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Offline robert two

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PAUL'S THORN IN THE FLESH.
« on: January 17, 2011, 02:49:46 PM »
 JOHN 14:17 is the key here.
What was it that PAUL was concerned about ?
Come on his Hebrew name was SAUL. He had dual citizenship as a Roman. in Latin he was PAUL.

You have enough information here to know what concerned PAUL.

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2011, 03:21:23 PM »
I'll bite and just observe for a bit.   ::eatingpopcorn:

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2011, 04:01:17 PM »
I'll bite and just observe for a bit.   ::eatingpopcorn:
A wise move.

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2011, 04:57:53 PM »
Saul was a most Powerful Man very influential and Learned also None were More Zealous for Almighty God His path was very certain to him Because he was Righteous and respected by the Learned Priests in the former days and from the Time of his enlightenment on the Road to Damascus Paul Knew that his Zeal had Made him a Murderer of His own Brethren and His tears would not suffice his great Pains and thus his repentance was a living one of great remorse, a Failing eye sight was an acceptable thing in Comparison.

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 10:37:22 AM »
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2 Cor. 12:7-10)

One has to examine what Paul said carefully in order to deduce what it might have been. First let us examine what we know about it.

1. It is the messenger of satan sent to buffet him.
2. It was something that could have been removed.
3. It was something that the Lord could have removed, but did not.
4. God assured Paul that he could surrvice it.
5. It seems that Paul was restrained in some way by it.
6. It brought about reproach, necessities, persecution and distress and made him weak.

This indeed is a very heavy load.

Let us now look at what we know about Paul.

1. He was a member of the Sanhedrin.
2. In order to be a member of the Sanhedrin one had to have a wife.
3. We have no other reference in the Bible that he had a wife.
4. We have many examples in the Bible where satan used wives to get to their men.
5. satans plan seems to use woman to get to man to get to God.

I could go on. I cannot prove anything, but when it comes to 'more likely than not' it seems to me that it 'could' have been his wife.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 03:54:01 PM »

Dear Michigan Seeker, these are just my thoughts on this. To me the word "Infirmities" below is a key to understanding the context. I believe Paul had an ailment of his eyes; possibly a detestable appearing illness since he also mentions others not despising it, and that it was a trial in the flesh.

Galatians 6:11  Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.
 
Strong's distinguishes this word "large" as (denoting geometrical magnitude as distinguished from arithmetical). In other word, look at the size of the font I have used to write this letter in modern vernacular instead of the length of the letter. 

2 Cor 12:8. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. Paul prayed three times to have the Lord remove the thorn in the flesh given to him. The thorn was probably an ailment of Paul’s eyes according to (Gal 4:14-15).  And my trial which was in my flesh you did not despise or reject, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Jesus Christ. What then was the blessing you enjoyed? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me.

2 Corinthians 12:9  And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

God bless you in Jesus' name.

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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2011, 11:39:12 PM »
Saul was a most Powerful Man very influential and Learned also None were More Zealous for Almighty God His path was very certain to him Because he was Righteous and respected by the Learned Priests in the former days and from the Time of his enlightenment on the Road to Damascus Paul Knew that his Zeal had Made him a Murderer of His own Brethren and His tears would not suffice his great Pains and thus his repentance was a living one of great remorse, a Failing eye sight was an acceptable thing in Comparison.

Hi saul
It is highly doubtful that Saul was a true "murderer" in the physical sense of the word although it may have been in the heart of the one Saul before his conversion to Paul. Everything would have been done by him according to the strictest observance of the law. Stephen was hailed, baptized, conducted away by devout men, mourned over, and his name was changed to "Stephanas" just like Saul had his name changed to Paul. And although Saul may have meant it for evil, (but more likely the intent was strict observance of "the law of the land") YHWH oversaw the events surrounding Saul and Stephen for the good of both Paul and "the household of Stephanas".
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