Responding to "Facts SDA's Won't Tell You"

[Bocephus]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear.  

[Fem2009]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear.  

NOT ALL SDA CHURCH'S. CERTAINLY NOT THE ONE I ATTENDED FOR 14 YRS.

[Bocephus]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear. 

NOT ALL SDA CHURCH'S. CERTAINLY NOT THE ONE I ATTENDED FOR 14 YRS.

Which is why I said this in a previous post:

"The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much."

[davidandme]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear. 

You are probably missunderstanding this statement.

[current occupant]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear. 

You are probably missunderstanding this statement.

Please give us the official understanding of this statement.

[current occupant]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear.  

NOT ALL SDA CHURCH'S. CERTAINLY NOT THE ONE I ATTENDED FOR 14 YRS.

hi Fem2009

How extensively have you read from her writings and studied her ministry?

How do you know that Ellen White was of no importance in the SDA church you attended for 14 years?

Do you still attend any SDA church? 

What level of importance is placed on her writings and ministry at other SDA churches you have attended?

[davidandme]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear. 

You are probably missunderstanding this statement.

Please give us the official understanding of this statement.

The role of Mrs. White in the SDA church went  far beyond doctrine.  She council ed the church in many aspects including how to run schools, hospitals, she also gave very important health messages.  When it came to doctrines she did not write any thing new.  She did instruct the church with new understanding about many things, but doctrine was not part of it.

[current occupant]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear. 

You are probably missunderstanding this statement.

Please give us the official understanding of this statement.

The role of Mrs. White in the SDA church went  far beyond doctrine.  She council ed the church in many aspects including how to run schools, hospitals, she also gave very important health messages.  When it came to doctrines she did not write any thing new.  She did instruct the church with new understanding about many things, but doctrine was not part of it.

Is your answer above the official understanding of the ministry of Ellen White and the real meaning of FB#18?

I don’t see where anyone has limited the influence of Ellen White’s ‘continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to your apparent definition of doctrine.

All you have done is restate the FB#18 in your own words with some spurious examples in an attempt to create the false impression of having different levels of inspiration held for her writings.

So if the new understanding of ‘many things’ you refer to did not include things like Sabbath observance, Investigative Judgment, health etc. what do you mean by doctrine?

By stating ‘I saw’ in reference to the halo around the 4th commandment, did she not instruct a new understanding from their previous practice of Sunday gatherings, to the White Party that remained loyal to James and Her from the followers of William Miller?  (For a balanced view of the early history of the SDA church,  Google 'sabbath Adventists white party'.)

All of Ellen White’s writings and ministry are officially viewed as having Canonical authority for doctrinal interpretation.

With SDA’s, it is all doctrinal.  Ellen White's ministry is a doctrine so she, personally becomes a doctrine.

We have seen where SDA’s on this board and elsewhere have been unable to produce even one instance where Ellen has been found, by the SDA church, to be wrong.  The General Conference world assembly, held every 5 years – last in 2005- has, in their last three convocations, passed resolutions affirming the denominations promoted appreciation of  and dependence on this manifestation.  Never, in any proceedings, will you find any criticism- even from the earliest days of the church, in any official pronouncement.  Highly placed individual leaders who dare to question the veracity of any aspect of Ellen’s ministry are quietly (or not so quietly) faded from view.

The claim is often made that you do not have to believe in Ellen’s ministry to be accepted as an SDA member.  This is a specious statement.  Ellen’s ministry is a Fundamental belief and if you do not visibly accept her ministry you will not be allowed to take the first step up the organizational ladder as a local church officer.  Keeping your doubts private will allow a passable participation in the activities of the church but public questioning within the SDA culture, of any of the doctrines, will produce a multitude of Ellen quotes in first preference to Bible references and a spiritual ostracism.

[davidandme]

I will allow the site to speak for itself.

Here's another good one:

"We Studied Our Way Out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church"

All churches can be accused of misguiding followers at one point in time or another. I grew up SDA and was never taught about Ms. White. She was of no importance in my church. Seventh Day Adventist church is not the cult you try to make it seem. Old man:

"Nothing can be more dangerous than seeking the approval of those you may want to consider as peers, over the approval of God through the truths of His word."

Amen

The church you were a part of growing up must not have valued #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs very much.

Your so concerned with SDA beliefs. However you're making statements with bothering to post the facts. I did you a favor and am posting #18 of the 28 fundamental beliefs.

"18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Like I stated. She was of no importance in my church. You argue that Seventh Day Adventists all teach about Ms. White. I am correcting you when I state that she was of no importance to my church. Not ALL SDA's hold her in the esteem you are accusing them of. Shall I reiterate one more time?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What is bolded and underlined is clear. 

You are probably missunderstanding this statement.

Please give us the official understanding of this statement.

The role of Mrs. White in the SDA church went  far beyond doctrine.  She council ed the church in many aspects including how to run schools, hospitals, she also gave very important health messages.  When it came to doctrines she did not write any thing new.  She did instruct the church with new understanding about many things, but doctrine was not part of it.

Is your answer above the official understanding of the ministry of Ellen White and the real meaning of FB#18?

I don’t see where anyone has limited the influence of Ellen White’s ‘continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to your apparent definition of doctrine.

All you have done is restate the FB#18 in your own words with some spurious examples in an attempt to create the false impression of having different levels of inspiration held for her writings.

So if the new understanding of ‘many things’ you refer to did not include things like Sabbath observance, Investigative Judgment, health etc. what do you mean by doctrine?

By stating ‘I saw’ in reference to the halo around the 4th commandment, did she not instruct a new understanding from their previous practice of Sunday gatherings, to the White Party that remained loyal to James and Her from the followers of William Miller?  (For a balanced view of the early history of the SDA church,  Google 'sabbath Adventists white party'.)

All of Ellen White’s writings and ministry are officially viewed as having Canonical authority for doctrinal interpretation.

With SDA’s, it is all doctrinal.  Ellen White's ministry is a doctrine so she, personally becomes a doctrine.

We have seen where SDA’s on this board and elsewhere have been unable to produce even one instance where Ellen has been found, by the SDA church, to be wrong.  The General Conference world assembly, held every 5 years – last in 2005- has, in their last three convocations, passed resolutions affirming the denominations promoted appreciation of  and dependence on this manifestation.  Never, in any proceedings, will you find any criticism- even from the earliest days of the church, in any official pronouncement.  Highly placed individual leaders who dare to question the veracity of any aspect of Ellen’s ministry are quietly (or not so quietly) faded from view.

The claim is often made that you do not have to believe in Ellen’s ministry to be accepted as an SDA member.  This is a specious statement.  Ellen’s ministry is a Fundamental belief and if you do not visibly accept her ministry you will not be allowed to take the first step up the organizational ladder as a local church officer.  Keeping your doubts private will allow a passable participation in the activities of the church but public questioning within the SDA culture, of any of the doctrines, will produce a multitude of Ellen quotes in first preference to Bible references and a spiritual ostracism.

You are trying to imply that SDA develop doctrines like the Sabbath and so on because of Mrs. White.  You are giving her to much power.  It is true that Mrs White endorsed these doctrines but these doctrines did not begin with her.  You also mention that the general conference has never change its position on Mrs. White.  Nothing is further from the truth.  You simply do not know SDA history.  Will the general conference contradict something that Mrs. White wrote?. The answer is: yes and it will  do it again.  Maybe not the way that you would like it, but it will.  In my opinion you are focusing to much on Mrs. White.  The SDA church is much more than her. Jesus is coming again! That's the most important message of the SDA church.  God bless.

[Fem2009]

The claim is often made that you do not have to believe in Ellen’s ministry to be accepted as an SDA member.  This is a specious statement.  Ellen’s ministry is a Fundamental belief and if you do not visibly accept her ministry you will not be allowed to take the first step up the organizational ladder as a local church officer.  Keeping your doubts private will allow a passable participation in the activities of the church but public questioning within the SDA culture, of any of the doctrines, will produce a multitude of Ellen quotes in first preference to Bible references and a spiritual ostracism.

This is not the truth. Why is it so important to you that you twist the truth to support your hate of SDA churches?
What has been YOUR experience with an SDA church? I have already stated mine in this thread.

[Fem2009]

I don't believe in the 28point sda doctrine,

I don't necessarily see any fault in the 28points of doctrine.

S-K,

With all due respect, you are very confused.  You're now even contradicting yourself in consecutive posts.  I think a big part of this is that you "like" the folks at the SDA church.  But, you need to remember that people can be very likeable, yet be very wrong on certain doctrines.  If you have concerns about what the SDAs are teaching, then you need to pay attention to those concerns, and I would advise taking a break from them... which means to not even attend their midweek prayer meeting.  It's putting you into a spiritual crisis, since you are being subtly influenced by them.  I suggest you take a break from them, study your Bible, and be discerning.

I'm sorry, are you blaming all SDA's for this man's lack of faith? Sure sounds like it.

[Fem2009]

I do know for a fact that many SDA apologetics websites post quotes by Martin Luther, Alexander Campbell, Amos Binney and other great Christian leaders of history that seem to make them out to be supporters of Sabbath observance, however what they've done is selectively cut and paste these quotations to make them seem to be saying something they're not saying. Last year I examined in detail the way these sites typically misquote Alexander Campbell and Methodist Rev. Amos Binney. I'd like for one SDA site to be upfront and honest and say, "You know, you're right. These men didn't advocate Saturday Sabbath observance. We've misrepresented them."

Pax.

If they can do that with those people, then I would say they could definitely do the same with the Bible...

They? Whose they? Didn't know you knew what transpired in every single SDA church. That's a great talent.

[Sabbath-Keeper]

I don't believe in the 28point sda doctrine,

I don't necessarily see any fault in the 28points of doctrine.

S-K,

With all due respect, you are very confused.  You're now even contradicting yourself in consecutive posts.  I think a big part of this is that you "like" the folks at the SDA church.  But, you need to remember that people can be very likeable, yet be very wrong on certain doctrines.  If you have concerns about what the SDAs are teaching, then you need to pay attention to those concerns, and I would advise taking a break from them... which means to not even attend their midweek prayer meeting.  It's putting you into a spiritual crisis, since you are being subtly influenced by them.  I suggest you take a break from them, study your Bible, and be discerning.

I'm sorry, are you blaming all SDA's for this man's lack of faith? Sure sounds like it.

Lack of faith, who, not me!!!
I have nothing against the sda's or their doctrine.
I myself do NOT go to any sda church, but I will not talk bad about them, why? Because they have confessed with their own mouths the Lord Jesus--Romans 10:9-10, The sda's are our brothers and sisters in the Lord.
Even though I don't attend their meetings, I still love them to bits.
And also, to put the record straight, I am NOT confused!!!
Currently I am in the progress of starting a new Christian Church on the Seventh-day Sabbath.
It is the: AOG Sabbath-keeping Church.
Currently I am going to an AOG Bible college part-time as well as starting up this Church.

[Fem2009]

I don't believe in the 28point sda doctrine,

I don't necessarily see any fault in the 28points of doctrine.

S-K,

With all due respect, you are very confused.  You're now even contradicting yourself in consecutive posts.  I think a big part of this is that you "like" the folks at the SDA church.  But, you need to remember that people can be very likeable, yet be very wrong on certain doctrines.  If you have concerns about what the SDAs are teaching, then you need to pay attention to those concerns, and I would advise taking a break from them... which means to not even attend their midweek prayer meeting.  It's putting you into a spiritual crisis, since you are being subtly influenced by them.  I suggest you take a break from them, study your Bible, and be discerning.

I'm sorry, are you blaming all SDA's for this man's lack of faith? Sure sounds like it.

Lack of faith, who, not me!!!
I have nothing against the sda's or their doctrine.
I myself do NOT go to any sda church, but I will not talk bad about them, why? Because they have confessed with their own mouths the Lord Jesus--Romans 10:9-10, The sda's are our brothers and sisters in the Lord.
Even though I don't attend their meetings, I still love them to bits.
And also, to put the record straight, I am NOT confused!!!
Currently I am in the progress of starting a new Christian Church on the Seventh-day Sabbath.
It is the: AOG Sabbath-keeping Church.
Currently I am going to an AOG Bible college part-time as well as starting up this Church.

Best wishes to you. God Bless

[djconklin]

>Currently I am in the progress of starting a new Christian Church on the Seventh-day Sabbath.

I am always interested in the fact that some non-denominational churches have discovered the truth about the Sabbath--and then, they discovered the SDA church!