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Romeward Bound
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While the following is addressed most specifically to the SDA church, the subject matter has, does, and will effect all.

ROMEWARD BOUND


Chapter 1

Less to Say

(The emphasis in all proceeding quotes or articles are mine, my comments are in blue.)

There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God. Especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the papacy, but we should call attention to what the prophets and the apostles have written under the inspiration of the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in the giving of the prophecy, and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted.(TESTIMONY TO MINISTERS AND GOSPEL WORKERS, pg., 112)

After hearing the above statement quoted from Mrs. White by an SDA pastor with the intent of suggesting a smaller roll for the papacy in the present and future fulfillment of biblical prophecy, I decided to look a little further into the matter. The idea seemed somewhat contradictory in relation to many other conclusive statements made by her. The following is an examination of her writings concerning the same, and also an examination of the papacy during the last two centuries or so, regarding the truth or not of the above mentioned suggestion.

The first step of examining this issue should of course be that of finding the quote in its original source and therefore context. The statement is found in a letter written by Mrs. White to Dr. Kellog in 1896. Let’s take a look at it, and draw some conclusions.


MR No. 1232—Health Teachings Not To Replace The Third Angel’s Message

(Written May 27, 1896, From Cooranbong, N.S.W., to Dr. J. H. Kellogg.)

I have been much perplexed in regard to some matters that have been presented before me concerning the condition of things in some of our institutions. I sent you a copy of letters sent to Elder Olsen. I have been shown that you also are in danger of making serious mistakes. You feel a deep interest in the circulation of the health publications, and this is right; but that special branch is not to be made all-absorbing. The health reform is as closely related to the third angel’s message as the arm to the body; but the arm cannot take the place of the body. The proclamation of the third angel’s message, the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus, is the burden of our work. The message is to be proclaimed with a loud cry and is to go to the whole world. The presentation of health principles must be united with this message, but must not be independent of it or in any way take the place of it.

I was shown that the strong presentation of the health line of work is causing it to absorb more attention than should be given to any one branch. There must be a well-balanced, symmetrical development of the work in all its parts. You, my brother, should not press workers to handle the health books as the Bible Readings was handled. Matters are now taking that phase. The glowing impressions given to the canvassers in regard to this one branch result in excluding from the field other works that must come before the people. You know I would have the health books occupy their proper place, but they are only one of many lines in the great work to be done.

Canvassers should not be taught that one book or one class of books is to occupy the field to the neglect of all others. Among the workers are always some who can be swayed in almost any direction. Those who have charge of the canvassing work should be men of well-balanced minds, who can discern the relation of each part of the work to the great whole. Let them give due attention to the circulation of health books, but not make this line so prominent as to draw men away from other lines of vital interest. It is my prayer that you may not move unadvisedly in this matter and exercise an influence that shall lead men to dishonor God by neglecting the very things essential to come before the people at this time. My brother, you are in danger of self-exaltation; I caution you to walk humbly with God. Seek wisdom from Him, that you may be guided in safe paths.

There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God. Especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the papacy, but we should call attention to what the prophets and the apostles have written under the inspiration of the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in the giving of the prophecy, and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted.

Read the book of Daniel. Call up, point by point, the history of the kingdoms there represented. Behold statesmen, councils, powerful armies, and see how God wrought to abase the pride of men, and lay human glory in the dust. God alone is represented as great. In the vision of the prophet He is seen casting down one mighty ruler and setting up another. He is revealed as the monarch of the universe, about to set up His everlasting kingdom—the Ancient of days, the living God, the Source of all wisdom, the Ruler of the present, the Revealer of the future. Read and understand how poor, how frail, how short-lived, how erring, how guilty, is man in lifting up his soul unto vanity.
The Holy Spirit through Isaiah points us to God, the living God, as the chief object of attention—to God as revealed in Christ. “Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” [Isaiah 9:6].

The light that Daniel received direct from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai and the Hiddekel, the great rivers of Shinar, are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon have come to pass.

Consider the circumstances of the Jewish nation when the prophecies of Daniel were given. The Israelites were in captivity, their temple had been destroyed, their temple service suspended. Their religion had centered in the ceremonies of the sacrificial system. They had made the outward forms all-important, while they had lost the spirit of true worship. Their services were corrupted with the traditions and practices of heathenism, and in the performance of the sacrificial rites they did not look beyond the shadow to the substance. They did not discern Christ, the true offering for the sins of men. The Lord wrought to bring the people into captivity, and to suspend the services in the temple, in order that the outward ceremonies might not become the sum total of their religion. Their principles and practices must be purged from heathenism. The ritual service ceased in order that heart service might be revived. The outward glory was removed that the spiritual might be revealed.

In the land of their captivity, as the people turned unto the Lord with repentance, He manifested Himself unto them. They lacked the outward representation of His presence; but the bright beams of the Sun of Righteousness shone into their minds and hearts. When they called unto God in their humiliation and distress, visions were given to His prophets which unfolded the events of the future—the overthrow of the oppressors of God’s people, the coming of the Redeemer, and the establishment of the everlasting kingdom.

In giving the light to His people, God did not work exclusively through any one class of men. Daniel was a prince of Judah. Isaiah also was of the royal tribe. David was a shepherd boy, Amos a herdsman, Zechariah a captive from Babylon, Elisha a tiller of the soil. The Lord raised up as representative men the prophets and princes, the noble and the lowly, and by inspiration taught them truths to be given to His people.

The revealed will of God must stand forth distinct as a lamp that burneth. Those who, like yourself, are in responsible positions, we thank God can be a power for good if they are not perverted by prosperity. But in order that our work may be a success, we must cooperate with the heavenly messenger that is to lighten the whole earth with his glory. The Lord calls upon you, as upon Daniel, to enlist all your God-given powers in revealing Him to the world. The interest and effort of physicians are to be given, not to the health question alone, but to making known the truths for these last times, truths that are deciding the destiny of souls.

Daniel and his three companions had a special work to do. Although greatly honored in this work, they did not become in any way exalted. They were scholars, being skilled in secular as well as religious knowledge, but they had studied science without being corrupted. They were well-balanced because they had yielded themselves to the control of the Holy Spirit. These youth gave to God all the glory of their secular, scientific, and religious endowments. Their learning did not come by chance; they obtained knowledge by the faithful use of their powers, and God gave them skill and understanding.

True science and Bible religion are in perfect harmony. Let the students in our schools learn all they possibly can. But, as a rule, let them be educated in our own institutions. Be careful how you advise them to go to other schools, where error is taught, in order to complete their education. Do not give them the impression that greater educational advantages are to be obtained by mingling with those who do not seek wisdom from God. The great men of Babylon were willing to be benefited by the instruction that God gave through Daniel, to help the king out of his difficulty by the interpretation of his dream. But they were anxious to mix in their heathen religion with that of the Hebrews. Had Daniel and his fellows consented to such a compromise, they would, in the view of the Babylonians, have been complete as statesmen, fit to be entrusted with the affairs of the kingdom.

But the four Hebrews entered into no such arrangement. They were true to God, and God upheld them and honored them. The lesson is for us. “Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.”—Letter 57, 1896. (Ellen G. White Estate Washington, D. C., January 23, 1987. Entire Letter.)

As the title of the above letter suggests, biblical prophecy in relation to papal power, was not the specific topic being addressed by Mrs. White in this letter to Dr. Kellog. She was sharing her concerns with the Dr. regarding an apparent overemphasis of the health message, to the detriment of giving the third angel’s message in its entirety in a balanced manner.  According to her, the study of the prophecies of the books of Daniel and the Revelation being a most prominent part of the same.

It must be taken into account, that she made the statement in question, while addressing someone she believed was already over emphasizing the health aspect of our message to the point of harming the third angel’s message as a whole. The predominant part of which she established as the biblical prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation for these last days. In other words, when she said “We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the papacy”, she was addressing an individual whom she believed was already saying less about the same, while saying to much or over emphasizing the health message. 

The statement was certainly not conclusive, nor did it actually convey that we would have less to say about the papal power, but perhaps concerning only some lines of thought or practices of the same. One does not precede a conclusive statement with the words “We may”. Saying that we might have less to say in some lines, to someone she believed was already not saying enough, most probably had more to do with being less offensive or antagonistic upon the point of disagreement at hand, than embodying a new mindset or principle in relation to papal involvement in fulfilling biblical prophecy. Thus she began the statement with we may, rather than we will.

To construe the meaning of that one sentence in Mrs. Whites letter to the effect that she believed there would be far less to say about the papacy in the future regarding the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, would be quite a long stretch. In fact, in light of the many conclusive statements she made regarding the same issue, and at later dates then the one we are examining, it would be nothing short of an attempt to deceive.

The point being made by Mrs. White in the letter at hand, was expressed by her on several other occasions also, and is summed up quite well in the following statement she made in the first paragraph of the letter under examination. “The health reform is as closely related to the third angel’s message as the arm to the body; but the arm cannot take the place of the body. The proclamation of the third angel’s message, the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus, is the burden of our work.” Nor will there be found at all by further examining her testimony, any indication that there will be less to say about the papacies direct involvement in the events of these final days. Let us then begin in the next chapter, a more thorough investigation of just exactly what Mrs. White had to say regarding the significance of the Three Angels Messages, and the place of the papacy in the same.

It should not seem strange to those who hold and proclaim the truth, that it will become less and less popular as time progresses.  Our denomination is not beyond being effected by the changes in society all around us. If in fact the papacy will continue to grow in power and influence as it has been, it is and will continue to become increasingly unpopular both within and without the church, to speak the truth concerning biblical prophecy in relation to her. This process has in fact been well under way for many years now. I have personally experienced an almost complete deemphasis of biblical prophecy from the pulpit of the church I no longer attend for that exact reason. Nor do I believe, is this trend of a local nature only, as I have heard otherwise from many others. I suppose, it is easier to avoid biblical prophecy altogether, than attempt to avoid an elephant in the midst its warnings.
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Chapter 2

Prominence of The Three Angels Messages

This chapter will primarily entail the words of Mrs. White speaking for herself. Which we will have more time to examine in the following chapters.


Testimonies for the Church Volume 9, Page 19
Called to Be Witnesses


In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import—the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels’ messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention.

The most solemn truths ever entrusted to mortals have been given us to proclaim to the world. The proclamation of these truths is to be our work. The world is to be warned, and God’s people are to be true to the trust committed to them. They are not to engage in speculation, neither are they to enter into business enterprises with unbelievers; for this would hinder them in their God-given work.

Christ says of His people: “Ye are the light of the world.” Matthew 5:14. It is not a small matter that the counsels and plans of God have been so clearly opened to us. It is a wonderful privilege to be able to understand the will of God as revealed in the sure word of prophecy. This places on us a heavy responsibility. God expects us to impart to others the knowledge that He has given us. It is His purpose that divine and human instrumentalities shall unite in the proclamation of the warning message.

So far as his opportunities extend, everyone who has received the light of truth is under the same responsibility as was the prophet of Israel to whom came the word: “Son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at My mouth, and warn them from Me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.” Ezekiel 33:7-9.

Are we to wait until the fulfillment of the prophecies of the end before we say anything concerning them? Of what value will our words be then? Shall we wait until God’s judgments fall upon the transgressor before we tell him how to avoid them? Where is our faith in the word of God? Must we see things foretold come to pass before we will believe what He has said? In clear, distinct rays light has come to us, showing us that the great day of the Lord is near at hand, “even at the doors.” Let us read and understand before it is too late.

Counsels to Writers and Editors, Pages 26&27

The Three Angels’ Messages—The proclamation of the first, second, and third angels’ messages has been located by the word of Inspiration. Not a peg or pin is to be removed. No human authority has any more right to change the location of these messages than to substitute the New Testament for the Old. The Old Testament is the gospel in figures and symbols. The New Testament is the substance. One is as essential as the other. The Old Testament presents lessons from the lips of Christ, and these lessons have not lost their force in any particular. The first and second messages were given in 1843 and 1844, and we are now under the proclamation of the third; but all three of the messages are still to be proclaimed. It is just as essential now as ever before that they shall be repeated to those who are seeking for the truth. By pen and voice we are to sound the proclamation, showing their order, and the application of the prophecies that bring us to the third angel’s message. There cannot be a third without the first and second. These messages we are to give to the world in publications, in discourses, showing in the line of prophetic history the things that have been, and the things that will be.—Manuscript 32, 1896.

Selected Messages Book 3, Page 405

Satan’s Wrath Against the Three Angels’ Messages.—The third angel is represented as flying in the midst of heaven, symbolizing the work of those who proclaim the first, second, and third angel’s messages; all are linked together. The evidences of the abiding, ever living truth of these grand messages that mean so much to us, that have awakened such intense opposition from the religious world, are not extinct. Satan is constantly seeking to cast his hellish shadow about these messages, so that the remnant people of God shall not clearly discern their import—their time and place—but they live, and are to exert their power upon our religious experience while time shall last....

Manuscript Releases Volume Nine [Nos. 664-770], Page 291

Increasing Importance of the Three Angels’ Messages.—The truth for this time, the third angel’s message, is to be proclaimed with a loud voice, meaning with increasing power, as we approach the great final test.... The present truth for this time comprises the messages, the third angel’s message succeeding the first and the second. The presentation of this message with all it embraces is our work. We stand as the remnant people in these last days to promulgate the truth and swell the cry of the third angel’s wonderful distinct message, giving the trumpet a certain sound. Eternal truth, which we have adhered to from the beginning, is to be maintained in all its increasing importance to the close of probation. The trumpet is to give no uncertain sound....


Manuscript Releases Volume Nine [Nos. 664-770], Page 290
MR No. 746 - Increasing Importance of the Three Angels’ Messages


Third Angel’s Message a Life-and-Death Question.-We know that now everything is at stake. The third angel’s message is to be at this time regarded as of the highest importance. It is a life-and-death question.

The eighteenth chapter of Revelation reveals the importance of presenting the truth in no measured terms, but with boldness and power. There must be no toning down of the truth, no muffling of the message for this time. Satan has devised a state of things whereby the proclamation of the third angel’s message shall be bound about. We must beware of his plans and methods. The third angel’s message is to be strengthened and confirmed....

Satan will so mingle his deceptions with truth that side issues will be created to turn the attention of the people from the great issue, the test to be brought upon the people of God in these last days.—Letter 28, 1900, pp. 2-4. (To W. W. Prescott and wife, February 17, 1900.)

A Worldwide Message.—The message of the angel following the third is now to be given to all parts of the world. It is to be the harvest message, and the whole earth will be lighted with the glory of God. The Lord has this one more call of mercy to the world, but the perversity of men diverts the work from its true bearing, and the light has to struggle amid the darkness of men who feel themselves competent to do a work that God has not appointed them to do.—Letter 86, 1900, pp. 8, 9. (To A. G. Daniells, June 18, 1900.)


Spiritual Gifts. Volume 1, Page 168
Chapter 29—A Firm Platform


I saw a company who stood well guarded and firm, and would give no countenance to those who would unsettle the established faith of the body. God looked upon them with approbation. I was shown three steps—one, two and three—the first, second and third angels’ messages. Said the angel, Woe to him who shall move a block, or stir a pin in these messages. The true understanding of these messages is of vital importance. The destiny of souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received.

Testimonies for the Church Volume 5, Page 455&456

God has called His church in this day, as He called ancient Israel, to stand as a light in the earth. By the mighty cleaver of truth, the messages of the first, second, and third angels, He has separated them from the churches and from the world to bring them into a sacred nearness to Himself. He has made them the depositaries of His law and has committed to them the great truths of prophecy for this time. Like the holy oracles committed to ancient Israel, these are a sacred trust to be communicated to the world. The three angels of Revelation 14 represent the people who accept the light of God’s messages and go forth as His agents to sound the warning throughout the length and breadth of the earth...

But very few of those who have received the light are doing the work entrusted to their hands. There are a few men of unswerving fidelity who do not study ease, convenience, or life itself, who push their way wherever they can find an opening to press the light of truth and vindicate the holy law of God......................................... ...............

Testimonies for the Church Volume 8, Page 116
The Message for this Time


I have been instructed to trace words of warning for our brethren and sisters who are in danger of losing sight of the special work for this time. The Lord has made us depositaries of sacred truth. We are to arise and shine. In every land we are to herald the second coming of Christ, in the language of the revelator proclaiming: “Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him.” Revelation 1:7.

What are we doing? Are we giving the message of the third angel?


Evangelism (Prophetic Preaching That Arrests Attention). Pgs. 195&196

The book of Revelation must be opened to the people. Many have been taught that it is a sealed book; but it is sealed only to those who reject light and truth. The truth it contains must be proclaimed, that people may have an opportunity to prepare for the events which are so soon to transpire. The third angel’s message must be presented as the only hope for the salvation of a perishing world.—Letter 87, 1896.

Three Messages Important—The theme of greatest importance is the third angel’s message, embracing the messages of the first and second angels. All should understand the truths contained in these messages and demonstrate them in daily life, for this is essential to salvation. We shall have to study earnestly, prayerfully, in order to understand these grand truths; and our power to learn and comprehend will be taxed to the utmost.—Letter 97, 1902.

The above quotes from Mrs. White, which certainly do not represent an exhaustive compilation, reveal her conviction that the giving of the Three Angels Messages are paramount to the mission of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Sticking to the subject matter at hand then, let us examine these messages in the context of the papacies involvement to or with the same, or not in the following chapters.
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Chapter 3

The First Angel’s Messages

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

As every Seventh Day Adventist understands it, the above message of the first angel is among other things a call back to worship of the true God, on His true Sabbath. This message is given during the hour of God’s judgment. Both of these truths being crucial doctrines to the establishment of the SDA Church, and also being in contradiction to or with the papacy and present day Protestantism for the most part. Though there is much room to expound upon this theme and the topic of judgment in relation to the same, which a great many have, it is not our purpose to do so in this book. We are examining the message and it’s relation to the papacy or not.

It is and would be possible of course to call people back to worship on the seventh day according to the commandment, rather than the first day according to man made tradition without reference to the papacy. This however, would require no explanation of the history of why the biblical Sabbath had apparently been replaced, in the first place. Which no doubt would be one of the first questions asked by inquiring minds either being introduced to the subject, or those seeking for the truth themselves. This is not to mention the fact that the papacy is still a major proponent of Sunday sacredness established through legislation. In any sense then, an in depth study of how the change took place would unquestionably entail the papacies involvement with the same.

As we have already examined, Ellen White considered this angel’s message along with the others to be of the utmost importance concerning life and death for all humanity. It goes without saying then, that a simple cursory investigation of the matter, certainly would not be sufficient to the drastic nature and consequences of any decision made concerning the message. To the contrary, we are advised to study the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation earnestly and honestly.

The scriptures themselves give the clearest evidence that the messages of these angels is of the utmost importance. Immediately after the giving of these messages, the scriptures describe the second coming of Christ, and the reaping of both the harvests of this earth. These messages are given during and leading up to the last hours of this earth’s history. Likewise then, the scriptures themselves demand an honest and in depth investigation of these messages and all that pertains to them. It is not possible therefore, to examine the issues of the first angels message, without also examining the role which the papacy played and plays in it.


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The Spirit of Prophecy Volume 4, Page 279-282

The papacy has attempted to change the law of God. The second commandment, forbidding image worship, has been dropped from the law, and the fourth commandment has been so changed as to authorize the observance of the first instead of the seventh day as the Sabbath. But papists urge as a reason for omitting the second commandment, that it is unnecessary, being included in the first, and that they are giving the law exactly as God designed it to be understood. This cannot be the change foretold by the prophet. An intentional, deliberate change is brought to view: “He shall think to change times and laws.” The change in the fourth commandment exactly fulfills the prophecy. For this change the only authority claimed is that of the church. Here the papal power openly sets itself above God.

The claim so often put forth, that Christ changed the Sabbath, is disproved by his own words. In his sermon on the mount he declared: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.” [Matthew 5:17-19.]

Roman Catholics acknowledge that the change of the Sabbath was made by their church; and they cite this change as evidence of the authority of the church to legislate in divine things, and declare that Protestants, by observing the Sabbath as thus changed, are recognizing her power. The Roman Church has not relinquished her claim to supremacy; and when the world and the Protestant churches accept a Sabbath of her creating, while they reject the Bible Sabbath, they virtually admit this assumption. They may claim the authority of apostles and Fathers for the change; but in so doing they ignore the very principle which separates them from Rome,—that “the Bible, and the Bible only, is the religion of Protestants.” The papist can see that they are deceiving themselves, willingly closing their eyes to the facts in the case. As the Sunday institution gains favor, he rejoices, feeling assured that it will eventually bring the whole Protestant world under the banner of Rome.

The fourth commandment, which Rome has endeavored to set aside, is the only precept of the decalogue that points to God as the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and thus distinguishes the true God from all false gods. The Sabbath was instituted to commemorate the work of creation, and thus to direct the minds of men to the true and living God. The fact of his creative power is cited throughout the Scriptures as proof that the God of Israel is superior to heathen deities. Had the Sabbath always been kept, man’s thoughts and affections would have been led to his Maker as the object of reverence and worship, and there would never have been an idolater, an atheist, or an infidel.

That institution which points to God as the Creator is a sign of his rightful authority over the beings he has made. The change of the Sabbath is the sign, or mark, of the authority of the Romish Church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false in place of the true Sabbath, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The change in the fourth commandment is the change pointed out in the prophecy, and the keeping of the counterfeit Sabbath is the reception of the mark. But Christians of past generations observed the first day, supposing that they were keeping the Bible Sabbath, and there are in the churches of today many who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. None of these have received the mark of the beast. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. The test upon this question does not come until Sunday observance is enforced by law, and the world is enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath. Not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, will those who continue in transgression receive the mark of the beast.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The following is taken from - THE AUGSBURG CONFESSION OF FAITH
Which Was Submitted to His Imperial Majesty Charles V at the Diet of Augsburg in the Year 1530.
by Philip Melanchthon, 1497-1560

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Moreover, it is disputed whether bishops or pastors have the right to introduce ceremonies in the Church, and to make laws concerning meats, holy-days and grades, that is, orders of ministers, etc. They that give this right to the bishops refer to this testimony John 16, 12. 13: I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth. They also refer to the example of the Apostles, who commanded to abstain from blood and from things strangled, Acts 15, 29. They refer to the Sabbath-day as having been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalog, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath-day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!
But concerning this question it is taught on our part (as has been shown above) that bishops have no power to decree anything against the Gospel. The Canonical Laws teach the same thing (Dist. IX) . Now, it is against Scripture to establish or require the observance of any traditions, to the end that by such observance we may make satisfaction for sins, or merit grace and righteousness. For the glory of Christ's merit suffers injury when, by such observances, we undertake to merit justification. But it is manifest that, by such belief, traditions have almost infinitely multiplied in the Church, the doctrine concerning faith and the righteousness of faith being meanwhile suppressed. For gradually more holy-days were made, fasts appointed, new ceremonies and services in honor of saints instituted, because the authors of such things thought that by these works they were meriting grace. Thus in times past the Penitential Canons increased, whereof we still see some traces in the satisfactions.


The following is from the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Emphasis mine.

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Sunday- fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:[107] 
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.[108]

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."[109] Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

A day of grace and rest from work

2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,"[121] human life has a rhythm of work and rest. The institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.[122]

2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.[123] Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health. 
The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.[124]

2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.

2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."[125]

IN BRIEF
2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).

2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf. SC 106).

2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 # 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247).

2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 # 3).

2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day.

In light of all the above information, the idea of giving the first angel’s message without reference to the Church of Rome, would be at the least bordering on deception. Would this not be a step in the direction of the most of the rest of Protestantism today, which also denies the truth about the Sabbath and the pre-advent judgment.
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Chapter 4

The Second Angel’s Message


Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Without question, the identity of who or what is represented by Babylon in the above message is crucial to the proper understanding of the same. There is no question either, that traditional Adventism associates the papacy with Babylon. This was and is not at all a new concept of Adventism, but was believed also by vast numbers of the Protestant Reformers and denominations of the past.

It seems however, that since the times of actual persecution of Protestants by the papacy fades into the distant past for the most part, so also has their conviction regarding the same. This is a subject which deserves a great deal of attention, which we might find time to address in later chapters. Nor is our own Church immune to this same influence, but to the contrary, many of our ranks seem to be heading down this same road. For now though, we will stick to simply identifying Babylon.

From here we will proceed to the testimony of some of the Protestant Reformers regarding the identity of Babylon. Though some of their testimony may seem rather harsh, the reality of the times must be understood, not only would the papacy have gladly burned these men at the stake, but she actually did burn more than just a few of them. Their animosity was very real and brought about by severe abuse and persecution by the papacy. Their testimony is of course crucial to establishing historical context in relation to the papacies relation to Babylon and therefore the second angel’s message, or not.

After examining their testimony, we will examine some of the same from Mrs. White.


WALTER BRUTE fourteenth-century British or Welsh layman and Lollard scholar.

“ If the city of Rome do allow his Traditions, and do disallow Christ’s holy Commandments, and Christ’s Doctrine, that it may confirm his Traditions; then is she Babylon the Great, or the Daughter of Babylon, and the Great Whore sitting upon many waters, with whom the Kings of the Earth have committed Fornication, and the Inhabitants of the earth are become drunken with the Wine of her Harlotry lying open to Bawdry. With whose spiritual Whoredom, Enchantments, Witchcrafts, and Simon Magus Merchandises, the whole round world is infected and seduced; saying in her heart, I sit as a Queen, and Widow I am not, neither shall I see Sorrow and mourning.  (Registrum, p. 288; Foxe, Acts, vol. 1, p. 546.)

GIROLAMO SAVONAROLA (1452-1498)
“ Fly from Rome, for Babylon signifies confusion, and Rome hath confused all the Scriptures, confused all vices together, confused everything. Fly, then, from Rome, and come to repentance.” (Villari, op. cit., p.413, citing Lenten Sermon (1496), for Wednesday after fifth Sunday.)

MARTIN LUTHER (1483-1546)  “ I cry aloud on behalf of liberty and conscience, and I proclaim with confidence that no kind of law can with any justice be imposed on Christians, whether by men or angels, except so far as they themselves will; for we are free from all. If such laws are imposed on us, we ought so to endure them as still to preserve the consciousness of our liberty. We ought to know and steadfastly to protest that a wrong is being done to that liberty, though we may bear and even glory in that wrong; taking care neither to justify the tyrant nor to murmur against the tyranny. ‘Who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? (1 Pet. 3:13.) All things work together for good to the elect of God. Since, however, there are but few who understand the glory of baptism and the happiness of Christian liberty, or who can understand them for the tyranny of the Pope- I for my part will set free my own mind and deliver my conscience, by declaring aloud to the Pope and all papists, that, unless they shall throw aside all their laws and traditions, and restore liberty to the churches of Christ, and cause that liberty to be taught, they are guilty of the death of all the souls which are perishing in this wretched bondage, and that the papacy is in truth nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist.For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the Church; while he yet sits in the Church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny. It has extinguished faith, darkened the sacraments, crushed the gospel; while it has enjoined and multiplied without end its own laws, which are not only wicked and sacrilegious, but also most unlearned and barbarous.” (Luther, First Principles, pp. 196, 197 (Schriften, vol. 19. Cols. 70, 71).

NICOLAUS VON AMSDORF (1483-1565) ‘ This beast we know is the Roman Empire, which carries and supports the red Babylonian whore, which is the Papacy. ” (Nicolaus von Amsdorf, Funff furnemliche und gewisse Zeichen, sig. D1r.-D2r.)

MATTHIAS FLAGIUS (Vlacich)  (1520-1575) The sixth and last reason for our separation from the pope and his followers be this: By many writings of our church, by the Divinely Inspired Word, by prophecies concerning the future and by the special characteristics of the papacy, it has been profusely and thoroughly proved that the pope with his prelates and clergy is the real true great Antichrist, that his kingdom is the real Babylon, a never ceasing fountain and a mother of all abominable idolatry. (Flacius, Etliche Hochwichtige Ursachen und Grunde, warumb das sich alle Christen von dem Antichrist…..absondern sollen.)


HEINRICH BULLINGER (1504-1575)The scarlet woman of Revelation 17 is “the Romish church” and Rome the seat of the Beast. (Bullinger, A Hundred Sermons upon the Apocalips, preface; see also his Decades, decade 4, sermon 7, pp. 273 ff.)

WILLIAM TYNDALE (1484-1536) And [they] have set up that great idol, the whore of Babylon, antichrist of Rome, whom they call pope; and have conspired against all commonwealths, and have made them a several kingdom, wherein it is lawful, unpunished, to work all abomination. (Tyndale, The Obedience of a Christian Man, in Works, vol. 1, p. 191.)

NICHOLAS RIDLEY (1500-1555)The head, under Satan, of all mischief is Antichrist and his brood; and the same is he which is the Babylonical beast, The beast is he whereupon the whore sitteth. The whore is that city, saith John in plain words, which hath empire over the kings of the earth. This whore hath a golden cup of abominations in her hand, whereof she maketh to drink the kings of the earth, and of the wine of this harlot all nations hath drunk; yea, and kings of the earth have lain by this whore; and merchants of the earth, by virtue of her pleasant merchandise, have been made rich.

Now what city is there in the whole world, that when John wrote, ruled over the kings of the earth; or what city can be read of in any time, that of the city itself challenged the empire over the kings of the earth, but only the city of Rome, and that since the usurpation of that See hath grown to her full strength? And is it not read, that old and ancient writers understood Peter’s former Epistle to be written at Rome, and it to be called of him in the same Epistle, in plain terms, Babylon! BY the abominations thereof, I understand all the whole trade of the Romish religion, under the name and title of Christ, which is contrary to the only rule of all true religion, that is God’s word.(“Conferences…Between Nicholas Ridley and Hugh Latimer,” in Ridley, Works, p. 258)

JOHN PHILPOT (1516-1555)  St John in the Apocalypse telleth us plainly, that none of those who are written in the book of life do receive the mark of the beast, which is, of the papistical synagogue, either in their foreheads or else in their hands, that is, apparently or obediently….Finally, in the 18th of the Apocalypse, God biddeth us plainly to depart from this Babylonical synagogue, and not to be partakers of her trespass……….

Ponder therefore well, good brethren and sisters, these scriptures, which be written for your erudition and reformation; whereof one iota is not written in vain; which be utterly against all counterfeit collusion to be used of us with the papists in their fantastical religion. (Philpot, Examinations and Writings, letter1, p. 222.)

JOHN BRADFORD (1510-1555) Ah, wretches then that we be, if we will defile either part with the rose-coloured whore of Babylon’s filthy mass-abomination! It had been better for us never to have been washed, than so to wallow ourselves in the filthy puddle of popery: it had been better never to have known the truth, than thus to betray it. Surely, surely, let such men fear, that their ‘latter end be not worse than the beginning.’ (John Bradford in Writings [vol. 1] {Sermons, Meditations, Examinations}, vol. 1, p. 390.)

JOHN HOOPER (1495-1555)  Of that wicked and pestilent see and chair of Rome, which is indeed the very whore of Babylon that St John describeth in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, sitting upon a seven headed beast, which St John himself interpreted to be seven hills, and the children in the grammar-school do know that Rome is called civitas septem montium, the city of seven hills. (Hooper, An Apology Against the Untrue and Slanderous Reports, in Works, vol. 2, p. 554.)

THOMAS CRANMER (1489-1556)  And in the seventeenth chapter he lively setteth forth the pope in his own colours, under the person of the whore of Babylon being drunken with the blood of saints; pointing, as it were with his finger, who this whore of Babylon is, and the place where she shall reign, saying: ‘The woman which thou sawest is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth.’ Now what other city reigned at that time, or at any time since, over the christian kings of the earth, but only Rome? Whereof it followed Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself.(Cranmer, Works, vol. 1,  pp. 62, 63.)

Edwin Sandys (1519-1588)  This is our apostasy. We have forsaken him that hath forsaken God, and whom God hath forsaken: we have left that man of sin, that rose-colored harlot with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, that triple-crowned beast, that double-sworded tyrant, that thief and murderer, who hath robbed so many souls of salvation, and sucked so much innocent blood of christian martyrs, that adversary unto Christ, that pretensed vicar, who hath displaced the person, not only taking upon him Christ’s room and office, but also boasting himself as if he were a god, and being content of his parasites so to be called. (Edwin Sandys, The Sermons of Edwin Sandys, p. 389.)

Jean (John) Calvin (1509-1564) Daniel and Paul had predicted that Antichrist would sit in the temple of God. The head of that cursed and abominable kingdom, in the Western Church, we affirm to be the Pope. When his seat is placed in the temple of God, it suggests, that his kingdom will be such, that he will not abolish the name of Christ or the Church. Hence it appears , that we by no means deny that churches may exist, even under his tyranny; but he has profaned them by sacrilegious impiety, afflicted them by cruel despotism, corrupted and almost terminated their existence by false and pernicious doctrines; like poisonous potions, in such churches, Christ lies half buried, the gospel is suppressed, piety exterminated, and the worship of God almost abolished; in a word, they are altogether in such a state of confusion, that they exhibit a picture of Babylon, rather than the holy city of God. (Calvin, Institutes, vol. 2, pp. 314,315. The English translation of 1561, fol. 15v, gives the same thought, only in the quaint but often more ivivd phrasing of the time.)

JOHN NAPIER  (NEPER)  (1550-1617) In the former proposition was described the holie Spouse of Christ, here is to bee described the filthie whoore of Sathan, there that Ladie, who is adorned with the Sunne, Starres, and heavenlie virtues: here that Adultresse, who glories in golde, silver, precious stones, and worllie pleasures: there shee, who is persecuted by the Dragon, here she unto whome the Dragon doeth give authoritie: There she, who is chaced into the wilderness, and hath no lodge to hide her in; here she who impireth above all people, and is the Metropolitane citie of the world. And finallie, seeing in al things this Whoore, or whoorish Babylon, is contrarious to Christes holie Spouse, lette us, and all Christians trie her out, as our detestable and deadlie enemie, and see what Babylon she is. We say then, that this Babylon, is not that reall Babylon of Chaldee, but Rome, for these reasons. First, for that this Babylon is called mysterium Babylon, that is to say, mysticall or figurative Babylon: Therefore, it is not Babylon it self in Chaldee. (John Napier, A Plaine Discovery of the Whole Revelation of Saint Iohn., p. 34. This first reason was supported by a series of supplemental arguments.)

For firste (saieth the text) the Woman that sate upon this Beast, is the great Citie, that sitteth over the Kings of the earth: So the chiefe seate and citie of the Latine or Romane Empire, is that great citie Rome, that had Empire overe all the kingdomes of the earth. (Ibid., pp. 36,37; and introductory table.)

The above quotes are of course just a few examples taken from a vast sea of Protestant Reformers and literature written by them, their followers, and many a predecessor. Without question then, history bears the testimony that many of those who suffered abuse and persecution at the hands of the papacy, and a great many there were, identified her as the prophetic Babylon of scripture. It is the writers opinion that all Christians would do well to study this neglected history.

We will now begin and examination of some testimony from Mrs. White regarding Babylon.


The Great Controversy 1888, Page 382

The woman, Babylon, of Revelation 17, is described as “arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness.... And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots.” Says the prophet, “I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.” [Revelation 17:4-6.] Babylon is further declared to be “that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.” [Revelation 17:18.] The power that for so many centuries maintained despotic sway over the monarchs of Christendom, is Rome. The purple and scarlet color, the gold and precious stones and pearls, vividly picture the magnificence and more than kingly pomp affected by the haughty see of Rome. And no other power could be so truly declared “drunken with the blood of the saints” as that church which has so cruelly persecuted the followers of Christ. Babylon is also charged with the sin of unlawful connection with “the kings of the earth.” It was by departure from the Lord, and alliance with the heathen, that the Jewish church became a harlot; and Rome, corrupting herself in like manner by seeking the support of worldly powers, receives a like condemnation. Babylon is said to be “the mother of harlots.” By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God, in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world.

The Spirit of Prophecy Volume 4, Page 233

In Revelation 17, Babylon is represented as a woman, a figure which is used in the Scriptures as the symbol of a church. A virtuous woman represents a pure church, a vile woman an apostate church. Babylon is said to be a harlot; and the prophet beheld her drunken with the blood of saints and martyrs. The Babylon thus described represents Rome, that apostate church which has so cruelly persecuted the followers of Christ. But Babylon the harlot is the mother of daughters who follow her example of corruption. Thus are represented those churches that cling to the doctrines and traditions of Rome and follow her worldly practices, and whose fall is announced in the second angel’s message.

The Great Controversy 1888, Page 65

The Waldenses were the first of all the peoples of Europe to obtain a translation of the Holy Scriptures. Hundreds of years before the Reformation, they possessed the Bible in manuscript in their native tongue. They had the truth unadulterated, and this rendered them the special objects of hatred and persecution. They declared the Church of Rome to be the apostate Babylon of the Apocalypse, and at the peril of their lives they stood up to resist her corruptions. While, under the pressure of long-continued persecution, some compromised their faith, little by little yielding its distinctive principles, others held fast the truth. Through ages of darkness and apostasy, there were Waldenses who denied the supremacy of Rome, who rejected image worship as idolatry, and who kept the true Sabbath. Under the fiercest tempests of opposition they maintained their faith. Though gashed by the Savoyard spear, and scorched by the Romish fagot, they stood unflinchingly for God’s Word and his honor.

The Great Controversy 1888, Page 59 & 60

In the thirteenth century was established that most terrible of all the engines of the papacy,—the Inquisition. The prince of darkness wrought with the leaders of the papal hierarchy. In their secret councils, Satan and his angels controlled the minds of evil men, while unseen in the midst stood an angel of God, taking the fearful record of their iniquitous decrees, and writing the history of deeds too horrible to appear to human eyes. “Babylon the great” was “drunken with the blood of the saints.” The mangled forms of millions of martyrs cried to God for vengeance upon that apostate power.

Popery had become the world’s despot. Kings and emperors bowed to the decrees of the Roman pontiff. The destinies of men, both for time and for eternity, seemed under his control. For hundreds of years the doctrines of Rome had been extensively and implicitly received, its rites reverently performed, its festivals generally observed. Its clergy were honored and liberally sustained. Never since has the Roman Church attained to greater dignity, magnificence, or power.

The Great Controversy 1888, Page 248

Barnes and Frith, the faithful friends of Tyndale, arose to defend the truth. The Ridleys and Cranmer followed. These leaders in the English Reformation were men of learning, and most of them had been highly esteemed for zeal or piety in the Romish communion. Their opposition to the papacy was the result of their knowledge of the errors of the “holy see.” Their acquaintance with the mysteries of Babylon, gave greater power to their testimonies against her.

S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, Page 983

Chapter 17
1-5 (Revelation 13:11-17; Revelation 18:1-5; 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12). Deceiver of All Nations—In the seventeenth of Revelation is foretold the destruction of all the churches who corrupt themselves by idolatrous devotion to the service of the papacy, those who have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. [Revelation 17:1-4 quoted.] Thus is represented the papal power, which with all deceivableness of unrighteousness, by outside attraction and gorgeous display, deceives all nations; promising them, as did Satan our first parents, all good to those who receive its mark, and all harm to those who oppose its fallacies. The power which has the deepest inward corruption will make the greatest display, and will clothe itself with the most elaborate signs of power. The Bible plainly declares that this covers a corrupt and deceiving wickedness. “Upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.”

What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath (Letter 232, 1899).

The Review and Herald December 6, 1892 Let the Trumpet Give a Certain Sound

By Mrs. E. G. White
The influence of these messages has been deepening and widening, setting in motion the springs of action in thousands of hearts, bringing into existence institutions of learning, publishing houses, and health institutions; all these are the instrumentalities of God to co-operate in the grand work represented by the first, second, third angels flying in the midst of heaven to warn the inhabitants of the world that Christ is coming again with power and great glory. The prophet says, “I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power: and the earth was lightened with glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils.” This is the same message that was given by the second angel. Babylon is fallen, “because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” What is that wine?—Her false doctrines. She has given to the world a false Sabbath instead of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and has repeated the falsehood that Satan first told to Eve in Eden,—the natural immortality of the soul. Many kindred errors she has spread far and wide, “teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”

When Jesus began his public ministry, he cleansed the temple from its sacrilegious profanation. Among the last acts of his ministry was the second cleansing of the temple. So in the last work for the warning of the world, two distinct calls are made to the churches. The second angel’s message is, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” And in the loud cry of the third angel’s message a voice is heard from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.”

Without question, the testimony of Mrs. White is in agreement with that of the Protestant Reformers. The Church of Rome, is “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH”. As a mother though, she has daughters. Mrs. White moves ahead with time as a true historicist and identifies those daughters as the once Protestant denominations that have stopped the protest and reformation, and are conforming to the image of Rome. These are the daughters, along with others, that will cooperate with and strengthen Rome in the final conflict.

Though these backsliding Protestant denominations already have or will become part of Babylon by cooperating with her, they cannot take her place. Nor displace her, she is the original, the true leading institution in the end game. In fact, the entire world apart from God’s people alone, will unite under her banner. They may all be called citizens of Babylon, but they are not “that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.” (Rev 17:18) She is the true leader, even if it is behind the scenes. Her plans to bring all humanity together in unity under her direction are no secret to those who are paying proper attention. Observe the following -


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Man’s earthly activity, when inspired and sustained by charity, contributes to the building of the universal city of God, which is the goal of the history of the human family. In an increasingly globalized society, the common good and the effort to obtain it cannot fail to assume the dimensions of the whole human family, that is to say, the community of peoples and nations, in such a way as to shape the earthly city in unity and peace, rendering it to some degree an anticipation and a prefiguration of the undivided city of God.  (ENCYCLICAL LETTER CARITAS IN VERITATE OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF BENEDICT XVI TO THE BISHOPS PRIESTS AND DEACONS MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS THE LAY FAITHFUL AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT IN CHARITY AND TRUTH)

As we will examine in later chapters, Rome intends of course to be the guiding force behind the establishment of the above counterfeit city of God. A city that will allow for every kind of religion no doubt, accept true biblical Christianity. For the purpose of this chapter though, we have reached our only logical conclusion. There can be no giving of the second angel’s message, void of reference to the Church of Rome. She has been identified as Babylon the great by true Protestants all throughout their history. If we are to abandon this truth, then we will be heading down the same road as the rest of apostate Protestantism?
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Chapter 5

The Third Angel’s Message


Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Just as every Seventh Day Adventist understands that the first angle’s message is a call back to the worship of the true God on His true Sabbath, so also they know that the third angel’s message is a warning about keeping the false Sabbath of human origin and tradition over and in place of the same. We already know that Rome intends and teaches that Sunday sacredness should be established by law. It is just a matter of getting enough support from apostate Protestantism and others, to make it happen. The papacies Sunday laws have been with us in many a nation throughout history now, since first established by Constantine in the formation of the papacy itself. The papacy itself being that form of apostate “Christianity” which first abandoned the power of the Holy spirit of God by way of conviction, in favor of the power of the state by way of coercion. Constantine’s Sunday law itself being a major catalyst of all such further future developments. For a more in depth examination of this process see - http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-(sda)/sabbath-sunday-and-the-abomination-of-desolation/

This being the case, it is of course nonsensical to think she could be left out or excluded from mention while giving the third angel’s warning. At this point, we will take a look at Rev. 13 regarding the establishment of the false worship warned against.


Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

As is obvious from the above prophecies, the first and second beasts of Rev. 13 do not pass from one to the other by succession as the prophetic beasts of the book of Daniel did. The first beast does not die and pass on, but receives a deadly wound and is healed. The second beast plays a crucial part in the healing and reestablishment of the first beast, by creating an image to it. That image speaks, and causes any that will not worship the image to be killed. All Seventh Day Adventists understand that beasts, that is governments or kingdoms speak through their laws. The image of the first beast will of course be the reestablishment of civil laws concerning Sunday sacredness, a child of the papacy.

These two beasts work together, and in fact create a third and final beast of prophetic history, but that is another subject altogether.(See previously provided link for more detail concerning the same.) Once again though, it would be impossible to give this third angels message without any reference to the papacy. She is the progenitor of the worship that will be forced upon all, and directly involved in bringing this about. Ellen White of course had much to say about this.


The Spirit of Prophecy Volume 4, Page 279

The beast with lamb-like horns commands “all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads; and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” [Revelation 13:16, 17.] This is the mark concerning which the third angel utters his warning. It is the mark of the first beast, or the papacy, and is therefore to be sought among the distinguishing characteristics of that power. The prophet Daniel declared that the Roman Church, symbolized by the little horn, was to think to change times and laws, [Daniel 7:25.] while Paul styled it the man of sin, [2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.] who was to exalt himself above God. Only by changing God’s law could the papacy exalt itself above God; whoever should understandingly keep the law as thus changed would be giving supreme honor to that power by which the change was made. Such an act of obedience to papal laws would be a mark of allegiance to the pope in the place of God.



Testimonies for the Church Volume 6, Page 60-62

The third angel’s message is to be given with power. The power of the proclamation of the first and second messages is to be intensified in the third. In the Revelation John says of the heavenly messenger who unites with the third angel: “I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice.” Revelation 18:1, 2. We are in danger of giving the third angel’s message in so indefinite a manner that it does not impress the people. So many other interests are brought in that the very message which should be proclaimed with power becomes tame and voiceless. At our camp meetings a mistake has been made. The Sabbath question has been touched upon, but has not been presented as the great test for this time. While the churches profess to believe in Christ, they are violating the law which Christ Himself proclaimed from Sinai. The Lord bids us: “Show My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” Isaiah 58:1. The trumpet is to give a certain sound.

When you have a congregation before you for only two weeks, do not defer the presentation of the Sabbath question until everything else is presented, supposing that you thus pave the way for it. Lift up the standard—the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Make this the important theme. Then, by your strong arguments, make it of still greater force. Dwell more on the Revelation. Read, explain, and enforce its teaching.

Our warfare is aggressive. Tremendous issues are before us, yea, and right upon us. Let our prayers ascend to God that the four angels may still hold the four winds, that they may not blow to injure or destroy until the last warning has been given to the world. Then let us work in harmony with our prayers. Let nothing lessen the force of the truth for this time. The present truth is to be our burden. The third angel’s message must do its work of separating from the churches a people who will take their stand on the platform of eternal truth.
Our message is a life-and-death message, and we must let it appear as it is, the great power of God. We are to present it in all its telling force.
Then the Lord will make it effectual. It is our privilege to expect large things, even the demonstration of the Spirit of God. This is the power that will convict and convert the soul.

The perils of the last days are upon us, and in our work we are to warn the people of the danger they are in. Let not the solemn scenes which prophecy has revealed be left untouched. If our people were half awake, if they realized the nearness of the events portrayed in the Revelation, a reformation would be wrought in our churches, and many more would believe the message. We have no time to lose; God calls upon us to watch for souls as they that must give an account. Advance new principles, and crowd in the clear-cut truth. It will be as a sword cutting both ways. But be not too ready to take a controversial attitude. There will be times when we must stand still and see the salvation of God. Let Daniel speak, let the Revelation speak, and tell what is truth. But whatever phase of the subject is presented, uplift Jesus as the center of all hope, “the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright and morning Star.” Revelation 22:16.


Testimonies for the Church Volume 6, Page 241

Medical missionary work is in no case to be divorced from the gospel ministry. The Lord has specified that the two shall be as closely connected as the arm is with the body. Without this union neither part of the work is complete. The medical missionary work is the gospel in illustration.

But God did not design that the medical missionary work should eclipse the work of the third angel’s message. The arm is not to become the body. The third angel’s message is the gospel message for these last days, and in no case is it to be overshadowed by other interests and made to appear an unessential consideration. When in our institutions anything is placed above the third angel’s message, the gospel is not there the great leading power.


Counsels to Writers and Editors, Page 26 & 27

The Three Angels’ Messages
—The proclamation of the first, second, and third angels’ messages has been located by the word of Inspiration. Not a peg or pin is to be removed. No human authority has any more right to change the location of these messages than to substitute the New Testament for the Old. The Old Testament is the gospel in figures and symbols. The New Testament is the substance. One is as essential as the other. The Old Testament presents lessons from the lips of Christ, and these lessons have not lost their force in any particular. The first and second messages were given in 1843 and 1844, and we are now under the proclamation of the third; but all three of the messages are still to be proclaimed. It is just as essential now as ever before that they shall be repeated to those who are seeking for the truth. By pen and voice we are to sound the proclamation, showing their order, and the application of the prophecies that bring us to the third angel’s message. There cannot be a third without the first and second. These messages we are to give to the world in publications, in discourses, showing in the line of prophetic history the things that have been, and the things that will be.—Manuscript 32, 1896.

Counsels to Writers and Editors, Page 177
Chapter 25—Literature in the Closing Work

The End of All Things at Hand
—The great and wonderful work of the last gospel message is to be carried on now as it has never been before. The world is to receive the light of truth through an evangelizing ministry of the Word in our books and periodicals. Our publications are to show that the end of all things is at hand. I am bidden to say to our publishing houses: “Lift up the standard; lift it up higher. Proclaim the third angel’s message, that it may be heard by all the world. Let it be seen that ‘here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.’ Revelation 14:12. Let our literature give the message as a witness to all the world.”

Our workers should now be encouraged to give their first attention to books that deal with the evidences of our faith,—books that teach the doctrines of the Bible, and that will prepare a people to stand in the trying times before us.—Testimonies for the Church 9:61 (1909).

S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 4, Page 1171&1172

A Signpost Turned Around—The Lord has clearly defined the road to the city of God; but the great apostate has changed the signpost, setting up a false one—a spurious sabbath. He says: “I will work at cross-purposes with God. I will empower my delegate, the man of sin, to take down God’s memorial, the seventh-day Sabbath. Thus will I show the world that the day sanctified and blessed by God has been changed. That day shall not live in the minds of the people. I will obliterate the memory of it. I will place in its stead a day bearing not the credentials of heaven, a day that cannot be a sign between God and His people. I will lead the people who accept this day, to place upon it the sanctity that God placed upon the seventh day. Through my vicegerent I will exalt myself. The first day shall be extolled, and the Protestant world shall receive this spurious sabbath as genuine. Through the non-observance of the Sabbath God instituted, I will bring His law into contempt. The words, ‘A sign between me and you throughout your generations,’ I will make to serve on the side of my sabbath. Thus the world will become mine. I will be ruler of the earth, prince of the world. I will so control the minds under my power that God’s Sabbath shall be an object of contempt. A sign? I will make the observance of the seventh day a sign of disloyalty to the authorities of earth. Human laws shall be made so stringent that men and women will not dare to observe the seventh-day Sabbath. For fear of wanting food and clothing, they will join with the world in transgressing God’s law; and the earth will be wholly under my dominion.”

The man of sin has instituted a false sabbath, and the professed Christian world has adopted this child of the papacy, refusing to obey God. Thus Satan leads men and women in a direction opposite to the city of refuge; and by the multitudes who follow him, it is demonstrated that Adam and Eve are not the only ones who have accepted the words of the wily foe. The enemy of all good has turned the signpost round, so that it points to the path of disobedience as the path of happiness. He has insulted Jehovah by refusing to obey a “Thus saith the Lord.” He has thought to change times and laws (The Review and Herald, April 17, 1900).

Having now examined all three of the angel’s messages, it is evident, that none of them can be given without reference to, or even less to say about the papacy in relation to them, without silencing truth. To silence the truth, is to step into apostasy. I’m afraid there is no escaping the truth of the matter at hand. Regardless of how increasingly unpopular pointing out the truth in regards to the papacy and apostate Protestantism gets, God’s people are commissioned to give the final warning to the entire world. It is highly unlikely that in doing so, we could possibly have less to say about one of the very institutions lying right at the heart of the entire matter. We will now in the next chapter examine some more testimony from Mrs. White concerning the papacies role in the present and future events unfolding before us, and substantiate them with recent facts of history. All of which has and will continue to refute the idea that there is and will be less to say about the papacy in relation to biblical prophecy as time moves forward. As the writings of Ellen White herself which we have examined and will continue to examine, testify as well.
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Chapter 6

A Very Real and Present Danger

The Signs of the Times
June 30, 1898
Dangers which Threaten

Romanism is now regarded by Protestants with far greater favor than in former years. There is an increasing indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the reformed churches from the papal hierarchy; the opinion is gaining ground that, after all, we do not differ so widely upon vital points as has been supposed, and that a little concession on our part will bring us into a better understanding with Rome. The time was when Protestants placed a high value upon the liberty of conscience which has been so dearly purchased. They taught their children to abhor popery, and held that to remain at peace with Rome would be disloyalty to God. But how widely different are the sentiments now expressed!

The defenders of popery declare that she has been maligned; and the Protestant world is inclined to accept the statement. Many urge that it is unjust to judge the Romish Church of today by the abominations and absurdities that marked her reign during the centuries of ignorance and darkness. They excuse her horrible cruelty as the result of the barbarism of the times, and plead that civilization has changed her sentiments.

Have these persons forgotten the claim of infallibility for eight hundred years put forth by this haughty power? So far from relinquishing this claim, the church in the nineteenth century has affirmed it with greater positiveness than ever before. As Rome asserts that she has never erred, and never can err, how can she renounce the principles which governed her course in past ages?

The papal church will never relinquish her claim to infallibility. All that she has done in her persecution of those who reject her dogmas, she holds to be right; and would she not repeat the same acts, should the opportunity be presented? Let the restraints now imposed by secular governments be removed, and Rome be re-instated in her former power, and there would speedily be a revival of her tyranny and persecution.

It is true that there are real Christians in the Roman Catholic communion. Thousands in that church are serving God according to the best light they have. They are not allowed access to His Word, and therefore they do not discern the truth. They have never seen the contrast between a living heart-service and a round of mere forms and ceremonies. But God looks with pitying tenderness upon these souls, educated as they are in a faith that is delusive and unsatisfying. He will cause rays of light to penetrate the dense darkness that surrounds them. He will reveal to them the truth as it is in Jesus, and they will yet take their position with His people.

But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the Gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times. The Roman Church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operation. She is employing every device to extend her influence and increase her power in preparation for a fierce and determined conflict to regain control of the world, to re-establish persecution, and to undo all that Protestantism has done. Catholicism is gaining ground in our country upon every side. Look at the number of her churches and chapels. Look at her colleges and seminaries, so widely patronized by Protestants. These things should awaken the anxiety of all who prize the pure principles of the Gospel.

Protestants have tampered with and patronized popery; they have made compromises and concessions which papists themselves are surprised to see, and fail to understand. Men are closing their eyes to the real character of Romanism, and the dangers to be apprehended from her supremacy. The people of our land need to be aroused to resist the advances of this most dangerous foe to civil and religious liberty.

Many suppose that the Catholic religion is unattractive, and that its worship is a dull, stupid round of ceremony. Here they mistake. While Romanism is based upon deception, it is not a coarse and clumsy imposture. The religious service of the Romish Church is a most impressive ceremonial. Its gorgeous display and solemn rites fascinate the senses of the people, and silence the voice of reason and of conscience. The eye is charmed. Magnificent churches, imposing processions, golden altars, jeweled shrines, choice paintings, and exquisite sculpture appeal to the love of beauty. The ear also is captivated. There is nothing to excel the music. The rich notes of the deep-toned organ, blending with the melody of many voices as it swells through the lofty domes and pillared aisles of her grand cathedrals, can not fail to impress the mind with awe and reverence.

This outward splendor, pomp, and ceremony, that only mocks the longings of the sin-sick soul, is an evidence of inward corruption. The religion of Christ needs not such attractions to recommend it. In the light shining from the cross, true Christianity appears so pure and lovely that external decorations only hide its true worth. It is the beauty of holiness, a meek and quiet spirit, which is of value with God.

Brilliancy of style is not an index of pure, elevated thought. The highest conceptions of art, the most delicate refinement of taste, often spring from minds wholly earthly and sensual. They are often employed by Satan to lead men to forget the necessities of the soul, to lose sight of the future, immortal life, to turn away from their infinite Helper, and to live for this world alone.

A religion of externals is attractive to the unrenewed heart. The pomp and ceremony of the Catholic worship have a seductive, bewitching power by which many are deceived; and they come to look upon the Roman Church as the very gate of heaven. None are proof against her influence but those who have planted their feet firmly upon the foundation of truth, and whose hearts are renewed by the Spirit of God. Thousands who have not an experimental knowledge of Christ will be swept into this deception. A form of godliness without the power is just what they desire. The Romanist feels at liberty to sin, because the church claims the right to pardon. To him who loves self-indulgence, it is more pleasing to confess to a fellow-mortal than to open the soul to God. It is more palatable to human nature to do penance than to renounce sin. It is easier to mortify the flesh by sackcloth and nettles and galling chains than to crucify fleshly lusts. Heavy is the yoke which the carnal heart is willing to bear rather than bow to the yoke of Christ.

There is a striking similarity between the Church of Rome and the Jewish Church at the time of Christ’s first advent. While the Jews secretly trampled upon every principle of the law of God, they were outwardly rigorous in the observance of its precepts, loading it down with exactions and traditions that made obedience painful and burdensome. As the Jews professed to revere the law, so do Romanists claim to reverence the cross. They exalt the symbol of Christ’s sufferings, while in their lives they deny Him whom it represents.

Papists place crosses upon their churches, upon their altars, and upon their garments. Everywhere is seen the insignia of the cross. Everywhere it is outwardly honored and exalted. But the teachings of Christ are buried beneath a mass of senseless traditions, false interpretations, and rigorous exactions. The Saviour’s words concerning the bigoted Jews apply with still greater force to the Romish leaders: “They bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.”Conscientious souls are kept in constant terror, fearing the wrath of an offended God, while the dignitaries of the church are living in luxury and sensual pleasure.

Satan instigates the worship of images, the invocation of saints, and the exaltation of the pope, to attract the minds of the people from God and from His Son. To accomplish their ruin, he endeavors to turn their attention from Him through whom alone they can find salvation. He will direct them to any one that can be substituted for the One who has said, “Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.”

Mrs. E. G. White

The above testimony from Mrs. White, is very clear, concise, and to the point. Though there are many that might be offended by it, there is no escaping the truth of the matter for all honest students of the scriptures, history, and the practices and dogmas of the papacy in contrast and comparison to the same. This testimony was given over 130 years ago though. What has happened since then? How have things related to her above testimony changed since then?

Today, there are countless more Catholic Churches, schools, colleges, seminaries, hospitals, institutions, politicians, and peoples in this country, than when the above article was written. Is there any question then, that our nation has been increasingly under the influence, persuasion, and guiding force of the same since 1898? Our Constitutional rights, protections, and freedoms have been diminishing at the same time that their numbers and influence have been steadily increasing. Shall we assume that there is no connection, when the voices of our Protestant forefathers, the scriptures themselves, the spirit of prophecy, and our own denomination have all testified to the contrary. As we ever increasingly approach the dragon like form of our nation while leaving the lamb behind, shall we now proclaim there is no longer much of anything to say about the papacy in relation to the same? As the world speeds toward a globalist society and the establishment of the final beast of biblical prophecy in relation to the same, is the papacy really less involved now than she was in the past? Absolutely not!

In the last 30 to 40 years the Vatican has more than doubled the number of countries she entertains ambassadors from. The last I counted, I believe the total was 183 states or countries. This is not to mention her participation in or with Intergovernmental Organizations and Bodies and International Programmes, including: UN, UNOG, UNOV, UNHCR, UNCTAD, WIPO, IAEA, OPCW, CTBTO, ICMM, FAO, ILO, WHO, UNESCO, UNIDO, IFAD, UNWTO, WMO, WTO, UNDP, UN-HABITAT, UNEP, WFP, INTOSAI, CIEC, UL, OSCE, CE, AU, AOS, LAS, AALCO, AND UNIDROIT. Or her participation in various International and Intergovernmental Organizations, including: UPU, ITU, IGC, ITSO, EUTELSAT IGO, CEPTE, and the IISA.  She has a major political influence on a global scale. Many nations have signed accords and other political manifestoes with her throughout history. Her social doctrine and teachings are gaining ground and influence all over the world, and are ever increasing in our own nation while it seems to be completely overhauling itself. Yet so many today, even among Seventh Day Adventists, seem to be at a loss about what is happening.

The United States of America and its form of government were brought about by Providence. Our Constitutional rights and liberties were the realization of mature Protestant political principles built upon the word of God. After centuries of political strife, war, persecution, and total abuse within and from predominantly Catholic countries, politicians, and governments, freedom was founded in the new world. There was little Roman Catholic influence upon the formation of our government and Constitution. Between the Protestants and atheists, rationalists, or secularists, which ever title more aptly defines this political child of the papacy berthed in France, there was little tolerance from either for Roman Catholicism in the establishment of our nation.

Both groups having suffered tremendously under papal influenced governments, had rejected the same. Protestants by the biblical principle of separation of church and state, and atheists or rationalists by the rejection of religion altogether, and therefore also any involvement of the same in politics. Many of the founding fathers could even be called anti-Catholic. This was the atmosphere that prevailed at the founding of our nation, and the development of our government for the people and by the people. The lessons finally learned from a long bloody trail throughout history brought our founding fathers to the conclusive establishment of separation of church and state.

Some Catholics were no doubt truly converted to the idea of separation of church and state, and thus gladly gave their support to the idea of religious liberty. Others no doubt only did what the papacy generally does in nations where she has little influence or political clout, supporting the idea of religious liberty in order to have the freedom to pursue their own course. Which course and purposes history has proved, are to the opposite effect where ever she has the power and influence to bring this about. She will support religious freedom when it is to her benefit, but she does not, and will not support separation of church and state where ever she is established.

Only one Catholic signed the Declaration of Independence, Charles Carroll. Only one signed the Articles of Confederation, Daniel Carroll. Only two signed the Constitution, Daniel Carroll and Thomas Fitzsimons. There was one Catholic senator out of twenty nine in the first congress, and two Catholic representatives out of 66, thus three altogether. There were no Catholic members of the Supreme Court during its first fifty years, until 1836 when Roger B. Taney was appointed. Biden is only the second Catholic President of our nation, and there were no Catholic Vice Presidents until recent years. As is obvious then, their influence was very minimal and closely scrutinized during the formation, establishment, and execution of the Federal government of our nation.

Presently, Catholics compose approximately 1/3 of our Congress, give or take a few for several years now.  Six or seven out of nine members of our Supreme Court I do believe, are Catholic. This is astonishing, since there were none during the Supreme Court’s first fifty years, and until recent years had been only 11 altogether. President Biden is of course Catholic, and has publicly expressed his intention to work closely with the present Jesuit Pope of Rome. Many of his cabinet in key positions are as well, who have also publicly expressed their intentions to cooperate with the Pope of Rome. One of our fairly recent members of Congress, worked with other Catholic members to bring the present Jesuit Pope of Rome to politically address our entire Congress in session, which he did. Stating later that it was one of his life long goals to accomplish this task. Of course he did not run for Congress upon that platform, or likely let anyone else in on that little secret, save others of like mind I suppose.

What conclusion can be drawn from the above observations concerning a major increase of Catholic influence upon our government since its original establishment. All three branches of our Federal government created to maintain a balance of power, have a majority Catholic presence and therefore influence. Reagan, reestablished diplomatic ties to the Vatican years ago, which has brought their influence ever closer to every one of these Catholic politicians, and all others as well. Any one paying attention can see that our Presidents, Congress, and Supreme Court Justices certainly move much more freely regarding communication with, and about the Vatican than would have once been tolerated without suspicion in our nation. To the contrary, many may be seen paying  personal visits to the Vatican. If time were to allow, what would one find regarding the makeup of cabinet members, and staffs of the Federal government? What would one find regarding state and more localized government?

Apart from this also, there is the ever increasing voice, influence, and even personal contact of the Bishops and leaders of the Church of Rome with our politicians, addressing ever increasing issues. Of course it is often the intent of false religion, and or apostate “Christianity” to entangle itself enough in the affairs of government, to intrude upon the same in hopes of gaining control of it. Obama care was a prime example of the same. It was heavily backed by the papacy and Catholics of this country, being closely in line with Roman Catholic social doctrine and teaching regarding health care.

Who can forget the infamous words of Roman Catholic Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who said we have to pass the bill, so we can find out what is in it. They helped pass it, because its idea was in line with their own social doctrine and teaching. They didn’t care how many Americans didn’t want it because they thought it to be un- Constitutional and a power grab by the government. What is this now though, compared to Climate Change politics, mass voter fraud, Covid-19 lockdowns, mask mandates, Vaccine passports, open boarders, and on and on. Petty tyrants bypassing the Constitution at every turn with no reference or recourse to the same in all different levels of government. They have been and are shredding our Constitution to bits. Much if not all with the support of the Pope of Rome. Who openly attacks and hates Capitalism, and calls for grass root organizations to protest for radical societal change during plandemics which have already weakened the nation. Make no mistake about it, they have no problem implementing Roman Catholic social doctrine and teaching through legislation effecting all, even against their will. The weakening of this nation along with all others of course, simply being the fruition of her own admitted agenda of established global equity.

Frustrating as these events are, they should be no surprise to anyone familiar with the political intrigue, aspirations, and history of the Church of Rome. An investigation into just who has proposed and supported so many un-Constitutional bills for legislation would no doubt be very revealing. This much is certainly true about the Catholic influence in our government, if it has not been directly behind much of what is going on, it certainly has done nothing to prevent it. The fact that if coordinated, they represent the largest single block of power within the same effecting all three branches, is highly suggestive of direct involvement through intentional support, or the support of decided indifference and apathy. In any case, the spiraling downfall of our nation has been concurrent to the ever increasing number of Catholics and Catholic politicians within the same, who are themselves no doubt far more entertaining of papal guidance and influence than others. Nevertheless, all of us who have sat by and witnessed the same without any effort of resistance are guilty as well of the ruin of our nation. It is without question, our societies ever increasing abandonment of the moral authority of the Holy scriptures, which has left us in the present condition of chaos, confusion, and division we now experience.   

For the true student of the bible though, bible prophecy, and historical fulfillment of the same, this is a no-brainer. We have the testimony of the scriptures themselves regarding the religio-political nature of the Roman institution committing spiritual fornication with the kings of the earth. We have the testimony of the Protestant Reformers regarding the same, and the total abuse of humanity brought about by it. Let’s not forget of course the testimony of the Spirit of Prophecy spoken through Mrs. White also, concerning the exact intent of the institution under examination, and the evidence we have just examined concerning the same. We have the testimony of history regarding the papacies constant entanglement with the politics and economies of this world, including Feudalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism, interventionism and the redistributive state, liberation theology, and most recently Chinese Communism(See Ecclesiastical Megalomania, by John W. Robbins).

This being the case, it seems remarkable to the writer, that the idea that there is and will be less to say about the papacy in relation to the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, is being suggested from our pulpits. In any case, let us now begin to look at some of just what the papacy is saying, in the next chapters.

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Chapter 7

Political Instruction for Catholics

In this chapter we will be examining statements from the document quoted below, my comments again are in blue. (Note - The document quoted and addressed below, as well as other papal documents and Encyclicals that will be examined in proceeding chapters, may be viewed easily online by a basic search and selection of the many links providing the same. The Catholic Church does to hide her intentions from the world, to the contrary, she publishes them for all to see. Those who remain ignorant of the same, either care not, or choose not to know.)

Catholic Politicians

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

Excerpts from
DOCTRINAL NOTE
 on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life


The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, having received the opinion of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, has decided that it would be appropriate to publish the present Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life. This Note is directed to the Bishops of the Catholic Church and, in a particular way, to Catholic politicians and all lay members of the faithful called to participate in the political life of democratic societies.

I. A constant teaching
1. The commitment of Christians in the world has found a variety of expressions in the course of the past 2000 years. One such expression has been Christian involvement in political life: Christians, as one Early Church writer stated, play their full role as citizen. Among the saints, the Church venerates many men and women who served God through their generous commitment to politics and government. Among these, Saint Thomas More, who was proclaimed Patron of Statesmen and Politicians, gave witness by his martyrdom to the inalienable dignity of the human conscience. Though subjected to various forms of psychological pressure, Saint Thomas More refused to compromise, never forsaking the constant fidelity to legitimate authority and institutions which distinguished him; he taught by his life and his death that man cannot be separated from God, nor politics from morality.

“St” Thomas More died defending the supremacy of the Pope over the Church in England. He fought against having the scriptures translated into English, and was instrumental in the processes which finally lead to having William Tyndale burned at the stake for doing just that. He was responsible for others also being burned at the stake and or flogged for supposed crimes of religious disagreement. Yet he is not only a saint of the Roman Catholic Church, but was made the Patron Saint of Politicians by the church, and is set forth at the beginning of this document as a fine, saintly example of Catholic participation in political life. This in and of itself should send up many red flags and danger signals. It is certainly worthy of note that this man is chosen and set forth as an example of proper “Participation of Catholics in Political Life”.

By fulfilling their civic duties, guided by a Christian conscience, in conformity with its values, the lay faithful exercise their proper task of infusing the temporal order with Christian values, all the while respecting the nature and rightful autonomy of that order, and cooperating with other citizens according to their particular competence and responsibility. The consequence of this fundamental teaching of the Second Vatican Council is that the lay faithful are never to relinquish their participation in ‘public life’, that is, in the many different economic, social, legislative, administrative and cultural areas, which are intended to promote organically and institutionally the common good.This would include the promotion and defence of goods such as public order and peace, freedom and equality, respect for human life and for the environment, justice and solidarity.

The “Christian values” promoted above, would again of course be Roman Catholic values.  The logical conclusion of the above then, is that of the lay faithful implementing the political ideology, or social doctrine of the Church in government. The concern for every thinking individual should be, how closely will that scenario align with the actual establishment of the same situation during the dark ages, and more recently the political alignments of the Church of Rome with Nazi Germany and Mussolini in Italy. 

The term common good in the above needs to be addressed, since the term is used so very  often by the Church of Rome. All political aims and goals should work toward the common good. This sounds great, but just exactly who is determining what the common good is?  Who will define what the common good is, which Rome intends the political structures of this world to dole out to the same?  She herself is continuously referring to, and defining the same.  Even claiming the role of the purifier of reason in relation to the common good.


II. Central points in the current cultural and political debate

The growth in the sense of responsibility towards countries still on the path of development is without doubt an important sign, illustrative of a greater sensitivity to the common good. At the same time, however, one cannot close one’s eyes to the real dangers which certain tendencies in society are promoting through legislation, nor can one ignore the effects this will have on future generations. A kind of cultural relativism exists today, evident in the conceptualization and defence of an ethical pluralism, which sanctions the decadence and disintegration of reason and the principles of the natural moral law. Furthermore, it is not unusual to hear the opinion expressed in the public sphere that such ethical pluralism is the very condition for democracy. As a result, citizens claim complete autonomy with regard to their moral choices, and lawmakers maintain that they are respecting this freedom of choice by enacting laws which ignore the principles of natural ethics and yield to ephemeral cultural and moral trends, as if every possible outlook on life were of equal value. At the same time, the value of tolerance is disingenuously invoked when a large number of citizens, Catholics among them, are asked not to base their contribution to society and political life – through the legitimate means available to everyone in a democracy – on their particular understanding of the human person and the common good. The history of the twentieth century demonstrates that those citizens were right who recognized the falsehood of relativism, and with it, the notion that there is no moral law rooted in the nature of the human person, which must govern our understanding of man, the common good and the state.

What is the above argument, but that the different outlooks upon life, and their political eventualities are not all equal.  While one can easily agree upon this point, the real point of the above is of course, that Roman Catholic reason and sense of the common good is superior to all others.  This to the point that we should be allowing them to be the main contributor or purifier of reason and the common good.  As we will see, when we examine DEUS CARITAS EST, the Catholic church believes “it is the place of the Church to determine more precisely "the just ordering of society", and to purify reason for the state in order for it to properly operate.”

While there are many political ideologies with definite amoral leanings to be dealt with, it would be a serious mistake to politically align with, and submit to the church of Rome in combatting the same.  No political entity on earth has a longer, bloodier, and disreputable past from which to be warned against the dangers of allowing it once again to gain political power and control over nations and peoples. There is a real danger in its present course of mobilizing and rekindling the political ambitions of the large numbers of politicians and citizens within democratic societies, under her direct guidance and supervision. Is this not exactly what we have been warned about in all that we have examined in the previous chapters? Is this not exactly what this country and world are presently experiencing with radical societal changes as her power and influence having been increasing, while she has been calling for these exact changes?

What exactly is the moral authority and natural law she is calling for? She does not refer to the law of God, or the scriptures concerning such. No but, “natural moral law”, or “moral law rooted in the nature of the human person”. One guess as to who defines this extra biblical natural law rooted in the nature of the human person, for everyone else. Authentic Christianity of course, calls for conversion and submission to divine law revealed in the Holy scriptures of God. This institution which has infamously warred against the authority of the Holy scriptures throughout her history, was instrumental in having Bibles removed from the schools of our nation long ago. She has been very busy replacing the moral authority taught within it, with her own, to our present day. Nor will she relinquish this battle against God’s word as a higher authority in this world than her own. Which battle itself is one of the main contributors to the present condition of our world so very many are lamenting. Nevertheless, few there be that will admit or understand of such.
 

3. Such relativism, of course, has nothing to do with the legitimate freedom of Catholic citizens to choose among the various political opinions that are compatible with faith and the natural moral law, and to select, according to their own criteria, what best corresponds to the needs of the common good. Political freedom is not – and cannot be – based upon the relativistic idea that all conceptions of the human person’s good have the same value and truth, but rather, on the fact that politics are concerned with very concrete realizations of the true human and social good in given historical, geographic, economic, technological and cultural contexts. 

As already stated, the church of Rome itself reserves the right to rightly define the common good and or the natural moral law, and purify reason in regards to the same.  As the above clearly states, Catholic citizens are to choose and thus also support those political opinions which are compatible with their faith and natural law, which themselves are defined for them by the church.  Once again we are informed that not all “conceptions of the human person’s good have the same value and truth”.  For the Catholic of course, the churches conception of the same, is superior. Never mind the Holy scriptures or God’s law, this is not the faith she promulgates.

The article then refers to politics concern with concrete realizations of the true human and social good in given historical, geographic, economic, technological and cultural contexts.  Again, who is defining these concrete realizations? The Catholic church is in complete denial of the true extent of its totally abusive history when kings and queens and governments of the past actually did submit to its economic and political thought. Nor do the vast majority of the countless Catholic citizens it is calling into action to re-establish its authority over the same once again, really know of this history. Being raised with Roman Catholic revisionist history alone, as their teacher. I have conversed many times with Roman Catholics that completely deny or ignore all historical facts presented to them by sources outside of their own church as false and lies. This is what can be expected by these, who intend to take over democratic societies by their large numbers and vast political influence with the kings and governments of this world.

All of the concrete realities mentioned in the above, would be and are being effected by the same. Nothing is more clearly revealed by history in relation to the Roman Catholic church, than her willingness when she has the numbers or sheer political strength to do so, to completely dominate all areas of life. Or join hands with other political powers intent upon the same, as she has been and is doing right now.


It is not the Church’s task to set forth specific political solutions – and even less to propose a single solution as the acceptable one – to temporal questions that God has left to the free and responsible judgment of each person. It is, however, the Church’s right and duty to provide a moral judgment on temporal matters when this is required by faith or the moral law. If Christians must recognize the legitimacy of differing points of view about the organization of worldly affairs, they are also called to reject, as injurious to democratic life, a conception of pluralism that reflects moral relativism. Democracy must be based on the true and solid foundation of non-negotiable ethical principles, which are the underpinning of life in society.

Where is this right, duty, or responsibility of the church defined or outlined for us in the Holy scriptures? It is not. Nor is it the right, duty, or moral obligation of Christ’s church to purify reason and define the common good for the various political entities of this world, in this day or any other. We have already seen in the pages of history, what this leads to. The churches involvement in the politics of this world does not lead to the purification of the same, but rather to the complete corruption of the church. This is the history that Roman Catholicism denies both in historical content, and present practice. Which very thing itself completely disqualifies her as a purifying and competent reasoning entity upon the politics of this world.

On the level of concrete political action, there can generally be a plurality of political parties in which Catholics may exercise – especially through legislative assemblies – their right and duty to contribute to the public life of their country.

What is the purpose of legislative assemblies, but to create and pass laws.  Does the following sound familiar -

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Is it not obvious, that the above admonition from the Pope applies to all the Catholic members of all three branches of our federal government?  All of whom, have been summoned by the Pope to implement “the Church’s right and duty to provide a moral judgment on temporal matters”.  All have been called to help politically implement the purifying of reason, and establishment of the common good as defined by the church of Rome within this country. Not to mention every other country in the world. Which is exactly what we are seeing take place within our country and world right now. Which any Bible believing Christian knows full well, has nothing at all to do with the establishment of God’s word or Christ’s teachings among the masses of humanity.


The legitimate plurality of temporal options is at the origin of the commitment of Catholics to politics and relates directly to Christian moral and social teaching. It is in the light of this teaching that lay Catholics must assess their participation in political life so as to be sure that it is marked by a coherent responsibility for temporal reality.
The Church recognizes that while democracy is the best expression of the direct participation of citizens in political choices, it succeeds only to the extent that it is based on a correct understanding of the human person. Catholic involvement in political life cannot compromise on this principle, for otherwise the witness of the Christian faith in the world, as well as the unity and interior coherence of the faithful, would be non-existent.

[coor=blue]What a mouthful. Isn’t it wonderful how simple and to the point papal documents are?  Forgive my sarcasm. Nothing could be more obvious from their documents, it seems to me, that the Popes are far more the politician, than religious leaders that wish to simplify and declare religious truth.

The correct understanding of the human person mentioned above, which dictates a Catholics “involvement in political life” is defined by the church of Rome, of course. Which again, is nothing but to say that Rome is in charge of the political life of its members, and its members should seek to establish that political life in whatever government or nation they find themselves. Which simply means that Rome should be running that government, and all governments in which Catholics are a majority, or simply capable of making such take place.  Nothing new here, Rome intends to rule the world through its vast numbers or political intrigue.

What is new in the above statement, is the assertion that without Catholic involvement in political life directed by the churches understanding of the human person, “the unity and interior coherence of the faithful, would be non-existent.” Wow! This is basically admitting, that without its involvement in the politics of this world, the Roman Catholic church would not exist.  That is very significant, since there is no admonition in new covenant scripture anywhere, to involve Christ’s church in the politics of this world. To the contrary, they testify to the exact opposite state of being for the truly faithful.[/color]

Matt 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God’s.

The two are to be kept separate always. This for the most obvious of reasons. I will simply state the word POLITICIAN, and ask you to think of the first thing that enters your mind, and we will leave it at that.

In this context, it must be noted also that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals. The Christian faith is an integral unity, and thus it is incoherent to isolate some particular element to the detriment of the whole of Catholic doctrine. A political commitment to a single isolated aspect of the Church’s social doctrine does not exhaust one’s responsibility towards the common good. Nor can a Catholic think of delegating his Christian responsibility to others; rather, the Gospel of Jesus Christ gives him this task, so that the truth about man and the world might be proclaimed and put into action.

More of the same. Catholics are to support the church fully, without deviating from her proscribed course, concerning political action in democratic societies. They are most certainly to put their faith, that is the mandates of the church into political action. I ask again, where is this mandate found in the New Testament scriptures. It is not. There is no commission to run this world, but rather to call those in it, out of it. That they might prepare to live in the next world and meet their God. The world will not be converted through politics or any other means, the scriptures do not teach this anywhere. God’s own will be converted out of this world, and its mindset which is at odds with the government of God.

When political activity comes up against moral principles that do not admit of exception, compromise or derogation, the Catholic commitment becomes more evident and laden with responsibility. In the face of fundamental and inalienable ethical demands, Christians must recognize that what is at stake is the essence of the moral law, which concerns the integral good of the human person.

One must ask, what exactly is an inalienable ethical demand? While we all have no doubt heard of inalienable rights, what on earth is an inalienable demand. Unless it be the demand for one’s rights, but it certainly cannot be for one’s right to force their demands upon those who disagree with them.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”(The Declaration of Independence)

Inalienable : incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred  *inalienable rights*

I can only think of one being that could actually claim to have inalienable ethical demands, and that of course would be God. It is no wonder then, that the Church of Rome would claim this for themselves also.

While it is not the intention of the writer to suggest that all “Christians” should be completely removed from the realm of politics, it is most certainly my purpose to point out the historical testimony regarding the dangers of allowing any religion a preferred prominence within the same. Our Founding Fathers rightly identified this danger, and thus put effectual barriers in place to prevent the recurrence of what is rightly called the Dark Ages because there were no barriers to prevent it in the past. Many of We The People are Christians, and our voices should be heard, but certainly should not dominate the lives of others against their will concerning church teachings, doctrines, political or economic ideologies. Even if they are social teachings and doctrines. It is a fine line that must always be diligently watched and safeguarded against usurpation by corrupt power seeking religious institutions, individuals, or otherwise. The Church of Rome having demonstrated throughout history that she is just such an institution, should be scrutinized the more in relation to the same.

I submit the above examination as yet another evidence, that the conclusions drawn in previous chapters are correct. We can believe the testimonies of the bible, history, the Reformers, and the Spirit of Prophecy in relation to the papacies intricate involvement in fulfilling biblical prophecy throughout history, at present, and into the future until the very end. Without question, a heavily Vatican influenced government being manipulated to carry out her will through the sheer number of politicians belonging to her fold supporting the same, constitutes the repudiation of the Protestant principles this nation was built upon. Which is what we are experiencing right now. If there really is going to be less to say, it will only be because we refuse to speak it. Let us move on to the examination of another papal document addressing things of a global nature in the next chapters.
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Chapter 8

The Common Good, The Unification of Humanity, and Humanism

Excerpts from
ENCYCLICAL LETTER 
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILLON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

The next few chapters will be an examination of the above titled Encyclical

I would like to consider two of these in particular, of special relevance to the commitment to development in an increasingly globalized society: justice and the common good........................

7. Another important consideration is the common good. To love someone is to desire that person's good and to take effective steps to secure it. Besides the good of the individual, there is a good that is linked to living in society: the common good. It is the good of “all of us”, made up of individuals, families and intermediate groups who together constitute society[4]. It is a good that is sought not for its own sake, but for the people who belong to the social community and who can only really and effectively pursue their good within it. To desire the common good and strive towards it is a requirement of justice and charity. To take a stand for the common good is on the one hand to be solicitous for, and on the other hand to avail oneself of, that complex of institutions that give structure to the life of society, juridically, civilly, politically and culturally, making it the pólis, or “city”. The more we strive to secure a common good corresponding to the real needs of our neighbours, the more effectively we love them. Every Christian is called to practise this charity, in a manner corresponding to his vocation and according to the degree of influence he wields in the pólis. This is the institutional path — we might also call it the political path — of charity, no less excellent and effective than the kind of charity which encounters the neighbour directly, outside the institutional mediation of the pólis. When animated by charity, commitment to the common good has greater worth than a merely secular and political stand would have. Like all commitment to justice, it has a place within the testimony of divine charity that paves the way for eternity through temporal action. Man's earthly activity, when inspired and sustained by charity, contributes to the building of the universal city of God, which is the goal of the history of the human family. In an increasingly globalized society, the common good and the effort to obtain it cannot fail to assume the dimensions of the whole human family, that is to say, the community of peoples and nations[5], in such a way as to shape the earthly city in unity and peace, rendering it to some degree an anticipation and a prefiguration of the undivided city of God.

As already mentioned in the previous chapter, the phrase the common good is often repeated in this and many other papal documents. What it means is defined and revealed by the papacy itself, and thus all who proscribe to it, submit to her authority concerning it. It also obviously is in contrast to individual inalienable rights, and may most probably be more in line with what the papacy calls inalienable ethical demands. It leans apparently towards collectivism, rather than individualism, and therefore also toward Socialism or even Communism over and above Capitalism. Placing it also in contrast to the basic building blocks of this once great nation, built upon Protestant principles of individual rights, government for the people by the people, and the economic freedom of Capitalism as well. This, as the present Pope so often demonstrates.

According to Rome then, the goal of the history of the human family, is to unite in building a prefiguration of the undivided city of God. This would be under her direction of course, concerning the establishment of the common good, according as she defines and reveals the same. I seem to have missed this one in the Bible. I see nothing in the same to the effect that all the various religions, including of course then the false ones, and governments, and tribes, and kindred of the earth will unite to form the undivided city of God. In fact, the scriptures do testify of God’s direct miraculous intervention to prevent the premature unification of humanity in rebellion against Him, at the tower of Babel. The testimony of scripture is quite clear that only shortly before the end, will God allow humanity to accomplish this rebellious act against HIm. God’s true people being delivered from the unavoidable effects of the same, only at the last moment from the wrath of a world united in rebellion against Him.

It should be obvious then to all and any serious bible students, that what is being suggested and as a matter of fact established in this world through the papacy and those who cooperate with her, is that exact rebellion against God, His government, and His people foretold in the same. The real city that is being formed under the direction of the papacy which encompasses the entire world, is conclusively identified in the prophecies of the bible. Observe the following.


Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, 18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

We have already identified the papacy from various sources as that institution represented in biblical prophecy by the name of BABYLON THE GREAT. It is that great earthly city of  biblical prophecy which apposes God and His government. This in direct contrast to the spiritual city and kingdom of God on earth who submit to the same, the sons and daughters of Abraham who look for a city whose builder and founder is God(Heb. 11:8-10). The city of the above prophecies is said to be attached to all the cities of the nations, all nations, kings, leaders, merchants, ships, sailors, musicians, slaves and souls, and in other scriptures peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues of the earth(Rev. 17:15). Thus by the papacies own admission and efforts described in the document we are examining, she is that great city orchestrating and commanding the building of the same through the unification of all humanity outside of and in direct contradiction to the teachings and authority of God.

While it is certainly Christian to seriously consider the common good of all, one must remember that this common good will and is being defined by Rome. Whom intends that her “Christian” vision of the same be brought about through temporal authorities, legislation, and enforcement, all contradicting New Testament teaching. I wonder what happens to those who disagree with Rome’s vision and establishment of the common good? Her long abusive and bloody history is unfortunately a clear indication of where we are headed. There is no good reason to think that the results of this political shift of power to the papacy, will have any different result than it already has in the past. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that a definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting different results every time?


Now that a further twenty years have passed, I express my conviction that Populorum Progressio deserves to be considered “the Rerum Novarum of the present age”, shedding light upon humanity's journey towards unity.

Again, what unity of humanity is being referred to in the above statement. The bible does not predict the unity of humanity. It predicts the unity of believers, and the eventual unity of all others being deceived into worshipping the image of the first beast, and forcing this false worship upon all. Thus becoming the enemy of God, His government, and His people.

The risk for our time is that the de facto interdependence of people and nations is not matched by ethical interaction of consciences and minds that would give rise to truly human development. Only in charity, illumined by the light of reason and faith, is it possible to pursue development goals that possess a more humane and humanizing value.

Fidelity to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom (cf. Jn 8:32) and of the possibility of integral human development. For this reason the Church searches for truth, proclaims it tirelessly and recognizes it wherever it is manifested. This mission of truth is something that the Church can never renounce. Her social doctrine is a particular dimension of this proclamation: it is a service to the truth which sets us free. Open to the truth, from whichever branch of knowledge it comes, the Church's social doctrine receives it, assembles into a unity the fragments in which it is often found, and mediates it within the constantly changing life-patterns of the society of peoples and nations[12].

Ah yes, the Church of Rome, definer and interpreter of the common good, and truth for all. Seeking to give rise to “truly human development” and “developing goals that posses a more humane and humanizing value“.  Funny, I thought Christianity was about truly divine development of our fallen human natures, to that more like the life of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Developing goals of a more divine and godly value.

The first is that the whole Church, in all her being and acting — when she proclaims, when she celebrates, when she performs works of charity — is engaged in promoting integral human development. She has a public role over and above her charitable and educational activities: all the energy she brings to the advancement of humanity and of universal fraternity is manifested when she is able to operate in a climate of freedom. In not a few cases, that freedom is impeded by prohibitions and persecutions, or it is limited when the Church's public presence is reduced to her charitable activities alone. The second truth is that authentic human development concerns the whole of the person in every single dimension.

It is easy to understand Rome’s desire for freedom and why she will defend the same for herself and others where she does not have it. How else can she exercise her “public role over and above her charitable and educational activities: all the energy she brings to the advancement of humanity and of universal fraternity”. The problem of course is in just exactly what her role above and beyond charity and education actually entails. Which is her quest to establish her social doctrines, teachings, and eventually dogmas upon all through legislation wherever she is given this freedom she desires, to do so. Thereby removing the very freedom she herself demands for herself from all others who do not have her same vision. 

The Church's social doctrine illuminates with an unchanging light the new problems that are constantly emerging[22]. This safeguards the permanent and historical character of the doctrinal “patrimony”[23] which, with its specific characteristics, is part and parcel of the Church's ever-living Tradition[24]. Social doctrine is built on the foundation handed on by the Apostles to the Fathers of the Church, and then received and further explored by the great Christian doctors.

Is this the same illumination the world has witnessed during the papacies long bloody and abusive trail throughout history? Where are we supposed to find a record of this supposed illuminating effect upon the social aspects of peoples and nations? This thing exists only in the imagination of the leaders of the papacy, and in the minds of the ignorant who will not examine the facts of history in relation to the same. The papacy brought us the “Christian” state, in which the power of the Holy Spirit of God by way of conviction, was replaced by the power of the temporal sword by way of force. Leaving estimates ranging from 50 to 125 million murdered souls over a period of more than a thousand years. Is this the illumination spoken of above? No I think not. Perhaps it is found in Rome’s political relations and support of Nazi Germany or maybe Mussolini. Not very likely. Shall we go on? Just where has this illuminating influence demonstrated itself for us in the pages of history?

13. In addition to its important link with the entirety of the Church's social doctrine, Populorum Progressio is closely connected to the overall magisterium of Paul VI, especially his social magisterium. His was certainly a social teaching of great importance: he underlined the indispensable importance of the Gospel for building a society according to freedom and justice, in the ideal and historical perspective of a civilization animated by love. Paul VI clearly understood that the social question had become worldwide [25] and he grasped the interconnection between the impetus towards the unification of humanity and the Christian ideal of a single family of peoples in solidarity and fraternity.[/b] In the notion of development, understood in human and Christian terms, he identified the heart of the Christian social message, and he proposed Christian charity as the principal force at the service of development.

Since when is the purpose of Christianity the unification of humanity into a single family of peoples in solidarity and fraternity? Are all of these peoples going to give up their false religions, philosophies, politics, ideologies, and practices and become followers of Jesus Christ? Is this even expected? Will they all become Roman Catholic, will that save them? What does any of this have to do with the teachings of the holy scriptures? It means nothing other than the fulfillment of biblical prophecy in relation to the unification of this entire world in rebellion against God. This is what the papacy represents, and is seeking to establish. How can it be, that we will have less to say about the fulfillment of biblical prophecy going on right in front of our eyes?

2Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

We are here to extend the invitation of the gospel of Jesus Christ to all in this world, not to join them in some kind of unified confusion of amalgamated religions, ideologies, philosophies, and politics under the guiding influence of Babylon the Great. This is how she came about in the first place, during the convulsions of the declining Roman Empire. While we are not here to condemn the world, we most certainly are forbidden from joining with it in rebellion against God by beliefs and actions which contradict His most basic commands. Or lending any kind of credence to the same. All who compromise the truth to such an extent, will have no part in the kingdom of heaven.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

There is no possible way that some form of unified humanity, encompassing all the religions, philosophies, ideologies and politics of this world could ever be considered by God, a fit representation of the city of God. To the contrary, it would and will only represent the city of the prince of this world, the devil himself. The rightful father of lies and all confusion, the real leader also of Babylon the Great.

15. Two further documents by Paul VI without any direct link to social doctrine — the Encyclical Humanae Vitae (25 July 1968) and the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Nuntiandi (8 December 1975) — are highly important for delineating the fully human meaning of the development that the Church proposes. It is therefore helpful to consider these texts too in relation to HYPERLINK "http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_26031967_populorum_en.html"Populorum Progressio.

At least the above quote is a confession that the development which the papacy is proposing is fully human, and thus not of God. Though I am sure this is not their intention. Nevertheless, the statement is true.

[44], but only on Christ, to whom every authentic vocation to integral human development must be directed. The Gospel is fundamental for development, because in the Gospel, Christ, “in the very revelation of the mystery of the Father and of his love, fully reveals humanity to itself”[45]. Taught by her Lord, the Church examines the signs of the times and interprets them, offering the world “what she possesses as her characteristic attribute: a global vision of man and of the human race”[46]. Precisely because God gives a resounding “yes” to man[47], man cannot fail to open himself to the divine vocation to pursue his own development. The truth of development consists in its completeness: if it does not involve the whole man and every man, it is not true development. This is the central message of Populorum Progressio, valid for today and for all time. Integral human development on the natural plane, as a response to a vocation from God the Creator[48], demands self-fulfilment in a “transcendent humanism which gives [to man] his greatest possible perfection: this is the highest goal of personal development”[49]. The Christian vocation to this development therefore applies to both the natural plane and the supernatural plane; which is why, “when God is eclipsed, our ability to recognize the natural order, purpose and the ‘good' begins to wane”[50].

What more can be said concerning the true identity of the papacy, its main purpose, and intentions regarding the same? In her own words, her “characteristic attribute” is the global vision and unity of the human race. Not toward developing more divine like attributes within humanity, but rather in the “fulfillment” of a “transcendent humanism” claimed as the highest goal of possible perfection. The plan is to unite all humanity to stand as one at the apex of truly human development. The accomplishment of this will lead to nothing less than the reaping of the clusters of this earth to be “cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God”(Rev 14:18-20). The papacy is that institution which will oversee the maturation of the harvest of this earth for its reaping and thus destruction at the second coming. The fully united and developed human race in rebellion against God, His Commandments, and His government.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


The first harvest reaped above in verses 14-16 is the harvest of God’s planting, the wheat. It has reached its maturity and is ripened by the giving of the three angels messages to the entire world. Which message contains:

The everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ, which includes a call back to the worship of the true creator, who is Jesus Christ, on the day He sanctified for that very purpose at creation.

 A warning against the complete fall of that great city Babylon, by way of her fornication with the kings of the earth, making all nations drink of her corrupting wine. Thus the subsequent call of Rev. 18 to all of God’s people to come out of her before His return.

The most fearful warning in all scripture regarding not worshipping the beast and his image, or receiving its mark. The beast which is formed by the intoxicating wine which Babylon makes all nations drink of.

(Rev. 14:6-12). The first harvest is composed of those who are called the saints, who are said to keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus (Rev.14:12). This event is the resurrection and the rapture depicted in 1 Thess. 4:16-18.

The second harvest to be reaped will be unified humanity in rebellion against God under the leadership of Babylon the Great, as being described and orchestrated in the papal documents we have been and will continue to examine. These will have rejected the everlasting gospel and call back to the correct worship of their creator as He commanded, will have remained within Babylon by adhering to her teachings and submitting to her leadership, and will worship the beast and his image as a result of the same. They are the harvest of this earth, which will be destroyed at Christ’s second coming. They will have rejected the three angels messages, and unified under the banner of Rome in defiance of God. They will have chosen that which is fully human and fallen, over that which was offered to them, which was fully divine and redemptive in and through the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


Hence, in the pursuit of development, there is a need for “the deep thought and reflection of wise men in search of a new humanism which will enable modern man to find himself anew”[51].

The importance of this goal is such as to demand our openness to understand it in depth and to mobilize ourselves at the level of the “heart”, so as to ensure that current economic and social processes evolve towards fully human outcomes.



all this leads us today to reflect on the measures that would be necessary to provide a solution to problems that are not only new in comparison to those addressed by Pope Paul VI, but also, and above all, of decisive impact upon the present and future good of humanity. The different aspects of the crisis, its solutions, and any new development that the future may bring, are increasingly interconnected, they imply one another, they require new efforts of holistic understanding and a new humanistic synthesis.

Can anyone please show me any of the above ideology promoted in scripture anywhere at all? Could it be any clearer that papal reasoning and political thought is not based upon scripture at all? Is this not a circuitous path back to the dark ages? A time when the masses were subject to completely human and abusive overlords, who claimed to be the representatives of God, and squashed the consciences and lives of all who disagreed with them. Is it not a repudiation of everything Protestant which pointed to the scriptures and the authority of God in establishing true freedom, inalienable rights of the individual, and government for the people and by the people? All of this being acknowledged as right, because the God of scripture Himself allowed for the same in His created beings? Is this not exactly what the spirit of prophecy has predicted? Observe the following -

But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the Gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times. The Roman Church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operation. She is employing every device to extend her influence and increase her power in preparation for a fierce and determined conflict to regain control of the world, to re-establish persecution, and to undo all that Protestantism has done. Catholicism is gaining ground in our country upon every side. Look at the number of her churches and chapels. Look at her colleges and seminaries, so widely patronized by Protestants. These things should awaken the anxiety of all who prize the pure principles of the Gospel. (The Signs of the Times, June 30, 1898, Dangers which Threaten, Par. 6)

Should we now turn around and return to the same guiding influence of the dark ages under a new guise, and seek unification of all humanity evolving “towards fully human outcomes” ? Should we now forsake individual inalienable rights and freedoms, government for the people and by the people, and economic freedom under the leadership and suggestion of Babylon’s vision of the common good over and above the same? We absolutely should not, but according to biblical prophecy, this world will overwhelmingly do so. So what should we do? What will you do? Will you remain silent as though you were ignorant of the facts, or will you give the warning?
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Chapter 9

The Common Good, Socialistic Redistribution, and Individual Rights


Continued Excerpts from -
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

It should be remembered that the reduction of cultures to the technological dimension, even if it favours short-term profits, in the long term impedes reciprocal enrichment and the dynamics of cooperation. It is important to distinguish between short- and long-term economic or sociological considerations. Lowering the level of protection accorded to the rights of workers, or abandoning mechanisms of wealth redistribution in order to increase the country's international competitiveness, hinder the achievement of lasting development. Moreover, the human consequences of current tendencies towards a short-term economy — sometimes very short-term — need to be carefully evaluated. This requires further and deeper reflection on the meaning of the economy and its goals[84], as well as a profound and far-sighted revision of the current model of development, so as to correct its dysfunctions and deviations.

The topic of wealth redistribution is certainly one of interest to all. It will no doubt direct the thoughts of the wealthy, toward the possibility of losing some if not most or all of the same, without their consent. On the other hand, it will no doubt direct the thoughts of those on the other end of the spectrum, to what seems to be a form of economic justice in their favor. No one can deny that sharing of ones abundance is Christian, nor that withholding the same from those in need is not Christian.The concept is definitely Christian, just who and how it is brought about though, determines if the action itself truly is. Anything apart from voluntary redistribution of wealth, could not be considered Christian. It would be anti-Christian, and even anti-Christ to force such upon anyone. As it is certainly anti-Christian and anti-Christ to force any Christian truth or principle upon anyone.

2 Cor 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The bottom line in any case in relation to God’s law, “Thou shalt not steal”, is applicable to all. Individuals, corporations, institutions, and governments. While it is possible for all of the above to steal from others in the myriad of ways such is possible without breaking or going around humanities laws, such is still theft according to the depths of God’s law. Those proved to have done such, should certainly have such profits taken away from them and distributed as fairly as possible among those robbed by them, if or when such is even possible.

Forms of government therefore also, which determine it is their place to confiscate and distribute the wealth or profits of others with or without their consent, are in fact thieves. Guilty of breaking God’s commandment not to steal, in order to support their warped perceptions of how things should be. They may call it whatever they wish, even “Christian charity” if they like, but this will never make it so. Taking what belongs to another, short of that being ill gained in the first place, is stealing. Religious leaders and or politicians who do so, are simply declaring their own superiority to and above others to do what they see as right, with others wealth. Which very often throughout history has moreover translated into might over right, my way or the highway mentality among many and various abusive forms of government.

Many who fled to the shores of this nation early on, did so to escape just such abuses from predominantly Catholic countries where the kings, queens, and or “nobility” were in bed with the church living upon their citizens backs. Kings, Queens, “nobility”, and clergy doing as they wished with the wealth, livelihoods, personal convictions, and even location of their peasantry. This is not to mention more than just a few “Protestant” nations, who may have left the church of Rome, but never left such practices behind along with her religious guidance. Nevertheless, what are we seeing today, and in the documents we are examining, but a return to much of the same under the ever increasing influence and power of the Church of Rome? In this country in direct refutation of its heavily Protestant influenced Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and around the world according to the same.

While there is always a need to address the rights of workers as times, attitudes, and technologies advance and change, just who should address this issue? In a system of economic freedom, these issues should ideally be worked out between workers, management, and owners themselves with as little government participation or infringement as possible. The government though, should be ready to intervene if or when things begin to get out of hand without taking sides in the issue unless unjust oppression or unreasonable measures are blatantly being employed. To allow the government dominant control over such issues, is not conducive to economic freedom, and opens the door to political corruption in relation to the same. Power corrupts, and wealth equals power. Bad enough that individuals and or corporations become corrupted by it, let alone handing this power also over to government. Which itself has always been and is even now of course being corrupted by the same. In any case, allowing the papacy to direct such traffic of power, is most certainly another step back toward the dark ages. At which time as already mentioned, she and the existing governments in bed together, lived high on the hog upon the backs of the people.

I wonder just exactly what or who the papacy is referring to as the current model of economic development, that needs such far-sighted revisions to correct its dysfunctions and deviations? Is it not of course the United States, built upon Protestant principles of individual rights and freedoms in relation to civil, religious, and economic pursuits? Are we now not examining the papacies political plans to undo the economic freedom brought about by the same? Yes, as already stated, it is and has been her purpose to undo everything brought about by the Protestant Reformation. Unfortunately the many corruptions of Capitalism which now exist and have for some time, only add fuel to the fire and power to the appeals of the papacy and others toward Socialist, Fascist, or Communist outcome. As is always the case, humanity simply cannot handle freedom without abusing the same, resulting in ruin.

The answer though, does not lie in any of these repeatedly failed forms of government and economy. Or papal economic theories of wealth, business, and natural resource redistribution under government supervision, which is under papal “moral” guidance itself. History has already provided a prolonged example of papal dominated politics for all to see. The picture painted by the same, is and was not pretty at all.


The principal new feature has been the explosion of worldwide interdependence, commonly known as globalization. Paul VI had partially foreseen it, but the ferocious pace at which it has evolved could not have been anticipated. Originating within economically developed countries, this process by its nature has spread to include all economies. It has been the principal driving force behind the emergence from underdevelopment of whole regions, and in itself it represents a great opportunity. Nevertheless, without the guidance of charity in truth, this global force could cause unprecedented damage and create new divisions within the human family.
Hence charity and truth confront us with an altogether new and creative challenge, one that is certainly vast and complex. It is about broadening the scope of reason and making it capable of knowing and directing these powerful new forces, animating them within the perspective of that “civilization of love” whose seed God has planted in every people, in every culture.

What is the above recommendation, but to allow the papacy predominant control and guidance of the new and future global economy? Since supposedly, she is the one referred to above that is guided by charity, and imbibed with reason. Where did this world wide interdependence come from in the first place. Is it not the exact goal of all those who call for universal equality and equity? Those who have been and are now immersed in the ideology of wealth, job, natural resources, and even mass population redistribution? Yes it is. It is their exact purpose to make the entire world interdependent, and therefore dependent upon their leadership to make what they themselves have been putting in place and envisioned work. Being the ones who designed, are executing, and do have the plan. It is nothing less than the subjection of every nation and all the world to their own global ideology and usurped authority. All of which happens to be the exact opposite of what our founding Fathers envisioned for this nation, and all others who might learn from our experience. Observe the following -

Quote
George Washington Farewell Address, Philadelphia, PA, 1796-09-17    

"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.
 
Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics or the ordinary combination and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people, under an efficient government, the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.
 
Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense, but in my opinion it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Papal politics and economics are a direct refutation of the American Experiment, moreover they are and have been a direct attack upon it. They are in fact a repudiation of the Protestant and therefore biblical principles this nation was built upon. Self responsibility, reliance, and productivity unto improved conditions for one’s self and those around them. By way of example, and generosity.

This, just as God’s word has directed in first and foremost taking personal responsibility for our own actions and sins against God and humanity. By confessing, asking forgiveness for, and repenting of them. Unto an empowered life of moral integrity and productivity intent upon improving one’s self and those around them by way of example both spiritually and temporally. Effected by submission to the word of God above all humanity, save the one man who was and is God. Who also demonstrated these exact principles for us in human flesh as one of us. Who Himself established direct access to our heavenly Father through Himself, unto repentance, reformation, and regeneration.

The Papacies religion and politics effect the exact opposite of the above. Her subjects are spiritually reliant upon her for the remission of sins, Transubstantiation of the Mass, and the intercession of saints to which she directs them. As we have already been addressing, her politics are also slanted toward making humanity dependent upon governments and their politicians whom she herself is basically in bed with. What is all of this but the attempt of mere men, to stand in the place of God, who has Himself provided all of the above for the individual that will place their faith in His Son and our Savior Jesus Christ. Without the high standard, moral integrity, and byproduct of productivity from the same attached to a personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ, humanity is doomed to the servitude of the evil one and his chosen minions.


But the social doctrine of the Church has unceasingly highlighted the importance of distributive justice and social justice for the market economy, not only because it belongs within a broader social and political context, but also because of the wider network of relations within which it operates.

The above is a frank admission by the papacy, that she has been a prominent proponent of socialistic market economy and wealth redistribution. This has been accomplished by her “wider network of relations within which she operates”. In other words, through her illicit and spiritually adulterous relations with the kings and governments of this world. To this end she has been working for some time now predominantly in Europe and the United States through the vast number of Catholic politicians within the same. What can we say of the results thus far? Economic chaos and ruin from nation to nation. The US is now somewhere around thirty trillion dollars in the hole, and digging deeper every day. The papacy has been actively redistributing our wealth, jobs, business, and natural resources for some time now, to the obvious detriment of our country, each one of us, our children, and our children’s children. This is not to mention her non stop efforts of relocation through legal and illegal immigration.

36. Economic activity cannot solve all social problems through the simple application of commercial logic. This needs to be directed towards the pursuit of the common good, for which the political community in particular must also take responsibility. Therefore, it must be borne in mind that grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution.

More of the same. Political action must be taken by government to pursue justice through wealth redistribution against those enemies of the common good who are getting wealthy through successful business in an atmosphere of economic freedom. So says one of the, if not the wealthiest  institution on earth. Funny, while one who is looking can see their admitted efforts to redistribute others wealth, they don’t seem to be in much of a hurry to redistribute their own immense wealth. Most of which is hidden from public view.


In the global era, the economy is influenced by competitive models tied to cultures that differ greatly among themselves. The different forms of economic enterprise to which they give rise find their main point of encounter in commutative justice. Economic life undoubtedly requires contracts, in order to regulate relations of exchange between goods of equivalent value. But it also needs just laws and forms of redistribution governed by politics,
and what is more, it needs works redolent of the spirit of gift. The economy in the global era seems to privilege the former logic, that of contractual exchange, but directly or indirectly it also demonstrates its need for the other two: political logic, and the logic of the unconditional gift.

Same message, government needs to get involved in redistribution of wealth through the logic of unconditional gift, that is charity, under the direction, influence, and self proclaimed superior reasoning powers of the papacy. This must be accomplished over and above that of contractual exchanges of private businesses or corporations, in the present ill advised atmosphere of economic freedom, according to the papacy. You will be charitable by handing over the money or prophet you make, over the the government to distribute as it sees fit, under the superior moral direction of the Papal See. This on top of course of the countless billions the papacy already receives from the governments of this world with or without the consent of their citizens, through tax dollar allocations.   

39. Paul VI in Populorum Progressio called for the creation of a model of market economy capable of including within its range all peoples and not just the better off. He called for efforts to build a more human world for all, a world in which “all will be able to give and receive, without one group making progress at the expense of the other”[94]. In this way he was applying on a global scale the insights and aspirations contained in Rerum Novarum, written when, as a result of the Industrial Revolution, the idea was first proposed — somewhat ahead of its time — that the civil order, for its self-regulation, also needed intervention from the State for purposes of redistribution. Not only is this vision threatened today by the way in which markets and societies are opening up, but it is evidently insufficient to satisfy the demands of a fully humane economy. What the Church's social doctrine has always sustained, on the basis of its vision of man and society, is corroborated today by the dynamics of globalization.

It should be remembered by all, that the papacy itself is one of the if not the wealthiest institution on earth, and is excluded from her own advice above as a supposed religious institution rather than a temporal one. Which very thing, all of her political advice and manipulation completely contradict and disprove. Her history is replete with examples of her support of and combined interests with one despotic political system and ruler after another. These being composed of the rich and or powerful, resulting many times in the past, in the wealth redistribution of their own subjects against their will through absolute tyranny. That is the removal of all rights from certain segments or religious sects of society, and the confiscation of all their wealth and property against their will. Yet we are now to believe that they have suddenly obtained superior light, knowledge, and reason concerning the same which we should all agree with, seek to establish, and submit to. I think not. Her history reveals no superior light, knowledge, or reason. To the contrary, she has been the ruin of many a nation.

If in fact she is all for legislated wealth redistribution, then let her be a good and exemplary leader by submitting her own immense wealth first before others, for that very purpose. Let her property, holdings, precious materials, priceless antiquities, business earnings, and what have you, be handed over to political authorities for redistribution among the needy of the world. After all, she refuses to be just a religion, but demands political status as a nation. Let her then be the first willing subject of wealth redistribution at the hand of outsiders. At least then we could see her sincerity and willingness to subject herself to that which she proposes all others subject themselves to. To the contrary, her immense wealth while blatantly obvious, is a very secretive matter. This is not to deny in any way shape or form her large contributions to charity which she is actually involved in, for which of course she is to be commended. However, an investigation into her many different assets will reveal quite a bit more than just a little scandal, cover up, and refusal to allow close investigation of the same. This is not even to mention again, the countless billions she receives every year from governments at their tax payers expense which most certainly should be redistributed to those in need. Else what are these tax payers forced to do, save support a religion which many no doubt disagree with.

While no one wants to see anyone being abused by the acquired wealth of one at the expense of another as suggested above, neither is the concept of legislated equality biblical or right in any way shape or form. Certain people do and always have excelled, and should not be wrongly or disproportionately taxed, or moreover robbed for the same. Neither Certainly, should successful and productive forms of government based upon economic freedom, be penalized or robbed by their unsuccessful contemporaries as any kind of logical remedy for their failures. While such should certainly be considerate of the less fortunate, it simply is and cannot be considered Christian to force charity from them or anyone else. Such is certainly not conducive to reforming failed governments, but to the contrary, akin to enabling the same. Dragging all down with them, instead of raising them up to greater productivity and prosperity. Yet is not this exactly the point, to recreate the same two class society under which the papacy and her illicit political lovers enjoyed so much power, wealth, and prestige in the past? Yes it is.

This is not even to address the completely different matter of those who have obtained wealth through abuse or corruption with politicians in Capitalist or other economic systems. Which very thing the papacy is and has itself been guilty of many times over throughout her existence, and even now receives more than just a little unwanted attention regarding. Let those issues be addressed, and wrongs righted without destroying economic freedom by establishing socialistic, fascist, or communistic styled redistributive government controlled economies. Themselves being called for and manipulated by the papacy. We will continue this examination in the next chapter, as tis one is already becoming rather lengthy.

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Chapter 10

The Common Good, Socialistic Redistribution, and Individual Rights Continued:


Continued Excerpts from -
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH



”[101]. It is in response to the needs and the dignity of the worker, as well as the needs of society, that there exist various types of business enterprise, over and above the simple distinction between “private” and “public”. Each of them requires and expresses a specific business capacity. In order to construct an economy that will soon be in a position to serve the national and global common good, it is appropriate to take account of this broader significance of business activity. It favours cross-fertilization between different types of business activity, with shifting of competences from the “non-profit” world to the “profit” world and vice versa, from the public world to that of civil society, from advanced economies to developing countries.
Political authority also involves a wide range of values, which must not be overlooked in the process of constructing a new order of economic productivity, socially responsible and human in scale. As well as cultivating differentiated forms of business activity on the global plane,

More of the same discussed in the previous chapter here, redistribution concerning “cross-fertilization between different types of business activity, with shifting of competences from the “non-profit” world to the “profit” world and vice versa, from the public world to that of civil society, from advanced economies to developing countries.” All in accordance with the papacies vision of “constructing a new order of economic productivity” in relation to “the national and global common good”. Therefore also of course, more in line with collectivism and socialism, than individualism and capitalism. The collective of course submitting to the superior reasoning abilities of the papacy proved throughout history. This in contrast to government and economics realized upon Protestant principles derived in and through the experience of the Reformation. Which government and economics thrived until corruption and papal influence began and continue to take their toll.

The truth of globalization as a process and its fundamental ethical criterion are given by the unity of the human family and its development towards what is good. Hence a sustained commitment is needed so as to promote a person-based and community-oriented cultural process of world-wide integration that is open to transcendence.
Despite some of its structural elements, which should neither be denied nor exaggerated, “globalization, a priori, is neither good nor bad. It will be what people make of it”[104]. We should not be its victims, but rather its protagonists, acting in the light of reason, guided by charity and truth. Blind opposition would be a mistaken and prejudiced attitude, incapable of recognizing the positive aspects of the process, with the consequent risk of missing the chance to take advantage of its many opportunities for development. The processes of globalization, suitably understood and directed, open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale; if badly directed, however, they can lead to an increase in poverty and inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis. It is necessary to correct the malfunctions, some of them serious, that cause new divisions between peoples and within peoples, and also to ensure that the redistribution of wealth does not come about through the redistribution or increase of poverty: a real danger if the present situation were to be badly managed.

Apparently, those who are opposed to the papal view of globalization are blind and prejudiced. Her plan includes “large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale” and must be handled properly in order to prevent “an increase in poverty and inequality”, which “could even trigger a global crisis.” Never mind the crisis involved for those whose wealth is to be redistributed among those she chooses, against their will and or without their consent. 

The world-wide diffusion of forms of prosperity should not therefore be held up by projects that are self-centred, protectionist or at the service of private interests. Indeed the involvement of emerging or developing countries allows us to manage the crisis better today. The transition inherent in the process of globalization presents great difficulties and dangers that can only be overcome if we are able to appropriate the underlying anthropological and ethical spirit that drives globalization towards the humanizing goal of solidarity. Unfortunately this spirit is often overwhelmed or suppressed by ethical and cultural considerations of an individualistic and utilitarian nature. Globalization is a multifaceted and complex phenomenon which must be grasped in the diversity and unity of all its different dimensions, including the theological dimension. In this way it will be possible to experience and to steer the globalization of humanity in relational terms, in terms of communion and the sharing of goods.

How about that, Rome’s intention to diffuse the worlds forms of prosperity should not be held up by self-centered, protectionist, or private interests. I guess this means that if you are a wealthy individual or nation, you should not selfishly resist her redistribution of your wealth by trying to protect your private or national interests in the same. In other words, shut up, and hand it over. This is beginning to sound oh too familiar. Rome does not want to be bothered by “ethical and cultural considerations of an individualistic and utilitarian nature.” Yes we know, individual rights and protections are not very high on Rome’s list. They should and will be sacrificed by her global vision of a unified humanity. Which vision is nothing more than the repudiation of everything Protestant, and the reestablishment of herself riding upon the backs of the kings and governments of this world. Steering them in whatever direction she pleases.

The link consists in this: individual rights, when detached from a framework of duties which grants them their full meaning, can run wild, leading to an escalation of demands which is effectively unlimited and indiscriminate. An overemphasis on rights leads to a disregard for duties. Duties set a limit on rights because they point to the anthropological and ethical framework of which rights are a part, in this way ensuring that they do not become licence. Duties thereby reinforce rights and call for their defence and promotion as a task to be undertaken in the service of the common good. Otherwise, if the only basis of human rights is to be found in the deliberations of an assembly of citizens, those rights can be changed at any time, and so the duty to respect and pursue them fades from the common consciousness. Governments and international bodies can then lose sight of the objectivity and “inviolability” of rights. When this happens, the authentic development of peoples is endangered[108]. Such a way of thinking and acting compromises the authority of international bodies, especially in the eyes of those countries most in need of development. Indeed, the latter demand that the international community take up the duty of helping them to be “artisans of their own destiny”[109], that is, to take up duties of their own. The sharing of reciprocal duties is a more powerful incentive to action than the mere assertion of rights.

Yes we know Rome, individual rights should be sacrificed for your vision of the common good and unification of humanity. Never mind “deliberations of an assembly of citizens” who happen to disagree with you. The fact that people can go overboard with individual rights, is no reason to resort to collectivism to the detriment of them. Just how is it, that collectivism as defined by a single minority of an institution in this world, can really be considered collectivism, or common consent in relation to all the inhabitants of the same? Your vision of a united humanity for the common good, is just a new way for you to say, my way or the high way. Just as you did all through the dark ages.

You seek to establish your own authority, and that of your globalist minions, above the authority of assembled citizens of nations to the contrary. To subjugate all governments for and by the people, composed of those they themsleves elected to represent them, to your unelected self proclaimed superior intellect and authority. In other words, the reestablishment of the religious and political authority you enjoyed while laying upon your back in bed with the “kings, queens, and nobility” of old. Who neither regarded or cared for the will or individual rights of their subjects.


On this front too, there is a pressing moral need for renewed solidarity, especially in relationships between developing countries and those that are highly industrialized[118]. The technologically advanced societies can and must lower their domestic energy consumption, either through an evolution in manufacturing methods or through greater ecological sensitivity among their citizens.It should be added that at present it is possible to achieve improved energy efficiency while at the same time encouraging research into alternative forms of energy. What is also needed, though, is a worldwide redistribution of energy resources, so that countries lacking those resources can have access to them.

Anything sound familiar in the above? Yes that’s right, AOC’s new green deal was not new at all. The present Pope Francis of course, basically wrote an entire Encyclical on the matter, which most certainly should be examined in light of scripture and biblical prophecy as well. It also was written and published before Roman Catholic bartender to Congresswoman AOC introduced the New Green deal. Just another example of how Rome has been shaping and influencing the political trends and changes we are witnessing right here at home, and abroad for some time now. Her nose is in just about everything, and where it is not yet, she is working on it. She wants to reestablish the control she once had over every facet of humanities lives during the dark ages. She will stop at nothing to get it.

Today humanity appears much more interactive than in the past: this shared sense of being close to one another must be transformed into true communion. The development of peoples depends, above all, on a recognition that the human race is a single family working together in true communion, not simply a group of subjects who happen to live side by side[127].
Pope Paul VI noted that “the world is in trouble because of the lack of thinking”[128]. He was making an observation, but also expressing a wish: a new trajectory of thinking is needed in order to arrive at a better understanding of the implications of our being one family; interaction among the peoples of the world calls us to embark upon this new trajectory, so that integration can signify solidarity[129] rather than marginalization. Thinking of this kind requires a deeper critical evaluation of the category of relation.

Once again, the unification of humanity into a single family without acceptance and submission to Jesus Christ as Lord, is taught nowhere by Christ or His Apostles. To the contrary, it is pointed out by the same as the goal of anti-christ and the beast powers in the book of Revelation. There will be no room for Christ’s true followers in this new papal order. Just as there was not during the past dark ages when she ruled.

For this reason, while it may be true that development needs the religions and cultures of different peoples, it is equally true that adequate discernment is needed. Religious freedom does not mean religious indifferentism, nor does it imply that all religions are equal[133]. Discernment is needed regarding the contribution of cultures and religions, especially on the part of those who wield political power, if the social community is to be built up in a spirit of respect for the common good. Such discernment has to be based on the criterion of charity and truth. Since the development of persons and peoples is at stake, this discernment will have to take account of the need for emancipation and inclusivity, in the context of a truly universal human community. “The whole man and all men” is also the criterion for evaluating cultures and religions. Christianity, the religion of the “God who has a human face”[134], contains this very criterion within itself.

Oh yes, it is Rome who unyieldingly claims to be authentic and original “Christianity”. Thus she also claims to have the “adequate discernment” which “ is needed” to determine the difference between freedom and religious indifferentism, and which religions are more equal than others. In which case of course, those religions which do not agree with and join into the fulfillment of her aspirations, will be deemed indifferent and unequal to herself and the rest that are presenting a united front and course of action. Since individual rights are to be sacrificed for this goal of the common good, those religions or institutions not going along will naturally have to be dealt with and or repressed. Is any of this beginning to sound familiar?

56. The Christian religion and other religions can offer their contribution to development only if God has a place in the public realm, specifically in regard to its cultural, social, economic, and particularly its political dimensions. The Church's social doctrine came into being in order to claim “citizenship status” for the Christian religion[135]. Denying the right to profess one's religion in public and the right to bring the truths of faith to bear upon public life has negative consequences for true development. The exclusion of religion from the public square — and, at the other extreme, religious fundamentalism — hinders an encounter between persons and their collaboration for the progress of humanity. Public life is sapped of its motivation and politics takes on a domineering and aggressive character. Human rights risk being ignored either because they are robbed of their transcendent foundation or because personal freedom is not acknowledged. Secularism and fundamentalism exclude the possibility of fruitful dialogue and effective cooperation between reason and religious faith. Reason always stands in need of being purified by faith: this also holds true for political reason, which must not consider itself omnipotent. For its part, religion always needs to be purified by reason in order to show its authentically human face.Any breach in this dialogue comes only at an enormous price to human development.

Will wonders never cease? According to Rome in the above, her “social doctrine came into being in order to claim “citizenship status” for the Christian religion” in and of this world. What more need be said about her true condition and place in this world?

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4 (KJV)

Rome commits spiritual adultery with the kings and governments of this world, entering into the politics of the same in order to establish her citizenship as a member of the same in direct contradiction to biblical counsel. Thus becoming a true friend of the world, and establishing her citizenship in and of it, rather than heaven.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Eph 2:14-22 (KJV)

Those who are truly in and of Christ are fellow citizens with the saints, and are part of the kingdom and household of God, not man or this world. Again Rome identifies herself for what she truly is, the religion of this world, bent towards its own end in rebellion against God and His government. Her following statement from the above also reveals the same, “For its part, religion always needs to be purified by reason in order to show its authentically human face”. She is that apostate “Christian” religion which claims to have the purified reason mentioned above to lead out in the establishment of her vision for humanity. What is stated as the purpose of this reason, it is to “show its authentically human face”. That is the exact truth, Rome is the religion of humanity, not God or Christ.


In the Pastoral Constitution Gaudium et Spes, the Council fathers asserted that “believers and unbelievers agree almost unanimously that all things on earth should be ordered towards man as to their centre and summit”[136]. For believers, the world derives neither from blind chance nor from strict necessity, but from God's plan. This is what gives rise to the duty of believers to unite their efforts with those of all men and women of good will, with the followers of other religions and with non-believers, so that this world of ours may effectively correspond to the divine plan: living as a family under the Creator's watchful eye.

TADA! Is there really any need to comment on the above? It speaks loudly and clearly on its own. Rome is the religion of this world, and is that anti-Christ power that will unite all humanity, believers and non-believers in rebellion against God. Against His government and law, and His people right before God Himself returns to set all matters straight.

Hence the principle of subsidiarity is particularly well-suited to managing globalization and directing it towards authentic human development. In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity, articulated into several layers and involving different levels that can work together. Globalization certainly requires authority, insofar as it poses the problem of a global common good that needs to be pursued.

Yes we know, the authentically human designs of Rome for humanity, certainly not God’s designs for humanity. Now of course we will begin to address the need for real authority to establish Rome’s vision.

Evolving societies must remain faithful to all that is truly human in their traditions, avoiding the temptation to overlay them automatically with the mechanisms of a globalized technological civilization. In all cultures there are examples of ethical convergence, some isolated, some interrelated, as an expression of the one human nature, willed by the Creator; the tradition of ethical wisdom knows this as the natural law[140]. This universal moral law provides a sound basis for all cultural, religious and political dialogue, and it ensures that the multi-faceted pluralism of cultural diversity does not detach itself from the common quest for truth, goodness and God. Thus adherence to the law etched on human hearts is the precondition for all constructive social cooperation.

So this authority will have to be based upon what Rome terms “universal moral law“, which is “etched on human hearts”. Since there is no mention of God’s divine law, which is written upon the hearts of His own in Christ, we will assume this to be Rome’s counterfeit of the same for that which is purely human. After all, as Rome says, “Evolving societies must remain faithful to all that is truly human in their traditions,”. Thus this universal truly human rather than divine law, Sunday sacredness, is necessary to the development of the papacies vision of uniting all humanity toward the common good of the same. 

For this reason, on 1 May 2000 on the occasion of the Jubilee of Workers, my venerable predecessor Pope John Paul II issued an appeal for “a global coalition in favour of ‘decent work”’[144], supporting the strategy of the International Labour Organization.

Let those interested examine the writings of Mrs. White in relation to the role played by labor Unions in establishing Roman Catholic dogma through legislation.

64. While reflecting on the theme of work, it is appropriate to recall how important it is that labour unions — which have always been encouraged and supported by the Church — should be open to the new perspectives that are emerging in the world of work. Looking to wider concerns than the specific category of labour for which they were formed, union organizations are called to address some of the new questions arising in our society: I am thinking, for example, of the complex of issues that social scientists describe in terms of a conflict between worker and consumer. Without necessarily endorsing the thesis that the central focus on the worker has given way to a central focus on the consumer, this would still appear to constitute new ground for unions to explore creatively. The global context in which work takes place also demands that national labour unions, which tend to limit themselves to defending the interests of their registered members, should turn their attention to those outside their membership, and in particular to workers in developing countries where social rights are often violated. The protection of these workers, partly achieved through appropriate initiatives aimed at their countries of origin, will enable trade unions to demonstrate the authentic ethical and cultural motivations that made it possible for them, in a different social and labour context, to play a decisive role in development.

Yes, Rome fully supports labor unions, encourages them, and enlists their aid in establishing her political will. As already suggested, an examination of Mrs. Whites writings on this issue will be enlightening.

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.

And there you have it, the papacy calling for a global political economic authority with real teeth to bring about and establish her vision regarding the unification of humanity for the common good as defined and revealed by her. I wonder, how do you suppose this institution empowered by nations under her guidance will be able to demand and enforce compliance by all concerning economic issues? Would she use an individual’s or nation’s ability to buy and sell or not, as a determining or coercive measure to force compliance? Of course it would, will, and already does. Who doesn’t already know about the economic sanctions regularly brought upon nations who are not cooperating with the UN, or US for that matter. This methodology will be perfected no doubt to a science even down to the sanction of individuals, which also is already easily done to certain criminals, by the freezing of all their assets. Everyone knows personal and national sanctions are already being employed. It is just a matter of time before the government will employ these means to force compliance from all.

What are they now considering and even already implementing in several places but a vaccine passport for all those who wish to take part in public events, go to work, shop for food or what have you, eat at restaurants, and on and on. The number of crimes or actions resulting in the loss of one’s ability to buy or sell is ever increasing. Along with the reasons to implement such. It is a no brainer that this is exactly what will be eventually applied as pressure upon those who refuse to worship the image of the beast. The methodology has already been among us for a long time now, but the technology today makes it all the more applicable. Combine this with the sheeples ever increasing support of authoritative collectivism under the ever increasing guidance of the Church of Rome, and you have the final touches of the implementation of the beast that was, was not for a while, and then is again arising from the bottomless pit.   

I just don’t know how it could become any clearer to anyone who is paying any attention, that these things are a direct fulfillment of biblical prophecy in relation to the final beasts of the same, and the global persecuting religio-political form of government predicted. As I see it, there is absolutely no excuse for Seventh Day Adventists to not know what is going on here, let alone make the completely false assertion that there will be less to say about the Church of Rome concerning the unfolding of the final prophetic events of this world. This is straight forward deception and apostasy within Seventh Day Adventism.


A person's development is compromised, if he claims to be solely responsible for producing what he becomes. By analogy, the development of peoples goes awry if humanity thinks it can re-create itself through the “wonders” of technology, just as economic development is exposed as a destructive sham if it relies on the “wonders” of finance in order to sustain unnatural and consumerist growth. In the face of such Promethean presumption, we must fortify our love for a freedom that is not merely arbitrary, but is rendered truly human by acknowledgment of the good that underlies it. To this end, man needs to look inside himself in order to recognize the fundamental norms of the natural moral law which God has written on our hearts.

God’s moral law is not written in the heart of non believers. They cannot find God’s law by looking inside themsleves. They cannot even see themselves for what they really are, without beholding the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world. The natural moral law written upon the hearts of non believing humanity is not of God or toward God, but rather of humanity and toward humanity, as this entire papal document has been conclusively suggesting. The Pope is “that man of sin” to “be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” 2 Thess 2:3-4 (KJV) He is that man leading the papacy which has sought to change times and laws, God’s laws, and replace them with human ones. It is these human natural laws of her own invention that she refers to as the basis of her vision of a unified humanity in pursuing the common good of the same. Every Seventh Day Adventist already understands that one of these laws in particular will be forced upon humanity using the exact method of not being able to buy or sell, that we see being put into place regarding increasing issues right now. WAKE UP! BLOW THE TRUMPET! GIVE IT THAT CERTAIN SOUND!

Development is impossible without upright men and women, without financiers and politicians whose consciences are finely attuned to the requirements of the common good.

Among them are members of the Christian faithful, involved in the great task of upholding the fully human dimension of development and peace.

Another call for supposedly true “Christians” to fully support the establishment of Rome’s common good for all humanity which is of a fully human dimension according to God’s will as Rome sees it.

so too the meaning and purpose of the media must be sought within an anthropological perspective. This means that they can have a civilizing effect not only when, thanks to technological development, they increase the possibilities of communicating information, but above all when they are geared towards a vision of the person and the common good that reflects truly universal values.

The media can make an important contribution towards the growth in communion of the human family and the ethos of society when they are used to promote universal participation in the common search for what is just.

Who doesn’t already know that the media and news have become just another tool of the government and thus Rome also who is manipulating it, in the establishment of the very things we have been discussing?

Let us not forget to mention and point out once again the following natural human law of Rome’s own making, which states its purpose towards the establishment of the common good which she continually refers to. This one law will become the center of all attention and focus concerning all we have and are addressing. The decision all make concerning it will determine their allegiance to either humanity or God, with eternal consequences.


CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."[125]

While this book only examines one Doctrinal Note, and one Papal Encyclical, there were of course many written before, and several now since these as well. The papacy has been very busy as always, establishing and maintaining her influence and power within and of this world. In the not too distant past, her power and influence were severely interrupted by the Protestant Reformation, and almost obliterated by the deadly wound inflicted by the French revolution. Since then, her Encyclicals, instructions, and general purposes have been to repudiate, combat, and overthrow all the damaging effects of the same. An examination of these articles and her actions since that time then, would and do reveal her ongoing battle with these powers which so drastically reduced her own in recent history. The examination of more recent Encyclicals, articles, political maneuvers, and alliances, will only reveal more of the same. Which the writer may attempt to address in the near future, and encourages others to examine for themselves as well. The remainder of this book however, will turn toward some more statements from the spirit of prophecy, and historical testimony concerning the matter being discussed.

 
In this battle, the papacy can, has, and will continue to join hands with secular humanism, apostate Protestantism, and all other powers of any type which be of this world. She joins hands with those she intends to lead. Authentic biblical Protestantism alone, cannot and will not join hands with her. The friction between them then, will only increase as time moves forward. As this world has already seen what happens to those who stand in the way of a politically backed papacy many times over, persecution of authentic biblical Protestantism or Christianity cannot be far behind her success. Those alone who seek the true city of God, whose builder is God and no man, shall be able to stand upon His power alone as well.


Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
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Chapter 11

The Spirit of Prophecy and Rome’s Human Origin and Design

Considering the extensive appeals of the papacy to truly human development and reasoning in relation to their vision of a unified humanity, I thought it good at this point to examine an article by Mrs. White pertaining to that very subject. Without question, the preceding chapters have established Rome’s special relation to, reliance upon, and faith in humanity. While she claims to be the true Church of Christ, a close examination reveals that she is really the Church of humanity and this world. As such, imbibing the principles of sin and self exaltation within the establishment of a Pope and usurped priesthood of the same.

Romanism the Religion of Human Nature.

By Mrs. E. G. White.

    There is great need that all who claim to be Bible Christians should take the Scriptures as they read. There is need of arriving at right conclusions as to what the Scriptures mean in their reference to the man of sin, who thought to change times and laws. He had no real power to change the time and the law of God, but he thought himself able to do this work; for he "opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." He is an imitator of the first great rebel, the originator of sin. In heaven Satan thought to change the laws of God, and for this purpose he changed his character and his position in the heavenly courts, and influenced others until they united with him in the work of rebellion against God; but he did not succeed in changing the law of God. God did not alter or change his form of government to suit Satan's ideas, but made it manifest that the foundation of his government in heaven and earth is as unchangeable as is the throne itself.

    When Satan could not induce all the angels to revolt against the law of God, he made the earth the scene of his rebellion, and through the man of sin seeks to carry out his diabolical purpose. Through the Papacy, the Roman power, the man of sin, the purpose of Satan is carried out among men; the law and the time of God are set aside. In this we see that Protestantism is giving encouragement to popery; and false systems of worship, against which our fathers manfully opposed themselves, imperiling even property and life, are fostered and cherished and encouraged to extend and gain wide influence. Protestants do not search their Bibles as they should, and do not heed the warning that has been given concerning the work of the man of sin. The Roman Church claims that the pope is invested with supreme authority over all bishops and pastors, and this claim of supremacy was once denied by Protestants. They took the position that the Bible, and the Bible alone, constituted the rule of faith and doctrine, that the word of God is the only unerring guide for human souls, and that it is unnecessary and harmful to take the words of priests and prelates instead of the word of God.

     To the Romanist the Bible is a forbidden book, because it plainly reveals the errors of the Roman system; and whoever searches the Bible with an enlightened understanding, cannot long be in harmony with Romanism. He who searches the Bible to understand the truth, will find no authority in the word of God for the assumption of power on the part of popes and cardinals. There is no word of God that sanctions their assumed superiority or supremacy over their people, as there is no word to sanction the claim that Lucifer made in heaven of superiority over Christ. The claim of the Papacy to superiority is made under the influence of the first great usurper, who so persistently urged his right to supremacy over the host of God. Through the Dark Ages,--that long night of ignorance and superstition,--the claim of the Papacy to superiority and supremacy was conceded by emperors and kings, although God had sanctioned no such concession, and raised up men to dispute the claim, and to break the Romish yoke from the church of God. Through his appointed agencies God summoned the church to reassert her independence, and in the strength of God she stood forth in the liberty wherewith Christ had made her free. She broke away from the papal yoke, and with the word of God in her hand, met the giant evil of Romanism, even as David met Goliath in the name of heaven, using his sling and a few pebblestones. The defier of Israel was slain before the man of faith; and while men cling to the word of the Lord, they cannot affiliate with the great system of error.

    The Lord has pronounced a curse upon those who take from or add to the Scriptures. The great I AM has decided what shall constitute the rule of faith and doctrine, and he has designed that the Bible shall be a household book. The church that holds to the word of God is irreconcilably separated from Rome. Protestants were once thus apart from this great church of apostasy, but they have approached more nearly to her, and are still in the path of reconciliation to the Church of Rome. Rome never changes. Her principles have not altered in the least. She has not lessened the breach between herself and Protestants; they have done all the advancing. But what does this argue for the Protestantism of this day? It is the rejection of Bible truth which makes men approach to infidelity. It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy.


    It is souls like Luther, Cranmer, Ridley, Hooper, and the thousands of noble men who were martyrs for the truth's sake, who are the true Protestants. They stood as faithful sentinels of truth, declaring that Protestantism is incapable of union with Romanism, but must be as far separated from the principles of the Papacy as is the east from the west. Such advocates of truth could no more harmonize with "the man of sin" than could Christ and his apostles. In earlier ages the righteous felt that it was impossible to affiliate with Rome, and, though their antagonism to this system of error was maintained at risk of property and life, yet they had courage to maintain their separation, and manfully struggled for the truth. Bible truth was dearer to them than wealth, honor, or even life itself. They could not endure to see the truth buried under a mass of superstition and lying sophistry. They took the word of God in their hands, and raised the standard of truth before the people, boldly declaring that which God had revealed unto them through diligent searching of the Bible. They died the cruelest of deaths for their fidelity to God, but by their blood they purchased for us liberties and privileges that many who claim to be Protestants are easily yielding up to the power of evil. But shall we yield up these dearly bought privileges? Shall we offer insult to the God of heaven, and, after he has freed us from the Romish yoke, again place ourselves in bondage to this antichristian power? Shall we prove our degeneracy by signing away our religious liberty, our right to worship God according to the dictates of our own conscience?

    The voice of Luther, that echoed in mountains and valleys, that shook Europe as with an earthquake, summoned forth an army of noble apostles of Jesus, and the truth they advocated could not be silenced by fagots, by tortures, by dungeons, by death; and still the voices of the noble army of martyrs are telling us that the Roman power is the predicted apostasy of the last days, the mystery of iniquity which Paul saw beginning to work even in his day. Roman Catholicism is rapidly gaining ground. Popery is on the increase, and those who have turned their ears away from hearing the truth are listening to her delusive fables. Papal chapels, papal colleges, nunneries, and monasteries are on the increase, and the Protestant world seems to be asleep. Protestants are losing the mark of distinction that distinguished them from the world, and they are lessening the distance between themselves and the Roman power. They have turned away their ears from hearing the truth; they have been unwilling to accept light which God shed upon their pathway, and are therefore going into darkness. They speak with contempt of the idea that there will be a revival of the past cruel persecution on the part of Romanists and those who affiliate with them. They do not recognize the fact that the word of God fully predicts such a revival, and will not concede that the people of God in the last days shall suffer persecution, although the Bible says, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

    Popery is the religion of human nature, and the mass of humanity love a doctrine that permits them to commit sin, and yet frees them from its consequences. People must have some form of religion, and this religion, formed by human device, and yet claiming divine authority, suits the carnal mind.
Men who think themselves wise and intelligent turn away in pride from the standard of righteousness, the ten commandments, and do not think it is in harmony with their dignity to inquire into the ways of God. Therefore they go into false ways, into forbidden paths, become self-sufficient, self inflated, after the pattern of the pope, not after the pattern of Jesus Christ. They must have the form of religion that has the least requirement of spirituality and self-denial, and as unsanctified human wisdom will not lead them to loathe popery, they are naturally drawn toward its provisions and doctrines. They do not want to walk in the ways of the Lord. They are altogether too much enlightened to seek God prayerfully and humbly, with an intelligent knowledge of his word. Not caring to know the ways of the Lord, their minds are all open to delusions, all ready to accept and believe a lie. They are willing to have the most unreasonable, most inconsistent falsehoods palmed off upon them as truth.

    Satan’s masterpiece of deception is popery; and while it has been demonstrated that a day of great intellectual darkness was favorable to Romanism, it will also be demonstrated that a day of great intellectual light is also favorable to its power; for the minds of men are concentrated on their own superiority, and do not like to retain God in their knowledge. Rome claims infallibility, and Protestants are following in the same line. They do not desire to search for truth and go on from light to a greater light. They wall themselves in with prejudice, and seem willing to be deceived and to deceive others.

    But though the attitude of the churches is discouraging, yet there is no need of being disheartened; for God has a people who will preserve their fidelity to his truth, who will make the Bible, and the Bible alone, their rule of faith and doctrine, who will elevate the standard, and hold aloft the banner on which is inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." They will value a pure gospel, and make the Bible the foundation of their faith and doctrine.

    For such a time as this, when men are casting aside the law of the Lord of hosts, the prayer of David is applicable,--"It is time for thee, Lord, to work; for they have made void thy law." We are coming to a time when almost universal scorn will be heaped upon the law of God, and God's commandment-keeping people will be severely tried; but will they lose their respect for the law of Jehovah because others do not see and realize its binding claims? Let God's commandment-keeping people, like David, reverence God's law in proportion as men cast it aside and heap upon it disrespect and contempt. (February 19, 1894)

As the above article indicates, the bottom line for all in these final days, will be a choice between obeying the juxtaposed and contradictory laws of God, and laws of humanity. As everything we have been examining in this book suggests, the papacy is a major player, if not the major player in establishing the laws of humanity which will exasperate this issue. It should be noted in relation to the above article, that today it is said that the third largest religion is that of those who claim no religion. These secular humanists or what have you, will be, and are far more prone to support the political ideologies of the papacy, than those of a biblically inspired mindset who founded this nation.

We will now take a look at some statements and facts pertaining to the establishment of the common good from the past.

   

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Now that is irony.

Well, at least the point is, that there is not really less to say. You probably didn't know that though, since you wouldn't read posts as lengthy as these. In any case, that is the point.

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Chapter 12

A Voice From the Past Concerning the Common Good



The Only Path To Tomorrow
Ayn Rand


Readers Digest, January 1944, pp. 88-90

The greatest threat to mankind and civilization is the spread of the totalitarian philosophy. Its best ally is not the devotion of its followers but the confusion of its enemies. To fight it, we must understand it.

Totalitarianism is collectivism. Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group — whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called ``the common good.́́

Throughout history, no tyrant ever rose to power except on the claim of representing ``the common good.́́ Napoleon ``served the common good́́ of France. Hitler is ``serving the common good́́ of Germany. Horrors which no man would dare consider for his own selfish sake are perpetrated with a clear conscience by ``altruistś́ who justify themselves by-the common good.

No tyrant has ever lasted long by force of arms alone. Men have been enslaved primarily by spiritual weapons. And the greatest of these is the collectivist doctrine that the supremacy of the state over the individual constitutes the common good. No dictator could rise if men held as a sacred faith the conviction that they have inalienable rights of which they cannot be deprived for any cause whatsoever, by any man whatsoever, neither by evildoer nor supposed benefactor.

This is the basic tenet of individualism, as opposed to collectivism. Individualism holds that man is an independent entity with an inalienable right to the pursuit of his own happiness in a society where men deal with one another as equals.

The American system is founded on individualism. If it is to survive, we must understand the principles of individualism and hold them as our standard in any public question, in every issue we face. We must have a positive credo, a clear consistent faith.

We must learn to reject as total evil the conception that the common good is served by the abolition of individual rights. General happiness cannot be created out of general suffering and self-immolation. The only happy society is one of happy individuals. One cannot have a healthy forest made up of rotten trees.

The power of society must always be limited by the basic, inalienable rights of the individual.

The right of liberty means man's right to individual action, individual choice, individual initiative and individual property. Without the right to private property no independent action is possible.

The right to the pursuit of happiness means man's right to live for himself, to choose what constitutes his own, private, personal happiness and to work for its achievement. Each individual is the sole and final judge in this choice. A man's happiness cannot be prescribed to him by another man or by any number of other men.

These rights are the unconditional, personal, private, individual possession of every man, granted to him by the fact of his birth and requiring no other sanction. Such was the conception of the founders of our country, who placed individual rights above any and all collective claims. Society can only be a traffic policeman in the intercourse of men with one another.

From the beginning of history, two antagonists have stood face to face, two opposite types of men: the Active and the Passive. The Active Man is the producer, the creator, the originator, the individualist. His basic need is independence — in order to think and work. He neither needs nor seeks power over other men — nor can he be made to work under any form of compulsion. Every type of good work — from laying bricks to writing a symphony — is done by the Active Man. Degrees of human ability vary, but the basic principle remains the same: the degree of a man's independence and initiative determines his talent as a worker and his worth as a man.

The Passive Man is found on every level of society, in mansions and in slums, and his identification mark is his dread of independence. He is a parasite who expects to be taken care of by others, who wishes to be given directives, to obey, to submit, to be regulated, to be told. He welcomes collectivism, which eliminates any chance that he might have to think or act on his own initiative.

When a society is based on the needs of the Passive Man it destroys the Active; but when the Active is destroyed, the Passive can no longer be cared for. When a society is based on the needs of the Active Man, he carries the Passive ones along on his energy and raises them as he rises, as the whole society rises. This has been the pattern of all human progress.

Some humanitarians demand a collective state because of their pity for the incompetent or Passive Man. For his sake they wish to harness the Active. But the Active Man cannot function in harness. And once he is destroyed, the destruction of the Passive Man follows automatically. So if pity is the humanitarians' first consideration, then in the name of pity, if nothing else, they should leave the Active Man free to function, in order to help the Passive. There is no other way to help him in the long run.

The history of mankind is the history of the struggle between the Active Man and the Passive, between the individual and the collective. The countries which have produced the happiest men, the highest standards of living and the greatest cultural advances have been the countries where the power of the collective — of the government, of the state — was limited and the individual was given freedom of independent action. As examples: The rise of Rome, with its conception of law based on a citizen's rights, over the collectivist barbarism of its time. The rise of England, with a system of government based on the Magna Carta, over collectivist, totalitarian Spain. The rise of the United States to a degree of achievement unequaled in history — by grace of the individual freedom and independence which our Constitution gave each citizen against the collective.

While men are still pondering upon the causes of the rise and fall of civilizations, every page of history cries to us that there is but one source of progress: Individual Man in independent action. Collectivism is the ancient principle of savagery. A savage's whole existence is ruled by the leaders of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.

We are now facing a choice: to go forward or to go back.

Collectivism is not the ``New Order of Tomorrow.́́ It is the order of a very dark yesterday. But there is a New Order of Tomorrow. It belongs to Individual Man — the only creator of any tomorrows humanity has ever been granted. (Readers Digest, January 1944, pp. 88-90)

While the author of the above article was certainly not a Christian by any means, the truth embodied in the above article should not be denied by anyone who is. As it will be found in later chapters examining Protestant thought in relation to government and the founding of this nation, her thoughts concerning individualism were certainly not original or new. Though without question her views came from a different perspective, their motive was much the same as that of the Reformers, a reaction and observation in relation to experiential knowledge of abusive government. Hers at the hands of Communistic collectivism, and theirs at the hands for the most part of heavily Roman Catholic imbibed and influenced Feudalism. As the above author mentioned Hitler as one proposing the establishment of the common good, the above article itself being written in 1944, the following is his twenty fifth point, of the 25 Points of the Nazi Party.

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

We will not enter into an examination of Hitler and the Vatican in this book, since many others already have. The tie between the two has been examined by many, and is historical fact. The papacy was the first institution to politically recognize Hitler and the Nazi party by signing an accord with the same. Hitler was Catholic and once intended to be a Priest of the faith, but obviously chose another course. He professed to have learned much from the Jesuits, and followed a similar course towards the Jews as that followed by the papacy long before his time. Perhaps “coincidentally“, the papacy had also removed all of their rights, confined them to ghettos, and made them wear identity badges, among other abusive demands. These abuses continued right in Rome into and beyond the mid 1800’s. Yet here we are less than a century and a half later, in a world increasingly looking toward the papacy as an institution of great light and reason toward the development of a global government intent upon establishing and enforcing the “Common Good”.

The following quotes are from the book ECCLESIASTICAL MEGALOMANIA by John W. Robbins concerning the economic and political thought of the Roman Catholic Church, which reveals her very unhealthy effect upon the same. I highly recommend this book for all who wish to understand the papacies economic and political effect upon those she successfully influences and or controls.


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Roman Catholic economic thought, as developed by the popes in their encyclicals and by Roman Church-State councils, has been a contributor to, if not the only source of, several forms of anti-capitalist political and economic organization during the long hegemony of the Roman Church-State. Among these forms are
1. feudalism and guild socialism in Europe during the Middle ages.
2. fascism in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia, and Latin America in the twentieth century;
3. Nazism in Germany in the twentieth century;
4. interventionism and redistributive state in the West, including the United States in the twentieth century; and
5. liberation theology in Latin America and Africa in the twentieth century.
(Ecclesiastical Megalomania, John W. Robbins, Part 1 Envy Exalted, One - Private Property, pg. 30)

From these doctrines of the natural community of goods and the moral primacy of need developed all the forms of anti-capitalist social organizations that the Roman Church-State has supported for the thousand years. The Roman Catholic doctrine of private property is echoed in the nineteenth century Communist slogan, “From each according to his ability; to each according to his need.” The Roman Catholic doctrine reverberates in the slogan of twentieth century American liberals: “Human rights are more important than property rights.” It was the creed of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society:, “We shall take from the haves and give to the have nots, who need it so much.” It appears in the literature of fascism, Nazism, liberation theology, interventionism, and socialism.(Ibid., pg. 35)

These Thomistic notions - that private property is merely a construct of human reason and government, and that need gives the needy title to the goods of others - are the reason the Roman Catholic bishops in Brazil in 1998 pronounced that looting is neither sin nor a crime. The needs of the looters gives the looters title to the goods they are taking. According to Roman Catholic doctrine, the looters are, by natural and divine law, the rightful owners of those goods.(Ibid., pgs. 35&36)

The dispensing of riches to the needy is not merely a private moral obligation in Thomisitic thought, as fundamentally important as that is, but a public legal obligation that is properly enforced by the public authorities. That is the position officially adopted by the Roman Church-State shall become abundantly clear.(Ibid., pg. 37)

Please note the words: “All other rights whatsoever, including those of property and of free commerce, are to be subordinated to this principle.” “All other rights whatsoever,” of course, includes not only the right to private property and the right to free enterprise, but the rights to worship, speak, teach, write, think, and publish freely - indeed, the right to life itself. In Roman Catholic economic thought, there is a hierarchy of principles, and the most important of these principles, to which all others are subordinate, is the principle of the universal destination of goods. This is the economic corollary of the principles of solidarity, which we shall discuss in Part 2 on Roman Catholic political thought.(Ibid., Two, The Universal Destination of Goods, pg. 39) 

Much of the interference by federal, state, and local governments in the affairs of citizens, both Joe Klein and the papacy have told us, is due to Roman Catholic influence in American politics. Corrupt municipal political machines were constructed and operated by Roman Catholics, following the Church-State’s support for a policy of effective interference: Tammany Hall, the Daley machine, the Curley machine, and so on. Klein could have mentioned much more. Following Vatican directives, Roman Catholic politicians, legislators, and intellectuals brought us the Progressive movement, the labor union movement, the graduated income tax, the New Deal, and the growth of government in the United States. The growth of government was not only in the United States, of course; perhaps the United States, because it is the nation in which biblical Christianity had the most impact, is also the place where the least growth of government has occurred. In other nations in which Roman Catholic influence was greater, governments became ever more socialist than they did in the United States. In Italy, for example, an overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country, the Communist Party was once the largest Communist Party in the world outside of the Soviet Union and China. The nationalization, taxation, and regulation of private enterprise and life have progressed much further in other countries than they have in the United States. One of the reasons is that Roman Catholicism theoretically justifies and has historically fostered authoritarian, interventionist -  not to say totalitarian - governments.”(Ibid., Three, Rerum Novarum, On the Condition of the Working Class, pg. 47)”

The above testimony is now 22 years old. Much has happened since then concerning the economic and political establishment of Roman Catholic thought, or shall we say social justice, since then. We are far more like the predominantly Catholic influenced nations mentioned in the above quotes today. Of course open boarders, and therefore the continued mass migration of Roman Catholics from our southern boarder, will only increase no doubt the continued Romanization of our country.

This is not to mention our now second Roman Catholic President, who contradicting the beliefs and testimony of our first one, has publicly announced his intentions to work closely with the Pope of Rome. Or the ever increasing numbers of Catholics occupying all three branches of our federal government, and all levels of our state governments. Biden immediately trashed our former President’s efforts to contain illegal immigration at our borders, impeded the flow of oil into our country, supports increasingly authoritarian mandates concerning Covid-19, masks, and mandatory vaccination, and so on and so forth.  All of this directly in line with Papally expressed and intended wealth redistribution, social justice, and establishment of the so called “common good”.

Babylon must continue her work, not only here but on the global scale, until all the kings, merchants, tradesman, entertainers, and what have you, of the world have drunk of her wine and succumbed to her intoxication. Unto the formation of the final global beast of biblical prophecy. God help us, and He will.

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Chapter 13
Catholicism Capitalism Socialism and Communism.


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TIME

Cover Story: The Holy Alliance

By CARL BERNSTEIN Sunday, June 24, 2001

Only President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II were present in the Vatican Library on Monday, June 7, 1982. It was the first time the two had met, and they talked for 50 minutes. In the same wing of the papal apartments, Agostino Cardinal Casaroli and Archbishop Achille Silvestrini met with Secretary of State Alexander Haig and Judge William Clark, Reagan's National Security Adviser. Most of their discussion focused on Israel's invasion of Lebanon, then in its second day; Haig told them Prime Minister Menachem Begin had assured him that the invasion would not go farther than 25 miles inside Lebanon.

But Reagan and the Pope spent only a few minutes reviewing events in the Middle East. Instead they remained focused on a subject much closer to their heart: Poland and the Soviet dominance of Eastern Europe. In that meeting, Reagan and the Pope agreed to undertake a clandestine campaign to hasten the dissolution of the communist empire. Declares Richard Allen, Reagan's first National Security Adviser: "This was one of the great secret alliances of all time.”

The operation was focused on Poland, the most populous of the Soviet satellites in Eastern Europe and the birthplace of John Paul II. Both the Pope and the President were convinced that Poland could be broken out of the Soviet orbit if the Vatican and the U.S. committed their resources to destabilizing the Polish government and keeping the outlawed Solidarity movement alive after the declaration of martial law in 1981.

Until Solidarity's legal status was restored in 1989 it flourished underground, supplied, nurtured and advised largely by the network established under the auspices of Reagan and John Paul II. Tons of equipment -- fax machines (the first in Poland), printing presses, transmitters, telephones, shortwave radios, video cameras, photocopiers, telex machines, computers, word processors -- were smuggled into Poland via channels established by priests and American agents and representatives of the AFL-CIO and European labor movements. Money for the banned union came from CIA funds, the National Endowment for Democracy, secret accounts in the Vatican and Western trade unions.

Lech Walesa and other leaders of Solidarity received strategic advice -- often conveyed by priests or American and European labor experts working undercover in Poland -- that reflected the thinking of the Vatican and the Reagan Administration. As the effectiveness of the resistance grew, the stream of information to the West about the internal decisions of the Polish government and the contents of Warsaw's communications with Moscow became a flood. The details came not only from priests but also from spies within the Polish government…………………………………….

The above quote from a TIME magazine article is not the opening of a chapter investigating the alliance of President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II against atheistic Soviet Communism. Though there have been many articles written addressing the same, few if any have been in light of our nations Constitutional amendment seeking to maintain a separation between the powers of church and state. This, that neither might infringe upon the powers of the other, resulting in the loss of liberty or individual rights of our citizens. There is simply far too much to say and or keep up with regarding the same, with so few people even aware or interested enough to address these most important issues. Protestantism, and the SDA church in particular, have completely dropped the ball concerning these most dangerous machinations of Roman Catholic religio-politcal intent.
 
The article is quoted presently, in order to examine the papacies willingness to use nations, politicians, and peoples with whom she does not agree concerning many issues, to help establish her own political agenda. Nations, politicians, and peoples whom she has, does, and will continue to even turn upon once that political agenda is achieved. Her supposed alliances are nothing more than political manipulation of those she can use to establish her vision and authority, to be fostered or betrayed as necessary to the same. This is the course she has, is, and will continue to maintain until all real or perceived threats to her own supremacy have been successfully neutralized. Something all of her “allies” of the present might want to keep in mind.

The recent history of the papacies alliance with the United States in order to overthrow Russian atheistic Communism, is a prime example of such manipulation. This task having been accomplished, the papacy has now moved on in more recent years to intensify her seeming betrayal of these United States themselves, as they pose a threat to her supremacy as well. In contrast to her temporary alliance with the US against Soviet Communism in the recent past, the present Pope and Papacy praise Chinese Communism as a fine example and implementation of their vision of the common good. This while they consistently bash and trash the evils of Capitalism. Her attacks are proclaimed and echoed by her myriad of minions including religious and political leaders, main stream media, actors and actresses in countless movies and television shows, big Tech. companies who control and manipulate what can or cannot even be spoken of on  their mega platforms, huge corporations, and countless grass roots organizations, movements, and activists. A great many of the leaders of whom have met with the Pope of Rome Himself, if not others of the Vatican or Vatican global network. From which they no doubt continue to receive communique and instruction.

The real cause of the papacies non stop effect, influence, and or convulsions within or upon nations is not so much intended betrayal by her members or supporters, but the nature of the institution itself. The presence of the papacy within the political construct of any country, kingdom, or nation, is in fact the presence of a foreign political construct or nation within the same. Her natural effect upon nations therefore, is the subversion of said nations by her presence within, upon all matters of disagreement between them. Her nature as an institution which claims universal authority upon all spiritual and or temporal matters, literally sets her against all and any in disagreement with her own vision, within every nation her adherents and supporters occupy. The only remedies for this situation are to either expel her adherents or supporters, subjugate the nation to the same, or have and maintain a complete separation of Church and State. The latter being an integral part of the founding of these United States of
America concerning the political aspirations of all “religions”, “Christianity” in particular.

This was not intended to be detrimental toward authentic Christianity, but rather to place its effect rightly upon the path of personal conviction over and above coercive mandate. For there is no authentic Christianity built upon coercive mandates, but only and ever of personal individual conviction and conversion. The Roman Catholic Church itself is the Mother of all apostate “Christianity”, of coercion over and above conversion. All apostate forms of “Christianity” do and must devolve unto coercion and mandates, having lost the power of the Holy Spirit of God unto conviction and conversion by way of the truths contained in the holy scriptures.

During her first rise to political power, the Christ professing church of Rome began to compromise with the pagan world around them. Eventually gaining the favor of the Roman Emperor himself, a devout worshiper of the Sun who accepted “Christianity” as well it seems, in order to bring the discordant religions to a settled conformity unto a unified Empire under one leader. His success only further developed the compromises between “Christianity” and Paganism. First in himself professing and practicing certain aspects of both “Christianity” and Sun worship, that is to say Son, and Sun worship. Then he made his armies and subjects the same by decree. Commanding all to become Catholic. This form of “Christianity” by decree though, only opened the door to countless unconverted pagans who entered the now temporally established Catholic Church, and brought the full weight of their pagan beliefs, ideologies, and influence with them. The amalgamation of which, is known today as Roman Catholicism.

In A.D. 323 Constantine issued his edict against the Novatians, Valentinians, Marcionites, Paulians, Cataphrygians, commanding them all to enter and unite with the Catholic Church -


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“Forasmuch, then, as it is no longer possible to bear with your pernicious errors, we give warning by this present statute that none of you henceforth presume to assemble yourselves together. We have directed, accordingly, that you be deprived of all the houses in which you are accustomed to hold your assemblies: and our care in this respect extends so far as to forbid the holding of your superstitious and senseless meetings, not in public merely, but in any private house or place whatsoever. Let those of you, therefore, who are desirous of embracing the true and pure religion, take the far better course of entering the Catholic Church, and uniting with it in holy fellowship, whereby you will be enabled to arrive at the knowledge of the truth. In any case, the delusions of your perverted understandings must entirely cease to mingle with and mar the felicity of our present times; I mean the impious and wretched doublemindedness of heretics and schismatics. For it is an object worthy of that prosperity which we enjoy through the favor of God, to endeavor to bring back those who in time past were living in the hope of future blessing, from all irregularity and error, to the right path, from darkness to light, from vanity to truth, from death to salvation. And in order that this remedy may be applied with effectual power, we have commanded (as before said), that you be positively deprived of every gathering point for your superstitious meetings; I mean all the houses of prayer (if such be worthy of the name) which belong to heretics, and that these be made over without delay to the Catholic Church; that any other places be confiscated to the public service, and no facility whatever be left for any future gathering; in order that from this day forward none of your unlawful assemblies may presume to appear in any public or private place. Let this edict be made public.”
( Eusebius’s- “Life of Constantine,” book 3, chaps. 64, 65. )

Even though Constantine unified the Roman Empire once again, strengthening it for the short duration of his own life, his blessing and establishment of apostate temporally supported and enforced “Christianity” contributed heavily to the dissolution of the empire itself. It was the establishment of a dividing and ruinous new religion which became nothing other than an entity of competition for power and control against, over, and above authentic Christianity or any other religion, and every form of government or political structure it would ever exist within. A religion professing temporal and spiritual power above any and all others of this earth, standing in the place of God Himself over humanity. One which would prove a curse to humanity for many centuries during what has been rightly termed in the past, the dark ages. Never have the following words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ been more true regarding any institution, than they are regarding the practice and history of Roman Catholicism.

Mt 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

God alone knows and will reveal the disastrous effects of the non stop power struggles within nations which this institution has stirred, inspired, or instigated. She has left an endless trail of human suffering in her wake of wars, persecutions, genocides, and crusades throughout history. The increasing division and chaos we see developing in this nation and world presently, is directly connected to her increasing power and influence within it once again. She is at war with all the forms of government and peoples now in existence, which do not acknowledge her self proclaimed superior leadership, and is ever preaching to an increasing number of duped globalist minions heeding the same. Her goal is global government directed by her self proclaimed superior understanding and intellect as provided she believes by God Himself.

The governments and politicians cooperating with the papacy today in order to establish the global unification of humanities various and often discordant politics, religions, societies, and so on, are following in the footsteps of Constantine who sought the same for his empire, that he might more easily rule all of the same. They are dealing with the same crafty women, arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations. The result will be the same as well, truly dark days of abusive and authoritarian global government. There will be no dark ages though. Her rule this time around will be very short lived, and those who have willingly joined and or submitted to her, will viciously turn upon her. This when they realize their mistake at the literal coming and presence of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords returning to end all oppressive rule and establish His own for ever.


Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. ………………..
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. ……………………………
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


As already stated in the previous chapter, the Vatican continues to send out political instruction for her minions in Encyclicals, Doctrinal Notes, and what have you. Roman Catholic AOC’s New Green Deal, was not new or hers, but largely founded upon the papal Encyclical LAUDATO SI’. The papacy is very involved in the whole Climate Change Control agenda which is part of her social justice agenda as well, which is tied directly to the establishment of her common good. Her politicians introduce bills in countries the world over that are guided by her instruction, and she entertains ambassadors from virtually every nation on earth. She has a permanent seat at the UN, and the present UN Secretary General is a Roman Catholic Socialist. Catholic leadership is now in place over almost the entire western hemisphere, and much of Europe. There is no separating therefore, the direction this world is heading in, from the ever intrusive and coercive tending influences of the papacy.

There is no keeping up with her relentless political activities and endeavors the world over. The Pope of Rome has, does, and will continue to meet with the religious leaders, politicians, rich, powerful, influential, famous, and activists of this world in order to turn them Rome-ward bound. He travels to meet them, and they travel and consider it a privilege to meet him. Their ever increasing tendencies toward elitist authoritarian and global government, are a direct result of these meetings and the papal influence exerted at them. For some years I chronicled these meetings on an online message board, but there was no keeping up with it all. There is no other network in the world that can even compare to the Vaticans tentacles reaching into the religion, politics, business, societies, and fabric of this world over. Her influence, or intoxication shall we say, was accurately predicted in the holy scriptures for these end days.


Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication…………………………….

Rev 17:8 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth……………………..

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies…………………………

Rev 18:10 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, 18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

It is Babylon the great, who is involved with and leads the kings and rulers of this earth, along with the merchants and businesses, and tradesman, and craftsmen, and laborers, and sailors, and musicians, and entertainers, and all of the earth outside of God’s spiritual kingdom upon the same, unto ruin and destruction. We will now leave the examination of the machinations of the Church of Rome within this world, which continues and will do so in the world until it’s end. In the following chapters we will examine Protestant thought regarding religion and politics, and their proper spheres. Which thought, based upon scriptural enlightenment, greatly influenced the principles our founding fathers built this nations government upon. Which principles the papacy has always been at war with, because they undermine her claim and methodology of usurping and maintaining her own authority above every other.
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Chapter 14

Luther

In the following chapters we will be examining excerpts from the writings of Protestant Reformers and some of the founding fathers of this nation. While some may find them to be a bit lengthy and even redundant, the writer feels the importance of establishing the true historical facts concerning the sentiments of some of the main contributors to the freedoms and liberties established by our nation in the formation of its government. Let it be kept in mind as well, that these  writings were addressing heavily Roman Catholic influenced and supported governments of the day. The Reformers lives themselves being endangered at the time, for daring to contradict or speak against the temporally established Roman Catholicism of the day.

Excerpts from -
Martin Luther  - Temporal Authority: To What Extent it Should Be Obeyed 1523.

Emphasis in the following quotes is mine.

.....................For God the Almighty has made our rulers mad; they actually think they can do-and order their subjects to do-whatever they please. And the subjects make the mistake of believing that they, in turn, are bound to obey their rulers in everything. It has gone so far that the rulers have begun ordering the people to get rid of certain books, and to believe and conform to what the rulers prescribe. They are thereby presumptuously setting themselves in God's place, lording it over men's consciences and faith, and schooling the Holy Spirit according to their own crackbrained ideas.

Third. Here we must divide the children of Adam and all mankind into two classes, the first belonging to the kingdom of God, the second to the kingdom of the world. Those who belong to the kingdom of God are all true believers who are in Christ and under Christ, for Christ is King and Lords in the kingdom of God, as Psalm 2:6 and all of Scripture says. For this reason he came into the world, that he might begin God's kingdom and establish it in the world. Therefore, he says before Pilate, “My kingdom is not of the world, but every one who is of the truth hears my voice." [John 18:36-37]. In the gospel he continually refers to the kingdom of God, and says, "Amend your ways, the kingdom of God and his righteousness" [Matt. 6:33] . He also calls the gospel a gospel of the kingdom of God; because it teaches, governs, and upholds God's kingdom.

Fourth. All who are not Christians belong to the kingdom of the world and are under the law. There are few true believers, and still fewer who live a Christian life, who do not resist evil and indeed themselves do no evil. For this reason God has provided for them a different government beyond the Christian estate and kingdom of God. He has subjected them to the sword so that, even though they would like to, they are unable to practice their wickedness, and if they do practice it they cannot do so without fear or with success and impunity.

As is obvious from the above, Luther’s vision for humanity did not include those of the kingdom of God, unifying with those of the kingdoms of this world. The two are separate. Nor as already mentioned, could unifying them ever make any kind of representation of the undivided city of God. The Papal vision, and the truly Protestant vision are, always have been, and always will be not only completely different, but also antagonistic. Today we see the papal vision of uniting the Kingdom of God with the kingdoms of this world again, in their global unification of humanity vision, placing the papacy above all else once again also. A resurrection if you will, of the Holy Roman Empire under a new guise.

To such a one we must say: Certainly it is true that Christians, so far as they themselves are concerned, are subject neither to law nor sword, have need of either. But take heed and first fill the world with real Christian before you attempt to rule it in a Christian or evangelical manner. This you will never accomplish; for the world and the masses are and always will be un-Christian, even if they are all baptized and Christian in names. Christians are few and far between (as they say is). Therefore, it is out of the question that there should be a common Christian government over the whole world, or indeed over a single country or any considerable body of the people, for the wicked always outnumber the good. Hence, a man who would venture to govern an entire country or the world with the gospel would be like a shepherd who should put together in one fold wolves, lions, eagles, and sheep, and let them mingle freely with one another, saying, "Help yourselves, and be good and peaceful toward one another. The fold is open, there is plenty of food. You need have no fear of dogs and clubs." The sheep would doubtless keep the peace and allow themselves to be fed and governed peacefully, but they would not live long, nor would one beast survive another.

Here again we see very different and antagonistic views relating to government. It is the papacies intention to do exactly what Luther in the above asserts to be absurd, that is to unite all of humanity into one fold, under her “Christian” direction and leadership.

This is also why Christ did not wield the sword, or give it a place in his kingdom. For he is a king over Christians and rulers by his Holy Spirit alone, without law. Although he sanctions the sword, he did not make use of it, for it serves no purpose in his kingdom, in which there are none but the upright. Hence, David of old was not permitted to build the temple [II Sam. 7:4-13], because he had wielded the sword and had shed much blood. Not that he had done wrong thereby, but because he could not be a type of Christ, who without the sword was to have a kingdom of peace. It had to be built instead by Solomon, whose name in German means "Frederich" or "peaceful"; he had a peaceful kingdom, by which the truly peaceful kingdom of Christ, the real Frederich and Solomon, could be represented. Again, "during the entire building of the temple no tool of iron was heard," as the text says [1 Kings 6:7]; all for this reason, that Christ, without constraint and force, without law and sword, was to have a people who would serve him willingly.

The papacy has constantly used the sword throughout her history to force her form of “Christianity” upon all. For the most part using the civil authorities that submitted to her will to do so. Just as now, in the Encyclicals we examined, she appeals to all the leaders of the earth to carry out her plans. All that do and will, are and will be guilty of reestablishing the dark ages. They will once again be subordinating the state to the Church of Rome.

Does she not fully support one unconstitutional mandate after another which the elitists demand is for our own good, or shall we say the papacies common good? Yes, she supports if not straight forward helped to create the Climate Change control agenda through fear. The plandemic government enforced business, work, and personal life shut downs or lockdowns. Mask mandates. Vaccine mandates and proof of the same or no freedom. She has supported one authoritative form of government after another after another all throughout her history, and she fully supports their on going development right now. This through taking advantage of every real or created crisis which occurs, using the fear produced during the same to convince all to sacrifice their God given liberties to the promise of a state that will protect and or save them.
   


Part Two
How Far Temporal Authority Extends

The temporal government has laws which extend no further than to life and property and external affairs on earth, for God cannot and will not permit anyone but himself to rule over the soul. Therefore, where the temporal authority presumes to prescribe laws for the soul, it encroaches upon God's government and only misleads souls and destroys them. We want to make this so clear that everyone will grasp it, and that our fine gentlemen, the princes and bishops, will see what fools they are when they seek to coerce the people with their laws and commandments into believing this or that. When a man-made law is imposed upon the soul to make it believe this or that as its human author may prescribe, there is certainly no word of God for it. If there is no word of God for it, then we cannot be sure whether God wishes to have it so, for we cannot be certain that something which he does not command is pleasing to him. Indeed, we are sure that it does not please him, for he desires that our faith be based simply and entirely on his divine word alone.

Hence, it is the height of folly when they command that one shall believe the Church, the fathers, and the councils, though there be no word of God for it. It is not the church but the devil's apostles who command such things,
for the church commands nothing unless it knows for certain that it is God's word. As St. Peter puts it, "Whoever speaks, let him speak as the word of God" [I Pet. 4:11]. It will be a long time, however, before they can ever prove that the decrees of the councils are God's word. Still more foolish is it when they assert that kings, princes, and the mass of mankind believe thus and so. My dear man, we are not baptized into kings, or princes, or even into the mass of mankind, but into Christ and God himself. Neither are we called kings, princes, or common folk, but Christians. No one shall or can command the soul unless he is able to show it the way to heaven; but this no man can do, only God alone. Therefore, in matters which concern the salvation of souls nothing but God's word shall be taught and accepted.

One will hear no such professions from the papacy. Either about the word of God, or the governing powers having no say in spiritual matters between each individual and God. To the contrary, she still believes as we have examined, that her chosen day of worship should be supported and protected by the law of the land. This apart from the development of her own social doctrines and teachings which she also believes should be implemented through government, and eventually a global government. This is the same old papacy vying for political dominance once again, under a new guise. The results will be exactly the same as the first time. Just about anything will be allowed and tolerated but true biblical Christianity.

Today she has a new ally in the supposed “scientific” community. You know, those intellectual elitists who are always so very very right, until they are proved wrong. Which they have been over and over again throughout history. Never mind this though, according to Rome and the leftists we must all bow to the new god called science, represented by his prophets the “scientists”. Never mind that many others also called “scientists” do not agree with what Rome and the lefties “scientists” preach, only their scientists are of course the real scientists which all must bow before. Sacrificing life and liberty to them out of fear, that they might be protected and saved by them. Nevertheless, all who will trust in the sophistries of this world unto the salvation it offers under the leadership of BABYLON THE GREAT, will be doomed.


Again, consummate fools though they are, they must confess that they have no power over souls. For no human being can kill a soul or give it life, or conduct it to heaven or hell. If they will not take our word for it, Christ himself will attend to it strongly enough where he says in the tenth chapter of Matthew, "Do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing that they can do; rather fear him who after he has killed the body, has power to condemn to hell." I think it is clear enough here that the soul is taken out of all human hands and is placed under the authority of God alone.

Now tell me: How much wit must there be in the head of a person who imposes commands in an area where he has no authority whatsoever? Would you not judge the person insane who commanded the moon to shine whenever he wanted to? How well would it go if Leipzigers were to impose laws on us Wittenbergers, or if, conversely, we in Wittenberg were to legislate for the people of Leipzig! They would certainly send the lawmakers a thank-offering of hellebore to purge their brains and cure their sniffles. Yet our emperor and clever princes are doing just that today. They are allowing pope, bishop, and sophists to lead them on-one blind man leading the other-to command their subjects to believe, without God's word, whatever they please. And still they would be known as Christian princes, God forbid!

A court should and must be quite certain and clear about everything if it is to render judgment. But the thoughts and inclinations of the soul can be known to no one but God. Therefore, it is futile and impossible to command or compel anyone by force to believe this or that. The matter must be approached in a different way. Force will not accomplish it. And I am surprised at the big fools, for they themselves all say: De occultis non Ecclesia, the church does not judge secret matters. If the spiritual rule of the church governs only public matters, how dare the mad temporal authority judge and control such a secret, spiritual, hidden matter as faith?


Is it any mystery from the above that the evolution of Protestant thought concerning the role of government and the rights of individuals ended with a Constitution aimed at maintaining a separation of church and state? Nor is there any mystery concerning which church was influencing and supporting the kings and princes of the above in their folly. It was the papacy, which is at this very moment in time and history reestablishing the very same folly on a global scale. There may be new terminology, new issues, and new circumstance, but the goal and end result is and will be the same. It is the papacy dictating the government all over again, and it will lead to the exact same place that it did the first time.

Would you like to know why God ordains that the temporal princes must offend so frightfully? I will tell you. God has given them to a base mind [Rom. 1:28] and will make an end of them just as he does of the spiritual nobility. For my ungracious lords, the pope and the bishops, are supposed to be bishops and preach God's word. This they leave undone, and have become temporal princes who govern with laws which concern only life and property. How completely they have turned things topsy-turvy! They are supposed to be ruling souls inwardly by God's word; so they rule castles, cities, lands, and people outwardly, torturing, souls with unspeakable outrages.

Have we not just read two papal documents doing exactly what Luther points out in the above? They are still more concerned with governing the world, than preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, and teaching all to submit to the authority of God’s word. These two documents though, don’t even begin to scratch the surface of all that has been written by the papacy concerning the same.

If your prince or temporal ruler commands you to side with the pope, to believe thus and so, or to get rid of certain books, you should say, "It is not fitting that Lucifer should sit at the side of God. Gracious sir, I owe you obedience in body and property; command me within the limits of your authority on earth, and I will obey. But if you command me to believe or to get rid of certain books, I will not obey; for then you are a tyrant and overreach yourself, commanding where you have neither the right or the authority," etc.Should he seize your property on account of this and punish such disobedience, then blessed are you; thank God that you are worthy to suffer for the sake of the divine word. Let him rage, fool that he is; he will meet his judge. For I tell you, if you fail to withstand him, if you give in to him and let him take away your faith and your books, you have truly denied God.

Again, you say, "The temporal power is not forcing men to believe; it is simply seeing to it externally that no one deceives the people by false doctrine; how could heretics otherwise be restrained?" Answer: This the bishops should do; it is a function entrusted to them and not to the princes. Heresy can never be restrained by force. One will have to tackle the problem in some other way, for heresy must be opposed and dealt with otherwise than with the sword. Here God's word must do the fighting. If it does not succeed, certainly the temporal power will not succeed either, even if it were to drench the world in blood. Heresy is a spiritual matter which you cannot hack to pieces with iron, consume with fire, or drown in water. God's word alone avails here, as Paul says in II Corinthians 10 {:4-5], "our weapons are not carnal, but mighty in God to destroy every argument and proud obstacle that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and to take every thought captive in the service of Christ.”

There you have it straight from Martin Luther, separation of church and state. Let the church stop telling the temporal authorities what to do, and using them to enforce their dogmas upon all. Let the temporal authorities leave the churches alone, and tend to the temporal not the spiritual. Stay out of each others business.

It should be no surprise today, that we see censorship popping its ugly head back up in the worlds affairs, as the papacy itself becomes increasingly influential among its elected and unelected leaders especially. She has used this power well in the past to silence those dissenting from her views by outlawing the reading of many books, as Luther himself addressed in the above quotes. Today she has and does meet with leaders in communications to exert her influence upon them. She has called for internet regulations in the past to serve her common good and written the document, PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR SOCIAL COMMUNICATIONS ETHICS IN INTERNET, released in 2002. Many nations have sought and established greater internet control since then. The Pope has met with many CEO’s of social media including google, YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Instagram, and has a twitter account I do believe. Here they all are today involved in the censorship of views which conflict with their own lefty social, scientific, and political views. Most of which are directly in line with the papacies views regarding the same.   

The above quotes represent only a small portion the entire article written by Luther. We cannot here examine his and others entire articles for the sake of time and space. I would highly recommend that all Seventh Day Adventists and Protestants for that matter, read the article in it’s entirety. As well as the rest of the articles which will be quoted from in the following chapters. Those who wish to continue the Reformation, should of course be thoroughly familiar with its history, and the crucial issues involved for all of humanity. It is most certainly a lack of this knowledge, that allows for the reestablishment of abusive forms of government from the past, under perhaps new guises. Of course everyone understands that forgetting the lessons learned in our past, opens the door to repeating those same mistakes again.
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Chapter 15

Excerpts From -
A Treatise of Civil power In Ecclesiastical causes
Shewing That it is not lawfull for any power on earth to 
compell in matters of Religion.
1659

John Milton

Emphasis in the following quotes is mine.

Let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another: for every man shall bear his own burden. If then we count it so ignorant and irreligious in the papist to think himself dischargd in Gods account, beleeving only as the church beleevs, how much greater condemnation will it be to the protestant his condemner, to think himself justified, beleeving only as the state beleevs? With good cause, therfore, it is the general consent of all sound protestant writers that neither traditions, councels nor canons of any visible church, much less edicts of any magistrate or civil session, but the scripture only can be the final judge or rule in matters of religion, and that only in the conscience of every Christian to himself. Which protestation made by the first publick reformers of our religion against the imperial edicts of Charls the fifth, imposing church-traditions without scripture, gave first beginning to the name of Protestant; and with that name hath ever bin receivd this doctrine, which preferrs the scripture before the church, and acknowledges none but the Scripture sole interpreter of it self to the conscience.................................. .........

In apostolic times therfore ere the scripture was written, heresie was a doctrin maintaind against the doctrin by them deliverd: which in these times can be no otherwise defin'd then a doctrin maintaind against the light, which we now only have, of the scripture. Seeing therfore that no man, no synod, no session of men, though calld the church, can judge definitively the sense of scripture to another mans conscience, which is well known to be a general maxim of the Protestant religion, it follows planely that he who holds in religion that beleef or those opinions which to his conscience and utmost understanding appeer with most evidence or probabilitie in the scripture, though to others he seem erroneous, can no more be justly censur'd for a heretic then his censurers; who do but the same thing themselves while they censure him for so doing. For ask them, or any Protestant, which hath most autoritie, the church or the scripture? they will answer, doubtless, that the scripture: and what hath most autoritie, that no doubt but they will confess is to be followd. He then who to his best apprehension follows the scripture, though against any point of doctrine by the whole church receivd, is not the heretic; but he who follows the church against his conscience and perswasion grounded on the scripture................................... ............................................ ................
 
To protestants, therfore, whose common rule and touchstone is the scripture, nothing can with more conscience, more equitie, nothing more protestantly can be permitted then a free and lawful debate at all times by writing, conference or disputation of what opinion soever, disputable by scripture: concluding, that no man in religion is properly a heretic at this day, but he who maintains traditions or opinions not probable by scripture; who, for aught I know, is the papist only; he the only heretic, who counts all heretics but himself. Such as these, indeed, were capitally punishd by the law of Moses, as the only true heretics, idolaters, plane and open deserters of God and his known law: but in the gospel such are punished by excommunion only………………………………………………………………..

But I have mentiond this passage to shew how absurd they often prove who have not learnd to distinguish rightly between civil power and ecclesiastical. How many persecutions then, imprisonments, banishments penalties, and stripes; how much bloodshed have the forcers of conscience to answer for, and protestants rather then papists! For the papist, judging by his principles, punishes them who beleeve not as the church beleevs though against the scripture; but the protestant, teaching every one to beleeve the scripture though against the church, counts heretical and persecutes, against his own principles, them who in any particular so beleeve as he in general teaches them……………

In comparison of which as it is here thus magnificently describ'd, how uneffectual and weak is outward force with all her boistrous tooles, to the shame of those Christians and especially those churchmen, who to the exercising of church discipline never cease calling on the civil magistrate to interpose his fleshlie force; an argument that all true ministerial and spiritual power is dead within them: who think the gospel, which both began and spread over the whole world for above three hundred years under heathen and persecuting emperors, cannot stand or continue, supported by the same divine presence and protection to the worlds end, much easier under the defensive favor onely of a Christian magistrate, unless it be enacted and settled, as they call it, by the state, a statute or a state-religion: and understand not that the church itself cannot, much less the state, settle or impose one tittle of religion upon our obedience implicit, but can only recommend or propound it to our free and conscientious examination: unless they mean to set the state higher then the church in religion, and with a grosse contradiction give to the state in thir settling petition that command of our implicit beleef which they deny in thir setled confession both to the state and to the church...................................... .............

A fourth reason why the magistrate ought not to use force in religion I bring from the consideration of all those ends which he can likely pretend to the interposing of his force therin: and those hardly can be other then first the glorie of God; next, either the spiritual good of them whom he forces, or the temporal punishment of their scandal to others. As for the promoting of Gods glory, none, I think, will say that his glorie ought to be promoted in religious things by unwarrantable means, much less by means contrarie to what he hath commanded. That outward force is such, and that Gods glory in the whole administration of the gospel according to his own will and councel ought to be fulfilld by weakness, at least so refuted, not by force; or if by force, inward and spiritual, not outward and corporeal, is already prov'd at large. That outward force cannot tend to the good of him who is forc'd in religion, is unquestionable. For in religion whatever we do under the gospel, we ought to be therof perswaded without scruple; and are justified by the faith we have, not by the work we do. Rom. 14. 5. Let every man be fully perswaded in his own mind. The other reason which follows necessarily, is obvious Gal. 2. 16, and in many other places of St. Paul, as the groundwork and foundation of the whole gospel, that we are justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law. if not by the works of Gods law, how then by the injunctions of mans law? Surely force cannot work perswasion, which is faith; cannot therfore justifie nor pacifie the conscience: and that which justifies not in the gospel, condemns, is not only not good, but sinfull to do. Rom. 14. 23. Whatsoever is not of faith, is sin. It concerns the magistrate then to take heed how he forces in religion conscientious men: least by compelling them to do that wherof they cannot be perswaded, that wherin they cannot finde themselves justified, but by thir own consciences condemnd, instead of aiming at thir spiritual good, he force them to do evil; and while he thinks himself Asa, Josia, Nehemia, he be found Jeroboam, who causd Israel to sin; and thereby draw upon his own head all those sins and shipwracks of implicit faith and conformitie, which he hath forc’d, and all the wounds given to those little ones, whom to offend he will finde worse one day then that violent drowning mentioned Matt. 18:6…………………………………………

To compell therfore the prophane to things holy in his prophaneness, is all one under the gospel, as to have compelld the unclean to sacrifice in his uncleanness under the law. And I adde withall, that to compell the licentious in his licentiousness, and the conscientious against his conscience, coms all to one; tends not to the honor of God, but to the multiplying and the aggravating of sin to them both. We read not that Christ ever exercis'd force but once; and that was to drive prophane ones out of his temple, not to force them in: and if thir beeing there was an offense, we finde by many other scriptures that thir praying there was an abomination: and yet to the Jewish law that nation, as a servant, was oblig'd; but to the gospel each person is left voluntarie, calld only, as a son, by the preaching of the word; not to be driven in by edicts and force of arms. For if by the apostle, Rom. 12.1, we are beseechd as brethren by the mercies of God to present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is our reasonable service or worship, then is no man to be forc'd by the compulsive laws of men to present his body a dead sacrifice, and so under the gospel most unholy and unacceptable, because it is his unreasonable service, that is to say, not only unwilling but unconscionable……………………………….

On these four scriptural reasons as on a firm square this truth, the right of Christian and evangelic liberty, will stand immoveable against all those pretended consequences of license and confusion, which for the most part men most licentious and confus'd themselves, or such as whose severitie would be wiser then divine wisdom, are ever aptest to object against the waies of God: as if God without them when he gave us this libertie, knew not of the worst which these men in thir arrogance pretend will follow: yet knowing all their worst, he gave us this liberty as by him judgd best. As to those magistrates who think it their work to settle religion, and those ministers or others, who so oft call upon them to do so, I trust, that having well considerd what hath bin here argu'd, neither they will continue in that intention, nor these in that expectation from them: when they shall finde that the settlement of religion belongs only to each particular church by perswasive and spiritual means within it self, and that the defence only of the church belongs to the magistrate. Had he once learnt not further to concern himself with church affairs, half his labor might be spar'd, and the commonwealth better tended.

Here in the above we see again the Protestant principle of separation of church and state, the belief and conviction of which lead to the establishment clause in our Constitution. Milton was addressing both the Roman Catholic Church, and those Protestant ones as well, which continued her original apostasy by uniting with and adopting the civil power of the state unto compulsion over conversion. The establishment clause of our Constitution is built soundly upon Protestant principles of government supporting liberties and freedoms which cannot be maintained when a church or religion and state are in bed together.

The corrupting influence of power which has plagued almost all governments and humanity itself since the fall, corrupts both church and state when they are not rightly separated. While separate, one may help put in check the corruption of the other, and rightly so. If or when they are joined together though, they simply become double the trouble and power to contend with, when attempting to address or reform the natural tendencies of corruption humanity has. They become the instruments of enforcement of their own ideas and beliefs above and over all others. Eventually trashing the liberties and freedom of conscience of all those in disagreement with them. This dark eventuality has repeated itself over and again throughout the history of this fallen and corrupted planet. It is the hight of blaspheme against God, in that He alone has the right and might to do such, but will not and cannot because such is in fact evil.

Today this process is under way again under a new guise, though the perpetrators themselves are the same as those of old. Religious and political leaders uniting once again to enforce that termed the common good upon all. Which is nothing more or less than the enforcement of their own religious views upon all. Meeting the new boss, is the same as meeting the old boss. Just new players, terminology, politics, and religions. Secular Humanism or Atheism being perhaps the newest main stream religion to plague the planet by its enforcement upon many who disagree with its basic doctrines. Doctrines which are far too often termed today, “factual” science. This new religion as a major political force of this world, is yet another child of the papacy, being birthed in the French Revolution as a total rejection of unbridled Roman Catholic leadership. Which leadership lead to such a tremendous disparity between the rich and poor, that it sparked one of the most violent, bloody, and murderess revolutions in recorded history.

The two classed or tiered society which is the end result of Roman Catholic inspired and enforced government, pits the Clergy against over and above the laity. The supposed Nobility or political class if you will, against over and above the peasants or common citizens if you will. And of course, the rich, famous, and powerful against over and above the poor, ordinary, and powerless masses. These masses created themselves, by the combined and usurped authority the clergy, “nobility”, rich, and powerful proclaim and establish for themselves, over and above everyone else. Their “common good”,  their “equity” which they preach and enforce upon everyone else, which they themselves are not subject to. Excusing themselves, that they need the power, wealth, and what ever else is necessary to force equity upon all others.

What good are elected officials, who ignore their electors, and bow down to unelected elitists? They have and are no good at all, they are in fact evil. Which is exactly why God will eradicate sin and evil forever when He returns. He cannot rule over those who have chosen evil, forcing them to be good, without in fact being evil for doing so. Therefore are they on their own, apart from God. After they are punished for the evil they have chosen above God, they will perish as all things apart from God who alone is eternal, do.
 
The god of this new religion which claims to acknowledge no God, is the state. The state being the highest authority all must answer to. The prophets of this new religion are called “scientists”. These “scientists” show the way to protection and or salvation from the real or created crisis humanity must face. This child of the papacy has of course been adopted into her fold and plays an intricate part in her over all vision of the unification of humanity under the guise of the common good and equity. Most today have become familiar with the term, “believe the science”, which basically means, submit to the fear mongering politics of todays power hungry and grabbing religious and political leaders who are in bed together. Never mind the shifting sand foundations of so called “science”, which is ever changing and or correcting itself as knowledge increases. Proving itself wrong time and time again.


Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The global government these elitist religious, political, and scientific “leaders” are implementing over this little house called earth, is being built upon the shifting sand of their own vainglorious imaginations. The house they are building is in direct defiance of the word of God, and will fall unto utter ruin and destruction at the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ with an innumerable host of mighty angels. At that time they will understand that they have defied the living God, and that their puny sciences were based upon the completely faulty observations of those simply not even privy to what actually is. It is not even possible for fallen humanity to make proper scientific observation and conclusion from within the extremely incarcerated and isolated box of our existence. Cut off and quarantined as we are from God and the rest of creation, on account of our highly contagious disease of the mind called sin. Apart from the word of God we simply have no clue, regarding the vastness of realities beyond our grasp or comprehension.

Rejecting the word of God which alone partially reveals and or opens the mind to such realities, hordes of humanity have fallen prey to fairy tales and vainglorious imaginings regarding our origins and true history. Fairy tale theories of evolution or alien seeded and or influenced societies run amuck. Many actually consider the nonsensical theory of evolution to be “scientific” fact. The alien theory is far more probable than undirected random chance biological evolution as the mechanism of our existence, of course. Nevertheless, those who cast off the creation account in the word of God as a fairly tale, have come up with more than just a few fairy tales of their own to replace it. All of which the papacy accepts or allows for, even fosters, and adopts into her fold. This is her exact purpose as prophesied by God Himself, to hold the golden cup filled with her fornications and abominations, as the mother of the abominations of this earth.


Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Her relations with all of this world’s false religions, politics, sciences, histories, philosophies, and what have you, are just so many spiritual fornications and or adulteries against God while she professes to be the true Church of Christ in this world. Therefore is she the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Seeking and establishing relations with all of the same, in order to increase her power and influence above all others. Even those whom her self declared first pope the apostle Peter, prophesied would come in the last days.

2 Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The present false evolutionary narrative of the day promoted and sustained by the vain imaginings of fallen human pride, preaching the very message warned against in the above scriptures as an example of willing ignorance, has been adopted and supported by the papacy. These deceived “elitist scientists” now seek to and have imposed liberty crushing and unconstitutional mandates upon all according to their delusions of grandeur. They are fully supported if not inspired in the first place, by the papacies own delusions of grandeur effected by her non stop compromises with the powers that be of this world, in defiance of the God of heaven and earth. She readily inspires and joins in their fear mongering politics, based upon their own delusional ranting and ravings to save the world from Climate Change, plandemics, pandemics, economic disasters, population issues, social justice equity, and on and on. While she should be warning the world to prepare to meet their God face to face, who has told us He will destroy this world at that appearing, she instead joins in and supports those who think they can save it from the real or imaginary crisis within it. All of which by the way, were predicted in the word of God long before any of these elitist religious and political leaders existed.

All of these papally inspired and or supported delusional endeavors of global control are in direct contradiction to the principles of freedom and liberty promulgated in holy scripture. They are in fact a direct fulfillment of Biblical prophecy concerning the final beast, deception, and endeavors of BABYLON THE GREAT, depicted in the holy scriptures. So be it, come Lord Jesus.
 
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Chapter 16

Excerpts From -
A Letter Concerning Toleration
by John Locke 
1689
translated by William Popple


Honoured Sir,

Since you are pleased to inquire what are my thoughts about the mutual toleration of Christians in their different professions of religion, I must needs answer you freely that I esteem that toleration to be the chief characteristic mark of the true Church. For whatsoever some people boast of the antiquity of places and names, or of the pomp of their outward worship; others, of the reformation of their discipline; all, of the orthodoxy of their faith - for everyone is orthodox to himself - these things, and all others of this nature, are much rather marks of men striving for power and empire over one another than of the Church of Christ. Let anyone have never so true a claim to all these things, yet if he be destitute of charity, meekness, and good-will in general towards all mankind, even to those that are not Christians, he is certainly yet short of being a true Christian himself. "The kings of the Gentiles exercise leadership over them," said our Saviour to his disciples, "but ye shall not be so."* The business of true religion is quite another thing. It is not instituted in order to the erecting of an external pomp, nor to the obtaining of ecclesiastical dominion, nor to the exercising of compulsive force, but to the regulating of men's lives, according to the rules of virtue and piety. Whosoever will list himself under the banner of Christ, must, in the first place and above all things, make war upon his own lusts and vices.......................................

Now, I appeal to the consciences of those that persecute, torment, destroy, and kill other men upon pretence of religion, whether they do it out of friendship and kindness towards them or no? And I shall then indeed, and not until then, believe they do so, when I shall see those fiery zealots correcting, in the same manner, their friends and familiar acquaintance for the manifest sins they commit against the precepts of the Gospel; when I shall see them persecute with fire and sword the members of their own communion that are tainted with enormous vices and without amendment are in danger of eternal perdition; and when I shall see them thus express their love and desire of the salvation of their souls by the infliction of torments and exercise of all manner of cruelties. For if it be out of a principle of charity, as they pretend, and love to men's souls that they deprive them of their estates, maim them with corporal punishments, starve and torment them in noisome prisons, and in the end even take away their lives - I say, if all this be done merely to make men Christians and procure their salvation, why then do they suffer whoredom, fraud, malice, and such-like enormities, which (according to the apostle)*(4) manifestly relish of heathenish corruption, to predominate so much and abound amongst their flocks and people? These, and such-like things, are certainly more contrary to the glory of God, to the purity of the Church, and to the salvation of souls, than any conscientious dissent from ecclesiastical decisions, or separation from public worship, whilst accompanied with innocence of life. Why, then, does this burning zeal for God, for the Church, and for the salvation of souls - burning I say, literally, with fire and faggot - pass by those moral vices and wickednesses, without any chastisement, which are acknowledged by all men to be diametrically opposite to the profession of Christianity, and bend all its nerves either to the introducing of ceremonies, or to the establishment of opinions, which for the most part are about nice and intricate matters, that exceed the capacity of ordinary understandings?.................

Now, though the divisions that are amongst sects should be allowed to be never so obstructive of the salvation of souls; yet, nevertheless, adultery, fornication, uncleanliness, lasciviousness, idolatry, and such-like things, cannot be denied to be works of the flesh, concerning which the apostle has expressly declared that "they who do them shall not inherit the kingdom of God."* Whosoever, therefore, is sincerely solicitous about the kingdom of God and thinks it his duty to endeavour the enlargement of it amongst men, ought to apply himself with no less care and industry to the rooting out of these immoralities than to the extirpation of sects. But if anyone do otherwise, and whilst he is cruel and implacable towards those that differ from him in opinion, he be indulgent to such iniquities and immoralities as are unbecoming the name of a Christian, let such a one talk never so much of the Church, he plainly demonstrates by his actions that it is another kingdom he aims at and not the advancement of the kingdom of God...

That any man should think fit to cause another man - whose salvation he heartily desires - to expire in torments, and that even in an unconverted state, would, I confess, seem very strange to me, and I think, to any other also. But nobody, surely, will ever believe that such a carriage can proceed from charity, love, or goodwill. If anyone maintain that men ought to be compelled by fire and sword to profess certain doctrines, and conform to this or that exterior worship, without any regard had unto their morals; if anyone endeavour to convert those that are erroneous unto the faith, by forcing them to profess things that they do not believe and allowing them to practise things that the Gospel does not permit, it cannot be doubted indeed but such a one is desirous to have a numerous assembly joined in the same profession with himself; but that he principally intends by those means to compose a truly Christian Church is altogether incredible. It is not, therefore, to be wondered at if those who do not really contend for the advancement of the true religion, and of the Church of Christ, make use of arms that do not belong to the Christian warfare. If, like the Captain of our salvation, they sincerely desired the good of souls, they would tread in the steps and follow the perfect example of that Prince of Peace, who sent out His soldiers to the subduing of nations, and gathering them into His Church, not armed with the sword, or other instruments of force, but prepared with the Gospel of peace and with the exemplary holiness of their conversation. This was His method. Though if infidels were to be converted by force, if those that are either blind or obstinate were to be drawn off from their errors by armed soldiers, we know very well that it was much more easy for Him to do it with armies of heavenly legions than for any son of the Church, how potent soever, with all his dragoons.

The toleration of those that differ from others in matters of religion is so agreeable to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and to the genuine reason of mankind, that it seems monstrous for men to be so blind as not to perceive the necessity and advantage of it in so clear a light....................................... ........................

I esteem it above all things necessary to distinguish exactly the business of civil government from that of religion and to settle the just bounds that lie between the one and the other. If this be not done, there can be no end put to the controversies that will be always arising between those that have, or at least pretend to have, on the one side, a concernment for the interest of men's souls, and, on the other side, a care of the commonwealth................................ ...........

Now that the whole jurisdiction of the magistrate reaches only to these civil concernments, and that all civil power, right and dominion, is bounded and confined to the only care of promoting these things; and that it neither can nor ought in any manner to be extended to the salvation of souls, these following considerations seem unto me abundantly to demonstrate.

First, because the care of souls is not committed to the civil magistrate, any more than to other men. It is not committed unto him, I say, by God; because it appears not that God has ever given any such authority to one man over another as to compel anyone to his religion. Nor can any such power be vested in the magistrate by the consent of the people, because no man can so far abandon the care of his own salvation as blindly to leave to the choice of any other, whether prince or subject, to prescribe to him what faith or worship he shall embrace.............................

In the second place, the care of souls cannot belong to the civil magistrate, because his power consists only in outward force; but true and saving religion consists in the inward persuasion of the mind, without which nothing can be acceptable to God. And such is the nature of the understanding, that it cannot be compelled to the belief of anything by outward force. Confiscation of estate, imprisonment, torments, nothing of that nature can have any such efficacy as to make men change the inward judgement that they have framed of things.

It may indeed be alleged that the magistrate may make use of arguments, and, thereby; draw the heterodox into the way of truth, and procure their salvation. I grant it; but this is common to him with other men. In teaching, instructing, and redressing the erroneous by reason, he may certainly do what becomes any good man to do. Magistracy does not oblige him to put off either humanity or Christianity; but it is one thing to persuade, another to command; one thing to press with arguments, another with penalties. This civil power alone has a right to do; to the other, goodwill is authority enough. Every man has commission to admonish, exhort, convince another of error, and, by reasoning, to draw him into truth; but to give laws, receive obedience, and compel with the sword, belongs to none but the magistrate. And, upon this ground, I affirm that the magistrate's power extends not to the establishing of any articles of faith, or forms of worship, by the force of his laws. For laws are of no force at all without penalties, and penalties in this case are absolutely impertinent, because they are not proper to convince the mind. Neither the profession of any articles of faith, nor the conformity to any outward form of worship (as has been already said), can be available to the salvation of souls, unless the truth of the one and the acceptableness of the other unto God be thoroughly believed by those that so profess and practise. But penalties are no way capable to produce such belief. It is only light and evidence that can work a change in men's opinions; which light can in no manner proceed from corporal sufferings, or any other outward penalties................................... ............................................ .....

Let us now consider what a church is. A church, then, I take to be a voluntary society of men, joining themselves together of their own accord in order to the public worshipping of God in such manner as they judge acceptable to Him, and effectual to the salvation of their souls.

I say it is a free and voluntary society. Nobody is born a member of any church; otherwise the religion of parents would descend unto children by the same right of inheritance as their temporal estates, and everyone would hold his faith by the same tenure he does his lands, than which nothing can be imagined more absurd. Thus, therefore, that matter stands. No man by nature is bound unto any particular church or sect, but everyone joins himself voluntarily to that society in which he believes he has found that profession and worship which is truly acceptable to God. The hope of salvation, as it was the only cause of his entrance into that communion, so it can be the only reason of his stay there. For if afterwards he discover anything either erroneous in the doctrine or incongruous in the worship of that society to which he has joined himself, why should it not be as free for him to go out as it was to enter? No member of a religious society can be tied with any other bonds but what proceed from the certain expectation of eternal life. A church, then, is a society of members voluntarily uniting to that end......................................... .

But this being not a proper place to inquire into the marks of the true church, I will only mind those that contend so earnestly for the decrees of their own society, and that cry out continually, "The Church! the Church!" with as much noise, and perhaps upon the same principle, as the Ephesian silversmiths did for their Diana; this, I say, I desire to mind them of, that the Gospel frequently declares that the true disciples of Christ must suffer persecution; but that the Church of Christ should persecute others, and force others by fire and sword to embrace her faith and doctrine, I could never yet find in any of the books of the New Testament.

The end of a religious society (as has already been said) is the public worship of God and, by means thereof, the acquisition of eternal life. All discipline ought, therefore, to tend to that end, and all ecclesiastical laws to be thereunto confined. Nothing ought nor can be transacted in this society relating to the possession of civil and worldly goods. No force is here to be made use of upon any occasion whatsoever. For force belongs wholly to the civil magistrate, and the possession of all outward goods is subject to his jurisdiction.

It should be noted here, that the papacy is and has been recommending a global political and economic institution with real teeth to be able to enforce its plans concerning redistribution of wealth, political power, and natural resources. She is also right at the center of the whole Climate Change issue, using it as well to recommend political and economic control the world over, to slow down economies, business, supply and demand trends, industry, travel, and all fossil fuel based activities. Which is itself just another form of wealth, political power, and natural resources redistribution. She is also very vocal and supportive of all the mandates concerning masks, lockdowns, and now vaccines which the present plandemic has facilitated. Which plandemic itself has occasioned an effective implementation of the very controls of wealth, political power, and natural resource redistribution, which the papacy has been calling for.

These things are not just coincidences. Very many of the world leaders backing up and or calling for all of these measures are Catholics and or professed globalist elitists. In this country alone we can point to Catholic Biden our president who publicly declared his intentions to work closely with the Pope of Rome. Obama whose political career was fostered and mentored by Catholics and jesuits, who also had a close ally in the Pope of Rome. Nancy Pelosi the ninth Catholic speaker of the house in a row, who infamously declared that we needed to pass the Obama Care Bill, so that we could find out what is in it. A Bill which basically implemented the Catholic social justice teaching of universal health care. John Boehner who along with Pelosi invited the Pope of Rome to politically address the Congress of these United States, which he did, accomplishing a professed life long goal of John Boehner . AOC who introduced the New Green Deal Bill to Congress, which is nothing more than the political enactment of the Papal Encyclical Laudato Si’.  The many other Catholic politicians who compose up to a third of our Congress, not to mention the seven Catholics who occupy our nine member Supreme court, and on and on. 

All of this and much much more represent the control of  “civil power and worldly goods” mentioned in the article under examination concerning toleration. Which matured Protestant thought, teaches the true Church of Christ should have no part in.  This control however was employed by the papacy in the past to manipulate and or force compliance to the civil and spiritual authority which she claims for herself.  Which very abuses were addressed by the Reformers often.

Today the papacy is obviously very busy bringing about the political conditions which will allow for the dominance above all others she once exercised in the past. The Pope and his prelates travel throughout the world meeting the leaders of every nation, and the leaders of every nation and religion, huge corporations, unions, businessmen and women, social media, media and mainstream media moguls, famous entertainers, sports stars and teams, and on and on go to the Vatican to meet with the Pope as well. Very often behind closed doors. She has a permanent seat at the U.N. to influence all of these unelected globalist leaders, who themselves also meet with the Pope and prelates at the Vatican as well. Is not the papacy without question, the whore of the book of Revelation who sits upon many waters, which waters symbolize peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues (Rev 17:1&15)? Yes she is, and she is making the world drunk with her intoxicating wine, unto submission to herself once again. 
 
Every Seventh Day Adventist knows that she intends at some future date, to force the observance of her chosen day of worship above that of the scriptures, upon all. They also know that one of the first steps involved with that manipulation will be the ability to prevent any who will not submit to her authority on this issue from buying or selling and therefore participating in the basic rights of survival in any society. All of which she is presently actively pursuing and supporting in the present and no doubt future mandates being issued regarding her Climate Change agenda and the plandemic all have been dealing with. This being the case, it would be worse than irresponsible for SDA’s to ignore the papacies advances and plans concerning economic control on a global basis. It would be, and will be straight up dereliction of duty, not to sound the trumpet at such blatant manifestations of political maneuverings by the papacy to influence and guide global politics and economics to this very end.

If in fact the tendency of the church though, is to preach and teach that there is and will be less to say about the Church of Rome pertaining to the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, that dereliction should be expected. The effects upon those who would accept and believe such, obviously would and will be detrimental to one’s ability to give the trumpet that certain sound required by way of effective warning. It is the sound of approaching battle by the advancements of one’s enemy. In this case of course, a spiritual battle requiring the advancement of biblically sound principles regarding the governance of all to the effect of true freedom, not literal war. Let the enemy of all truth be the first to persecute and shed blood as his only means of establishing error and deception over and above it. Let God’s own stand form against all attacks by faith in the word of God above all other.


But, it may be asked, by what means then shall ecclesiastical laws be established, if they must be thus destitute of all compulsive power? I answer: They must be established by means suitable to the nature of such things, whereof the external profession and observation - if not proceeding from a thorough conviction and approbation of the mind - is altogether useless and unprofitable. The arms by which the members of this society are to be kept within their duty are exhortations, admonitions, and advices. If by these means the offenders will not be reclaimed, and the erroneous convinced, there remains nothing further to be done but that such stubborn and obstinate persons, who give no ground to hope for their reformation, should be cast out and separated from the society. This is the last and utmost force of ecclesiastical authority. No other punishment can thereby be inflicted than that, the relation ceasing between the body and the member which is cut off. The person so condemned ceases to be a part of that church.............

This is a crucial difference between Protestantism, and Roman Catholicism. The end of disagreement with dissenters of Protestant faith and practice, is separation from the society of that church alone. Thus in the establishment of the government of this country built upon Protestant principles, that is as far as it can go. Romanism on the other hand constantly seeks to establish complete separation and support from society altogether, for those who persist in disagreement with her. In other words, persecution. Her successes again thus far are why we are seeing more and more mandating, intolerance, censorship, and penalties being imposed, upon those declared insubordinate today. Those evil individualists who will not submit to the common good defined by Roman Catholicism, and imposed by all of her minions either willing to do her bidding, or naturally in agreement with the same.

These things being thus determined, let us inquire, in the next place: How far the duty of toleration extends, and what is required from everyone by it?

And, first, I hold that no church is bound, by the duty of toleration, to retain any such person in her bosom as, after admonition, continues obstinately to offend against the laws of the society. For, these being the condition of communion and the bond of the society, if the breach of them were permitted without any animadversion the society would immediately be thereby dissolved. But, nevertheless, in all such cases care is to be taken that the sentence of excommunication, and the execution thereof, carry with it no rough usage of word or action whereby the ejected person may any wise be damnified in body or estate. For all force (as has often been said) belongs only to the magistrate, nor ought any private persons at any time to use force, unless it be in self-defence against unjust violence. Excommunication neither does, nor can, deprive the excommunicated person of any of those civil goods that he formerly possessed. All those things belong to the civil government and are under the magistrate's protection. The whole force of excommunication consists only in this: that, the resolution of the society in that respect being declared, the union that was between the body and some member comes thereby to be dissolved; and, that relation ceasing, the participation of some certain things which the society communicated to its members, and unto which no man has any civil right, comes also to cease. For there is no civil injury done unto the excommunicated person by the church minister's refusing him that bread and wine, in the celebration of the Lord's Supper, which was not bought with his but other men's money.

Secondly, no private person has any right in any manner to prejudice another person in his civil enjoyments because he is of another church or religion. All the rights and franchises that belong to him as a man, or as a denizen, are inviolably to be preserved to him. These are not the business of religion. No violence nor injury is to be offered him, whether he be Christian or Pagan..............................

What I say concerning the mutual toleration of private persons differing from one another in religion, I understand also of particular churches which stand, as it were, in the same relation to each other as private persons among themselves: nor has any one of them any manner of jurisdiction over any other; no, not even when the civil magistrate (as it sometimes happens) comes to be of this or the other communion. For the civil government can give no new right to the church, nor the church to the civil government. So that, whether the magistrate join himself to any church, or separate from it, the church remains always as it was before - a free and voluntary society. It neither requires the power of the sword by the magistrate's coming to it, nor does it lose the right of instruction and excommunication by his going from it. This is the fundamental and immutable right of a spontaneous society - that it has power to remove any of its members who transgress the rules of its institution; but it cannot, by the accession of any new members, acquire any right of jurisdiction over those that are not joined with it. And therefore peace, equity, and friendship are always mutually to be observed by particular churches, in the same manner as by private persons, without any pretence of superiority or jurisdiction over one another.....................
 
Nevertheless, it is worthy to be observed and lamented that the most violent of these defenders of the truth, the opposers of errors, the exclaimers against schism do hardly ever let loose this their zeal for God, with which they are so warmed and inflamed, unless where they have the civil magistrate on their side. But so soon as ever court favour has given them the better end of the staff, and they begin to feel themselves the stronger, then presently peace and charity are to be laid aside. Otherwise they are religiously to be observed. Where they have not the power to carry on persecution and to become masters, there they desire to live upon fair terms and preach up toleration…………

Nobody, therefore, in fine, neither single persons nor churches, nay, nor even commonwealths, have any just title to invade the civil rights and worldly goods of each other upon pretence of religion. Those that are of another opinion would do well to consider with themselves how pernicious a seed of discord and war, how powerful a provocation to endless hatreds, rapines, and slaughters they thereby furnish unto mankind. No peace and security, no, not so much as common friendship, can ever be established or preserved amongst men so long as this opinion prevails, that dominion is founded in grace and that religion is to be propagated by force of arms.
 
In the third place, let us see what the duty of toleration requires from those who are distinguished from the rest of mankind (from the laity, as they please to call us) by some ecclesiastical character and office; whether they be bishops, priests, presbyters, ministers, or however else dignified or distinguished. It is not my business to inquire here into the original of the power or dignity of the clergy. This only I say, that, whencesoever their authority be sprung, since it is ecclesiastical, it ought to be confined within the bounds of the Church, nor can it in any manner be extended to civil affairs, because the Church itself is a thing absolutely separate and distinct from the commonwealth. The boundaries on both sides are fixed and immovable. He jumbles heaven and earth together, the things most remote and opposite, who mixes these two societies, which are in their original, end, business, and in everything perfectly distinct and infinitely different from each other. No man, therefore, with whatsoever ecclesiastical office he be dignified, can deprive another man that is not of his church and faith either of liberty or of any part of his worldly goods upon the account of that difference between them in religion. For whatsoever is not lawful to the whole Church cannot by any ecclesiastical right become lawful to any of its members.

But this is not all. It is not enough that ecclesiastical men abstain from violence and rapine and all manner of persecution. He that pretends to be a successor of the apostles, and takes upon him the office of teaching, is obliged also to admonish his hearers of the duties of peace and goodwill towards all men, as well towards the erroneous as the orthodox; towards those that differ from them in faith and worship as well as towards those that agree with them therein. And he ought industriously to exhort all men, whether private persons or magistrates (if any such there be in his church), to charity, meekness, and toleration, and diligently endeavour to ally and temper all that heat and unreasonable averseness of mind which either any man's fiery zeal for his own sect or the craft of others has kindled against dissenters. I will not undertake to represent how happy and how great would be the fruit, both in Church and State, if the pulpits everywhere sounded with this doctrine of peace and toleration, lest I should seem to reflect too severely upon those men whose dignity I desire not to detract from, nor would have it diminished either by others or themselves. But this I say, that thus it ought to be.And if anyone that professes himself to be a minister of the Word of God, a preacher of the gospel of peace, teach otherwise, he either understands not or neglects the business of his calling and shall one day give account thereof unto the Prince of Peace....................................... .................

It has been the policy and practice of Roman Catholicism to violate all that the above article under examination declares concerning the separation of church and state throughout its entire history. Her present illicit relations with the leaders and powers that be of this world, as we have been examining, are establishing that very end once again on a global scale. It is the duty of every real member of Christ’s true church to point out this major discrepancy between the political effects of authentic Christianity, and Roman Catholicism.  The writer again encourages all to read the articles we are examining in their full context. Though there is far more of this article, again we must move on due to restraints concerning time and space.
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Chapter 17

A discourse concerning the unlimited submission and non-resistance to the high powers, 1750, Jonathan Mayhew


Harvard graduate and Congregationalist minister, Jonathan Mayhew (1720-1766) served the West Church in Boston from his ordination in 1747 until his death. The Discourse was first published in Boston in 1750.

..............Here the apostle argues, that those who resist a reasonable and just authority, which is agreeable to the will of God, do really resist the will of God himself; and will, therefore, be punished by him. But how does this prove, that those who resist a lawless, unreasonable power, which is contrary to the will of God, do therein resist the will and ordinance of God? Is resisting those who resist God's will, the same thing with resisting God? Or shall those who do so, receive to themselves damnation! For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good; and thou shalt have praise of the same. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. Here the apostle argues more explicitly than he had before done, for revering, and submitting to, magistracy, from this consideration, that such as really performed the duty of magistrates, would be enemies only to the evil actions of men, and would befriend and encourage the good: and so be a common blessing to society. But how is this an argument, that we must honor, and submit to, such magistrates as are not enemies to the evil actions of men; but to the good: and such as are not a common blessing, but a common curse, to society! But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid: For he is the minister of God, a revenger, to execute wrath upon him that doth evil. Here the apostle argues from the nature and end of magistracy, that such as did evil, (and such only) had reason to be afraid of the higher powers; it being part of their office to punish evildoers, no less than to defend and encourage such as do well. But if magistrates are unrighteous; if they are respecters of persons; if they are partial in their administration of justice; then those who do well have as much reason to be afraid, as those that do evil: there can be no safety for the good, nor any peculiar ground of terror to the unruly and injurious. So that, in this case, the main end of civil government will be frustrated. And what reason is there for submitting to that government, which does by no means answer the design of government? ………

Here the apostle argues the duty of paying taxes, from this consideration, that those who perform the duty of rulers, are continually attending upon the public welfare. But how does this argument conclude for paying taxes to such princes as are continually endeavoring to ruin the public? And especially when such payment would facilitate and promote this wicked design! Render therefore to all their dues; tribute, to whom tribute is due; custom, to whom custom; fear, to whom fear; honor, to whom honor. Here the apostle sums up what he had been saying concerning the duty of subjects to rulers. And his argument stands thus--“Since magistrates who execute their office well, are common benefactors to society; and may, in that respect, be properly stiled the ministers and ordinance of God; and since they are constantly employed in the service of the public; it becomes you to pay them tribute and custom; and to reverence, honor, and submit to, them in the execution of their respective offices.” This is apparently good reasoning. But does this argument conclude for the duty of paying tribute, custom, reverence, honor and obedience, to such persons as (although they bear the title of rulers) use all their power to hurt and injure the public? such as are not God's ministers, but satan's? such as do not take care of, and attend upon, the public interest, but their own, to the ruin of the public? that is, in short, to such as have no natural and just claim at all to tribute, custom, reverence, honor and obedience? It is to be hoped that those who have any regard to the apostle's character as an inspired writer, or even as a man of common understanding, will not represent him as reasoning in such a loose incoherent manner; and drawing conclusions which have not the least relation to his premises. For what can be more absurd than an argument thus framed? .................................

Thus, upon a careful review of the apostle's reasoning in this passage, it appears that his arguments to enforce submission, are of such a nature, as to conclude only in favor of submission to such rulers as he himself describes; i.e., such as rule for the good of society, which is the only end of their institution. Common tyrants, and public oppressors, are not intitled to obedience from their subjects, by virtue of any thing here laid down by the inspired apostle…………………

Are we not all faced with this exact scenario described above today? Are not our elected officials who are supposed to be representing the people, ignoring and or abusing countless millions who disagree with their policies and favoritism? Are they not spending millions, billions, no even trillions more dollars every term they serve, than we tax payers can can fund, plunging us deeper and deeper into irretrievable debt and certain eventual ruin? Are they not all becoming far wealthier themselves while they are busy redistributing the wealth of our nation all over the world? Do they not open our borders and welcome legal and illegal migrants into our nation by the millions continuously also at a cost we simply cannot sustain? Do they not intend that these migrants help them stay in office, being themselves very dependent upon them? Do our Presidents who are also supposed to be elected “representatives” of the people, bound by our Constitution along with all the other supposed “representatives”, not spew forth an ever increasing number of executive orders bypassing all of the same? Are they not now spewing forth more “mandates” to be enforced upon all the people they are supposed to be representing, whether we agree with the validity of these “mandates” as part of a representative and supposedly freedom supporting government or not? Do they not now routinely commit crimes without any consequences, that the rest of us would be imprisoned for? Do they not continuously make countless new rules, regulations, laws, and taxes to subject us all unto? Do they not now call what holy scripture declares to be evil good, and good evil? Do they not now also defend that which holy scripture declares evil, and ridicule or even prosecute, which is to say persecute those who would promote good calling out these evils? I could go on and on, as I am sure most could.

Needless to say, the high morals, principles, ideals, and aspirations this nation was built upon, are near extinction. There is no separating this phenomenon from the ever vanishing presence and influence of the holy scriptures from our societies. This nation was formed by predominantly Bible believing Christians, Protestants to be more exact. The holy scriptures had been put back into the hands of the people in their own languages for at least two centuries before our nations founding, and its high moral standards and influence had been effecting religious and political change the world over. Many arriving on our shores were themselves seeking religious freedom regarding the biblical doctrines they were convicted to practice and preach. Their desire for freedom to do so, effected also their willingness to support emerging government which supported the same for all. Which they, as confessors of biblical faith, could not but admit that God Himself allows for all of humanity.

As authentic biblical Christianity has been in moral dilemma and decline now for some time in virtually all professing denominations, so has this nation built upon those very biblical morals and principles. True freedom requires self disciplined moral agents to effect the same, which the scriptures themsleves call for and inspire. As these traits disappear from peoples and societies, such must be forced upon them if any order of society is to be maintained. Eventually producing the two class system or society which many throughout history have preferred, and are more easily effecting today exactly because of this moral decline. The controlled, and those who control them. The clergy, and the laity. The elites, and the common folk. The political class, and their subordinates. The nobility, and the peasants. As this book maintains, the papacy itself has always and still does strive to establish this order of society once again.

This document we are examining and are about to continue examining, was written with the papacy among others, specifically in mind.


Thus it appears, that the common argument, grounded upon this passage, in favor of universal, and passive obedience, really overthrows itself, by proving too much, if it proves any thing at all; namely, that no civil officer is, in any case whatever, to be resisted, though acting in express contradiction to the design of his office; which no man, in his senses, ever did, or can assert.

If we calmly consider the nature of the thing itself, nothing can well be imagined more directly contrary to common sense, than to suppose that millions of people should be subjected to the arbitrary, precarious pleasure of one single man; (who has naturally no superiority over them in point of authority) so that their estates, and every thing that is valuable in life, and even their lives also, shall be absolutely at his disposal, if he happens to be wanton and capricious enough to demand them. What unprejudiced man can think, that God made ALL to be thus subservient to the lawless pleasure and frenzy of ONE, so that it shall always be a sin to resist him! Nothing but the most plain and express revelation from heaven could make a sober impartial man believe such a monstrous, unaccountable doctrine, and, indeed, the thing itself, appears so shocking--so out of all proportion, that it may be questioned, whether all the miracles that ever were wrought, could make it credible, that this doctrine really came from God. At present, there is not the least syllable in Scripture which gives any countenance to it. The hereditary, indefeasible, divine right of kings, and the doctrine of nonresistance which is built upon the supposition of such a right, are altogether as fabulous and chimerical, as transubstantiation; or any of the most absurd reveries of ancient or modern visionaries. These notions are fetched neither from divine revelation, nor human reason; and if they are derived from neither of those sources, it is not much matter from whence they come, or whither they go. Only it is a pity that such doctrines should be propagated in society, to raise factions and rebellions, as we see they have, in fact, been both in the last, and in the present, REIGN.

May not the same argument be asserted against those who seek global economic and political control because the climate changes, as it always has? Should it be any surprise that the papacy which once demanded that all accept that their priests do literally change wine and crackers into the literal body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and partake of the same or die, would be a huge supporter of Climate Change initiated controls and mandates? That they would support and admonish all to submit to tyrannical mask and vaccine mandates? That they would support one lefty progressive assertion after another which defy the moral teachings of the holy scriptures, even to the point of supporting political enforcement of accepting LBGTQIAxyz and whatever else gets added to this list?  That they would support politicians which profess their faith everywhere, even when they defiantly disregard their own teachings as long as they are supporting other aspects of the same, such as social justice issues? Of course it can, and would be today if those presenting the articles we have been examining were still alive. But they are not, and the standard from which they derived their high morals and principles, is under ever increasing attack. Therefore will this present nation and world continue to reap what it has been increasingly sowing. Back to the article.

But then, if unlimited submission and passive obedience to the higher powers, in all possible cases, be not a duty, it will be asked, “HOW far are we obliged to submit? If we may innocently disobey and resist in some crises, why not in all? Where shall we stop? What is the measure of our duty? This doctrine tends to the total dissolution of civil government; and to introduce such scenes of wild anarchy and confusion, as are more fatal to society than the worst of tyranny.”

After this manner, some men object; and, indeed, this is the most plausible thing that can be said in favor of such an absolute submission as they plead for. But the worst (or rather the best) of it, is, that there is very little strength or solidity in it. For similar difficulties may be raised with respect to almost every duty of natural and revealed religion.--To instance only in two, both of which are near akin, and indeed exactly parallel, to the case before us. It is unquestionably the duty of children to submit to their parents; and of servants, to their masters. But no one asserts, that it is their duty to obey, and submit to them, in all supposable cases; or universally a sin to resist them. Now does this tend to subvert the just authority of parents and masters? Or to introduce confusion and anarchy into private families? No. How then does the same principle tend to unhinge the government of that larger family, the body politic? We know, in general, that children and servants are obliged to obey their parents and masters respectively. We know also, with equal certainty, that they are not obliged to submit to them in all things, without exception; but may, in some cases, reasonably, and therefore innocently, resist them. These principles are acknowledged upon all hands, whatever difficulty there may be in fixing the exact limits of submission. Now there is at least as much difficulty in stating the measure of duty in these two cases, as in the case of rulers and subjects. So that this is really no objection, at least no reasonable one, against resistance to the higher powers: .....................

We may very safely assert these two things in general, without undermining government: One is, That no civil rulers are to be obeyed when they enjoin things that are inconsistent with the commands of God: All such disobedience is lawful and glorious; particularly, if persons refuse to comply with any legal establishment of religion, because it is a gross perversion and corruption (as to doctrine, worship and discipline) of a pure and divine religion, brought from heaven to earth by the Son of God, (the only King and Head of the Christian church) and propagated through the world by his inspired apostles. All commands running counter to the declared will of the supreme legislator of heaven and earth, are null and void: And therefore disobedience to them is a duty, not a crime. ……………………………

This subject should hit home with every bible believing parent today, dealing with the education their children are now receiving in our public schools. Teaching our children that what the scriptures identify as evil is good, and what it identifies as good is evil. Teaching Critical Race Theory, which is nothing but pure racism. Teaching butchered or revisionist history in order to paint false pictures of the history of this nation and its founding. Now our government even intends to send federal police after parents who would defy or protest against all such. And where does the papacy and our Catholic politicians who have all been commanded by it to carry out its will in our legislative halls, stand on these issues? Has not the present Pope called for the reeducation of the entire world? What kind of reeducation is he talking about?

What about the part played in our history concerning education by the Catholic church when it called for in the removal of bibles from our schools, and true history which it found offensive concerning itself? Both of which happened. What effect have these things had upon our nation over the years? There is much to be said concerning this topic, but not time or space to address it within this book. Let us continue with the article under examination.


But it is equally evident, upon the other hand, that those in authority may abuse their trust and power to such a degree, that neither the law of reason, nor of religion, requires, that any obedience or submission should be paid to them: but, on the contrary, that they should be totally discarded; and the authority which they were before vested with, transferred to others, who may exercise it more to those good purposes for which it is given.............................

Till people find themselves greatly abused and oppressed by their governors, they are not apt to complain; and whenever they do, in fact, find themselves thus abused and oppressed, they must be stupid not to complain. To say that subjects in general are not proper judges when their governors oppress them, and play the tyrant; and when they defend their rights, administer justice impartially, and promote the public welfare, is as great treason as ever man uttered;--'tis treason,--not against one single man, but the state--against the whole body politic;--'tis treason against mankind;--'tis treason against common sense;--'tis treason against God. And this impious principle lays the foundation for justifying all the tyranny and oppression that ever any prince was guilty of.......................

A people, really oppressed to a great degree by their sovereign, cannot well be insensible when they are so oppressed. And such a people (if I may allude to an ancient fable) have, like the hesperian fruit, a DRAGON for their protector and guardian: Nor would they have any reason to mourn, if some HERCULES should appear to dispatch him--For a nation thus abused to arise unanimously, and to resist their prince, even to the dethroning him, is not criminal; but a reasonable way of indicating their liberties and just rights; it is making use of the means, and the only means, which God has put into their power, for mutual and self-defense. And it would be highly criminal in them, not to make use of this means. It would be stupid tameness, and unaccountable folly, for whole nations to suffer one unreasonable, ambitious and cruel man, to wanton and riot in their misery. And in such a case it would, of the two, be more rational to suppose, that they that did NOT resist, than that they who did, would receive to themselves damnation. ......

For what reason, then, was the resistance to king Charles, made? The general answer to this inquiry is, that it was on account of the tyranny and oppression of his reign. Not a great while after his accession to the throne, he married a French Catholic; and with her seemed to have wedded the politics, if not the religion of France, also. For afterwards, during a reign, or rather a tyranny of many years, he governed in a perfectly wild and arbitrary manner, paying no regard to the constitution and the laws of the kingdom, by which the power of the crown was limited; or to the solemn oath which he had taken at his coronation. It would be endless, as well as needless, to give a particular account of all the illegal and despotic measures which he took in his administration;--partly from his own natural lust of power, and partly from the influence of wicked councellors and ministers.--He committed many illustrious members of both houses of parliament to the tower, for opposing his arbitrary schemes.--He levied many taxes upon the people without consent of parliament;--and then imprisoned great numbers of the principal merchants and gentry for not paying them.--He erected, or at least revived, several new and arbitrary courts, in which the most unheard-of barbarities were committed with his knowledge and approbation.--He supported that more than fiend, arch-bishop Laud and the clergy of his stamp, in all their church-tyranny and hellish cruelties…………………………

Does the above not ring a bell concerning our political class as it were completely ignoring the Constitution of these United States of America and the liberties and freedoms it defends? Yes it certainly does. And can we not say that this is also due to an ever increasing Roman Catholic influence within our midst paying heed to the papacy itself, just as in the above historical account? Yes we can, and should. This institution which has supported one despotic tyrannical politician and or government throughout its entire history, can most certainly be identified with the despotic and tyrannical direction our own government has been heading in under their ever growing influence for many years now. Back to the article.

He refused to call any parliament at all for the space of twelve years together, during all which time, he governed in an absolute lawless and despotic manner.--He took all opportunities to encourage the papists, and to promote them to the highest offices of honor and trust.--He (probably) abetted the horrid massacre in Ireland, in which two hundred thousand Protestants were butchered by the Roman Catholics.--He sent a large sum of money, which he has raised by his arbitrary taxes, into Germany, to raise foreign troops, in order to force more arbitrary taxes upon his subjects.--He not only by a long series of actions, but also in plain terms, asserted an absolute uncontrollable power; saying even in one of his speeches to parliament, that as it was blasphemy to dispute what God might do; so it was sedition in subjects to dispute what the king might do.--Towards the end of his tyranny, he came to the house of commons with an armed force,* and demanded five of its principal members to be delivered up to him--And this was a prelude to that unnatural war which he soon after levied against his own dutiful subjects; whom he was bound by all the laws of honor, humanity, piety, and I might add, of interest also, to defend and cherish with a paternal affection……………………………

And again, can we not also testify that the number of Catholic politicians within the highest offices of this nation has been ever on the increase for many decades now, while our nation is plummeting into irretrievable debt and moral decline? Yes we can, it is an indisputable fact. The moral, monetary, and influential decline of our nation has in fact been concurrent to the rise of ever increasing leadership from Catholic politicians the country over, who are themselves more influenced by the papacy than others. Connect the dotted lines if you will, refuse their significance if you will. It will not change the facts of the matter.   

The last query mentioned, was, Why those of the Episcopal clergy who are very high in the principles of ecclesiastical authority, continue to speak of this unhappy prince as a great Saint and a Martyr? This, we know, is what they constantly do, especially upon the 30th of January;--a day sacred to the extolling of him, and to the reproaching of those who are not of the established church. Out of the same mouth on this day, proceedeth blessing and cursing; there with bless they their God, even Charles, and therewith curse they the dissenters: And their tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. King Charles is, upon this solemnity, frequently compared to our Lord Jesus Christ, both in respect of the holiness of his life, and the greatness and injustice of his sufferings; and it is a wonder they do not add something concerning the merits of his death also--But blessed Saint and royal martyr, are as humble titles as any that are thought worthy of him..................................

Is there any such thing as grace, without goodness! As being a follower of Christ, without following him? As being his disciple, without learning of him to be just and beneficent? Or, as saintship without sanctity? If not, I fear it will be hard to prove this man a saint. And verily one would be apt to suspect that that church must be but poorly stocked with saints and martyrs, which is forced to adopt such enormous sinners into her calendar, in order to swell the number.

But to unravel this mystery of (nonsense as well as of) iniquity, which has already worked for a long time amongst us; or, at least, to give the most probable solution of it; it is to be remembered, that king Charles, this burlesque upon saintship and martyrdom, though so great an oppressor, was a true friend to the Church; so true a friend to her, that he was very well affected towards the Roman Catholics; and would, probably, have been very willing to unite Lambeth and Rome. This appears by his marrying a true daughter of that true mother of harlots; which he did with a dispensation from the Pope, that supreme BISHOP; to whom when he wrote he gave the title of MOST HOLY FATHER. His queen was extremely bigoted to all the follies and superstitions, and to the hierarchy, of Rome; and had a prodigious ascendancy over him all his life. It was, in part, owing to this, that he (probably) abetted the massacre of the protestants in Ireland; that he assisted in extirpating the French protestants at Rochelle; that he all along encouraged papist, and popishly effected clergymen, in preference to all other persons, and that he upheld that monster of wickedness, ARCH-BISHOP LAUD, and the bishops of his stamp; in all their church-tyranny and diabolical cruelties. In return to his kindness and indulgence in which respects, they caused many of the pulpits throughout the nation, to ring with the divine absolute, indefeasible right of kings; with the praises of Charles and his reign; and with the damnable sin of resisting the Lord's anointed, let him do what he would. So that not Christ, but Charles, was commonly preached to the people.--In plain English, there seems to have been an impious bargain struck up betwixt the scepter and the surplice, for enslaving both the bodies and souls of men. The king appeared to be willing that the clergy should do what they would,--set up a monstrous hierarchy like that of Rome--a monstrous inquisition like that of Spain or Portugal,--or any thing else which their own pride, and the devil's malice, could prompt them to: Provided always, that the clergy would be tools to the crown; that they would make the people believe, that kings had God's authority for breaking God's law; that they had a commission from heaven to seize the estates and lives of their subjects at pleasure; and that it was a damnable sin to resist them, even when they did such things as deserved more than damnation.--This appears to be the true key for explaining the mysterious doctrine of king Charles's saintship and martyrdom. He was a saint, not because he was in his life, a good man, but a good churchman; not because he was a lover of holiness, but the hierarchy; not because he was a friend to Christ, but the Craft. And he was a martyr in his death, not because he bravely suffered death in the cause of truth and righteousness, but because he died an enemy to liberty and the rights of conscience; i.e. not because he died an enemy to sin, but dissenters. For these reasons it is that all bigoted clergymen, and friends to church-power, paint this man as a saint in his life, though he was such a mighty, such a royal sinner; and as a martyr in his death, though he fell a sacrifice only to his own ambition, avarice, and unbounded lust of power. And from prostituting their praise upon king Charles, and offering him that incense which is not his due, it is natural for them to make a transition to the dissenters, (as they commonly do) and to load them with that reproach which they do not deserve; they being generally professed enemies both to civil and ecclesiastical tyranny. WE are commonly charged (upon the Thirtieth of January) with the guilt of putting the king to death, under a notion that it was our ancestors that did it; and so we are represented in the blackest colors, not only as scismaticks, but also as traitors and rebels and all that is bad. And these lofty gentlemen usually rail upon this head, in such a manner as plainly shows, that they are either grossly ignorant of the history of those times which they speak of; or, which is worse, that they are guilty of the most shameful prevarication, slander and falsehood.--But every petty priest, with a roll and a gown, thinks he must do something in imitation of his betters, in lawn, and show himself a true son of the church: And thus, through a foolish ambition to appear considerable, they only render themselves contemptible. .....................................

To conclude: Let us all learn to be free, and to be loyal. Let us not profess ourselves vassals to the lawless pleasure of any man on earth. But let us remember, at the same time, government is sacred, and not to be trifled with. It is our happiness to live under the government of a PRINCE who is satisfied with ruling according to law; as every other good prince will--We enjoy under his administration all the liberty that is proper and expedient for us. It becomes us, therefore, to be contented, and dutiful subjects. Let us prize our freedom; but not use our liberty for a cloak of maliciousness. There are men who strike at liberty under the term licentiousness. There are others who aim at popularity under the disguise of patriotism. Be aware of both. Extremes are dangerous. There is at present amongst us, perhaps, more danger of the latter, than of the former. For which reason I would exhort you to pay all due Regard to the government over us; to the KING and all in authority; and to lead a quiet and peaceable life.--And while I am speaking of loyalty to our earthly Prince, suffer me just to put you in mind to be loyal also to the supreme RULER of the universe, by whom kings reign, and princes decree justice. To which king eternal immortal, invisible, even to the ONLY WISE GOD, be all honor and praise, DOMINION and thanksgiving, through JESUS CHRIST our LORD. AMEN.

Again, can one not easily see the many similarities concerning the above testimony and the prevailing mainstream media and politics today? Do they not attack and ridicule the dissenters today, and excuse and uplift their own as described above? Yes they do, and they are also in bed with that same ancient Mother of harlots addressed above as well.

It is not hard to surmise from the above and other articles we have been examining, the effect upon the predominantly Protestant settlers of this nation concerning their rejection of abusive religion and or government. What it was, and why it was, that they had the courage to take matters into their own hands and deliver themselves from all such tyranny. Then once having done so, forming a government for the people, and by the people, with many safeguards concerning civil and religious liberties. Let’s take a look at some professions of faith representing various Protestant faiths and peoples in the next chapter.
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