS in order to treat a person sick with the disease.

Both Old & New Testament Scripture is EXPLICIT that God would come and would succeed in Saving us...
...This leave ZERO possibility of something happening OTHER than what "God" said would happen.
...Unless of course for those folks who are in fear of the Juggernaut which is Ellen White.

Isaiah 35,4
Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

You might want to compare Isaiah 35,4 with what Jesus said when John's disciples approached Jesus and asked Him IF He was the one they had been waiting / looking for.

Of course He did not respond like us, then He would have been a sinner. Nevertheless, the idea that one who simply could not sin, could be tempted in all points as we are who have and do sin, doesn't make much sense. He was born of the seed of Abraham, and David who were both sinners. Not of angels, or of Adam before the fall, or of some women miraculously purged from all sin. None of that is scriptural. He was born of the seed of David according to the flesh.

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

He came as one of us who needed to be saved, not as one who needed no salvation. This is the mystery of Godliness. It would be no mystery if God simply came and pretended to be one of us. No but the mystery is that He actually, really, became fully man according to the seed of David and Abraham, yet without sin. This is our salvation.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus did not pretend to be one of us, He was one of us. He came to do what we could not do unto salvation. His life and teachings are salvation for all who will pick up their crosses and follow Him.