Part of the Law not profitable, given as a hindrance?

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

I'm a bit disturbed by what I see in this forum to be a trend towards keeping the whole of the law. 

The (Jewish) idea that the entirety of the law was pre-existent with God and somehow known to all the anti-diluvian patriarchs has been promulgated on numerous occasions here.

So, hopefully without touching the day of worship issue, I offer exerpts from Ezekiel showing that not ALL of the law is profitable, and that part of it was "added because of transgressions."

Eze 20:18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God. 
...
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Golly, people are lining up to stay away from this thread.

[Bocephus]

Golly, people are lining up to stay away from this thread.

I don't have anything to add.

[davidandme]

I'm a bit disturbed by what I see in this forum to be a trend towards keeping the whole of the law. 

The (Jewish) idea that the entirety of the law was pre-existent with God and somehow known to all the anti-diluvian patriarchs has been promulgated on numerous occasions here.

So, hopefully without touching the day of worship issue, I offer exerpts from Ezekiel showing that not ALL of the law is profitable, and that part of it was "added because of transgressions."

Eze 20:18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God. 
...
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Gal 3:19  Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
 

This passage and Paul’s whole line of reasoning from here onward through v. 25 have sometimes been mistakenly interpreted to mean that all the divinely revealed codes of laws in the OT ended with Calvary. Growing out of this interpretation is the view that in the pre-Christian era men were saved by the keeping of the law, and in the Christian Era by grace through faith. But such a view is contrary to the whole body of Scripture. God has had only one means of saving man, from Adam onward; that is, by faith in the sacrifice of our Lord. The good news of that salvation has been proclaimed to man in all ages (see Heb. 4:2). Paul has elsewhere emphatically repudiated the idea that he felt some might hastily and mistakenly draw from his writings, that grace and the gospel abolished law: “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid” (Rom. 3:31).

[Amo]

I'm a bit disturbed by what I see in this forum to be a trend towards keeping the whole of the law. 

The (Jewish) idea that the entirety of the law was pre-existent with God and somehow known to all the anti-diluvian patriarchs has been promulgated on numerous occasions here.

So, hopefully without touching the day of worship issue, I offer exerpts from Ezekiel showing that not ALL of the law is profitable, and that part of it was "added because of transgressions."

Eze 20:18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God. 
...
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying here.  I do know that there were definitely laws added because of transgression.  All old covenant laws regarding sacrifices and offerings and the temple services were added because of transgression.  Without transgression of the law, there would never have been any need for them.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

[davidandme]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

The distinction between the moral Laws  (Ten Commandments) and the ceremonial laws are crucial.  The moral laws are the character of God in this sinful world.  The ceremonial laws pointed to the Messiah and it also had curses on them if they were not obeyed.  This is why Paul writes in Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

[Amo]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

God Himself made the distinction.  He wrote the ten with His own finger, and spoke them with His own mouth.  Then He came to earth as a man, as one of us, and literally showed us how to keep them.  We cannot go wrong by following His example. 

The New Testament itself addresses many of the changes which took place regarding the laws of Israel written by the hand of man.  Paul addresses many of these issues, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction "(2Pet. 3:16).  The book of Hebrews shows us that the laws in relation temple and it's services has definitely changed being replaced by the perfect sacrifice, and priesthood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  These things are clearly pointed out in the New Testament.  They are only twisted and confused by those who wish to reject just one of the ten commandments.

[jiggyfly]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

God Himself made the distinction.  He wrote the ten with His own finger, and spoke them with His own mouth.  Then He came to earth as a man, as one of us, and literally showed us how to keep them.  We cannot go wrong by following His example. 

The New Testament itself addresses many of the changes which took place regarding the laws of Israel written by the hand of man.  Paul addresses many of these issues, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction "(2Pet. 3:16).  The book of Hebrews shows us that the laws in relation temple and it's services has definitely changed being replaced by the perfect sacrifice, and priesthood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  These things are clearly pointed out in the New Testament.  They are only twisted and confused by those who wish to reject just one of the ten commandments.

2Corithians 3:7-11
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.

[davidandme]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

God Himself made the distinction.  He wrote the ten with His own finger, and spoke them with His own mouth.  Then He came to earth as a man, as one of us, and literally showed us how to keep them.  We cannot go wrong by following His example. 

The New Testament itself addresses many of the changes which took place regarding the laws of Israel written by the hand of man.  Paul addresses many of these issues, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction "(2Pet. 3:16).  The book of Hebrews shows us that the laws in relation temple and it's services has definitely changed being replaced by the perfect sacrifice, and priesthood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  These things are clearly pointed out in the New Testament.  They are only twisted and confused by those who wish to reject just one of the ten commandments.

2Corithians 3:7-11
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.

Some superficial readers have concluded from this statement that the law of God “was to be done away.” The verse clearly states, however, that it was the passing “glory” reflected in the face of Moses that “was to be done away.” That “glory” faded in a few hours, or days, at most, but the law of God, “written and engraven in stones,” remained in effect. It was the ministry of Moses and the Jewish system that was to pass away, not the law of God

[jiggyfly]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

God Himself made the distinction.  He wrote the ten with His own finger, and spoke them with His own mouth.  Then He came to earth as a man, as one of us, and literally showed us how to keep them.  We cannot go wrong by following His example. 

The New Testament itself addresses many of the changes which took place regarding the laws of Israel written by the hand of man.  Paul addresses many of these issues, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction "(2Pet. 3:16).  The book of Hebrews shows us that the laws in relation temple and it's services has definitely changed being replaced by the perfect sacrifice, and priesthood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  These things are clearly pointed out in the New Testament.  They are only twisted and confused by those who wish to reject just one of the ten commandments.

2Corithians 3:7-11
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.

Some superficial readers have concluded from this statement that the law of God “was to be done away.” The verse clearly states, however, that it was the passing “glory” reflected in the face of Moses that “was to be done away.” That “glory” faded in a few hours, or days, at most, but the law of God, “written and engraven in stones,” remained in effect. It was the ministry of Moses and the Jewish system that was to pass away, not the law of God

Other superficial readers say it is not addressing the law at all but it also clearly places the law (including the part engraved in stone) into the old covenant.

[davidandme]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

God Himself made the distinction.  He wrote the ten with His own finger, and spoke them with His own mouth.  Then He came to earth as a man, as one of us, and literally showed us how to keep them.  We cannot go wrong by following His example. 

The New Testament itself addresses many of the changes which took place regarding the laws of Israel written by the hand of man.  Paul addresses many of these issues, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction "(2Pet. 3:16).  The book of Hebrews shows us that the laws in relation temple and it's services has definitely changed being replaced by the perfect sacrifice, and priesthood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  These things are clearly pointed out in the New Testament.  They are only twisted and confused by those who wish to reject just one of the ten commandments.

2Corithians 3:7-11
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.

Some superficial readers have concluded from this statement that the law of God “was to be done away.” The verse clearly states, however, that it was the passing “glory” reflected in the face of Moses that “was to be done away.” That “glory” faded in a few hours, or days, at most, but the law of God, “written and engraven in stones,” remained in effect. It was the ministry of Moses and the Jewish system that was to pass away, not the law of God

Other superficial readers say it is not addressing the law at all but it also clearly places the law (including the part engraved in stone) into the old covenant.

The Ten commandments existed before any Covenant was made.  The Bible says that the devil sinned from the beginning and it also says that Adam and Eve sinned.  Joseph did not commit adultery with his master's wife.  For a definition of sin please read 1 John 2:3 and Rom 7:7  the Israelites did not received any Manna on the Sabbath before any covenant was made.

[Bocephus]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

God Himself made the distinction.  He wrote the ten with His own finger, and spoke them with His own mouth.  Then He came to earth as a man, as one of us, and literally showed us how to keep them.  We cannot go wrong by following His example. 

The New Testament itself addresses many of the changes which took place regarding the laws of Israel written by the hand of man.  Paul addresses many of these issues, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction "(2Pet. 3:16).  The book of Hebrews shows us that the laws in relation temple and it's services has definitely changed being replaced by the perfect sacrifice, and priesthood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  These things are clearly pointed out in the New Testament.  They are only twisted and confused by those who wish to reject just one of the ten commandments.

2Corithians 3:7-11
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.

Some superficial readers have concluded from this statement that the law of God “was to be done away.” The verse clearly states, however, that it was the passing “glory” reflected in the face of Moses that “was to be done away.” That “glory” faded in a few hours, or days, at most, but the law of God, “written and engraven in stones,” remained in effect. It was the ministry of Moses and the Jewish system that was to pass away, not the law of God

Other superficial readers say it is not addressing the law at all but it also clearly places the law (including the part engraved in stone) into the old covenant.

The Ten commandments existed before any Covenant was made.  The Bible says that the devil sinned from the beginning and it also says that Adam and Eve sinned.  Joseph did not commit adultery with his master's wife.  For a definition of sin please read 1 John 2:3 and Rom 7:7  the Israelites did not received any Manna on the Sabbath before any covenant was made.

Sin existing does not equal the existence of The Ten Commandments.

[davidandme]

So, Amo,

Where do you draw the distinction?  Is it just the 10 commandments you want, or are you going to keep the judgments that God gave them directly afterwards as well?  Or are you going to keep the whole book of Exodus and throw out Leviticus and Numbers?  How will you split up Deuteronomy?

How much of the law do you want?

God Himself made the distinction.  He wrote the ten with His own finger, and spoke them with His own mouth.  Then He came to earth as a man, as one of us, and literally showed us how to keep them.  We cannot go wrong by following His example. 

The New Testament itself addresses many of the changes which took place regarding the laws of Israel written by the hand of man.  Paul addresses many of these issues, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction "(2Pet. 3:16).  The book of Hebrews shows us that the laws in relation temple and it's services has definitely changed being replaced by the perfect sacrifice, and priesthood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  These things are clearly pointed out in the New Testament.  They are only twisted and confused by those who wish to reject just one of the ten commandments.

2Corithians 3:7-11
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8Shouldn't we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.

Some superficial readers have concluded from this statement that the law of God “was to be done away.” The verse clearly states, however, that it was the passing “glory” reflected in the face of Moses that “was to be done away.” That “glory” faded in a few hours, or days, at most, but the law of God, “written and engraven in stones,” remained in effect. It was the ministry of Moses and the Jewish system that was to pass away, not the law of God

Other superficial readers say it is not addressing the law at all but it also clearly places the law (including the part engraved in stone) into the old covenant.

The Ten commandments existed before any Covenant was made.  The Bible says that the devil sinned from the beginning and it also says that Adam and Eve sinned.  Joseph did not commit adultery with his master's wife.  For a definition of sin please read 1 John 2:3 and Rom 7:7  the Israelites did not received any Manna on the Sabbath before any covenant was made.

Sin existing does not equal the existence of The Ten Commandments.

How can anybody sin without a definition of it?  The Bible says that by the Law there is knowlege of sin.  Nature has its laws and nature is a creation of God.  Wouldn't you think that God has His laws too?  Rom 7:12 says  Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just.   Isn't this the description of God also?

[Tantor]

Because within the context of a Christian life, sin is only the rebellion against the Holy Spirit's leading within us.  The more we live by the book the less the Holy Spirit can lead your life.  Do you believe the written page or the living God?