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Re: How Did The Sabbath Day Change From The 7th Day To 1st Day Of The Week?
« Reply #90 on: November 21, 2009, 10:18:32 AM »
>Now can you show me where in the bible God told us to go out of our place on the seventh dayon the sabbath day - as clearly as He  said to stay in , as above?

Lev. 23:3 where the Sabbath is called a "holy convocation."

Note the context of the command in Exod. 16: they were not to go out to get manna on the Sabbath.  That means that while they were to go to the Temple to worship and make a sacrifice* they weren't to go out seeking their own pleasure.

God, in His command above, did not limit reasons why they should stay in on the sabbath - just that they should stay in on the sabbath and it is not for us to guess His reasons.

Note that when Jersualem was being rebuilt Ezra had the gates of the city closed so that traders couldn't come in to do their trading on the Sabbath--he didn't post guards to keep everyone in their house on the Sabbath.

Ezra acted on his own discretion and not directly upon God's commands.  He has yet to see on Judgement Day whether or not his actions were right in God's eyes.


Note that when Jesus walked among us, He went to the synangogue on the Sabbath.  And on one occassion He and his disciples walked through a field of grain.  On another occasion He was at the pool of Bethseda.  Surely, if no one was to literally leave their house on the Sabbath He would have told them, just was He clarfied what the command not to commit adultery included.

Jesus' actions here can be misunderstood by almost everyone who reads the bible.  As I see it Jesus took these actions in criticism against the Jews not keeping the sabbath Day as they should.  If you note, amongst all his actions, Jesus never told the Jews directly wheher they should stay in or out of their dwellings.  But He gives a very big hint "the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.."  In other words, He meant , do not do as I do because I am God, I can do whatever I like.  But as your Father and maker, you do as I say and follow the rules of the sabbath which I created for you.   The scriptures took time to state on which day of the week Jesus and , some discples and prophets did things.  I wonder why...!




Remember, God said "seek and you will find".  He must have left something for us to seek.  What woul be the point otherwise if everything was obvious.  He  left this way deliberately to sift the  true disciples from the fake ones.  Only the true ones will not take the easy way out and SEEK the truth about the sabbath.

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Re: How Did The Sabbath Day Change From The 7th Day To 1st Day Of The Week?
« Reply #90 on: November 21, 2009, 10:18:32 AM »

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Re: How Did The Sabbath Day Change From The 7th Day To 1st Day Of The Week?
« Reply #91 on: December 23, 2009, 02:25:55 AM »
>Now can you show me where in the bible God told us to go out of our place on the seventh dayon the sabbath day - as clearly as He  said to stay in , as above?

Lev. 23:3 where the Sabbath is called a "holy convocation."

Note the context of the command in Exod. 16: they were not to go out to get manna on the Sabbath.  That means that while they were to go to the Temple to worship and make a sacrifice* they weren't to go out seeking their own pleasure.

God, in His command above, did not limit reasons why they should stay in on the sabbath - just that they should stay in on the sabbath and it is not for us to guess His reasons.

Note that when Jersualem was being rebuilt Ezra had the gates of the city closed so that traders couldn't come in to do their trading on the Sabbath--he didn't post guards to keep everyone in their house on the Sabbath.

Ezra acted on his own discretion and not directly upon God's commands.  He has yet to see on Judgement Day whether or not his actions were right in God's eyes.


Note that when Jesus walked among us, He went to the synangogue on the Sabbath.  And on one occassion He and his disciples walked through a field of grain.  On another occasion He was at the pool of Bethseda.  Surely, if no one was to literally leave their house on the Sabbath He would have told them, just was He clarfied what the command not to commit adultery included.

Jesus' actions here can be misunderstood by almost everyone who reads the bible.  As I see it Jesus took these actions in criticism against the Jews not keeping the sabbath Day as they should.  If you note, amongst all his actions, Jesus never told the Jews directly wheher they should stay in or out of their dwellings.  But He gives a very big hint "the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.."  In other words, He meant , do not do as I do because I am God, I can do whatever I like.  But as your Father and maker, you do as I say and follow the rules of the sabbath which I created for you.   The scriptures took time to state on which day of the week Jesus and , some discples and prophets did things.  I wonder why...!




Remember, God said "seek and you will find".  He must have left something for us to seek.  What woul be the point otherwise if everything was obvious.  He  left this way deliberately to sift the  true disciples from the fake ones.  Only the true ones will not take the easy way out and SEEK the truth about the sabbath.

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The days are mentioned to establish a time-line of events.   Since you've brought it up, if God had intended to change the Sabbath to Sunday why would he not come out and say it.   Why didn't Jesus mention it at all?  So Jesus hid the truth about Sunday.  I must admit I've never heard that before.  This is the God that stuck people dead for not listening to him, the God that destroyed cities, leveled nations, cast angels from heaven.  Could it be the Sunday argument is not obvious and in plane sight because it's not actually in the bible?  Why do the Catholics claim they changed it by their authority?  It's written in their, publicly available, historical manuscripts.

We can be at risk of focusing too much on the Sabbath and losing sight of the other commandments they are all important.  To say the commandments are abolished just so I don't have to keep the fourth one, means it's OK to commit adultery now?  How about idols?  Under grace alone am I OK using the Lords name in vain?   Something else to think about, why did God write the 10 commandments in stone?  God is not arbitrary.   

There are basically three arguments here.  1) the 10 commandments are still valid for today.  2) the ten commandments are abolished and we can now do as we please as we are covered by grace.  3) the commandments are valid God expects us to keep them, but the Sabbath is now Sunday.  Take each of these views and hold them up to the scriptures and only the scriptures.   Try not to take in account what others have told you the it should be.  Try not to think about what you want it to be.  Try not to think about what might be easiest.  Put all those things aside and pray the Lord to show you.  Then with an open heart go check it out for yourself.


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Re: How Did The Sabbath Day Change From The 7th Day To 1st Day Of The Week?
« Reply #91 on: December 23, 2009, 02:25:55 AM »

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Re: How Did The Sabbath Day Change From The 7th Day To 1st Day Of The Week?
« Reply #92 on: December 26, 2009, 09:24:03 AM »
>Now can you show me where in the bible God told us to go out of our place on the seventh dayon the sabbath day - as clearly as He  said to stay in , as above?

Lev. 23:3 where the Sabbath is called a "holy convocation."

Note the context of the command in Exod. 16: they were not to go out to get manna on the Sabbath.  That means that while they were to go to the Temple to worship and make a sacrifice* they weren't to go out seeking their own pleasure.

God, in His command above, did not limit reasons why they should stay in on the sabbath - just that they should stay in on the sabbath and it is not for us to guess His reasons.

Note that when Jersualem was being rebuilt Ezra had the gates of the city closed so that traders couldn't come in to do their trading on the Sabbath--he didn't post guards to keep everyone in their house on the Sabbath.

Ezra acted on his own discretion and not directly upon God's commands.  He has yet to see on Judgement Day whether or not his actions were right in God's eyes.

Note that when Jesus walked among us, He went to the synangogue on the Sabbath.  And on one occassion He and his disciples walked through a field of grain.  On another occasion He was at the pool of Bethseda.  Surely, if no one was to literally leave their house on the Sabbath He would have told them, just was He clarfied what the command not to commit adultery included.

Jesus' actions here can be misunderstood by almost everyone who reads the bible.  As I see it Jesus took these actions in criticism against the Jews not keeping the sabbath Day as they should.  If you note, amongst all his actions, Jesus never told the Jews directly wheher they should stay in or out of their dwellings.  But He gives a very big hint "the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.."  In other words, He meant , do not do as I do because I am God, I can do whatever I like.  But as your Father and maker, you do as I say and follow the rules of the sabbath which I created for you.   The scriptures took time to state on which day of the week Jesus and , some discples and prophets did things.  I wonder why...!

Remember, God said "seek and you will find".  He must have left something for us to seek.  What woul be the point otherwise if everything was obvious.  He  left this way deliberately to sift the  true disciples from the fake ones.  Only the true ones will not take the easy way out and SEEK the truth about the sabbath.

Lifesaver ::prayinghard::
The days are mentioned to establish a time-line of events.   Since you've brought it up, if God had intended to change the Sabbath to Sunday why would he not come out and say it.   Why didn't Jesus mention it at all?  So Jesus hid the truth about Sunday.  I must admit I've never heard that before.  This is the God that stuck people dead for not listening to him, the God that destroyed cities, leveled nations, cast angels from heaven.  Could it be the Sunday argument is not obvious and in plane sight because it's not actually in the bible?  Why do the Catholics claim they changed it by their authority?  It's written in their, publicly available, historical manuscripts.

We can be at risk of focusing too much on the Sabbath and losing sight of the other commandments they are all important.  To say the commandments are abolished just so I don't have to keep the fourth one, means it's OK to commit adultery now?  How about idols?  Under grace alone am I OK using the Lords name in vain?   Something else to think about, why did God write the 10 commandments in stone?  God is not arbitrary.   

There are basically three arguments here.  1) the 10 commandments are still valid for today.  2) the ten commandments are abolished and we can now do as we please as we are covered by grace.  3) the commandments are valid God expects us to keep them, but the Sabbath is now Sunday.  Take each of these views and hold them up to the scriptures and only the scriptures.   Try not to take in account what others have told you the it should be.  Try not to think about what you want it to be.  Try not to think about what might be easiest.  Put all those things aside and pray the Lord to show you.  Then with an open heart go check it out for yourself.

Alan-Lj  -  I think I am misunderstood here.

I am making it quite clear that I do not support Sunday sabbath.  I believe the sabbath should be kept on Saturday, the seventh day of the week (from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday).  In addition, that sabbath keepers should stay inside their dwellings on the sabbth day and this what my post above was about.  I believe all the ten commandments sould be kept, not just some of them.

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