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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #35 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 03:23:26 »

I honestly feel sad that you think the Sabbath rest is in a day.

It is only 'in a day'  in as far as it stipulates a certain period of TIME God has made holy and sanctified to himself and to man.
This could have been any day of the week but GOD CHOSE IT TO BE THE SABBATH (Saturday) and we should respect that. It is more than just 'resting'. It is a time when God is personally there to instruct and communicate with man. The rest of the week man should work.
No need to feel sad for me ...I trust GOD to know what HE is doing and wants me to do !.  ::smile::
 

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« Reply #36 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 03:37:09 »
God does care. He cares that we listen to those whom He has placed in authority over us, especially when it comes to spiritual matters. In my Church we can worship on either Saturday night, or Sunday. Each is as valid as the other as regards which day to worship.

As I stated earlier - GOD does not really get a say in what HE wants .People would rather listen to men (churches) and what they decide.
It just is further proof that Christ is not really alive in them,living in them because if he were then HE would truly be their LORD 'AS LORD OF THE SABBATH .'
A LIVING CHRIST does not need sinful MEN to rule over spiritual matters.

Show a scripture that says 'Jesus is Lord of the sunday.'

Listen to the words of Jesus that He spoke to the Apostles. "He that heareth you heareth me", and "whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever ye shall be loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven". The power given by God, as incarnated in Jesus Christ, to the Apostles to change things on earth and they (the Apostles) did.

From worshiping on the first day of the week, to the elimination of circumcision, to the new ability to eat anything and still be acceptable to God, this power given to the Apostles cannot be denied. We've been through this before Beta, what is it that you can just not understand about the "New Law" that was brought forth by Jesus Christ?
Yes I also hear Jesus saying : Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name saying 'I am Christ ' and shall deceive MANY.
So obviously the MANY hear the false apostles.

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« Reply #37 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 12:00:10 »

I honestly feel sad that you think the Sabbath rest is in a day.

It is only 'in a day'  in as far as it stipulates a certain period of TIME God has made holy and sanctified to himself and to man.
This could have been any day of the week but GOD CHOSE IT TO BE THE SABBATH (Saturday) and we should respect that. It is more than just 'resting'. It is a time when God is personally there to instruct and communicate with man. The rest of the week man should work.
No need to feel sad for me ...I trust GOD to know what HE is doing and wants me to do !.  ::smile::
 

Beta in all of your trying to prove how literate you are in matters of the bible and how obedient you are to scripture in terms of what you think are commandments we should follow...
....all you are really proving is how much you DO NOT understand what you are reading and how much you DO NOT understand the character, purpose and intent of God

In other words if you know anything at all you should know

God exists outside of time, if you know that, I mean really know it, you would also know that time as we perceive it only matters for us, not to God.

That is because time does not really exist to God, it only exists for us. Even the most learned of us know that there is really no such thing as time...its only a concept.

What we know as Monday is only Monday because someone, at some point in history said today is Monday.

Try if you will to understand the simple fact that there is nothing in the Universe, nothing in the stars in heaven, the moon or more importantly the Word of God that says today is Wednesday...NOTHING!

The way you know it's Wednesday is because someone at some point in history said so.

There used to be 10 months, there used to be less days in a year, etc etc

In other words, we do not know what day Noah's Ark came to rest on dry land, we do know what day Moses led Israel out of Egypt and even if we did, there is no way of knowing that Saturday in the year 1BC is the same as Saturday in 2011

All we really know is what it is called now.

On top of that It may be Wednesday where I am but in England it's already tomorrow so what time zone do you think should be the officially recognized time zone, the one God recognized by God during Creation?

Okay enough of that...now let me get back to Scripture

Ecclesiastes says a time for everything "UNDER HEAVEN"

This simple phrase means exactly what it says however like many things mentioned in the bible we overlook the profundity of the statement

Simply put, in the spiritual realm, the eternal realm, the realm where God exists THERE IS NO TIME

There is a time under Heaven but

There is no time in Heaven!

Eternity means just that.....timeless

Hence God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, The First and the Last

In other words God is not concerned with a day of the week, we are!

Jesus said man was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for man

The bible says the Sabbath is a sign

A sign is a symbol, a marker of something more substantial

A sign is not the substance

The Sabbath is a sign of The Messiah, The Christ ...He is The Substance of the Sign!


Ok now....

You're on a freeway headed to Los Angeles, you see a sign, it says

50 miles to Los Angeles

THE SIGN IS NOT LOS ANGELES, if you pull over and park at the sign you haven't arrived yet. Though it may give you comfort to know you are not far from your destination it would be foolish for you to park there, calling your friends back in New York telling them you are in Los Angeles...YOU'RE NOT, you're just parked at the sign

The solution: Get back in your car and keep driving until you reach Los Angeles

In the case of Christianity

JESUS IS THE SABBATH

You're parked in the Old Testament.....Jesus Your rest is down the road a piece, get back in the Word of God and keep heading to the destination

The Rest we Have In Christ Jesus

Not a physical rest, not a day of the week, for neither of those will give you Spiritual Rest

The only way you can attain Spiritual Rest is in Christ Jesus Our Lord and Savior

Instead of looking for rest in a day designated by some Roman Emperor, a man made day

Seek a True Rest, A Spiritual Rest the Rest God pointed to in the sign He gave us....

Take a nap in the Arms of Jesus!  ::sleepingsoundly::
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #38 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 12:32:42 »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?



I axed God and He toad me He didn't mind either way.


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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #39 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 12:48:54 »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?



I axed God and He toad me He didn't mind either way.


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 rofl  he toad me the same thing!

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #40 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 13:41:40 »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

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« Reply #41 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 14:41:21 »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #42 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 14:48:33 »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #43 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 14:56:51 »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #44 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 15:01:24 »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #45 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 15:11:23 »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?

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« Reply #46 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 15:18:20 »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::

Thank God for Jesus and our freedom! Keeping a kosher household is very expensive. Ten bucks or so for 1 chicken.

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« Reply #47 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 15:19:20 »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?
So as we will know which angle to start teaching you the more prefect way

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« Reply #48 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 15:22:23 »
Why is it that so many are secretive about what the sign out front their assembly says. If they are afraid they will be judged then it really does not matter cause we will judge on other matters anyway so be it true if you are a member of the board you will be judged on way or the other. If you do not fess up we will simply pin a title on you.

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« Reply #49 on: Wed Nov 09, 2011 - 15:34:05 »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?

Just wondering if your desire to observe Jewish feasts and dietary laws is
1. because you are Jewish or
2. because of your desire to be obedient to the requirements
3. because you believe in so doing God will be more pleased with you




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« Reply #50 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 04:01:12 »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::

Thank God for Jesus and our freedom! Keeping a kosher household is very expensive. Ten bucks or so for 1 chicken.

There you go again !
Does everything have to be connected to OT JEWISH beliefs ?

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« Reply #51 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 05:52:26 »
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Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).
Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
The worldwide Church of God [HW Armstrong et al] is sabbatarian. 

There is also a 7th day Baptist denomination and a 7th day Assembly of God (offshoot of the regular AoG)

Most of the Yashuan cult are sabbitarians as well.

None of them ever seem to deal with Acts 15 and 21 where it says that gentile followers are not expected to follow the specifics of the Law of Moses. (the exemption does not apply to Jews)

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« Reply #52 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 07:33:35 »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::

Thank God for Jesus and our freedom! Keeping a kosher household is very expensive. Ten bucks or so for 1 chicken.

There you go again !
Does everything have to be connected to OT JEWISH beliefs ?


I do not desire to get into an argument with you, but am genuinely interested in your belief's and how you can uphold one part of something and not the other. Is it too much to ask what group of people you gather with to worship God?
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« Reply #53 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 07:38:59 »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?

Just wondering if your desire to observe Jewish feasts and dietary laws is
1. because you are Jewish or
2. because of your desire to be obedient to the requirements
3. because you believe in so doing God will be more pleased with you





Beta has no desire to be obediant to the OT strictures. She wishes to pick and choose which ones to follow and after some conversing with her it is only OT Sabbath that she follows. All the other 613 OT commands she ignores. As for the doctrine she believes, that is somewhat of mystery.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #54 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 08:08:12 »
Were the 613 commands not the ones nailed to the cross? I don't believe the 10 commandments were. Have we commenced to murder, lust, covet and dishonor our parents, etc?

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« Reply #55 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 08:14:27 »
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Beta has no desire to be obediant to the OT strictures. She wishes to pick and choose which ones to follow and after some conversing with her it is only OT Sabbath that she follows. All the other 613 OT commands she ignores. As for the doctrine she believes, that is somewhat of mystery.
I have met people like that. I cannot follow their system of belief at all.

As to restoring Sabbath to Saturday, I believe it is a true move of God.  However, it has to be restored PROPERLY, meaning that the distinction that it is a covenant sign of the Israelites (both natural and prostelites) and not incumbant on the gentile believers has to be clearly understood, and that applies to both the Saturday sabbath keepers and the Sunday keepers.

As to the rest of the 613 Mosaic commands, analysis needs to be made on how and whether each command can be worked out in a New Covenant setting, and by WHOM.

Actually, our Rabbi and the director of our brotherhood of congregations are working together on that very book.  They are posting chapters as they become available:

h**p://www.tikkunamerica.org/halachah.php (replace the ** with tt)

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« Reply #56 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 09:10:30 »
Were the 613 commands not the ones nailed to the cross? I don't believe the 10 commandments were. Have we commenced to murder, lust, covet and dishonor our parents, etc?

For Christians yes, those 613 commands were definitely nailed to the cross so that all humans could now be acceptable to be saved in God's eyes. And to my mind, the Saturday observance is also ended, with Christ's words to the Apostles which allowed them to change things.

As for the other big Commandments, you make a good point that they indeed are still in force. But, then again, we do keep a day set aside for the worship of God, so we are still keeping the spirit of the Sabbath law, if not the letter of the Law.

It seems disingenuous to me though, to look to the OT as regards keeping the Sabbath worship day and then to not follow all the other "Old" ways of living a spiritual life that is pleasing to God. But, maybe that's just me.

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« Reply #57 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 09:25:39 »
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Beta has no desire to be obediant to the OT strictures. She wishes to pick and choose which ones to follow and after some conversing with her it is only OT Sabbath that she follows. All the other 613 OT commands she ignores. As for the doctrine she believes, that is somewhat of mystery.
I have met people like that. I cannot follow their system of belief at all.

As to restoring Sabbath to Saturday, I believe it is a true move of God.  However, it has to be restored PROPERLY, meaning that the distinction that it is a covenant sign of the Israelites (both natural and prostelites) and not incumbant on the gentile believers has to be clearly understood, and that applies to both the Saturday sabbath keepers and the Sunday keepers.

As to the rest of the 613 Mosaic commands, analysis needs to be made on how and whether each command can be worked out in a New Covenant setting, and by WHOM.

Actually, our Rabbi and the director of our brotherhood of congregations are working together on that very book.  They are posting chapters as they become available:

h**p://www.tikkunamerica.org/halachah.php (replace the ** with tt)

Now that sounds like an interesting project about the other 613 commands. I'll be sure to be reading them as posted. But you said "your Rabbi"? Are you Christian with a Rabbi advisor?

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« Reply #58 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 10:22:05 »
There are many Messianic Jews (believers in Yeshua). I am a Messianic Gentile!

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« Reply #59 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 10:30:13 »
Now that sounds like an interesting project about the other 613 commands. I'll be sure to be reading them as posted. But you said "your Rabbi"? Are you Christian with a Rabbi advisor?
I had one of those back in the mid '90s - Rabbi Shub from Sinai Synagogue in South Bend IN. (conservative)

I now attend a Messianic synagogue in the DC area.  Many Messianic congregations have the office of Rabbi as well, similar to traditional Jewish schuls.

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« Reply #60 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 11:51:07 »
Now that sounds like an interesting project about the other 613 commands. I'll be sure to be reading them as posted. But you said "your Rabbi"? Are you Christian with a Rabbi advisor?
I had one of those back in the mid '90s - Rabbi Shub from Sinai Synagogue in South Bend IN. (conservative)

I now attend a Messianic synagogue in the DC area.  Many Messianic congregations have the office of Rabbi as well, similar to traditional Jewish schuls.

Well, there you go! I have never met or talked with someone in a Messianic congregation before.  You could be called a revert, no? ::smile:: Do you keep Kosher?  I have an interest in that subject as I used to deliver Kosher meats for a couple of years to a company run by the Lubavitchers. It was more than just a job for me as I felt I was doing a good service to God and this particular community.

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« Reply #61 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 11:59:00 »
I and my house keep to a "Messianic" or "Biblical" kosher (as opposed to rabbinic kosher). We do not eat pork or shell fish and a few other things.

We do NOT follow the rabbinic seperation of milk and meat. (strictly enforced in rabbinic kosher)

Having studied at a conservative schul, we understand and COULD keep rabbinicly kosher but at this point we see no need for that within our community.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #62 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 12:18:04 »
I had mentioned earlier that I believed the 10 commandments were not nailed to the cross and the 613 other laws were.

Col 2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Col 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross;


The 10 commandments (written by the finger of God) were placed INSIDE the Ark of the Covenant and the book of law (comprised of Moses' handwriting) was placed BESIDE the ark. Two separate things.


31:24 It happened, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
31:25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of Yahweh, saying,
31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of Yahweh your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

Is it not true that the ten commandments POINT OUT sin, and the ceremonial laws of Moses WAS the REMEDY for sin. The ten commandments STILL points out sin, but Jesus is NOW the REMEDY for that sin. The ceremonial laws have now been replaced by Christ Jesus, as He is now our sacrifice and offering to God for sin. But the moral law of God, the Bible ten commandments still stand.


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« Reply #63 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 12:20:01 »
Were the 613 commands not the ones nailed to the cross? I don't believe the 10 commandments were. Have we commenced to murder, lust, covet and dishonor our parents, etc?

Can you say tangent?  ::shrug::

First of all it is not the contents of the 10 Commandments ( written in stone ) that have been done away it is the requirement of meeting them to attain God's Approval,

That is what Has been nailed to the cross

As to your direct implication, it was the Ten Commandments, which were the ministration of death that were nailed to the cross


But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

2 Corinthians 3:7


As you can see in the following verse, both were done away with

The Law, WITH its COMMANDMENTS and REGULATIONS


Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #64 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 12:24:49 »
Were the 613 commands not the ones nailed to the cross? I don't believe the 10 commandments were. Have we commenced to murder, lust, covet and dishonor our parents, etc?

Can you say tangent?  ::shrug::

First of all it is not the contents of the 10 Commandments ( written in stone ) that have been done away it is the requirement of meeting them to attain God's Approval,

That is what Has been nailed to the cross

As to your direct implication, it was the Ten Commandments, which were the ministration of death that were nailed to the cross


But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

2 Corinthians 3:7


As you can see in the following verse, both were done away with

The Law, WITH its COMMANDMENTS and REGULATIONS


Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

See my reply #64 above. God's moral law STILL define and point out sin. Christ replaced the ceremonial law, the handwritings that were a witness against them, that was placed beside the ark not IN the ark like the 10 commandments. Definitely 2 separate and distinct things.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #65 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 12:35:58 »
Were the 613 commands not the ones nailed to the cross? I don't believe the 10 commandments were. Have we commenced to murder, lust, covet and dishonor our parents, etc?

Can you say tangent?  ::shrug::

First of all it is not the contents of the 10 Commandments ( written in stone ) that have been done away it is the requirement of meeting them to attain God's Approval,

That is what Has been nailed to the cross

As to your direct implication, it was the Ten Commandments, which were the ministration of death that were nailed to the cross


But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

2 Corinthians 3:7


As you can see in the following verse, both were done away with

The Law, WITH its COMMANDMENTS and REGULATIONS


Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

See my reply #64 above. God's moral law STILL define and point out sin. Christ replaced the ceremonial law, the handwritings that were a witness against them, that was placed beside the ark not IN the ark like the 10 commandments. Definitely 2 separate and distinct things.


Again Jaime

What Christ replaced was THE REQUIREMENT of meeting those commandments, ANY OF THEM, the 10 or the ceremonial IN ORDER TO MEET HIS APPROVAL

In the NEW Testament, Under the NEW Covenant

God APPROVES US FIRST

and Because of His Approval we go the tasks of learning to keep His Commandments


In the OLD testament, Under the OLD Covenant


We must keep His Commandments and requirements FIRST before gaining His Approval


So you're right, the contents of the 10 Commandments are not done away with, they are still in effect, it is still wrong to bear false witness and murder someone

However

God approves us without our fulfilling His Commandments

In other words

The Law is no longer the means by which we Gain God's Approval

In that sense, they are Nailed to the Cross

For Christ is the only means of attaining God's Approval

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #66 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 13:27:58 »
I split the responses about Jewish tradition in Christianity into a separate thread to prevent this thread from being derailed.


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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #67 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 13:55:10 »
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Are you a Jew?

I am not, although I have found some Jewish ancestors way back.

I am in a Messianic synagogue at God's direction.

Rabbi Dan Juster describes what I went thru to get there as a "Ruth Calling," The internal pull to make the Jewish people my own people and the God of the Jews my God.

Isn't the Messianic movement fairly new? Like 1960's new? If you're looking for a Jewish tradition in Christendom why would you not simply follow the See of Jerusalem in the Eastern Orthodox or the Maronite Church?

These Jewish Churches are ancient. I mean going back to the Apostles ancient. I would just think that such would fit you better.

Not trying to start a sub-topic or anything. I'm just curious is all. When I was at my fourth foster home I used to play ball at a Messianic synagogue called Ahavat Yeshua. The people were really nice and everything so I have no issues with the denomination or anything like that.

I was just wondering how far you researched churches in traditional Christendom who hold to a more Jewish way.

The 3000 in Acts 2 were Messianic Jews.

Yes but they didn't form this 1860's movement that broke away from modern Judaism. They formed the see of Jerusalem, the governing Jewish See of the Early Church. I have no issues with Christians wanting to reconnect more deeply with their Jewish roots. I don't understand why anyone would go anywhere but the actual 2000 year old church the original Jewish Christians organized and hailed from.

I mean its the Mother Church. Why go anywhere else?

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Are you promoting the RCC again?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #68 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 14:00:38 »
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Are you a Jew?

I am not, although I have found some Jewish ancestors way back.

I am in a Messianic synagogue at God's direction.

Rabbi Dan Juster describes what I went thru to get there as a "Ruth Calling," The internal pull to make the Jewish people my own people and the God of the Jews my God.

Isn't the Messianic movement fairly new? Like 1960's new? If you're looking for a Jewish tradition in Christendom why would you not simply follow the See of Jerusalem in the Eastern Orthodox or the Maronite Church?

These Jewish Churches are ancient. I mean going back to the Apostles ancient. I would just think that such would fit you better.

Not trying to start a sub-topic or anything. I'm just curious is all. When I was at my fourth foster home I used to play ball at a Messianic synagogue called Ahavat Yeshua. The people were really nice and everything so I have no issues with the denomination or anything like that.

I was just wondering how far you researched churches in traditional Christendom who hold to a more Jewish way.

The 3000 in Acts 2 were Messianic Jews.

Yes but they didn't form this 1860's movement that broke away from modern Judaism. They formed the see of Jerusalem, the governing Jewish See of the Early Church. I have no issues with Christians wanting to reconnect more deeply with their Jewish roots. I don't understand why anyone would go anywhere but the actual 2000 year old church the original Jewish Christians organized and hailed from.

I mean its the Mother Church. Why go anywhere else?

 ::doh::

Are you promoting the RCC again?

Well actually the See of Jerusalem is not in communion with Rome at the present time. So I guess I would be promoting the Eastern Orthodox.

I thought I split that post to a separate thread to prevent this type of complaining?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #69 on: Thu Nov 10, 2011 - 14:24:03 »
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Are you a Jew?

I am not, although I have found some Jewish ancestors way back.

I am in a Messianic synagogue at God's direction.

Rabbi Dan Juster describes what I went thru to get there as a "Ruth Calling," The internal pull to make the Jewish people my own people and the God of the Jews my God.

Isn't the Messianic movement fairly new? Like 1960's new? If you're looking for a Jewish tradition in Christendom why would you not simply follow the See of Jerusalem in the Eastern Orthodox or the Maronite Church?

These Jewish Churches are ancient. I mean going back to the Apostles ancient. I would just think that such would fit you better.

Not trying to start a sub-topic or anything. I'm just curious is all. When I was at my fourth foster home I used to play ball at a Messianic synagogue called Ahavat Yeshua. The people were really nice and everything so I have no issues with the denomination or anything like that.

I was just wondering how far you researched churches in traditional Christendom who hold to a more Jewish way.

The 3000 in Acts 2 were Messianic Jews.

Yes but they didn't form this 1860's movement that broke away from modern Judaism. They formed the see of Jerusalem, the governing Jewish See of the Early Church. I have no issues with Christians wanting to reconnect more deeply with their Jewish roots. I don't understand why anyone would go anywhere but the actual 2000 year old church the original Jewish Christians organized and hailed from.

I mean its the Mother Church. Why go anywhere else?

 ::doh::

Are you promoting the RCC again?

Well actually the See of Jerusalem is not in communion with Rome at the present time. So I guess I would be promoting the Eastern Orthodox.

I thought I split that post to a separate thread to prevent this type of complaining?

See of Jerusalem?

This is over my head, I have no idea what you are referring to ::headscratch::

 

     
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