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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2011, 12:37:15 PM »
Romans 14:5

One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
That pretty much speaks for itself doesn't it

I'd say!

Because God does not save us by a day of the week

He saved us by His Mighty Power and Jesus sinless Sacrifice

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2011, 01:47:06 PM »
According to my understanding of scripture..meeting on the 7th day is about as important as meeting on the Temple Mount

If we meet on Saturday as an act of obedience, unto holiness and righteousness we had better not forget to bring our lambs, goats and bulls

Seriously

At least that's what I tell my Muslim and Jewish friends ::lookaround::

You make light of things which will come back to haunt you, for you are more correct than you know, (for now). You will certainly have your rams, lambs, goats, bullocks, and unicorns with you in that great and terrible day. The question for you is whether you will allow them to be sacrificed, or will you love them too much to forfeit them and live?

Revelation 6:12-14
12.  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13.  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14.  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


You see these "stars" fall INTO the earth. And if only you had listened up til now you might have learned that YOU are the earth!  ::crackup::

Isaiah 34:1-8
1.  Come near, ye heathen, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2.  For the indignation of YHWH is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3.  Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4.  And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5.  For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Edom, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6.  The sword of YHWH is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for YHWH hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
7.  And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8.  For it is the day of the vengeance of YHWH, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.


Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision!!
For the day of YHWH is near in the valley of decision ...
  ::rolling::

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2011, 01:55:48 PM »
According to my understanding of scripture..meeting on the 7th day is about as important as meeting on the Temple Mount

If we meet on Saturday as an act of obedience, unto holiness and righteousness we had better not forget to bring our lambs, goats and bulls

Seriously

At least that's what I tell my Muslim and Jewish friends ::lookaround::

You make light of things which will come back to haunt you, for you are more correct than you know, (for now). You will certainly have your rams, lambs, goats, bullocks, and unicorns with you in that great and terrible day. The question for you is whether you will allow them to be sacrificed, or will you love them too much to forfeit them and live?

Revelation 6:12-14
12.  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13.  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14.  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


You see these "stars" fall INTO the earth. And if only you had listened up til now you might have learned that YOU are the earth!  ::crackup::

Isaiah 34:1-8
1.  Come near, ye heathen, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2.  For the indignation of YHWH is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3.  Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4.  And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5.  For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Edom, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6.  The sword of YHWH is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for YHWH hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
7.  And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8.  For it is the day of the vengeance of YHWH, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.


Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision!!
For the day of YHWH is near in the valley of decision ...
 ::rolling::

Daq as usual your posts verge on the incomprehensible

As I always share with you

I am a farmer, a potter, a baker, a candlestick maker

Jesus spoke in simplistic terms that I can understand

It seems to me I should be able to understand what you are saying but  often times I

do not

Could you please as an obedient messenger, break it down for those of us who like me don't have a clue of what you are talking about

Thanks ::tippinghat::
"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. Acts 20:27

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2011, 02:44:35 PM »
According to my understanding of scripture..meeting on the 7th day is about as important as meeting on the Temple Mount

If we meet on Saturday as an act of obedience, unto holiness and righteousness we had better not forget to bring our lambs, goats and bulls

Seriously

At least that's what I tell my Muslim and Jewish friends ::lookaround::

You make light of things which will come back to haunt you, for you are more correct than you know, (for now). You will certainly have your rams, lambs, goats, bullocks, and unicorns with you in that great and terrible day. The question for you is whether you will allow them to be sacrificed, or will you love them too much to forfeit them and live?

Revelation 6:12-14
12.  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13.  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14.  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


You see these "stars" fall INTO the earth. And if only you had listened up til now you might have learned that YOU are the earth!  ::crackup::

Isaiah 34:1-8
1.  Come near, ye heathen, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2.  For the indignation of YHWH is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3.  Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4.  And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5.  For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Edom, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6.  The sword of YHWH is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for YHWH hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
7.  And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8.  For it is the day of the vengeance of YHWH, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.


Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision!!
For the day of YHWH is near in the valley of decision ...
 ::rolling::

Daq as usual your posts verge on the incomprehensible

As I always share with you

I am a farmer, a potter, a baker, a candlestick maker

Jesus spoke in simplistic terms that I can understand

It seems to me I should be able to understand what you are saying but  often times I

do not

Could you please as an obedient messenger, break it down for those of us who like me don't have a clue of what you are talking about

Thanks ::tippinghat::

In your own words, terminology, and the simplest terms:
YOU ARE NOT THE POTTER ...
YOU ARE THE CLAY ~


Daniel 2:41-43 KJV
41.  And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42.  And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43.  And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.


Hope that helps ... ::smile::

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2011, 02:47:25 PM »
According to my understanding of scripture..meeting on the 7th day is about as important as meeting on the Temple Mount

If we meet on Saturday as an act of obedience, unto holiness and righteousness we had better not forget to bring our lambs, goats and bulls

Seriously

At least that's what I tell my Muslim and Jewish friends ::lookaround::

You make light of things which will come back to haunt you, for you are more correct than you know, (for now). You will certainly have your rams, lambs, goats, bullocks, and unicorns with you in that great and terrible day. The question for you is whether you will allow them to be sacrificed, or will you love them too much to forfeit them and live?

Revelation 6:12-14
12.  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13.  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14.  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


You see these "stars" fall INTO the earth. And if only you had listened up til now you might have learned that YOU are the earth!  ::crackup::

Isaiah 34:1-8
1.  Come near, ye heathen, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2.  For the indignation of YHWH is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3.  Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4.  And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5.  For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Edom, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6.  The sword of YHWH is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for YHWH hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
7.  And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8.  For it is the day of the vengeance of YHWH, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.


Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision!!
For the day of YHWH is near in the valley of decision ...
 ::rolling::

Daq as usual your posts verge on the incomprehensible

As I always share with you

I am a farmer, a potter, a baker, a candlestick maker

Jesus spoke in simplistic terms that I can understand

It seems to me I should be able to understand what you are saying but  often times I

do not

Could you please as an obedient messenger, break it down for those of us who like me don't have a clue of what you are talking about

Thanks ::tippinghat::

In your own words, terminology, and the simplest terms:
YOU ARE NOT THE POTTER ...
YOU ARE THE CLAY ~


Daniel 2:41-43 KJV
41.  And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42.  And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43.  And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.


Hope that helps ... ::smile::

In the simplest terms so anyone can understand what I am saying.....


I am a regular everyday Joe

An average guy

Speak in terms I understand

Rather than a bunch of  highfalutin platitudes and religious sounding terminology
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2011, 02:23:26 AM »

I honestly feel sad that you think the Sabbath rest is in a day.

It is only 'in a day'  in as far as it stipulates a certain period of TIME God has made holy and sanctified to himself and to man.
This could have been any day of the week but GOD CHOSE IT TO BE THE SABBATH (Saturday) and we should respect that. It is more than just 'resting'. It is a time when God is personally there to instruct and communicate with man. The rest of the week man should work.
No need to feel sad for me ...I trust GOD to know what HE is doing and wants me to do !.  ::smile::
 

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2011, 02:37:09 AM »
God does care. He cares that we listen to those whom He has placed in authority over us, especially when it comes to spiritual matters. In my Church we can worship on either Saturday night, or Sunday. Each is as valid as the other as regards which day to worship.

As I stated earlier - GOD does not really get a say in what HE wants .People would rather listen to men (churches) and what they decide.
It just is further proof that Christ is not really alive in them,living in them because if he were then HE would truly be their LORD 'AS LORD OF THE SABBATH .'
A LIVING CHRIST does not need sinful MEN to rule over spiritual matters.

Show a scripture that says 'Jesus is Lord of the sunday.'

Listen to the words of Jesus that He spoke to the Apostles. "He that heareth you heareth me", and "whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever ye shall be loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven". The power given by God, as incarnated in Jesus Christ, to the Apostles to change things on earth and they (the Apostles) did.

From worshiping on the first day of the week, to the elimination of circumcision, to the new ability to eat anything and still be acceptable to God, this power given to the Apostles cannot be denied. We've been through this before Beta, what is it that you can just not understand about the "New Law" that was brought forth by Jesus Christ?
Yes I also hear Jesus saying : Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name saying 'I am Christ ' and shall deceive MANY.
So obviously the MANY hear the false apostles.

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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2011, 11:00:10 AM »

I honestly feel sad that you think the Sabbath rest is in a day.

It is only 'in a day'  in as far as it stipulates a certain period of TIME God has made holy and sanctified to himself and to man.
This could have been any day of the week but GOD CHOSE IT TO BE THE SABBATH (Saturday) and we should respect that. It is more than just 'resting'. It is a time when God is personally there to instruct and communicate with man. The rest of the week man should work.
No need to feel sad for me ...I trust GOD to know what HE is doing and wants me to do !.  ::smile::
 

Beta in all of your trying to prove how literate you are in matters of the bible and how obedient you are to scripture in terms of what you think are commandments we should follow...
....all you are really proving is how much you DO NOT understand what you are reading and how much you DO NOT understand the character, purpose and intent of God

In other words if you know anything at all you should know

God exists outside of time, if you know that, I mean really know it, you would also know that time as we perceive it only matters for us, not to God.

That is because time does not really exist to God, it only exists for us. Even the most learned of us know that there is really no such thing as time...its only a concept.

What we know as Monday is only Monday because someone, at some point in history said today is Monday.

Try if you will to understand the simple fact that there is nothing in the Universe, nothing in the stars in heaven, the moon or more importantly the Word of God that says today is Wednesday...NOTHING!

The way you know it's Wednesday is because someone at some point in history said so.

There used to be 10 months, there used to be less days in a year, etc etc

In other words, we do not know what day Noah's Ark came to rest on dry land, we do know what day Moses led Israel out of Egypt and even if we did, there is no way of knowing that Saturday in the year 1BC is the same as Saturday in 2011

All we really know is what it is called now.

On top of that It may be Wednesday where I am but in England it's already tomorrow so what time zone do you think should be the officially recognized time zone, the one God recognized by God during Creation?

Okay enough of that...now let me get back to Scripture

Ecclesiastes says a time for everything "UNDER HEAVEN"

This simple phrase means exactly what it says however like many things mentioned in the bible we overlook the profundity of the statement

Simply put, in the spiritual realm, the eternal realm, the realm where God exists THERE IS NO TIME

There is a time under Heaven but

There is no time in Heaven!

Eternity means just that.....timeless

Hence God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, The First and the Last

In other words God is not concerned with a day of the week, we are!

Jesus said man was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for man

The bible says the Sabbath is a sign

A sign is a symbol, a marker of something more substantial

A sign is not the substance

The Sabbath is a sign of The Messiah, The Christ ...He is The Substance of the Sign!


Ok now....

You're on a freeway headed to Los Angeles, you see a sign, it says

50 miles to Los Angeles

THE SIGN IS NOT LOS ANGELES, if you pull over and park at the sign you haven't arrived yet. Though it may give you comfort to know you are not far from your destination it would be foolish for you to park there, calling your friends back in New York telling them you are in Los Angeles...YOU'RE NOT, you're just parked at the sign

The solution: Get back in your car and keep driving until you reach Los Angeles

In the case of Christianity

JESUS IS THE SABBATH

You're parked in the Old Testament.....Jesus Your rest is down the road a piece, get back in the Word of God and keep heading to the destination

The Rest we Have In Christ Jesus

Not a physical rest, not a day of the week, for neither of those will give you Spiritual Rest

The only way you can attain Spiritual Rest is in Christ Jesus Our Lord and Savior

Instead of looking for rest in a day designated by some Roman Emperor, a man made day

Seek a True Rest, A Spiritual Rest the Rest God pointed to in the sign He gave us....

Take a nap in the Arms of Jesus!  ::sleepingsoundly::
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2011, 11:32:42 AM »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?



I axed God and He toad me He didn't mind either way.


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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2011, 11:48:54 AM »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?



I axed God and He toad me He didn't mind either way.


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 rofl  he toad me the same thing!
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« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2011, 12:41:40 PM »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2011, 01:41:21 PM »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

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« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2011, 01:48:33 PM »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?
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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2011, 01:56:51 PM »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).
But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners.

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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2011, 02:01:24 PM »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::
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