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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #35 on: Sun Aug 10, 2014 - 11:16:07 »
Amo - you missed something important in your chapter 8: that is verse 17.  It is NOT a sign between God and the sinner - it is a sign between God and the children of Israel. That does NOT include gentile christians.
You have to ask yourself. Was Christ the Creator, is He our Lord and Saviour who made the Sabbath, and has He existed from Eternity and was with Abraham before there was any Jew and saw his day?

OF course.  But remember God was also long before any of the tribes of Israel came out of Egypt but He gave the priesthood ONLY to Levi.

There is a priesthood that exists ONLY for physical Israel as well. And that continues in the New Covenant era.

There is no authentic priesthood apart from Jesus Christ. None who reject his High Priestly intercession, have anything to do with God's appointed everlasting High Priest and His intercession. All Jewish attempts to establish a Priesthood again while rejecting Jesus Christ will and only can be antichrist. It simply is not possible for those who reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah, to have any kind of authentic priesthood. The new covenant has arrived, the old covenant will not be established again but by those who practice deception. Thus the Church of Rome practices deception by setting up once again an earthly priesthood with sinful human beings standing between Christ and humanity.


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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #36 on: Sat Aug 16, 2014 - 02:02:44 »
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Sunday sacredness was being established among “Christians” somewhere around the end of the second century, or 200 A. D. 

Correct --- from 'sources' other than the New Testament.

But Sunday sacredness and worship tried to make its <inroads into Christianity> in Paul's day already.

Because Paul warns the Galatian converts against “returning back again” to their “weak and beggarly erstwhile objects of superstitious veneration”— the "no-gods" of their former Gentile heathen life, by the “probing observation” of Greek mythology’s four “first-principles gods” of time and space—, the four ‘GATES OF HEAVEN’, “days, months, season, years"— OF WHICH THE HERMAPHRODITE, ‘THE DAY OF THE SUN’, WAS THE ‘FIRST’ AND ‘CHIEF’— IN FACT, WAS ‘THE LORD’S DAY’, AND, ‘THE QUEEN OF DAYS’.

Already in the Gospel age for sooth!
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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #37 on: Sat Aug 16, 2014 - 07:29:16 »
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Sunday sacredness was being established among “Christians” somewhere around the end of the second century, or 200 A. D. 

Correct --- from 'sources' other than the New Testament.

But Sunday sacredness and worship tried to make its <inroads into Christianity> in Paul's day already.

Because Paul warns the Galatian converts against “returning back again” to their “weak and beggarly erstwhile objects of superstitious veneration”— the "no-gods" of their former Gentile heathen life, by the “probing observation” of Greek mythology’s four “first-principles gods” of time and space—, the four ‘GATES OF HEAVEN’, “days, months, season, years"— OF WHICH THE HERMAPHRODITE, ‘THE DAY OF THE SUN’, WAS THE ‘FIRST’ AND ‘CHIEF’— IN FACT, WAS ‘THE LORD’S DAY’, AND, ‘THE QUEEN OF DAYS’.

Already in the Gospel age for sooth!

Deception is most successful upon the masses when introduced gradually. No one likes to much change, to fast.

2 Th 2:6  And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #38 on: Sat Aug 16, 2014 - 08:26:31 »
16-Rev. 12 THE WOMAN AND THE DRAGON


We will now begin an examination of the book of Revelation chapter twelve, through to the end of the book.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Uriah Smith says the following about the woman of Rev. 12.

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A woman,” the true church. A corrupt woman is used to represent an apostate or corrupt church. Eze. 23:2-4; Revelation 17:3-6,15,18. By parity of reasoning, a pure woman, as in this instance, would represent the true church.  “The sun,” the light and glory of the gospel dispensation. “The moon,” the Mosaic dispensation. As the moon shines with a borrowed light derived from the sun, so the former dispensation shone with a light borrowed from the present. There they had the type and shadow; here we have the antitype and substance. “A crown of twelve stars,” the twelve apostles.

No symbols more fitting and impressive could be found than are here employed. The Mosaic dispensation shone with a light borrowed from the Christian dispensation, just as the moon shines with light borrowed from the sun. How appropriate, therefore, to represent the former by the moon, and the latter by the sun. The woman, the church, had the moon under her feet; that is, the mosaic dispensation had just ended, and the woman was clothed with the light of the gospel sun, which had just risen. By anticipation the church is represented as fully organized, with its twelve apostles, before the man-child, Christ, appeared upon the scene. This is easily accounted for by the fact that it was to be thus constituted immediately after Christ should commence his ministry; and he is more especially connected with this church than with that of the former dispensation. ( Daniel and the Revelation by Uriah Smith, Chap.12 pages 440 &441)

The child of verse two is of course Christ, the promised seed of Abraham. Apart from Him, there would be no old or new covenants. He is the center and purpose of both. The promise of His first coming was the hope of the old covenant, and the establishment of the new. The promise of His second coming being the consummation of both.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

We know from verse nine of this same chapter, that the dragon is Satan himself. The book of Revelation is filled with the number seven, which represents completeness. Apart from the seven heads of the dragon, there are the seven heads of the beast, the seven churches, the seven spirits of God, the seven golden candlesticks, the seven stars, the seven seals, seven angels, seven trumpets, seven thunders, seven plagues, and seven golden vials. The seven heads of the dragon, no doubt represent the completeness of the dragons rebellion against God, in seven divisions if you will. 

The head of the great image of Daniel chapter two represented the kingdom of Babylon (Dan. 2:37&38). The four heads of the leopard of Daniel chapter seven represented the four divisions of the empire of Alexander the great among his four generals. It is the writer’s conviction, that the seven heads of the dragon are the seven major kingdoms of this world through which, the devil has carried out his rebellion against God. The crowns upon the heads representing each king, or kingdom if you will. This is not to say that there have been no other kingdoms, or even other major kingdoms. These seven kingdoms however, have existed in relation to God’s kingdom, through His people here on earth. Thus the struggle between the two, depicted in the prophecies of scripture. In Rev. Chapter seventeen, the seven heads are said to be seven mountains upon which the woman sits. We will discuss this in greater detail when we examine that chapter.

This dragon has ten horns like the fourth beast of Daniel chapter seven. That the fourth beast of Dan. 7 represents the Roman Empire, has been acknowledged even before the time of Christ’s first coming. Likewise, the fourth metal of the great image of Daniel 2 including the ten toes, represents the Roman Empire. The ten toes and horns represent the ten divisions of the Roman Empire brought about by the barbarian invasions during the transition from pagan to papal Rome. That is to say, the desolation of the Western Roman Empire because of the setting up of the abomination of desolation within the same. These things we have just discussed in previous chapters. The ten divisions are as follows, taken from, (THE GREAT EMPIRES OF PROPHECY, by Alonzo Jones, p. 632).

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“For convenience, there is set down here in order, the names of the ten kingdoms which the undisputed history gives, with the dates at which they respectively or successively entered the Western Empire never to leave it (except the three that were plucked up by the roots), with the places and dates of their settlement: —

Alemanni, about A.D. 300, in Agri Decumates from the river Main to Basel and the Lake of Constance; A.D. 351, take Alsace Lorraine in addition; A.D. 455, extend to the Seine. 632

Franks, A.D. 351, northeast Gaul; early in the fifth century spread to the Somme; middle of the fifth century, A.D. 455, to the Seine; and gradually progress till in the sixth century they take all Gaul north and west of the Moselle and the mountains of the Vosges and the Cevennes.

Burgundians, Dec. 31, A.D. 406; in Burgundy, A.D. 420; spread over West Switzerland and the whole valley of the Rhone, A.D. 443-476.

Suevi, Oct. 13, A.D. 409 in Spain; A.D. 428 in Galicia in Spain; A.D. 466 held the kingdom of Galicia, and shortly afterward spread to what is now Portugal.

Vandals, Dec. 31. 406; in Spain, A.D. 409; in Africa, May, A.D. 429.

Visigoths, A.D. 408, Italy; in southwest Gaul (Aquitaine), A.D. 419; spread into Spain, A.D. 466.

Saxons, A.D. 449, Britain.

Ostrogoths, A.D. 451, under Attila; A.D. 453, in Pannonia; A.D. 489, in Italy.

Lombards, A.D. 451, under Attila; A.D. 453, in Noricum.

Heruli, A.D. 451, under Attila; A.D. 475, in Italy.”

Although the ten horns are said to be on the dragon, the setting of the prophecy is during the time of the Roman Empire. This is made obvious from verses four and five, seeing that the child which was about to be born was Christ himself. The dragon himself is the leader of all the seven kingdoms in rebellion against God throughout the duration of this world. It was through the Roman empire that the dragon, or Satan, tried to have Christ killed at his birth (Matt. 2:13-19).

The dragon is said to have drawn a third part of the stars of heaven with him to the earth.  These would no doubt be the angels of verses seven through nine of this same chapter.  These verses I believe to be a more detailed explanation of this statement from verse four.

Verse six speaks of the woman, or church, fleeing into the wilderness where she would be fed of God. Without question, the woman is the church, for she is fed of God. She is fleeing the persecution of the dragon for an allotted period of 1260 days, or in prophetic time years.  The persecuting power that the devil uses at this time, is the papacy. We will discuss this time period later. It is covered several times in the book of Revelation.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

As previously stated, the writer believes the above verses to be further explanation of verse four of this same chapter. The context of the entire chapter being the war between Christ and Satan on this earth, which is the battlefield. Thus the struggle between the kingdom of God through His people on earth, and the people of the kingdoms of this world led by the prince of this world. The devil is said to deceive the whole world. The Devil is continuing the rebellion which he began in heaven, here on earth through all those whom he can deceive.

This battle is between the truth, and a lie. Between Jesus Christ, who is “the way, the truth, and the life” (Joh. 14:6), and Satan who is the father of lies (Joh. 8:44). All will make their choice regarding allegiance to one or the other with eternal consequences. The furtherance of this goal, being the purpose of this book.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Again in verse ten, we are brought to the time of the Roman Empire. It was the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ our Lord which sealed the fate of the accuser of the brethren, Satan.  Satan was effectively cast down from heaven by the part he played in the crucifixion of Christ.  His true nature was revealed to all creation. The population of the planet which he had hoped would be his ally in rebellion against God, had been given a means of escape from his rule.  As verse twelve points out, Satan had been effectively cast down to the earth. Only on earth could Satan find any who could still be deceived by his sophistry.

Verse eleven points out the victory of the saints, which is only by the blood of the Lamb. Their testimony concerning the same against those who would kill them for doing so, proved their faithfulness to the Lamb of God. It sealed their fate to that of the Lambs, which is eternal life with the everlasting love and approbation of God the Father.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

In verse thirteen we are again brought to the time of the man child, which is Christ. All through chapter twelve we are brought to this time. Therefore, we must conclude that this chapter of Revelation proceeds from the time of Christ during the Roman Empire and forward. The dragon, knowing that his time is short after being defeated by Christ, persecutes the woman.  He does so through the political power of the pagan Roman Empire, the fourth head of the dragon. The dragon always uses the political powers of the day to persecute the woman, or church if you will. The ultimate goal of the gospel is to be preached in all the world, that all may decide regarding their status as either citizens of this world, or the next one. Correspondingly then, the dragons ultimate goal is to develop a global political power to combat the same. This will be the seventh and final head of the dragon of the book of Revelation.

In verse fourteen we are brought again to the time of the flight of the woman (Church), into the wilderness to be nourished by God. She is to be there for a time, times, and half a time. This time period is the same as the 1260 days mentioned in verse six. This is made obvious by the context of verse six, and the verses which we are now examining. They are both treating the same subject matter. Namely, the persecution of the church by the dragon, her fleeing to the wilderness, and the amount of time she spends there. Again, we will examine this time period in greater detail later.

In verse fifteen we are given some of the details of how the serpent went after the woman and persecuted her. He sent out water as a flood after her. We know from Rev. 17:15, that waters stand for peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. So the dragon used and uses the masses of the deceived nations and tongues, to pursue and persecute God’s people in the earth.

Verse sixteen reveals that God’s people found refuge by hiding out in the wilderness of the earth, which opened its mouth to swallow up the flood. The annals of history can testify to this.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #39 on: Tue Aug 19, 2014 - 21:23:39 »
Amo - you missed something important in your chapter 8: that is verse 17.  It is NOT a sign between God and the sinner - it is a sign between God and the children of Israel. That does NOT include gentile christians.

Every child of Israel is and has always been a sinner just like the rest of us. The Sabbath was intended for all humanity, thus it was instituted at creation 2000 years before there ever was a Jew. When the Jews made a covenant with God to be His people of course they were instructed to keep His Sabbath, as His people. So should all people of all time that claim to be God's people, keep His Sabbath as He has commanded. I understand your jealousy as a Jew to keep yourself separate from what you consider Gentiles, but my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was a Jew and the Messiah of the Jews. He has invited us all into a covenant relationship with God His Father through Himself, and made Jew and Gentile one in Himself also. There is no difference now. Maintain that separation if you wish, I will not go against the scriptures. I have been admonished to keep the commandments of God by the scriptures form one end to the other, and by Christ Himself. Thus I will keep God's Sabbath as He has commanded us all to do.


Really.....what passage of Scripture tells us that the Sabbath was instituted before the giving of the old covenant? That would be quite interesting, since the Sabbath commandment was ONLY part of the covenant law of the old covenant. You are therefore claiming that the old covenant law was in place before the old covenant was in power...care to give that passage a clear listing in your response also?

By the way, who authored this nonsense, anyway? I want to know so that I don't purchase any of his books...seeing as how this is nothing but error upon error...


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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #40 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 10:58:13 »
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Amo - you missed something important in your chapter 8: that is verse 17.  It is NOT a sign between God and the sinner - it is a sign between God and the children of Israel. That does NOT include gentile christians.


Every child of Israel is and has always been a sinner just like the rest of us. The Sabbath was intended for all humanity, thus it was instituted at creation 2000 years before there ever was a Jew. When the Jews made a covenant with God to be His people of course they were instructed to keep His Sabbath, as His people. So should all people of all time that claim to be God's people, keep His Sabbath as He has commanded. I understand your jealousy as a Jew to keep yourself separate from what you consider Gentiles, but my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was a Jew and the Messiah of the Jews. He has invited us all into a covenant relationship with God His Father through Himself, and made Jew and Gentile one in Himself also. There is no difference now. Maintain that separation if you wish, I will not go against the scriptures. I have been admonished to keep the commandments of God by the scriptures form one end to the other, and by Christ Himself. Thus I will keep God's Sabbath as He has commanded us all to do.



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Really.....what passage of Scripture tells us that the Sabbath was instituted before the giving of the old covenant? That would be quite interesting, since the Sabbath commandment was ONLY part of the covenant law of the old covenant. You are therefore claiming that the old covenant law was in place before the old covenant was in power...care to give that passage a clear listing in your response also?

By the way, who authored this nonsense, anyway? I want to know so that I don't purchase any of his books...seeing as how this is nothing but error upon error...

Ps 33:6  By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7  He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8  Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Ge 1:3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.................................................5.............And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 ¶  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so 8...................And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 ¶  And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so......... 11  And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so...........................13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 ¶  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so........................................................ 19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 ¶  And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21  And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good............................................. 23  And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 ¶  And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.........................................................26 ¶  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 ¶  And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30  And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31……………………………………….And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Ge 2:1 ¶  Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2  And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


God spoke and it stood and stands fast. He spoke the seventh day Sabbath into existence at creation, and until He decides otherwise, it stands fast. No one, and no thing can change this but God alone. After humanity all but rejected God, He chose a people in the earth to continue to represent Him until His salvation for all humanity could be accomplished through His Son. When establishing His nation He spoke concerning the seventh day Sabbath again, telling His own that they are not to forget His Sabbath. Then He wrote this commandment along with nine others in tables of stone with His own finger twice.

When His Son did come to save humanity, He taught God’s chosen people proper Sabbath observance, because they had distorted and maligned its true purpose through endless and burdensome man made rules and regulations regarding the same.  He told humanity that He did not come to abolish or change the law of God, but rather to fulfill it. He kept the seventh day Sabbath and all the commandments according to the will of God for all humanity to see, that they might emulate the same. He and His Apostles admonished all humanity to keep the commandments of God, and taught that He came to establish the law, not do away with it.

The book of Hebrews tells us that there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, and that this rest is accomplished most importantly by faith in God’s word. Which faith is clearly demonstrated by all who keep God’s seventh day Sabbath by faith in His word, concerning the day He has chosen to be kept as a sign of entering into His rest. Isaiah tells us that the Sabbath will be kept in heaven by all the redeemed as well. No one can change a command of God, but God Himself, and He has not done so. To the contrary, as continually pointed out on these message boards, we are all admonished to keep the commandments of God from one end of the scriptures to the other even up to the last book and chapter of them.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The Devil, his fallen angels, his minions of humanity, and all the instruments of hell are but a trifle to God. They cannot and will not change anything God has established by the word of His mouth. All their work and efforts will come to naught along with their very lives in the lake of fire. It will be as though they never were, but the word of God stands forever.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #41 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 13:50:19 »
17 THE TIME AND PLACE OF THE FIRST BEAST OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION CHAPTER 13


After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Church of Rome began a steady rise to power over the nations of Europe. The pinnacle of the age of her power, is rightly referred to by some, as the dark ages. Though the Church of Rome has put forth great efforts to eradicate this term form all literature that she can, the writer believes the term to be most accurate. 

The protestant reformation was a source of light during the dark ages. There were always those who opposed the false doctrines of the Church of Rome, and her claim to be the voice of God on earth. Multitudes paid with their lives. In God’s timing though, the movement gained momentum that the Church of Rome could not hold back. The word of God, which had been outlawed by the Church of Rome, was given to the people. Its light shined in the darkness which the Church of Rome had spread in the world. Its eternal truths broke the chains of ignorance which held sway over a people who had been enslaved by the false doctrines and claims of authority. 

This war between the false doctrines of the Church of Rome, and the truths of God’s word has been, is, and will continue to rage until God Himself ends all disputes by His promised return.  The reformation picked up enough momentum to cause serious damage to the power and influence of the Church of Rome upon this world. However, the Church of Rome also began a counter reformation, which she continues to this day. These two movements will continue until the end.

The height of the reformations effect upon the Church of Rome came in the year 1798. It was at this time, that the French General Berthier entered the Vatican and dethroned the Pope, sending him into exile. Though this act was not part of the reformation by any means, it only became possible because of the loss of power the Church of Rome sustained due to the same. It was around this time also, that a new nation was rising with a form of government built upon the grand principles of freedom espoused by the Protestant reformation. The United States became the greatest nation on earth, due to the principles of the Protestant reformation that were incorporated within her legislative halls. Namely, Civil and religious freedom guaranteed by a separation of church and state. 

This form of government was in direct opposition to the aims and goals of the Church of Rome.  Correspondingly therefore, it has been a main target of change, by the Church of Rome ever since its establishment. To undermine the principles and freedoms that our constitution guarantees, has been the goal of the Church of Rome since our conception. She is attaining to greater success today, than ever before. The prophecies of the book of Revelation predicted these very events. All that is happening is in accordance with God’s word, and under His complete control. Only God can allow absolute freedom, even to the point of rebellion, and still never lose control. All will unfold as He has predicted. Let’s continue our examination of the book of Revelation, chapter thirteen.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The first thing the reader might notice, is that this beast rises up out of the sea. We have already discussed in an earlier chapter, that Babylon the great sits upon many waters, and that the waters represent peoples, nations, and tongues (Rev. 17:15). This beast then, has this thing in common with Babylon the great. They arise out of, and are situated among peoples, nations, and various tongues, or languages.

The next thing we are told, is that this beast has seven heads and ten horns. We know from Revelation 12:3, that the dragon also has seven heads, and ten horns. Further examination will reveal that Babylon the great sits upon a beast that has seven heads, and ten horns (Rev. 17:3). The heads of the first beast of Rev. 13, and the beast of Rev. 17 which Babylon rides, are both said to have the names of blasphemy. As is obvious, the beast of Rev. 13 that we are examining, is none other than the beast which Babylon the whore of Rev. 17 rides. It is that form of government which is controlled by Babylon the great, who is herself controlled by the devil. 

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Verse two gives us some more identifying marks of this beast. The beast has ten horns and parts of a leopard, a bear, and a lion, and the dragon gives him power and authority. These identifying marks and creatures, represent the four beasts of the book of Daniel chapter seven which depicted the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian, and Roman Empires in succession. The following is said of the fourth beast of Daniel chapter seven which succeeds these other three -

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

That the above beast is Rome, cannot be doubted. Rome succeeded the Grecian empire, as the next great empire of the world existing in relation to God’s people. This beast has ten horns, linking it also with the beast of Revelation 13, and Babylon the great.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The little horn that comes forth out of this beast from among the ten horns, meets it’s end by the judgment of God at His appearing ( Dan 7:16-27). So also does Babylon the great, and the beast which she rides in the book of Revelation (Rev 18&19). This little horn is BABYLON THE GREAT, and the beast formed under her influence after the fall of the Western Roman Empire which we have discussed. Her rise to power we have already shown to be the downfall of the same through the establishment of her abominations within it. Thus the little horn is papal Rome coming up among the ten divisions of pagan Rome which we discussed in the previous chapter.

As mentioned in that chapter, the focus of time pertaining to the first beast power of Rev. 13, is from the time of Christ‘s first coming and onward. The dragon with seven heads and ten horns was waiting to devour the man child (Christ), as soon as He was born. The ten horns of the beasts of Rev. 12 & 13 representing the ten divisions of Rome after the time of Christ, and during the transition from pagan to papal Rome. It must be noted at this point, that the fourth beast of the book of Daniel 7 encompassed both pagan and papal Rome, and the transition from one to the other depicted by the rise of the little horn from or within the other ten. The book of Revelation centers upon the time of Christ and forward in relation to the beast established by the little horn.

The fourth beast of Daniel 7 and the little horn of the same are separate powers, though one emerges from within the other. Papal Rome emerged from within pagan Rome, having conquered the same from within, not without. Her rise to power from within was the ruin of the same, as it is the ruin of every nation she subjugates through manipulation and deceit, rather than literal warfare. Thus also is the ruin of our nation nigh at hand. When Christianity conquered paganism in the Roman Empire, Papal Rome usurped and combined the authority of both to her own ends. This all under the guidance of the Devil himself. The little horn of the fourth beast of Daniel 7 is the rise of the fifth beast of biblical prophecy whose existence and workings are more thoroughly addressed in the prophecies of the New Testament. This of course, because the Roman Empire occupies that space of time transitioning from the old to the new covenant. Pagan Rome being a beast of the old covenant era, the little horn or Papal Rome being the transition to the new.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The above scriptures say that the rest of the beasts, that is, the leopard, the bear, and the lion, “had their dominions taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.”  This is because, even though they were conquered by another kingdom, the survivors of these nations lived on. They became part of the new kingdom, or beast if you will, that reigned in the place of theirs. 

The fourth and final beast of Daniel 7, the prophecy of which encompassed both its pagan and papal forms, was built upon the peoples of all these previous nations and kingdoms. Thus Rev 13 verse 2 describes the fifth beast of biblical prophecy, papal Rome, as having different parts of all the previous beasts found in the book of Daniel 7. They are the peoples, nations, and tongues, out of which history it arose.

The point of verses eleven and twelve above is this, even though these other kingdoms or beasts lives were prolonged for a season after they were conquered, it will not be so with the fourth beast. The fourth beast will continue in one form or another, pagan then papal until the end of this world by the personal appearing and judgment of God. This event will put an end to all earthly kingdoms. There will be no prolonging of the lives of any of the kingdoms of this world, when Christ returns to set up His eternal kingdom. The succession from the fourth to the fifth beast of biblical prophecy, was not like that of any before it. It was not conquered militarily by a kingdom, peoples and their god of another nation, but from a religio-political system developed within and of itself. Which system combined and confounded the religious and political powers of pagan Rome, and apostate Christianity, Papal Rome.

This same religio-political system is BABYLON THE GREAT, and is connected to all of the prophetic beasts of the new covenant era. It is different from the old covenant beasts before it, conquering by manipulation and deceit from within empires, not militarily from without. It is at war with the spiritual and universal kingdom established by Christ in this world which breaks down all barriers between the citizens of it, thus the Devil has adapted its warfare to the spiritual and universal as well. Thus does BABYLON THE GREAT (the Church of Rome), claim for herself universal dominion and authority in and over all the kings of this earth. She does not conquer them militarily from without, but through her religiously and politically manipulated adherents from within. This is the real danger of Roman Catholicism to and upon all nations of this earth. While the true gospel of Jesus Christ and its principles ennoble and empower nations, the false gospel religion of Rome demoralizes and ruins the same.

We have already established in the previous chapter that the seven headed dragon of Rev.12, the seven headed beast of Rev.13 & 17, and Babylon the great which rides the beast are all linked together. It is in fact BABYLON THE GREAT, which ties all of them together. The seven heads of the dragon are the seven major kingdoms through which Satan has deceived this world, and carried out his rebellion against God. The beast we are discussing was built upon the peoples nations and tongues of the three previous beasts established in the book of Daniel. Those beasts are Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, followed by Rome. Out of pagan Rome, comes Papal Rome. Papal Rome exists until the end, when Christ returns. Thus Papal Rome links the four beasts of the book of Daniel, arising out of the remnants of them, with the beasts of the book of Revelation which we are examining. 

Basically, BABYLON THE GREAT is the master piece religion of Satan’s making, continuing his rebellion against God in and throughout the entire course of this earth’s history. She is that institution which made the transition of Satan’s deception and rebellion in this world from the era of the old covenant, to the era of the new covenant. Christ is the central figure of this world and its history. Satan cannot change this. The true worship of God underwent major changes due to the coming of Christ in the flesh, establishing the new covenant. Correspondingly then, Satan’s deceptions also had to undergo major changes to adapt, and continue to carry out his deception and rebellion in this world. BABYLON THE GREAT is that religio-politcal institution he created to effect the transition of pagan to papal Rome to this end and purpose.

She was and is Satan’s masterpiece for maintaining a continuity of rebellion and deception throughout this earth’s entire history. More specifically, the transition from the old to the new covenant, and the changes brought about by the same. It is to be kept in mind also, that this deception and rebellion is in relation to God’s people, and all those who claim to be the same.  Satan is not at war with his own on this earth. It is those who claim to be God’s people that he continually seeks to deceive and manipulate into misrepresenting and maligning the character of God. This is where the battle between truth and deception is most crucial. By polluting and confusing those who claim Christ Himself as their Lord and Savior, he can pollute and confuse the rest of the world as well.
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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #42 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 16:47:13 »
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God spoke and it stood and stands fast. He spoke the seventh day Sabbath into existence at creation, and until He decides otherwise, it stands fast. No one, and no thing can change this but God alone. After humanity all but rejected God, He chose a people in the earth to continue to represent Him until His salvation for all humanity could be accomplished through His Son. When establishing His nation He spoke concerning the seventh day Sabbath again, telling His own that they are not to forget His Sabbath. Then He wrote this commandment along with nine others in tables of stone with His own finger twice.


No, God did not speak the seventh day Sabbath into existence at creation...He spoke the seventh day into existence. You do a great job of reading into the text what you want to, and in doing so you pervert the Word of God.

The seventh day was just the seventh day until He commanded that it be kept as the sign of the Old Covenant...and BTW, that was the ONLY reason why He made it a commandments...precisely because it was the sign of the Old Covenant. Now that the Old Covenant is done away with and replaced by the New Covenant, and that the sign of the New Covenant is Communion, the command to follow the old sign is gone, and was never once repeated in the New Covenant Scriptures.

You can fight against the facts of Scripture all you want to, but your fight has been a lost cause now for over 2,000 years.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #43 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 17:26:19 »
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God spoke and it stood and stands fast. He spoke the seventh day Sabbath into existence at creation, and until He decides otherwise, it stands fast. No one, and no thing can change this but God alone. After humanity all but rejected God, He chose a people in the earth to continue to represent Him until His salvation for all humanity could be accomplished through His Son. When establishing His nation He spoke concerning the seventh day Sabbath again, telling His own that they are not to forget His Sabbath. Then He wrote this commandment along with nine others in tables of stone with His own finger twice.


No, God did not speak the seventh day Sabbath into existence at creation...He spoke the seventh day into existence. You do a great job of reading into the text what you want to, and in doing so you pervert the Word of God.

The seventh day was just the seventh day until He commanded that it be kept as the sign of the Old Covenant...and BTW, that was the ONLY reason why He made it a commandments...precisely because it was the sign of the Old Covenant. Now that the Old Covenant is done away with and replaced by the New Covenant, and that the sign of the New Covenant is Communion, the command to follow the old sign is gone, and was never once repeated in the New Covenant Scriptures.

You can fight against the facts of Scripture all you want to, but your fight has been a lost cause now for over 2,000 years.

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There is no arguing with self willed and obstinate ignorance. You deny what is right in front of your face. I'll not waste anymore time with you.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #44 on: Sun Aug 24, 2014 - 17:31:09 »
18 THE DEADLY WOUND AND HEALING OF THE FIRST BEAST

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

We have already discussed the decline and fall of the pagan Roman Empire. That it was brought about as a result of the establishment of the Church of Rome, within the same. It was the judgments of God upon the empire for the abominations of the Church of Rome being established within it. More specifically, the abomination of desolation which was set up by law within the Roman Empire. This did not come about through some decisive critical blow to the empire, but rather slowly over a course of more than two hundred years by the invasions of the barbarians from the north. Thus the deadly of the verse above which we are examining cannot be properly applied to pagan Rome.

The question is of course, can we find an event in history relating to Papal Rome, which could rightly represent her receiving an apparent deadly wound to her head? The answer is yes.  Observe the following quotes.

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When, in 1797, Pope Pius VI fell grievously ill, Napoleon gave orders that in the event of his death no successor should be elected to his office, and that the Papacy should be discontinued.

But the pope recovered; the peace was soon broken; Berthier entered Rome on the tenth of February, 1798, and proclaimed a republic.  The aged pontiff refused to violate his oath by recognizing it, and was hurried from prison to prison into France.  Broken with fatigue and sorrows, he died on the nineteenth of August, 1799, in the French fortress of Valence, aged eighty two years.  No wonder that half Europe thought Napoleon’s veto would be obeyed, and that with the Pope the Papacy was dead.--- “ The Modern Papacy,”
Page I ( Catholic Truth Society, London )
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The following quotes are taken from the book, FACTS OF FAITH.

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(Having now seen that the 1260 years of papal supremacy began in 538 A. D., it is an easy matter to find their close. Adding the 1260 years to 538 brings us to the year 1798. And if we have given the right application to this prophecy, history must record an event in 1798 that would appear like a death stroke to the Papacy. Turning to history we find just such an event
recorded:

The official Swedish newspaper, Stockholms Posttidning, for March 29, 1798, has the following news item:

“Rome, the 21st of Feb. [1798], Pope Pius VI, has occupied the papal chair for all of twenty-eight years, but the 15th inst. His government in the Papal States was abolished, and five days later, guarded by one hundred French soldiers, he was taken away from his palace and his capital ....

“His... property was sold by the French, and among it were seven hundred head of cattle, one hundred fifty horses, and eight hundred cords of wood ....

“Poor Pius! He must have felt very sad as he left Rome to go into captivity. When he departed his tear-filled eyes were turned heavenward.”

Rev. E. B. Elliott, A. M., says of these events: “In the years 1796, 1797, French dominion being established by Bonaparte’s victories in Northern Italy,... the French armies [urged] their march onward to the Papal Capital ....

The aged Pope himself, now left mere nominal master of some few remaining shreds of the Patrimony of Peter, experienced soon after in person the bitterness of the prevailing anti-papal spirit ....

“On pretence of an insult to the French Ambassador there, a French corps d’armee under Berthier, having in February, 1798, crossed the Apennines from Ancona, and entered Rome, the tricolour flag was displayed from the Capitol, amidst the shouts of the populace, the Pope’s temporal reign declared at an end, and the Roman Republic proclaimed, in strict alliance fraternization with the French. Then, in the Sistine Chapel of the Vatican, the ante-hall to which has a fresco painted by Papal order commemorative of the Protestant massacre on St. Bartholomew’s day, (might not the scene have served as a memento of God’s retributive justice?) there, while seated on his throne, and receiving the gratulations of his cardinals on the anniversary of his election to the Popedom, he was arrested by the French military, the ring of his marriage with the Church Catholic torn from his finger, his palace rifled, and himself carried prisoner into France, only to die there in exile shortly after”-”Horoe Apocalyptice,” Rev. E. B. Ellfott, A. M., Vol. III, pp. 400, 401. London: 1862.

Arthur R. Pennington, M. A., F. R. Hist. Soc., says of this event:

“One day the Pope was sitting on his throne in a chapel of the Vatican, surrounded by his cardinals who had assembled for the purpose cf offering him their congratulations on his elevation to his high dignity. On a sudden, the shouts of an angry multitude penetrated to the conclave, intermingled with the strokes of axes and hammers on the doors. Very soon a band of soldiers burst into the hall, who tore away from his finger his pontifical ring, and hurried him off, a prisoner, through a hall, the walls of which were adorned with a fresco, representing the armed satellites of the Papacy, on St. Bartholomew’s day, as bathing their swords in the blood of unoffending women and helpless children. Thus it might seem as if he were to be reminded that the same God who visits the iniquities of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation, had made him the victim of His retributive justice for a deed of atrocity which had long been crying aloud to Him for vengeance”-” Epochs of the Papacy,” pp. 449, 450. London: 188I.

Rev. Joseph Rickaby, an English Jesuit, writes: “When, in 1797, Pope Plus VI fell grievously ill, Napoleon gave orders that in the event of his death no successor should be elected to his office, and that the Papacy should be discontinued.

Rev. George Trevor, Canon of York, writes of this eventful year:

“The object of the French Directory was the destruction of the pontifical government, as the irreconcilable enemy of the republic .... The aged pope was summoned to surrender the temporal government; on his refusal, he was dragged from the altar .... His rings were torn from his fingers, and finally, after declaring the temporal power abolished, the victors carried the pope prisoner into Tuscany, whence he never returned (1798).

“The Papal States, converted into the Roman Republic, were declared to be in perpetual alliance with France, but the French general was the real master of Rome .... The territorial possessions of the clergy and monks were declared national property, and their former owners cast into prison. The Papacy was extinct: not a vestige of its existence remained; and among all the Roman Catholic powers not a finger was stirred in its defence. The Eternal City had no longer prince or pontiff; its bishop was a dying captive in foreign lands; and the decree was already announced that no successor would be allowed in his place”-” Rome: From the Fall of
the Western Empire,” pp. 439, 440. London: 1868.

An English secular writer, John Adolphus, says of 1798:

“The downfall of the papal government, by whatever means effected, excited perhaps less sympathy than that of any other in Europe: the errors, the oppressions, the tyranny of Rome over the whole Christian world, were remembered with bitterness; many rejoiced, through religious antipathy, in the overthrow of a church which they considered as idolatrous, though attended with the immediate triumph of infidelity; and many saw in these events the accomplishment of prophecies, and the exhibition of signs promised in the most mystical parts of the Holy Scriptures.”-”History of France from 1790-1802,” Vol. II, p. 379. London: I803.
(FACTS OF FAITH by Christian Edwardson pages 49-51)

Without question then, the Church of Rome received a deadly blow to the head in the year 1798. The Pope, the head of the church, was forcibly removed from his throne and died as a prisoner in exile. The government of the Church of Rome was without its head. These things are factual events in history, which fulfill this prophecy exactly. 

However, the verse doesn’t just say that this beast receives a deadly wound, but continues on to say that this wound would be healed and all the world would wonder after the beast. These things must also be true of the Church of Rome, if this prophecy is to be applied to her. So, is this wound healed now, two hundred and eight years later? Let’s take a look at some indications from the present condition of the Church of Rome.

Of course we know that there is and has been for quite some time now, a Pope sitting on the throne. The Vatican currently enjoys full diplomatic relations with 176 states or countries, and Benedict XVI is looking for more.” It also has the status of a permanent observer at the UN. Pope John Paul II received the Congressional Medal of Honor from the US Congress. This is not surprising, since 28.8 percent of the US congress is Catholic. There are more than twice as many Catholics in our congress than any other religious affiliation. In and of itself, this is quite an accomplishment, considering the fact that this country was predominantly anti-Catholic in its beginnings.   

Six out of nine of our supreme court justices are Catholic, which is also quite an accomplishment considering that there have only ever been eleven Catholic Justices . This gives them a majority vote on any issue. We’re talking about the court which determines what will be the law of the land, or not. Without question the Church of Rome has a heavy and ever increasing influence upon our government, its policies, and course of action. Thus the nation has begun a nose dive from which she will not recover. Just as the establishment of the Church of Rome within the Roman Empire caused the decline and fall of the same, so will it also be here in our nation. Not only in this country, but in the entire world, as her influence is on the rise on a global scale.

Who can forget the funeral of Pope John Paul II, it was the largest funeral in the history of the world. Leaders from virtually every nation on earth attended. Without question, all the world is beginning to wonder after the beast.

The deadly wound which the Church of Rome received is not yet completely healed, but it is well on its way. Let us continue our examination of Rev. 13 to find out more of the details of this recovery.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

In verses 4-10 we have a summary of the life of this first beast of Rev. 13. The they, of verse four is the entire world who wonder after the beast, spoken of in verse three.  All those that are of this world will worship the beast, which is the same as worshipping the dragon, for he is the one who gives the beast its power. By following the commands of the beast, which come from the dragon, they are choosing to worship the dragon, over God. As is obvious then, the commands of God, and the commands of the dragon, will contradict each other. Those who do not worship the beast, are not of this world, but are of the kingdom of Christ and the world to come (John 8:23, 14:17, 15:18-20, 17:11-19, 18:36).

The world wonders after the beast and asks who is able to make war with him, because they have seen the beast receive a deadly wound to its head, and yet live. Not just live, but attain to even greater power than it had before the deadly wound.

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Verse five tells us that that this beast speaks great things, and blasphemies. It also tells us how long the beast continues. The reference to the continuity of this beast, is in relation to its existence before it receives the deadly wound. We see that this beast never attained the kind of power which is spoken of it in verses 7&8, before it receives a deadly wound. Prior to 1798, the Church of Rome exercised its power mainly over the nations of Europe. However, verses 7&8 speak of it exercising power over all the world. Furthermore, we will find in verses 11-18 that the second beast of this chapter is the one responsible for exalting the first beast to this pinnacle of its power. We will examine this in greater detail when we get to these verses.

The forty two months refer to the time which the Church of Rome ruled Europe through the kings of the same. It is the same time period as the time, times, and half a time, in Daniel 7:25 and Rev. 12:14. Also of the 1260 days of Rev. 11:3, and Rev. 12:6. All of these time prophecies have to do with the reign of the Church of Rome over the kings of the nations of Europe and the consequences of the same. The time it is covering is from 538, to 1798. From the full establishment of the churches power in Europe, to the time of the deadly wound it received.

The great things and blasphemies spoken by this beast have to do with the abominations set up by it in place of the true worship of God, which we have discussed in previous chapters.  The power that it claims to change the word of God, and force all into obedience to these changes, is blasphemous. Force is a prerogative that belongs only to God, and is one that even He is not willing to exercise. It is the power which the Apostle Paul talks about in 2 Thess. Chapter 2.

II Th 2:1-4  1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

In verse 6 we see more of the same, along with a few more details. Again, these blasphemies have to do with the abominations set up by the Church of Rome through the power of the state. The tabernacle, is the temple of God. The false priesthood of the Church of Rome, is meant to replace the priesthood and ministration of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary.  To do away with the continual ministry of Christ, and with the cooperation of his angels in heaven on behalf of all humanity. 

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

As mentioned already, Rev 13:7&8 tell us that God will allow this beast power to rule over all the earth. Everyone whose name is not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, will worship this beast which she rides. This beast has and will make war with the saints, those who know and understand the truths of God’s word. God will allow the beast to overcome them in this world, until He returns to make everything right. This war, the Church of Rome has already been engaged in for over a thousand years. As the writer contends, she is intensifying her efforts toward the same presently, and will continue to do so until the end. It is time for God’s servants to do the same for the glory and honor of His name.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Verse nine and ten reveal the end of this first beast. Though it leads the world into captivity, and will kill all those who do not go along with it by the sword, the same will be done to it by God himself when He returns. For this event, the saints are to be patient and have faith in the word of God. We will continue our examination of Rev.13 in the next chapter.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
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19-THE SECOND BEAST OF REV. 13 AND THE SETTING
UP OF THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IN ALL THE WORLD


11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Now we begin to examine the second beast of Rev. 13, which is so intricately tied to the first beast which we have been discussing. The first difference to note, is that this beast rises up out of the earth, not the sea. What does this mean?

We know that the sea or waters, represent peoples, nations, and tongues. In other words, densely populated areas. Rising out of the earth then, must mean just the opposite of rising out of the sea. Rising out of a fairly unpopulated area. The first beast was built upon the peoples, nations, and tongues of many pre-existing and overthrown kingdoms and governments. This second beast though, will not rise or come forth from others, but will apparently be new. What comes to mind, is that nation which was once referred to as the new world. 

The United States of America was referred to as the new world, because that is exactly what it was. A huge, and sparsely populated country. When the government of this country was established, it was also a new form of government. A government for the people, and by the people. A free country. One that maintained freedom of the individual to worship God according to their own conscience, or not at all, by maintaining a separation of church and state. While the Church of Rome was receiving a deadly wound to its head almost bringing an end to the first beast of this chapter, the United States was just rising to power. As the first beast was leaving the scene, this second beast was rising out of the earth.

This second beast has two horns like a lamb. We know from Dan. 7:24 and Rev. 17:12, that horns represent kings or kingdoms. They are different divisions of power within the beasts.  We know from Daniel chapter seven, that three of the horns of the fourth beast of that chapter, were plucked up by the little horn which came up after them. So these powers are separate entities from each other, and can go against, or take over each other. 

What could the two horns of this second beast power be, if this beast is the U.S.? The U.S. does not have separate kings or kingdoms within it. It has no kings at all. There are divisions of the federal government, but they serve the purpose of creating a balance of power. So what could these two horns represent in the U.S.? The key is in the fact that this beast has two horns like a lamb. What does the description, like a lamb mean?

A lamb in the scriptures has always represented Christ. The two powers, or horns of this beast, must make it lamb like, or Christ like. The two horns are the two powers that this country acknowledges, and keeps separate in order to maintain freedom. That is, the church and the state. Both claim authority, and both are allowed their authority in their separate spheres within this country. This is without question, Christ like. The state must deal with the affairs of this world, enforcing the laws of the land to maintain order. The church has the same obligation, on a spiritual level to its members. These two should never be combined. Christ himself never combined the two while here on earth. These two were only combined during the old covenant because God himself was to lead the nation. It should certainly be noted that these two were also combined by all the persecuting beast powers which we have been examining in this book. It is a fact, that all of the beasts that we will examine in this book, which includes all seven heads of the dragon, have combined the church with the state, resulting in the persecution of God’s people.

Never once did Christ or any of His Apostles appeal to civil authorities for support in fulfilling the Church’s commission. These two only and always remained separate until the great apostasy which we have been studying. Christ made it very clear that His kingdom was not of this world (John 8:23, 14:17, 15:18-20, 17:11-19, 18:36). The two horns of this nation then, are these two powers, the temporal and the spiritual, the church and the state. Their separation is above all, what makes this nation Christ like. It was experiential knowledge of the abuse resulting from a government combining the two, that lead our founding fathers to a determined separation of them. Observe the following.


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In order to avoid wars and persecutions over religion, the founders of the United States tried a bold experiment. They allowed FREEDOM OF RELIGION by separating church from state, so that one could be a full member of civil society without having to belong to a particular church.  Colonies that had established churches gradually ended that practice so that churches were no longer built by the state, nor were their ministers paid by the state. Churches began to rely on the voluntary contributions of their members, which resulted in more vigorous churches. During the period of Communist rule in Eastern Europe, governments also separated church from state, but instead of allowing a free choice of religion, the states sought to discourage the practice of any religion whatsoever. (Groliers Encyclopedia)

     
The colonists, including their philosohy in their religion, as the people up to that time had always done, were neither skeptics nor sensualilsts, but Christains. The school that bows to the senses as the sole inerpreter of truth had little share in colonizing our America. The colonists from Main to Carolina, the adventurous companies of Smith, the proscribed Puritans that freighted the fleet of Winthrop, the Quaker outlaws that fled from jails with a Newgate prisoner as their sovereign-all had faith in God and in the soul. The system which had been revealed in Judea-the system which combines and perfects the symbolic wisdom of the Orient and the reflectve genius of Greece- the system, conforming to reason, yet kindling enthusiasm; always hastening reform, yet always conservative; proclaiming absolute equality among men, yet not suddenly abolishing the unequal institutions of society; guaranteeing absolute freedom, yet invoking the inexorable restrictions of duty; in the highest degree theoretical, and yet in the highest degree practical; awakening the inner man to a consciousness of his destiny, and yet adapted with exact harmony to the outward world; at once divine and human-this system was professed in every part of our widely extended country, and cradled our freedom.

Our fathers were not only Christains; they were, even in Maryland by a vast majority, elsehwere almost unanimously, Protestants. Now the Protestant reformation, considered in its largest influence on politics, was the awakening of the common people to freedom of mind.
 
During the decline of the Roman empire, the opressed invoked the power of Christianity to resist the supremacy of brute force; and the merciful priest assumed the office of protector.  The tribunes of Rome, appointed by the people, had been declared inviolable by the popular vote; the new tribunes of humanity, deriving their office from religion, and ordained by religion to a still more venerable sanctity, defended the poor man's house against lust by the sacrament of marriage; restrained arbitrary passion by a menace of the misery due to sin unrepented of and unatoned; and taught respect for the race by sprinkling every new-born child with the water of life, confirming every youth, bearing the oil of consolation to every death-bed, and sharing freely with every human being the consecrated emblem of God present with man.

But from protectors priests grew to be usurpers. Expressing all moral truth by the mysteries of symbols, and reserving to themselves the administration of seven sacraments, they claimed a monopoly of thought and exercised an absolute spiritual dominion. Human bondage was strongly riveted; for they had fastened it on the affections, the understanding, and the reason.  Ordaining thier own successors, they ruled human destiny at birth, on entering active life, at marriage, when frailty breathed its confession, when faith aspired to communion with God, and at death.  (History of the United States, Bancroft Vol. 1.)

                             

George Washington

In a letter to the Ministers and ruling Elders delegated to represent the churches in Mass. and New H. which compose the first Presbytery of the Eastward. " And here, I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe, that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political attention. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation respecting religion from the Magna Charta of our country.

To the guidance of the ministers of the gospel this important object is, perhaps, more properly commited. It will be your care to instruct the ingnorant, to reclaim the devious; and in the progress of morality and science, to which our government will give every furtherance, we may expect confidently, the advancement of true religion and the completion of happiness. "

     In a letter to the General Committee, representing the United Baptist churches in Virginia.

" If I could have entertained the slightest apprehension that the Constitution framed in the Convention, where I had the honor to preside, might possibly endanger the relogious rights of any ecclesiastical Society, certainly I would never have placed my signature to it; and if I could now conceive that the general Government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution-For you, doubtless, remember that I have often expressed my sentiments, that every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience. "

Thomas Jefferson

From Jeffersons first Inaugural adress. " All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possesses their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Let us, then, fellow-citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that, having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions. "

BILL FOR ESTABLISHING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN VIRGINIA (1799)

Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up there own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tryannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporal rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labors for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that, therefore, the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him the incapacity of being called to the offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opoinion, is depriving him injuriously of those priviledges and advantages to which in common with his fellow citizens he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honors and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the feild of opoinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles, on the supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency, will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its offices to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.

Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

And though we well know this Assembly, elected for the people for the ordinary services of legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding assemblies, constituted with the powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable, would be of no effect in law, yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right.



     _To Messrs. Nehemiah Dodge and Others, a Committee of the
Danbury Baptist Association, in the State of Connecticut_
        January 1, 1802

 GENTLEMAN,
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction.  My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that
their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.


I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.


The above quotes should be sufficient evidence that the intention of this nation was to maintain a separation of church and state, as a prerequisite to assuring true freedom among those of differing faiths. This in particular, is what the Church of Rome has been striving to change since our nations inception. She cannot rule, and ride the nations of this earth, while this separation continues.

This is why, although this second beast has two horns like a lamb, it ends up speaking like a dragon. The information shared before, concerning the large number of Catholics within our government, is all part of the plan to overthrow this one aspect of our government, which will not allow the Church of Rome to rule this nation. There is much to be said about the manipulation of our government by Roman Catholic church. This task though, I will leave to others. I will recommend though, the book FACTS OF FAITH by Christian Edwardson, the chapter entitled MAKING AMERICA CATHOLIC. This book is not new by any means, and  God only knows how far Rome has gone along these lines since its publication. Without question, the U.S. is the one of the, if not the most powerful nation on this earth. Any entity wishing to dominate this world will first have to dominate us. Let us continue.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

This country is the second beast of Rev. 13. It will exercise all the authority of the first beast before it. Our government will cause all the earth to worship the first beast once again, whose deadly wound is healed. It will be and is being healed by the willing cooperation of our nation in restoring the Church of Rome back to its former position of controlling and manipulating the nations. Our government will and is putting the great whore upon its back and allowing it to ride us toward its ultimate goal, world domination. She will speak through the laws of this land, which the Church of Rome is ever more poised to enact. Her members are entrenched within the legislative halls of this country, and when the time is right, she will seize control and implement the authority of the man of sin. When God allows strong delusion to come upon the earth because of their rejection of truth, the man of sin will be exalted in God’s place to rule over all who have done so.

Apostate Protestantism will and is joining hands with Rome in this repudiation of everything it once stood for. Having abandoned the power of the Holy Spirit, by rejecting the truths of God’s word, they now also seek the power of the state. This road leads directly to Rome, for she is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. She is that apostate form of “Christianity” which first abandoned the truth, and thus the Holy Spirit, in favor of the power of the state. Roman Catholics, and apostate Protestants have already been working together on their political agendas for a great many years now. 

This second beast will force some type of worship upon all, which will be the same as forcing all to worship the first beast. The reader knows by now, where the writer is going with this one.  It is a no brainer. The command of God requires the seventh day to be set aside specifically for time with Him. The command of Rome requires that we set aside the first day for time with God as they define Him. God has sanctified the seventh day, Rome claims to have sanctified the first day. We will all prove who we really worship by the day we choose to set aside as God’s own. The rubber will really meet the road, when the beast power forces its worship upon all through civil legislation. Then it will be revealed who really has faith in the word of God, and who does not. Then will the abomination of desolation be set up by law in place of that which is holy.

As already noted, it was through Sunday legislation that the Church of Rome gained the power of the state during its rise within the Roman Empire. It will be through Sunday legislation that she will also gain and complete the same power through the second beast of Rev 13. By enforcing this law, a nation gives the Church of Rome the power of their state, since she is the mother of this abomination. It is the abomination of desolation, and when it is set up in place of the holy Sabbath, desolation will follow. These things will shortly come to pass.   

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

In verses 13&14 we are introduced to some crucial events that will strengthen the second beast’s efforts to exalt the first beast again in this world. This second beast has power to bring fire down from heaven in the sight of men. There are two reasons presented in scripture for bringing fire down from heaven in the sight of men. One was for destruction according to the judgments of God, and the other was to consume a sacrifice according to the favor of God. This fire though is not from heaven, but employed by the second beast in sight of the first beast, in order to reestablish the authority of the same. Who brings fire down from heaven in the sight of men today?

The United States routinely brings fire down from heaven against its enemies in the sight of men. The enemy never sees their adversaries coming. Our bombs simply fall out of the sky and destroy them. Our satellites pinpoint the targets and our cruise missiles and drones take care of the rest. As our technology is continually increasing in order to more efficiently perform the same, Babylon’s minions are increasingly in control of our government to make use of the same in reestablishing their authority in this world. Thus, the second beast makes an image to the first by being controlled by Babylon herself, in the reestablishment of her power on a global scale.

The cooperation of these two beasts is for the purpose of causing all to worship the image of the first beast. Which is nothing less than worshiping the first beast itself. How did the first beast obtain its power to force its worship upon all under its authority the first time? We have already established that it was through exalting Sunday sacredness by civil law. So it will be again. When the second beast establishes the same through civil legislation the image will be complete. These very things are transpiring right now before our eyes. There is a large movement in Europe, where the first beast was originally formed, to reestablish Sunday sacredness through civil legislation. Our nation, the second beast is increasingly under the control of Babylon the great who directed the first beast to do so. It is no accident that these things are developing simultaneously, this is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

It is here for all to see, if they only will. Babylon’s power and influence is and has been on the increase in all the world, and more particularly within the legislative halls of our country. At the same time, there is a growing movement to reestablish Sunday sacredness through legislation, to deny any connection would be absurd. At the same time the second beast, our nation, increasingly has the ability to bring fire down from heaven in the sight of men for destruction. What has been the result of all of this? Absolute chaos. The world is in total chaos and it is getting worse all the time. As Babylon’s power and influence upon the world increases, so does confusion and chaos. This is what she thrives upon. This is when her rise to power accelerates. Control through confusion.

There is neither time nor space to begin addressing her methodologies for control concerning the same. Suffice it to say that as her political power and influence increases, so does chaos and confusion and this is no accident. An examination of her history in relation to the Jesuit order alone will speak volumes concerning the same. Today a Jesuit sits upon the papal throne for the first time in history, no doubt nothing is as it appears. Apart from these events though, there is another influence predicted in scripture which will effect more no doubt than all the rest regarding the subject at hand, Paul tells us the following -


II Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

God Himself will allow strong delusion to come upon our world during this time. As the Apostle points out, God only allows strong delusion to come upon the world because the world has already chosen to believe a lie. Once they have rejected the truth, there is nothing left for them but deception. As verse thirteen of the above points out, the saved are those who have been sanctified by the Spirit, and believing the truth. No one will be deceived who has not deliberately chosen to be so, that they might take pleasure in unrighteousness. It is back to the same issue. Is the day which God said was sanctified, sanctified? Or is the day which Rome says is sanctified, sanctified? Which day will you exalt, and thus exalt the one by whose authority it was created? 

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Obviously, the beast will devise some kind of mark, or way to identify who worships the beast, and who does not. Thus he can apply the utmost pressure upon those who will not submit to his authority. Those who do not worship the beast, will not be able to function at all in the society of this fallen earth. Eventually the command will go forth to kill all those who will not worship the beast. All of this, is under God’s control. When all have made their decision, He will return and set up His everlasting kingdom, putting an end to all contentions. The perfect test for those who would meet God face to face when He returns. Will you have faith in God’s word, even when the whole world around you is pressuring you not to? Time will tell, but only the grace of God will get any through these times. Nevertheless, come Lord Jesus.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

No telling how much has been written about the above verse. The number of the beast, is the number of a man, and it is 666. We have already identified the beast as government ridden and controlled by Babylon the Great, the Church of Rome. The Pope being the leader of that institution. So much has already been written regarding this subject, that the writer will not spend much time on it. Anyone who is truly searching, will find that there are various titles applied to the Pope the numerical value of which, add up to 666. Of course there are many names that this can be done with. 

The number 666 is also associated with sun worship, and is actually considered the number of the sun. The magic square of the sun, from which the number of the sun 666 comes, was derived in ancient literal Babylon. The Church of Rome is the result of the amalgamation of pagan religions, with apostate Christianity. The vast majority of these being different and various forms of sun worship. Thus the Church of Rome is filled with various pagan symbols, many of which, are directly associated with the number 666. Apart from this of course, she promotes the day of the sun as sacred in place of the day which God Himself sanctified and made sacred by the power of His word. Thus putting herself and therefore humanity, in the place of God. This is verily anti-Christ.

As before mentioned, the sanctification of Sunday, is a pagan institution, not a Christian one. It was established within the ranks of those who called themselves Christians through the Church of Rome, the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 

The following quotes are taken from the book,- SUNDAY IN ROMAN PAGANISM, by Robert Leo Odom.

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“ And the Encyclopedia Britannica mentions that “the sanctification of Sunday and of the 25th of December” was a special feature of Mithraism, and says: “ Each day of the week was marked by the adoration of a special planet, the Sun being the most sacred of all.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th ed.,  Vol. 15, pp. 620, 621, art,  “Mithras.”)

“ The devil’s name before his fall is said to be Lucifer, which means, “Light bearer.”  The Hebrew term is Helel, which literally means “ shining one.”  In the margin of the Authorized and the American Revised Versions it is rendered “day star.”  Webster’s New International Dictionary defines daystar as meaning poetically “the Sun, as the orb of day.”  It is not to be wondered at that Satan should choose the shining solar orb - the most glorious object in the sky _ to be the supreme symbol of paganism. “

The one who exalts the day of the sun over the day that the Lord God Himself has sanctified, is the one who puts their self, in the place of God. This is the original mind of Satan, the one who wanted to be God. It is the place of the man of sin, and the antichrist. It is choosing the day which Satan himself has chosen to exalt in this world, in recognition of his claim to authority. This over and above the day which the Lord Jesus Christ chose to exalt in this world as his claim to authority as the creator and redeemer of it.  Thus the number 666, which is the number of the sun, is aptly applied to the antichrist.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #46 on: Sat Aug 30, 2014 - 06:08:09 »
20- REV. 14


We have already addressed most of chapter fourteen in previous chapters, the message of the three angels, and the reaping of the harvests of this world after all have made their decision regarding these messages. For this reason, we will only address the first few verses of this chapter, before we move on to chapter fifteen. 

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

The beginning of chapter fourteen leaves the scene of the beasts on earth, and moves forward to those who have gained the victory, and are in heaven with Christ. These one hundred and forty four thousand are apparently a special group who follow the Lamb, or Christ where ever He goes. They are without fault before God, and no guile or deceit is in their mouths. They have not been defiled with women, and are virgins. Whether this number is literal or symbolic, is not revealed. 

The fact that they are not defiled with women, is suggestive that the women they might have been involved with are not pure or holy. BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH comes to mind. It is through the world’s relationship with Babylon and her daughters, that they are defiled. More specifically, through the acceptance of her lying doctrines, they deny the truth and are defiled before God. 

Immediately following verse five is the proclamation of the three angels which we have already examined. No doubt, it is the preaching of these messages that separates this one hundred and forty four thousand from the rest of humanity. By preaching these truths in the earth, they are following the leading of the Lamb of God. Just as Christ came into the world to preach the truth, regardless of the consequences, so to do the one hundred and forty four thousand.  Thus there is no guile, or deceit coming from their mouths. They take no part in the false doctrines of the Church of Rome.

Immediately after these messages are preached in all the world, the harvests of the world are reaped by Christ and His angels. It is important to notice, that the command to reap the world of its harvests comes from angels who bring the message from within the temple in heaven.  God is in His temple. He is ruling the affairs of all creation from within His temple. Those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes have followed Him to His temple in heaven. They come boldly before the throne of God to “obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” (Heb 4:16). They have followed their Savior from the holy to the most holy, where the fate of all is being determined before Christ returns bringing His reward with Him. They are preaching a message to prepare a people to meet their God face to face.

Psalm 11 4 he LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. 5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. 6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
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21- REV.15&16 THE SEVEN PLAGUES


Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. 5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: 6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. 8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

In verses one through four of chapter fifteen we are brought again to a seen in heaven after those who are Christ’s have gained the victory over the beast, his image, his mark, and the number of his name. They are singing the song of Moses, and of the Lamb. This is no doubt the new song that they were referred to as singing in the previous chapter. These followers of Christ had no part of the kingdom of the beast. They were not a part of this world, but rather citizens of heaven in Christ. They did not worship the image of the beast, but Jesus Christ the redeemer and creator of heaven and earth only. They did not receive the beast’s mark, receiving instead the seal of God. They had no part of the number of his name. That is to say, they took no part in submitting to the authority of the false system of worship combining apostate Christianity and pagan sun worship.

Starting in verse five, we see again the temple of God in heaven. Seven angels come out of the temple of God having seven golden vials which contain the seven plagues from God.  These vials or plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

In verse one of chapter sixteen, we see again, that God is in his temple. It is from the temple in heaven that God is ruling all creation, and dealing with this world in rebellion against His authority (Ps. 11:4-6, 18:6, Isa. 6:1-7, Hab. 2:20, Mic. 1:1-4). He commands the seven angels to pour out the vials containing the seven last plagues upon those who have received the mark of the beast. This is obviously a future event, since no one has yet received the mark of the beast, nor has anyone been forced to worship his image.

Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. 10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. 12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Verses three through twelve describe the results of the next five plagues. Again, these events must be in the future, since they follow the first angel’s plague, whose plague is yet future.  One cannot help but note the correlation between the above plagues, and the plagues which Moses released upon Egypt by the command of God. God delivered His people from their slavery to the Egyptians. Here in the book of Revelation, God is delivering his people from the slavery of sin, and the world which wishes to perpetuate it in rebellion against God. They are delivered from Babylon and the beast she rides which are attempting to force all to break the commandments of God by abandoning His Sabbath in favor of Babylon’s chosen day. When apostate Israel set up the abomination of desolation, God sent judgment from the northern kingdom of Babylon unto destruction and desolation. When apostate Spiritual Israel, (Christianity), set up the abomination of desolation, God sent judgment from the barbarians of the north unto destruction and desolation. When the entire world sets up the abomination of desolation under the leadership of BABYLON THE GREAT, God will bring judgment upon the same personally unto destruction and desolation. 

The sixth vial dries up the great river Euphrates when it is poured out. This prepares the way for the kings of the east. We know from history, that Cyrus the king of the Medo-Persian empire, dried up the Euphrates in order to over throw literal Babylon. Cyrus was chosen by God to over throw the Babylonian kingdom, and deliver God’s people from them (Isa. 44:27-45:13). No doubt, this drying up of the river Euphrates has to do with preparing the way for Christ’s second coming. The deliverance of His people, and the judgment of BABYLON THE GREAT, which comes about as a result of the seventh vial being poured out.

It may be that the waters of the great river Euphrates represent the peoples, nations, multitudes, and tongues that have submitted to the authority of the Church of Rome. After suffering the results of the first five plagues, their support for BABYLON THE GREAT and the beast which she rides, is drying up. Later in chapter seventeen the scripture speaks of those who gave their power unto her, hating her, making her desolate, and burning her with fire. No doubt, when the world realizes that it has been deceived by her, it will turn on her. This will be right before Christ returns.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Verses thirteen and fourteen speak of the spirits of devils, working miracles to gather the whole world together in battle against God. They do this on behalf of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. These people are allowed to be deceived, because they have already chosen to believe a lie, as pointed out by Paul (2 Th 2:8-12). Though they have been receiving the plagues as a judgment from God, they would not repent.

They are receiving the plagues as a direct result of rejecting the messages of the three angels of Revelation fourteen. In particular, they have refused to worship Him “that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters”(Rev. 14:7), on the day which He has commanded them to do so. They have also partaken of the wine of Babylon, even though they have been warned that she has fallen. “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication” (Rev. 14:8). As a result of drinking the wine of her false doctrines, they have chosen to worship the beast and his image.  They have chosen the day of worship which the Church of Rome has claimed to sanctify, over the day of worship which God Himself has sanctified. They have set up the abomination of desolation in place of the holy. Resulting of course, is desolation. 

The Reformation began a process of breaking away from the abominable doctrines of the Church of Rome. This Reformation continues until this day. It includes a call back to the true worship of God on the day which He Himself has sanctified. Many millions have responded.  Yet the Church of Rome through her spiritual adultery has and is once again rising to power.  She is once again striving to exalt her self-appointed day of worship in the world. When she has succeeded again in setting up her abomination of desolation in the place of the holy Sabbath, then God will once again send desolation and destruction upon the world. When the United States whose government was built upon Protestant principles of civil and religious freedom, repudiates all of the same by establishing Sunday sacredness by law, this beast will have placed herself fully under the banner of the Church of Rome, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The pouring out of the seventh vial is the end of all things of this earth, as we know it. Again, it is from within the temple in heaven, that the voice of God from His throne pronounces that it is done. The greatest earthquake of all time, the great city divided into three parts, the cities of the nations falling, Babylon’s judgment, every island fleeing away, no mountains able to be found, and let’s not forget hailstones weighing somewhere between one hundred to two hundred pounds falling upon humanity. Certainly, this is the end of the world. The judgment of BABYLON THE GREAT, is the judgment of this entire world. By the time the Lord returns to judge Babylon, there will only be those who are either loyal to Babylon by obeying her, or loyal to God by obeying Him. Let us continue our examination by moving on to chapter seventeen.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #48 on: Sat Aug 30, 2014 - 12:19:10 »
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God spoke and it stood and stands fast. He spoke the seventh day Sabbath into existence at creation, and until He decides otherwise, it stands fast. No one, and no thing can change this but God alone. After humanity all but rejected God, He chose a people in the earth to continue to represent Him until His salvation for all humanity could be accomplished through His Son. When establishing His nation He spoke concerning the seventh day Sabbath again, telling His own that they are not to forget His Sabbath. Then He wrote this commandment along with nine others in tables of stone with His own finger twice.


No, God did not speak the seventh day Sabbath into existence at creation...He spoke the seventh day into existence. You do a great job of reading into the text what you want to, and in doing so you pervert the Word of God.

The seventh day was just the seventh day until He commanded that it be kept as the sign of the Old Covenant...and BTW, that was the ONLY reason why He made it a commandments...precisely because it was the sign of the Old Covenant. Now that the Old Covenant is done away with and replaced by the New Covenant, and that the sign of the New Covenant is Communion, the command to follow the old sign is gone, and was never once repeated in the New Covenant Scriptures.

You can fight against the facts of Scripture all you want to, but your fight has been a lost cause now for over 2,000 years.

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There is no arguing with self willed and obstinate ignorance. You deny what is right in front of your face. I'll not waste anymore time with you.


Well, that is the FIRST thing that you have gotten correct throughout this whole exchange..."There is no arguing with a self willed and obstinate ignorance..." you speak volumes regarding yourself...

Romans 14:1-6
 1   As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.
 2   One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
 3   Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
 4   Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
 5   One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
 6   The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Since your attitude and words demonstrate that you are the weaker person in the faith here, and since you are obstinate and refuse to see the facts right before your eyes, I will no longer argue with you. No day is greater than another, if the Sabbath was still a commandment (which it is not) then Paul would have said "except for the Sabbath" but no where does he.

You are weak in the faith, and that is why you believe what you believe. I didn't say it, Paul did by the Spirit of God.

Good day...



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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #49 on: Sun Aug 31, 2014 - 13:19:11 »
Really.....what passage of Scripture tells us that the Sabbath was instituted before the giving of the old covenant? That would be quite interesting, since the Sabbath commandment was ONLY part of the covenant law of the old covenant. You are therefore claiming that the old covenant law was in place before the old covenant was in power...care to give that passage a clear listing in your response also.


What passage of Scripture tells us of <<the giving of the old covenant>>? That would be quite interesting, since the <old covenant> was none of God’s, but of MAN’S undertaking.

“DON’T GO GENTLE! Rage! Rage against the dying of the Light! …” The NEW Covenant was in place before the old covenant was in power. You do not and cannot perceive.



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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #50 on: Sun Aug 31, 2014 - 14:55:22 »
What passage of Scripture tells us of <<the giving of the old covenant>>? That would be quite interesting, since the <old covenant> was none of God’s, but of MAN’S undertaking.

That would be Exodus 20.  God coming down to the top of Sinai and proclaiming the 10 commandments in 70 languages on Shavuot (pentecost)

How exactly was that "man's undertaking?"

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #51 on: Sun Aug 31, 2014 - 19:55:48 »
Really.....what passage of Scripture tells us that the Sabbath was instituted before the giving of the old covenant? That would be quite interesting, since the Sabbath commandment was ONLY part of the covenant law of the old covenant. You are therefore claiming that the old covenant law was in place before the old covenant was in power...care to give that passage a clear listing in your response also.


What passage of Scripture tells us of <<the giving of the old covenant>>? That would be quite interesting, since the <old covenant> was none of God’s, but of MAN’S undertaking.

“DON’T GO GENTLE! Rage! Rage against the dying of the Light! …” The NEW Covenant was in place before the old covenant was in power. You do not and cannot perceive.


I agree with DaveW...apparently I am not the one who cannot perceive...

God came down and gave the Old Covenant (also called the Mosaic Covenant and the Sinaitic Covenant...just in case you are confused on that issue) to Moses...He wrote it with His own finger on the two stone tablets, and then gave them to Moses to take down to the people...which they then swore to obey. Apparently you missed that whole section...practically half of Exodus and all of Leviticus.

What in the world makes you even think that the New Covenant was in power BEFORE the Old Covenant? I am sorry, but perhaps you do have some comprehension issues here with the OT Scriptures...which your last post speaking about you being the arch-foe of Christianity (basically) sheds light upon...


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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #52 on: Mon Sep 01, 2014 - 08:49:53 »
 
22-REV. 17 THE GREAT WHORE, THE SEVEN MOUNTAINS, AND THE BEAST THAT WAS, IS NOT, AND YET IS


Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

The above verses have already been thoroughly explained in previous chapters. We have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that the whore of verse one is the Church of Rome, and the many waters are the many peoples, nations, and tongues that support her. That she is that institution which has committed fornication with the kings of this earth, and that all those who have accepted her false doctrines are as it were drunk with the influence of the same. What is the effect of alcohol, but to benumb the senses, and warp the perception of the user? Those who accept the false doctrines of the Church of Rome, have benumbed their spiritual senses, and cannot have a clear perception of God.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Here we are brought again to the seven headed beast, which is ridden or controlled by the women later identified as BABYLON THE GREAT. As mentioned in an earlier chapter, the seven heads representing the seven major kingdoms or beasts through which Satan has carried out his rebellion against God on this earth. The beasts being those kingdoms which existed in relation to God’s people on earth, and most often persecuted God’s people through a form of government which combined the power of a false religion with the state. The Church of Rome herself being that masterpiece of Satan’s work which maintained a continuity of his rebellion from the era of the old covenant before Christ’s appearance, into the era of the new covenant of grace established by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. While she claims to be the voice of Christ on this earth, she repudiates all that Christ established by way of her false doctrines and her utilization of the powers that be of this world, rather than the power of the Holy Spirit of God. 

Papal Rome is the connecting link between all of the beasts of the books of Daniel and the Revelation. The seven beasts, and the seven heads, and the seven mountains, which we will examine shortly. It was by absorbing the pagan rites and ceremonies of these ancient kingdoms, that of sun worship in particular, that she maintained Satan’s continuity of rebellion against God in this world. Just as God has preserved the truth in this world through His servants, the Son of God being the chief cornerstone of this truth, Satan has sought to maintain a continuity of rebellion through the false religions of this world. Just as Satan usurps the authority of God desiring himself to be God (Isa. 14:12-14), so his church of the new covenant era usurps the civil authority of the kings of the earth in order to establish itself in the place of God’s own of this world. In order to counterfeit, deceive, mislead, and destroy as many as possible along with himself. Let us continue our examination.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Verses four through six only establish more firmly that the woman riding this beast is none other than the Church of Rome. The attire of this woman is easily identified with the Church of Rome. Her cup is filled with the abominations and filthiness of her fornication, which we have already identified with her as well. Her title- MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, is easy enough to explain. She is the masterpiece of Satan’s mystery of iniquity (2Thess. 2:7), the mother of all apostate religious institutions which usurp the authority of the state for the furtherance of their goals. This they must do because they do not have the authority or power of the Holy Spirit of God. 

We have already shown that she is guilty of shedding the blood of countless saints.  Especially considering that it is the spirit to do so within her, which also motivated all of the beasts before her to do the same. That is, the spirit of Satan the father of lies, as opposed to the Spirit of God sent to His own from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Verse seven starts with an angel telling John that he will explain to him the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her. The angel tells John that the beast which he saw was, and is not, and yet is. He also says that all those whose names are not written in the book of life, will wonder after the beast. They will wonder at the fact in particular that it was, and is not, and yet is. All of this should seem very familiar to the reader, this beast has all the same traits as the first beast of Rev 13.

The first beast of Rev 13 also has seven heads and ten horns (Rev 13:1 & 17:7). As already discussed, it receives a deadly wound to the head and appears for a short while to be dead, but then is healed and comes back to life as it were. Thus it was, then was not, then was again (Rev 13:3 & 17:8). Both the above beast, and the first beast of Rev 13 are wondered at by those whose names are written in the book of life (Rev 13:8 & 17:8). The above verses of Rev 17 are addressing the revival and rise of the papal controlled beast once again on a global scale. This can be nothing else, for it is regarding the exact same beast as that of Rev 13. 

As pointed out in chapter seventeen of this book, it is the second beast of Rev. 13 that helps raise the papacy back into a position of dominance in this world. The U.S. is that second beast, and it is well on its way to re-establishing the papacy as a world power by speaking just like the dragon under the heavy influence of the Church of Rome. Our government is filled with Catholic politicians, who have recently been instructed by the Pope to establish Roman Catholic social doctrine and teaching through legislation within the countries in which they preside. See-  DOCTRINAL NOTE on some questions regarding The Participation of Catholics in Political Life.  (Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 24, 2002, the Solemnity of Christ the King.  X Joseph Card. RATZINGER  Prefect ,  X Tarcisio BERTONE, S.D.B. Archbishop Emeritus of Vercelli Secretary)

Verse eight says that the beast that was, and is not, shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.  The word pit, is many times associated with the grave in the bible. The fact that this beast that was, and is not, and yet is, ascends out of the bottomless pit, is an obvious reference to a kind of resurrection that will take place concerning it. This resurrection though, will only lead it and all who follow into perdition. More about this later.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

If as the writer has suggested, the seven heads of the dragon represented the seven kingdoms of this world through which Satan has carried out his rebellion against God, then what are the seven mountains of the above scripture? The seven heads, are seven mountains, and if the seven heads are kingdoms, then the seven mountains should be also. The question is, do the scriptures ever equate a mountain, with a kingdom? The answer is yes.

Isa 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD. 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.


Zech 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.


The kingdom of God is referred to as a great and holy mountain. Isaiah speaks of God’s holy mountain Jerusalem in the new heaven and earth. The prophecy of Daniel above speaks of the stone cut out without hands which was Christ, smiting the great image and becoming a great mountain filling the entire earth, this is the kingdom of God on earth after Christ’s return.  Zechariah speaks of Zion and Jerusalem as the holy mountain. The holy mountain therefore, is the kingdom of God. See also- Ps 48:1-2, Isa 2:2-3, Isa 11:9, Isa 30:29, Isa 56:7-8, Isa 57:13-15, Isa 65:25, Ezek 17:23, Ezek 20:40, Dan 9:16, Joel 2:1, Joel 3:17. 

The seven heads and the seven mountains are seven kingdoms. They are the seven kingdoms through which Satan has carried out his rebellion against God on this earth. Satan was himself kicked out of the kingdom of God, which is His holy mountain. He has therefore tried to counterfeit, or rival God’s kingdom with his own on this earth. Observe the following.

Ezek 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezek 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.


The seven mountains are Satan’s counterfeit or rival kingdoms in rebellion against God. His seven failed attempts to build kingdoms that will rival God’s everlasting kingdom. They have all failed thus far, and so will this last albeit global one.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The seven kings are also these same kingdoms, or beasts, or mountains if you will. The prophecy is given from the time of the sixth kingdom, for five have fallen, one is, and one is yet to come, which is of course the seventh. The book of Daniel very specifically addresses four of these kingdoms or beasts, touching upon the fifth also. Chapter two and seven of the book of Daniel cover the history of these four kingdoms with the different metals of chapter two, and the different beasts of chapter seven. Babylon is the head of gold of chapter two, and the lion of chapter seven. The Medes and Persians are the arms and chest of silver in chapter two, and the bear of chapter seven. The kingdom of Greece is the belly and thighs of brass in chapter two, and the leopard with four heads in chapter seven. The pagan Roman Empire is the legs of iron and the Papal Roman Empire the feet of iron and clay of chapter two. The ten toes of the feet representing the ten divisions of the empire due to the rise of the papacy from within. The indescribable beast of chapter seven being Pagan Rome as well, and the ten horns of that beast representing also the ten divisions created by the rise of the papacy from within as well.

While the papacy is clearly identified as an individual entity growing out of the ten horns of pagan Rome through the prophecy of the little horn of Daniel 7, it is not referred to as a beast until the book of Revelation chapter 13. That is, until the establishment of the new covenant by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The papacy being that beast which maintained the continuity of Satan’s rebellion in this earth, during the transition from the old to the new covenant. The transition from the pagan sun worshipping beast of the old covenant, to the papal sun worshiping beast of the new covenant. These things we have discussed already in earlier chapters.

The book of Revelation is concerned with the true and apostate churches of the new covenant era, and their effects upon this world. We started examining the book of Revelation in chapter twelve, where we see the conflict between the dragon and Christ here on earth. How the dragon would make war with those who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Rev. 12:17). Chapter 13 begins with a beast arising out of the sea, which we have identified as papal Rome. This is the fifth beast of biblical prophecy, and or head of the dragon which receives a mortal wound. This wound is healed however, with the help of the second beast of Rev. 13, which is the sixth beast of biblical prophecy. The fifth beast is the one who was and is not and yet is, because it receives a mortal or deadly wound, yet revives and is resurrected as it were with the help of the sixth beast. Being resurrected, it is a living beast of biblical prophecy once again, and is therefore the seventh beast of biblical prophecy. Thus it was, is not, and yet is.

The first beast of Rev. 13 is the fifth beast of biblical prophecy, and the second beast of Rev. 13 is the sixth beast of biblical prophecy. The biblical prophecies of the old covenant revealing the four beasts of the old covenant era, and giving some details of the fifth but not yet identifying it as a beast. The biblical prophecies of the new covenant reveal the existence of three more beast powers of the new covenant era. The fifth being papal Rome. The sixth being the United states which has two horns like a Lamb, but ends up speaking like the dragon. It is through the power of this sixth beast, that the fifth beast is brought back to life. Thus creating the seventh beast of biblical prophecy. The beasts, the heads of the dragon, and the mountains are all the same entities. They are the seven kingdoms through which Satan has, and will continue to carry out his rebellion against God in this world, until Christ returns and sets up His eternal and all-encompassing kingdom.

It is to be noted, that the first beast of Rev 13 is said to have seven heads and ten horns, just like the great red dragon of Rev 12, who is the devil. Verse 4 of Rev 13 tells us that the dragon is the one who gives the first beast of Rev 13 its power. The second beast of Rev 13 however, is said to have two horns like a Lamb, with no mention of the dragon giving it its power. Yet it ends up speaking like a dragon. This second beast, the United States, did not derive its power from the dragon but rather by being Christ like at first, thus the two horns like a lamb. So accordingly history testifies that this nation was formed under the guiding principles of the Protestant Reformation and predominantly Protestants themselves. Who themselves submitted to the Holy scriptures as their rule and guide. Thus it cannot be said that the dragon gave this beast its power or authority. Yet it is through this beast’s support of the first beast, that it ends up speaking as a dragon.

The United States derived its power and influence by the guiding hand of biblical new covenant principles of responsible freedom and morality. The guiding influence of these principles however, has been diminishing under the ever increasing influence and guidance of the papacy and her allies within the same. Thus will we and are we ever increasingly speaking as a dragon. We will continue our examination of Rev 17 in the next chapter.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
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23 THE BEAST THAT WAS AND IS NOT BEING AN EIGTH BUT ONE OF THE SEVEN

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

As though it were not already complicated enough, this seventh beast is now also referred to as an eighth, which is one of the seven. How can it be one of the seven, and an eighth also? How could it be a beast or kingdom in and of itself, and also be of the seven other beasts or kingdoms of biblical prophecy? It would have to be very unique indeed to fulfill such specifications. Is there any kingdom that can meet them? Yes, there is.

The Vatican. The Vatican occupies a unique status among the religions and nations of our world. She is both. Like no other nation or religion on earth. Observe the following from the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

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Vatican City, in full State of the Vatican City, Italian Stato della Città del Vaticano ,  ecclesiastical state, seat of the Roman Catholic church, and an enclave in Rome, situated on the west bank of the Tiber River. Vatican City is the world’s smallest fully independent nation-state. Its medieval and Renaissance walls form its boundaries except on the southeast at St. Peter’s Square (Piazza San Pietro). Of the six entrances, only three—the piazza, the Arco delle Campane (Arch of the Bells) in the facade of St. Peter’s Basilica, and the entrance to the Vatican Museums and Galleries in the north wall—are open to the public. The most imposing building is St. Peter’s Basilica, built during the 4th century and rebuilt during the 16th century. Erected over the tomb of St. Peter the Apostle, it is the second largest religious building (after Yamoussoukro Basilica) in Christendom.

The Vatican palace is the residence of the pope within the city walls. The Holy See is the name given to the government of the Roman Catholic church, which is led by the pope as the bishop of Rome. As such, the Holy See’s authority extends over Catholics throughout the world. Since 1929 it has resided in Vatican City, which was established as an independent state to enable the pope to exercise his universal authority.

Vatican City has its own telephone system, post office, gardens, astronomical observatory, radio station, banking system, and pharmacy, as well as a contingent of Swiss Guards responsible for the personal safety of the pope since 1506. Almost all supplies—including food, water, electricity, and gas—must be imported. There is no income tax and no restriction on the import or export of funds. As the Holy See, it derives its income from the voluntary contributions of more than one billion Roman Catholics worldwide, as well as interest on investments and the sale of stamps, coins, and publications. Banking operations and expenditures have been reported publicly since the early 1980s.

During the period from the 4th century to 1870, the Vatican gained control of territory around Rome and served as capital of the Papal States. In 1929 Vatican City’s independent sovereignty was recognized by the Fascist Italian government in the Lateran Treaty. Sovereignty is exercised by the pope upon his election as the head of the Roman Catholic church. He has absolute executive, legislative, and judicial powers within the city. In 1984 a major reshuffle of offices in the Roman Curia resulted in the delegation of the routine administration of Vatican City to a pontifically appointed commission of five cardinals headed by the Secretariat of State. The inhabitants of Vatican City, the majority of whom are priests and nuns, also include several hundred laypersons engaged in secretarial, domestic, trade, and service occupations.

Special extraterritorial privileges are extended to more than 10 other buildings in Rome and to Castel Gandolfo, the pope’s summer residence in the Alban Hills. In addition, Vatican City maintains embassies in numerous foreign nations.”

The Vatican has been a recognized nation-state since 1929. Since then it has been more than just another religion of this world, but a nation, country, or kingdom of the same. This is how it can be an eighth while being of the seven at the same time. As already pointed out, the Church of Rome was an intricate part of the first beast of Rev 13, and the second beast of the same which helps reestablish or resurrect the first beast again on a global scale. She was already an intricate part of the seven, through her religious members influencing the same, when she was established in this world as an eighth in 1929. Therefore she is an eighth and at the same time is of the seven.

This special status among the nations of this earth has increased her political influence and effect upon the same. She entertains ambassadors from 176 nations and is caught up on the politics of this entire world. The seventh and final global beast of this world will be a form of global government upon whose back she sits controlling and manipulating the same. Just as she rode the first beast of Rev 13, and ever increasingly does ride the second beast of the same, our nation. Through us she will gain her ultimate goal, world domination.

There is another aspect and significance though, of this eighth beast, which is of the seven. The number eight carries some symbolic significance also, according to many, including the Church of Rome herself. Observe the following from the book THE WOMAN AND THE BEAST IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, by Louis F. Were.

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“The beast of Rev. 12, 13 and 17 has only seven heads, and to look for an actual eighth head betrays a failure to grasp the essential feature of the remarkable prophecy of Rev. 17.  There is not to be an eighth head; the seventh head is numbered eighth because of its symbolic meaning....................

Thus by following the principle that Rev. 17 particularly mentions the things of Babylon as they relate to Jesus, we now see that the number eight used in relation to the coming of the beast out of its state of death in a likeness to the resurrection of Jesus,.............................................

As with the number 6, which we find significantly employed throughout many places of Holy Writ, so the number eight is also employed significantly in the scriptures as the symbol of the Lord's resurrection and triumph over His enemies. This fact is well-known to those who have given consideration to the numeric system, which is clearly revealed in the Bible. By knowing that the number eight is the Bible symbol of the Lord's resurrection and triumph over His enemies, we can grasp the meaning of Rev. 17:11, which reads: "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is one of the seven, and goes into perdition." This beast that received a "death stroke" and whose deadly wound is to be healed and all the world wonder after it, according to Rev. 13, is described in Rev. 17 as having a resurrection: thus imitating the death and resurrection of Jesus. As Jesus triumphed over His enemies and rose in glorious power to use that power to save His people, so this beast will emerge from its place of death to a position of even greater power, which it will seek to employ for the destruction of the people of God.” (Chapter 12, page 113&114)

Without a doubt, the first beast of Rev 13 which received a deadly wound to its head, is brought back to life with the help of the second beast of the book of Revelation. For the beast was, is not, and yet is. If this is not an allusion to a resurrection, what is? If in fact, the number eight in some way represents the resurrection or new beginnings, then the above written by Louis Were is certainly tenable. Observe the following from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (emphasis mine) -

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“II. The Lord's Day

This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.

The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week.” Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath, it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead. Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:”

The Church of Rome itself connects the number eight with the resurrection. Not only with the resurrection, but with Sunday sacredness itself. This is very significant since the establishment of Sunday sacredness by law is what will bring about the full reestablishment or resurrection of the first beast of Rev 13. It was the establishment of this Roman Catholic institution, existing as a result of the amalgamation of pagan sun worship and apostate “Christianity”, which first gave the Papacy the power of the state. Which combination of power, that is of church and state combined, developed into the first beast of Rev 13. Thus a national reestablishment of the Sunday law, would be nothing less than a resurrection of this very same beast power. The Church of Rome then fulfills the details of the scripture under examination both literally and spiritually, like no other nation or religion can.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

This event is yet future. The seventh beast, or head, or mountain has not yet fully developed, though it is well on its way. What ever these ten horns turn out to represent, they will end up giving their power to the beast for an apparently short time, as the next verse points out.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

They will all agree to give their power and strength to the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

This confederation will make open warfare with the Lord Jesus Christ through attacking his people on this earth. This would be those who “ keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” (Rev. 12:17). They are the ones with whom the dragon is at war.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

This includes all the peoples of this earth, whose names are not written in the book of life (Rev. 17:8). For this is Satan’s final worldwide rebellion against the Lamb of God. It is a time in which every decision shall be made for or against the Lamb. Then the end shall come with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of God (1Th.4:16). 

Joel 3 14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


This is a drastic change in the attitude of these ten horns. A few verses earlier they were said to all have one mind, which was to give their power and strength over to the beast. The whore controls the beast, and these ten horns are said to hate her, and basically destroy her. This must be at a point in time when these ten horns realize that they were deceived by the whore, into giving their power unto the beast which she controlled. Though they join her in making war with the Lamb, when they realize that the lamb will overcome them they will turn on her, for as the next verse points out, “God hath put it in their hearts to fulfill his will”.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


Thus the ten horns will give their power and strength unto the beast, until they realize to late I might add, that they have made the wrong choice. After which, they will turn on the whore, and destroy her. This will not save them though, because all of this time God’s faithful will have been pointing out the truth of who the beast and the whore really are, but they chose not to listen. 

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

This is in reference of course to the Vatican. That city which is a nation-state who claims authority above all others. We shall now proceed to the next chapter of Revelation.
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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #54 on: Sat Sep 06, 2014 - 12:22:50 »
24-REV. 18 THE WARNING AGAINST AND JUDGEMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT


Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Here we have another angel repeating and intensifying the message of the second angel of Rev 14. The message of this angel is given after the ten horns have already given their power and strength over to the beast, for verse three says that all nations have already drunk the wine of the wrath of her fornication. It is an urgent call for all of God’s people to come out of, and completely separate themselves from the Church of Rome. This is because the judgments of God are about to be poured out upon her. These judgments will come in the form of the plagues which we have already discussed concerning chapter 16 of the book of Revelation.

This message goes forth with great power, for the angel cries mightily with a strong voice, and the message is given by an angel who is said to have great power, and whose glory lightens the entire earth. This is no doubt the last warning message to a dying world. Judgment is imminent, and those who will not separate themselves from the great whore will share her fate.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, 18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

The above verses reveal the close relationship between BABYLON THE GREAT, and the kings and rich of the earth. She is very involved in the government, industry, wealth, and pleasures of this world. She is a friend of this world, and therefore the enemy of God (James 4:4). Though claiming to be the church of Christ, she fitly represents all that will be judged and destroyed by God when He returns. She is the religion of this world, and unites all of this world in rebellion against God under the leadership of Satan himself. It is Satan’s last stand, and all will make their decision to stand with him in defiance of God under the leadership of BABYLON THE GREAT, or to trust in the LAMB of GOD JESUS CHRIST, and follow Him.

It is interesting to note, that three times in the above verses, it is said that Babylon’s judgment took place in one hour. This is the exact amount of time that the ten horns receive power with her (Rev. 17:12). It may be that the judgments of God referred to in Rev. 16, begin when the ten horns of Rev. 17 give their power and strength over to the beast. How do the kings of this earth give their power over to the beast? They do so by implementing laws that favor the desires of the beast, who is controlled by the whore BABYLON THE GREAT. What law do you suppose would give the power of the state unto the beast, and therefore the whore which controls it? The answer of course is Sunday laws. Laws that would enforce the sacredness of Sunday upon all of humanity. The day which the Church of Rome declares she has sanctified through the power which God has given her.

These things we have already discussed at length in previous chapters. Sunday laws give the Church of Rome the power of the state. When she has accomplished this goal, she will have succeeded in deceiving all those whose names are not written in the book of life, into setting the abomination of desolation in the place of the holy. The day of the Sun, which Lucifer himself has chosen, in the place of the holy Sabbath which Christ Himself blessed and sanctified at creation. The day which He blessed and sanctified again when speaking the Ten Commandments on the mount, and again when writing them with His own finger on the tables of stone. 

The day is holy, God made it so. When all the world has rejected the day God has chosen to be worshipped by all His creation, in favor of the day which Lucifer has chosen for the worship of himself, then judgment will come swiftly. For Sunday sacredness is the abomination which causes desolation. The choice will be simplified for all before Christ returns. God commands all of creation to come together and worship Him on the seventh day. Lucifer, or Satan commands all to worship him on the first day. Choose you this day, whom you will serve. “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Rom 6:16)

Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Contrary to the reaction of the kings and merchants of this earth, verse twenty points out the reaction of heaven and apostles and prophets, and no doubt all the saints to the judgment of God upon her. That reaction of course, is rejoicing, for they have all been persecuted by the same.

After again pronouncing judgment upon her, and its effects, she is then accused of the blood of the prophets, the saints, and of all that have been slain in the earth. This is because she acted under the guidance of the one who motivated all such atrocities, the father of lies.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #55 on: Sat Sep 06, 2014 - 16:50:20 »
25-REV.19




Rev 19: 1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

The scene in Rev 19 brings us into heaven after the judgment of the great whore. God is praised for His salvation, glory, honor, and power. His judgments are declared to be righteous and true. God is the victor, and He now reigns over all of His willing and obedient servants.  They have witnessed His character in and through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ. They have seen the love of God, in contrast to the lies and self-exalting spirit of Satan, and have chosen to follow the Lamb of God wherever He goes (Rev. 14:4). They loved not their lives more than the WORD OF GOD, and gladly surrendered them rather than deny the truth (Rev. 12:11).

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

The marriage of the Lamb has come. As Christ left His Father and all in heaven to become one with humanity, resulting in the sacrifice of Himself, so the saved have left all of this world to become one with Christ, resulting in the sacrifice of themselves. Now they will ever be with their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who has made them literal flesh and blood sons and daughters of the living God. They have received the robe of Christ‘s righteousness (Matt. 22:1-14, Eph. 5:20-31, Rom. 12:1&2).

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

John was told by the angel not to worship him, but to - “worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” What was the life of Christ, but a revelation of the character of God? A demonstration of the infinite love of God for humanity. What is prophecy, but the revelation of God’s intentions for His people? The demonstration of how God has, and will deal with the rebellion of sin. After which, all creation, even the lost, will bow the knee and confess the justice and mercy of God in and through His Son Jesus Christ (Php. 2:5-11).

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

What is the above in relation to, since it follows a description of the victory already gained by God’s own who are with Him in heaven? It cannot be the second coming, for that has already transpired and the saved are with God in heaven rejoicing in His victory over the great whore which corrupted the earth. The explanation is found in the next chapter of the book of Revelation which we will examine shortly. The above adds new emphasis to the words of the book of Hebrew chap. 4 verses 12 and 13.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Just as the word of God was living and active at creation, “For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast (Ps 33:9), so also will the word of God will be living and active in executing His judgment. Let us now move on to the next chapters and the subject of the thousand years.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
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26-Rev. 20&21 The thousand years and the new Jerusalem


Rev 20: 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


We will now examine the thousand year period of Rev. 20. A correct understanding of this time period is very important. Verses one through three, are referring of course to the leader of the lost, Satan himself. During this thousand year period, Satan is bound in the bottomless pit. We will discuss just what the bottomless pit is after we finish with the thousand year period. Not only is Satan bound during this thousand years, but he is not able to deceive the nations anymore during this same time. The scriptures themselves will tell us why this is so.

Verse four, switches the topic to that of the saved during this same thousand years. It states that the judgment was given unto them. The saints then, are involved in the work of judgment during this thousand year period. Paul makes reference to this event in 1 Corinthians.

I Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
 
I Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?


Of course this judgment cannot be about who will, or will not have eternal life. This question has already been answered, since the saved are in heaven with Christ judging the world. This is why the saints are caught up in the air to meet Christ when He returns, and will ever be with Him (1Th 4:14-18). During this thousand years, the saints are in heaven with Christ who has taken them there. Later, the wicked will surround the beloved city, or New Jerusalem, apparently after it descends from heaven down to earth (Rev. 21:1-5), at the end of the thousand years.

The judgment that the saints are involved in is apparently for the purpose of understanding why or why not, certain people are or are not in heaven with the saved. No doubt God will answer all the questions of the saints during these thousand years. Surely there will be questions from the saints regarding who is, and who is not there. In the end though, every knee will bow and confess that Christ is the righteous judge of all (Rom. 14:10&11).

Verse five points out that the rest of the dead, that is those who were not saved, did not live again until the thousand years were finished. Then it says that this is the first resurrection.  That is not to say that the rest of the dead not living again for a thousand years is the first resurrection, for this would make no sense at all. Rather, that those who were involved in judging the world during this thousand years were part of the first resurrection, that is, the resurrection of the saved.

Verse six says that those who are saved and take part in the first resurrection are blessed and holy. It also points out that the second death will have no power over them. For them, death has been swallowed up in victory, in and through their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. They shall be priests of God and reign with Him during this thousand year period.

Verses seven through fifteen point out what will happen to the wicked at the end of this thousand year period. This begins with Satan being let loose again to deceive the nations. In order for this to take place, the lost who have been dead during this thousand year period (verse 5), must be resurrected. Thus having died once already at Christ’s second coming (Luke 17:28-30, 2 Th. 2:8, Rev. 6:14-17), they will die again the second death, when they come up on the beloved city with their leader Satan. That both the saved and the wicked will be resurrected, was pointed out by Christ Himself when here on earth.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The resurrection of life is at the beginning of the thousand years. The resurrection of damnation is at the end of the thousand years.

The wicked surround the beloved city, and fire comes down from God and devours them (verse 9). This is the lake of fire, where the Devil, the Beast, and the False prophet are. It is where all those whose names are not written in the book of life will end up, and die the second death (verses 13-15). The book of life, from which all these people were judged, must be the book that the saints were examining during this thousand year period. This would be the judgment that they were involved in (verses 11&12).

Now to the definition of the bottomless pit into which Satan was cast. The definition of which, will reveal that the lost are dead during this thousand year period. Let us look at some scriptures to see what a bottomless pit might represent.

Job 17:13 If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness. 14 I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister. 15 And where is now my hope? as for my hope, who shall see it? 16 They shall go down to the bars ofthe pit, when our rest together is in the dust.

Psalm 30:3 O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

Proverbs 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause: 12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:

Isaiah 38:17 Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back. 18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

Jeremiah 41:7 And it was so, when they came into the midst of the city, that Ishmael the son of Nethaniah slew them, and cast them into the midst of the pit, he, and the men that were with him.

9 Now the pit wherein Ishmael had cast all the dead bodies of the men, whom he had slain because of Gedaliah, was it which Asa the king had made for fear of Baasha king of Israel: and Ishmael the son of Nethaniah filled it with them that were slain.



In the bible, a pit is very often associated with the grave, or a place to put the dead. A bottomless pit then, would undoubtedly represent an enormous grave, filled with countless people. If the bible tells us that all the lost will be slain when Christ returns the second time, which it does, then this world would be one massive grave. The dead bodies of countless millions strewn all over it. This is in fact where Satan is bound for this thousand years, while the saved are in heaven going over the book of life, he is here with nothing but the dead.  Thus Satan can no longer deceive the nations during this thousand years, for there are no nations or peoples to deceive. Jeremiah speaks of the world in this condition.

Jer 25:30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. 31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. 32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. 33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

Jer 4: 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.


Isaiah not only spoke of this condition of the earth, but prophesied of the very things we are discussing.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Though all the kings and people will be slain, yet Satan will not join them in burial. Though he be in the pit with them, the bottomless pit, yet he will not be given the rest of the sleep of the dead. He will live for a thousand years alone with no one to deceive, and nothing to do but ponder the effects of the works of his own hands. Ever looking forward to the judgment, and his destruction at the end of the thousand years.

Isaiah 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. 23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Here again, Isaiah is referring to the destruction of the earth, and the death of the wicked. When the wicked are gathered together in the pit, that is dead, and shut up in death as in prison (Job3:11-18, Isa. 53:8), then they will be visited after many days. That many days is the thousand years that we are discussing, and it will not be well for them when they are visited.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

I want to be in that city, don’t you?

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #57 on: Fri Sep 12, 2014 - 09:46:47 »
27- Rev. 22 The end, or the beginning if you will.


Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. 6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

This is the second time that John is admonished not to worship an angel, but to worship God.  Who will we worship, this is the entire issue of the book of Revelation. Before Christ returns, all must be decided upon this issue. The writer is of the conviction that it is the duty of those who claim to worship God in and through His Son Jesus Christ, to put this issue to the world. Choose you this day whom you will serve. God’s people are not to wait for the beast to force his worship on the world before they will open their mouths concerning the same. By faith, they are to proclaim the message before it occurs, that biblical prophecy mighty have its proper effect.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? 7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. 8 The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?

As stated in the beginning of this book, it is a message from God that will divide this world in two, not the pressures of the beast controlled by Babylon the great. God is in control. He will allow nothing to come upon His people that he has not revealed to His servants the prophets.  God has purchased each and every one with His own blood. It is the duty of all those who claim to be God’s people, to give this world its final message. The great red dragon, the beasts, and Babylon the great have and will do nothing that God has not allowed for, and predicted. God has asked no one. His prophecies will be fulfilled because He has spoken them, and the WORD OF GOD is living and active. It accomplishes the very thing it states, because it has proceeded out of the mouth of God who cannot lie. 

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Here again is the simplicity of the message. Those who worship God, obey what He commands. Those who keep the commandments of God, have acknowledged the authority of God. They worship Him in Spirit and truth. Who can obey the commandments of God but one who has the Holy Spirit of God. Who can know the truth but one who has the Holy Spirit of God. 

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


This narrows the final message of God to the world down to obeying only one of the commandments of God. For it is only the fourth commandment that most professed Christians ignore or deny. You will not find any Christians admonishing anyone to ignore or disobey any of the other Ten Commandments. It is only the fourth that is contested by the authority of Babylon the great that is in question. Thus the final message, who do you serve, and whom will you obey? Is it God, or Babylon? Christ, or Satan?


Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #58 on: Fri Sep 12, 2014 - 09:51:30 »

CLOSING COMMENTS



It was not the intention of the writer to condemn anyone by this book, but only to point out the truths of God’s word. Painfully aware of my own sins and short comings, I do not have the right to condemn anyone. Apart from this also, it is not the right of any true Christian to condemn those in this world, since we are all in desperate need of a Savior. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself did not come into the world to condemn us, but to save us. God Himself does not condemn us, therefore, how can anyone or anything else do so? They cannot. We alone are capable of condemning ourselves by our own choice. 

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


Although the Lord Jesus Christ did not come into this world to condemn it, His life was a constant rebuke to those who would not accept the truth. He was the living truth, and His life therefore revealed the hypocrisy and deceit of those who would not accept His authority. The outcome of this antagonism was the persecution, beating, torturing, and crucifixion of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The purpose of which, was to reveal to all creation the true motivation behind the father of lies, and all those who would follow his leading. 

No individual can escape the conflict between the truth, and the lie, that is within each of us.  It involves the influence of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the “ way, the truth, and the life”, and the influence of Satan himself, who is the father of lies. Both are striving for our allegiance.  We cannot serve both. We must choose one or the other, and this becomes all the more urgent as the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ approaches.

This is why, in the providence of God, and by the prophetic authority of God, all the world will be brought to the point of decision before the second coming. The power of persuasion by conviction of the truth under the influence of the Holy Spirit of God will increase. So to will the power of persuasion by the father of lies increase, by way of coercion and force. Might over right. This is the method of the father of lies. Since he has not the power of truth, he must resort to force. Thus God will allow it, for the purpose of bringing all to the point of decision before He returns to judge the motives of all.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD. The bible is a revelation of the same. It will be the standard by which all will be judged. It is not possible for anyone to condemn another. The Lord Jesus Christ died for every single soul that has ever, and will ever exist (2 Cor. 5:14-21).  What will we do with this truth? The truth is here. The word of God is present in written form for all to see. What will we do with it? Will we submit to the authority of God, or not? The choice is ours, and ours alone. No one can make it for us, or force us either way.


Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


May the Holy Spirit of God be poured out upon all flesh, to open our eyes to the love and trust worthy authority of our God and Savior through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ. 

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #59 on: Sat Oct 12, 2019 - 19:50:04 »
23 THE BEAST THAT WAS AND IS NOT BEING AN EIGTH BUT ONE OF THE SEVEN

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

As though it were not already complicated enough, this seventh beast is now also referred to as an eighth, which is one of the seven. How can it be one of the seven, and an eighth also? How could it be a beast or kingdom in and of itself, and also be of the seven other beasts or kingdoms of biblical prophecy? It would have to be very unique indeed to fulfill such specifications. Is there any kingdom that can meet them? Yes, there is.

The Vatican. The Vatican occupies a unique status among the religions and nations of our world. She is both. Like no other nation or religion on earth. Observe the following from the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

The Vatican has been a recognized nation-state since 1929. Since then it has been more than just another religion of this world, but a nation, country, or kingdom of the same. This is how it can be an eighth while being of the seven at the same time. As already pointed out, the Church of Rome was an intricate part of the first beast of Rev 13, and the second beast of the same which helps reestablish or resurrect the first beast again on a global scale. She was already an intricate part of the seven, through her religious members influencing the same, when she was established in this world as an eighth in 1929. Therefore she is an eighth and at the same time is of the seven.

This special status among the nations of this earth has increased her political influence and effect upon the same. She entertains ambassadors from 176 nations and is caught up on the politics of this entire world. The seventh and final global beast of this world will be a form of global government upon whose back she sits controlling and manipulating the same. Just as she rode the first beast of Rev 13, and ever increasingly does ride the second beast of the same, our nation. Through us she will gain her ultimate goal, world domination.

There is another aspect and significance though, of this eighth beast, which is of the seven. The number eight carries some symbolic significance also, according to many, including the Church of Rome herself. Observe the following from the book THE WOMAN AND THE BEAST IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, by Louis F. Were.

Without a doubt, the first beast of Rev 13 which received a deadly wound to its head, is brought back to life with the help of the second beast of the book of Revelation. For the beast was, is not, and yet is. If this is not an allusion to a resurrection, what is? If in fact, the number eight in some way represents the resurrection or new beginnings, then the above written by Louis Were is certainly tenable. Observe the following from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (emphasis mine) -

The Church of Rome itself connects the number eight with the resurrection. Not only with the resurrection, but with Sunday sacredness itself. This is very significant since the establishment of Sunday sacredness by law is what will bring about the full reestablishment or resurrection of the first beast of Rev 13. It was the establishment of this Roman Catholic institution, existing as a result of the amalgamation of pagan sun worship and apostate “Christianity”, which first gave the Papacy the power of the state. Which combination of power, that is of church and state combined, developed into the first beast of Rev 13. Thus a national reestablishment of the Sunday law, would be nothing less than a resurrection of this very same beast power. The Church of Rome then fulfills the details of the scripture under examination both literally and spiritually, like no other nation or religion can.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

This event is yet future. The seventh beast, or head, or mountain has not yet fully developed, though it is well on its way. What ever these ten horns turn out to represent, they will end up giving their power to the beast for an apparently short time, as the next verse points out.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

They will all agree to give their power and strength to the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

This confederation will make open warfare with the Lord Jesus Christ through attacking his people on this earth. This would be those who “ keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” (Rev. 12:17). They are the ones with whom the dragon is at war.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

This includes all the peoples of this earth, whose names are not written in the book of life (Rev. 17:8). For this is Satan’s final worldwide rebellion against the Lamb of God. It is a time in which every decision shall be made for or against the Lamb. Then the end shall come with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of God (1Th.4:16). 

Joel 3 14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


This is a drastic change in the attitude of these ten horns. A few verses earlier they were said to all have one mind, which was to give their power and strength over to the beast. The whore controls the beast, and these ten horns are said to hate her, and basically destroy her. This must be at a point in time when these ten horns realize that they were deceived by the whore, into giving their power unto the beast which she controlled. Though they join her in making war with the Lamb, when they realize that the lamb will overcome them they will turn on her, for as the next verse points out, “God hath put it in their hearts to fulfill his will”.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


Thus the ten horns will give their power and strength unto the beast, until they realize to late I might add, that they have made the wrong choice. After which, they will turn on the whore, and destroy her. This will not save them though, because all of this time God’s faithful will have been pointing out the truth of who the beast and the whore really are, but they chose not to listen. 

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

This is in reference of course to the Vatican. That city which is a nation-state who claims authority above all others. We shall now proceed to the next chapter of Revelation.
This is very good, thanks Amo.

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Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and the Abomination of Desolation
« Reply #60 on: Sun Oct 13, 2019 - 10:18:43 »
You're welcome.