Sabbath

[djconklin]

The SDA people really twist ALL historic scholars badly and depend primarily on quotes of their OWN theologians who are like all theologians who LIFT better than a pickpocket.

1) "The SDA people"--all in one lump, eh?  We're all alike?  None of us actually look at the historical works?  There was one sabbatarian web site that had a few quotes from sources that I had managed to get from the library and checked on and found that the quotes either didn't exist or had been badly quoted.  So, I told them about that.  Whether they took it down or not I didn't check.  And I don't know which source the poster used.  But I checked on some quotes from the post and found that I can get the sources from the library.  They'll be here in two weeks.

2) Where was the "twist" in the quotes from Sozomen and Socrates?

2) "All"? Why do the critics need to lie so badly?  Is their cause really that weak?

3) Socrates and Sozomen were SDA's? 1300 years ahead of time?  Maybe it was time-travel.  Got proof that all of the quotes were from SDA scholars?

However, half a truth can often be a whole lie as can be seen from all of the quoted documents.

Especially when one manipulates and thus distorts the text.

(1) He who had commanded to keep the Sabbath, by resting thereon for the sake of meditating on the laws, ONLY

Yep, their cause is that weak.  They have to insert unwarranted words into the text.

But there is one only Sabbath to be observed by you in the whole year, which is that of our Lord's burial, on which men ought to keep a fast, but not a festival.
       SABBATH MEANS REST AND NOT A WORSHIP SERVICE.

There we go with the inserting words again.  Worst of all, the added words contradict Scripture (Lev. 23:30! And worse, missed the previous sentence: "But keep the Sabbath, and the Lord's day festival; because the former is the memorial of the creation, and the latter of the resurrection."

Before that the paragraph reads: "XXIII. But let not your fasts be with the hypocrites; (15) for they fast on the second and fifth days of the week. But do you either fast the entire five days, or on the fourth day of the week, and on the day of the Preparation, because on the fourth day the condemnation went out against the Lord, Judas then promising to betray Him for money; and you must fast on the day of the Preparation, because on that day the Lord suffered the death of the cross under Pontius Pilate."

Tell me, do you fast like you are required to by the traditions of men?  If not, why not?  If you aren't willing to follow men all the way, how about following God instead?

Next, I will show you that the SDA documents lie about Justin Martyr and all of the recognized scholars.

Please do the quote where the Sunday keepers inserted the word "day" into the text.

[winsome]

They met on Saturday nite. Not Sunday morning.

Sauruday night is no longer the Sabbath since it runs from Sunset on the Friday evening to Sunset on the Saturday evening.

[winsome]

     "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;..therefore the Christians for
     a long time together, did keep their conventions on the Sabbath, in which some portion
     of the Law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." The
     Whole Works of Jeremey Taylor, Vol. IX, p416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol.XII, p.416)

 
     "The seventh-day Sabbath was.. solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive
     Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in a manner quite abolish the observation of
     it." Dissertation on the Lord's Day, pp.33,34,44.

 

The Council of Laodicea was a regional council called to address particular local issues, not a general council applicable to the whole church.

Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Laodicea did not change the Sabbath to Sunday but confirmed what was  the practice of the church to honour Sunday as the Lord’s day. It condemned judaizers who wanted to rest on the Saturday, just as the Council of Jerusalem had condemned judaisers in Acts 15.

[djconklin]

They met on Saturday nite. Not Sunday morning.

Sauruday night is no longer the Sabbath since it runs from Sunset on the Friday evening to Sunset on the Saturday evening.

Correct.  Luke was using the Jewish method of determining which day it was.  So, they were meeting on Saturday nite because Paul was going to be traveling Sunday morning.

[djconklin]

Laodicea did not change the Sabbath to Sunday but confirmed what was  the practice of the church to honour Sunday as the Lord’s day.

Two 5th century historians (with no theological axe to grind) point out that in their day most Christians were keeping the Sabbath.  See the quotes I gave yesterday at 1:03.  We do not know when they ceased to do so.  It could be much later than that.  In Ireland and Ethiopia it was certainly much later than that.

That the church had wandered away from its apostolic roots is not in question.  It was a slow and tortoreous course.  Another example would be baptism by immersion. If you get to go to Pisa Italy to see the Leaning Tower, go inside and look at the floor.  It covers where the baptismal pool used to be. Then (another example) hundreds of years later Martin Luther recoups the concept that we are saved by faith, not by works.

[winsome]

They met on Saturday nite. Not Sunday morning.

Sauruday night is no longer the Sabbath since it runs from Sunset on the Friday evening to Sunset on the Saturday evening.

Correct.  Luke was using the Jewish method of determining which day it was.  So, they were meeting on Saturday nite because Paul was going to be traveling Sunday morning.

So they were not meeting on the Sabbath.

[djconklin]

So they were not meeting on the Sabbath.

Presumably, they had met earlier for worship.  This was a Saturday nite meeting because Paul was going to be leaving the next day (He wouldn't travel on the Sabbath.)  This was NOT a Sunday morning worship to celebrate the resurrection.  I don't know of anyone who has ever argued that this meeting took place on the Sabbath.

[winsome]

So they were not meeting on the Sabbath.

Presumably, they had met earlier for worship.  This was a Saturday nite meeting because Paul was going to be leaving the next day (He wouldn't travel on the Sabbath.)  This was NOT a Sunday morning worship to celebrate the resurrection.  I don't know of anyone who has ever argued that this meeting took place on the Sabbath.

Why do you presume they met earlier? They were gathered "to break bread" - the most solemn celebration.

[Bocephus]

Happy Lord's Day!

[winsome]

Happy Lord's Day!

Indeed - let's celebrate the risen Christ.

[Amo]

Why do you presume they met earlier? They were gathered "to break bread" - the most solemn celebration.

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Breaking bread does not always mean celebrating the Lord's supper.  It can mean just eating together.  In any case, if it does mean celebrating the Lord's supper, then obviously
Sunday was no special day to do this, but it was practiced every day.  Thus it holds no significance in relation to the day of the sun.

[djconklin]

They were gathered "to break bread" - the most solemn celebration.

To "break bread" can also signify a meal.  It is highly unlikely that they would have celebrated communion twice (verses 7 & 11) in less than 24 hours.

[djconklin]

Happy Lord's Day!

Indeed - let's celebrate the risen Christ.

Baptism by immersion is the biblical symbol for that:

Romans 6:4  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Colossians 2:12  Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Always go by the Bible, not the traditions of man.

[blituri]

Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Laodicea did not change the Sabbath to Sunday but confirmed what was  the practice of the church to honour Sunday as the Lord’s day. It condemned judaizers who wanted to rest on the Saturday, just as the Council of Jerusalem had condemned judaisers in Acts 15.

What you should grasp is that the early church met on the Lord's Day for reading and fthe Lord's Supper as the fundamentals of the Christian assembly.

Sunday was a day of WORK but the worshipers of Mithra were mostly military and got the SEVENTH day of the week off: Saturday is NOT related to the Jewish SABBATH or REST day which was not for "worship."

Constantine gave the Christians an extra day off on the FIRST DAY: otherwise they would assembly before or after work.

The Sabbath was a day of rest for the SUN WORSHIPERS and this was a day of eat, drink and be merry. When the Lord's Day ceased to be a WORK day the Christians now had TWO days to rest.  They continued to assemble as CHURCH on the Lord's Day and commanded people to work as they had always worked on both the sevent and first day.  That means that the church continued a 6 DAY WORK WEEK and did NOT change its assembly day..

Canon XXIX.

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians.  But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Notes.

Ancient Epitome of Canon XXIX.

A Christian shall not stop work on the Sabbath, but on the Lord’s Day.

Balsamon.

Here the Fathers order that no one of the faithful shall stop work on the Sabbath as do the Jews, but that they should honour the Lord’s Day, on account of the Lord’s resurrection, and that on that day they should abstain from manual labour and go to church.  But thus abstaining from work on Sunday they do not lay down as a necessity, but they add, “if they can.”  For if through need or any other necessity any one worked on the Lord’s day this was not reckoned against him.

This also confirms that the Sabbath was not the LORD'S DAY proving that the Christians did not change the day they met in assembly.

[djconklin]

Acts 20:29-30  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.