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Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« on: November 07, 2011, 05:56:55 PM »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2011, 08:21:41 PM »

That the first Christians did not keep the old covenant sabbath was deliberate, and reveals that the earliest Christians were well aware that in Christ they had been freed from the bondage of the old way of rules and regulations.

In Christ, we are free to worship God at anytime, anywhere and anyplace.


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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2011, 08:24:11 PM »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?

No I don't think so. The days of assembly have always been the preference of the church's and they varied depending on regions. Some churches gathered on Saturday. Some on Sunday. A lot of them gathered on both days. Then there were special days of celebration like Paschal in the East.

My Church has service throughout the week and on Saturday. The official day of assembly is Sunday, although a lot of people go to Mass on other days of the week when they can not miss work or something.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2011, 08:26:31 PM »

That the first Christians did not keep the old covenant sabbath was deliberate, and reveals that the earliest Christians were well aware that in Christ they had been freed from the bondage of the old way of rules and regulations.

In Christ, we are free to worship God at anytime, anywhere and anyplace.



Actually Christians gathered on the Sabbath a lot in the Early Church. Sunday too.

The Sabbath wasn't upheld as the means of rest or anything because the Early Church taught that Christ was the rest that the seventh day foreshadowed in the time before His coming. They did however gather on the Sabbath as well as the first day.


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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2011, 08:44:11 PM »
Seems God and Christ have no say in people's lives.
Oh yes they call him ' LORD ' but it means nothing Lk.6v46 ...and HE knows it !
Why would he (God) ever bother to make something holy and sanctified ,spiritual and eternal for man's benefit if nobody is going to respect it ?
God has given man 6 days (6000 years) to come to his senses and acknowledge him as supreme Creator but time has proven that we only become more stubborn and ignorant instead of humble and obedient.
I believe as time shows that God is through talking, reprimanding and admonishing now and severe measures will be implimented and have already been set in motion.
Man will now reap what he has sown !!!   ::announcment::

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2011, 09:14:13 PM »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?

Could you just answer one thing ?

Is it more important to do what GOD SAYS - or what PEOPLE DO ???

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2011, 09:23:04 PM »
Seems God and Christ have no say in people's lives.
Oh yes they call him ' LORD ' but it means nothing Lk.6v46 ...and HE knows it !
Why would he (God) ever bother to make something holy and sanctified ,spiritual and eternal for man's benefit if nobody is going to respect it ?
God has given man 6 days (6000 years) to come to his senses and acknowledge him as supreme Creator but time has proven that we only become more stubborn and ignorant instead of humble and obedient.
I believe as time shows that God is through talking, reprimanding and admonishing now and severe measures will be implimented and have already been set in motion.
Man will now reap what he has sown !!!   ::announcment::

Just make sure God is personally administering those "severe measures". You Old Covenant extremists have been talking a lot about people being forced to observed the seventh day.


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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2011, 09:42:46 PM »
As for myself I do not need the New Testament to remind me. Besides, if the New Testament writers reminded us to remember the Sabbath then they would have been undermining the original commandment to REMEMBER THE SABBATH. And if YHWH says to remember something who are we to expect him to remind us again? This is more evidence of the fact that Torah is no more "abolished" than as if Yeshua the Word is abolished.

Exodus 20:8-11
8.  Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9.  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10.  But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11.  For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Also there is a definition of what it is to LOVE the name of YHWH ~

Isaiah 56:1-7
1.  Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2.  Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3.  Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. (but rather grafted into the Olive Tree of YHWH)
4.  For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5.  Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6.  Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7.  Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.


And where is this holy mountain?
And what about that everlasting name?
A name better than that of sons and daughters?


Revelation 14:1
1.  And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.


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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2011, 09:56:22 PM »
Does God care if we worship on Saturday or Sunday?

Some people go to Thursday night services.....is God angry with them?
No, he does not care.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2011, 10:00:25 PM »
As for myself I do not need the New Testament to remind me. Besides, if the New Testament writers reminded us to remember the Sabbath then they would have been undermining the original commandment to REMEMBER THE SABBATH. And if YHWH says to remember something who are we to expect him to remind us again? This is more evidence of the fact that Torah is no more "abolished" than as if Yeshua the Word is abolished.

Exodus 20:8-11
8.  Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9.  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10.  But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11.  For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Also there is a definition of what it is to LOVE the name of YHWH ~

Isaiah 56:1-7
1.  Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2.  Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3.  Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. (but rather grafted into the Olive Tree of YHWH)
4.  For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5.  Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6.  Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7.  Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.


And where is this holy mountain?
And what about that everlasting name?
A name better than that of sons and daughters?


Revelation 14:1
1.  And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.


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I imagine you think Remembering the Sabbath comes from resting on the seventh day, yes? I dance in the freedom and quality of the New Covenant.
 
Hebrew 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

 3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

 4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

 5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

 6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

 7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

 8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.



I think that settles that.


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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2011, 10:19:03 PM »
Just been thinking daq why people can't remember.
They can't remember something that has not only been forgotten but is actually being DENIED.
The 7th Day Sabbath was given at the beginning of Creation so it is not something people don't know or have never heard of. They know alright ! But since this world has become subject to satan 2Cor.4v4. he has perverted the human mind to all kinds of ideas about the one holy and sanctified time God has chosen for man and himself to communicate. But mostly it is being now DENIED...not just forgotten
A sure sign of total human disregard and disrespect for the Word of God though calling him LORD LORD .
2Kgs.17 says quite a bit of how it came about.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2011, 10:45:18 PM »

That the first Christians did not keep the old covenant sabbath was deliberate, and reveals that the earliest Christians were well aware that in Christ they had been freed from the bondage of the old way of rules and regulations.

In Christ, we are free to worship God at anytime, anywhere and anyplace.


Actually Christians gathered on the Sabbath a lot in the Early Church. Sunday too.

The Sabbath wasn't upheld as the means of rest or anything because the Early Church taught that Christ was the rest that the seventh day foreshadowed in the time before His coming. They did however gather on the Sabbath as well as the first day.


They were free to gather on any day, and did, which is, by definition, not "keeping" the old covenant sabbath. Our sabbath rest, as Christians, is not a day of the week, but a Person, Jesus Christ. Jesus is the "better rest of God" for Christians...the Sabbath rest as well as the promised place of rest.




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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2011, 10:48:02 PM »
Beta ~

You know that YHWH cares and that is what is important because it is personal just like all of the Gospel. Those who love his name will surely not lose their reward because he is faithful to see his people through every trial. So long as we do not think that "keeping the Law" has anything to do with salvation because it leads directly to self righteousness. For this reason Talmudic Judaism is the most treacherous and dangerous of all the works religions in the world because in the outward appearance the adherent really can say that he is doing what YHWH commanded him to do, (albeit in the flesh). The reason those children of Israel died in the wilderness, (which LightHammer has made reference to) was because the Gospel preached to them was not mixed with FAITH. So ask yourself: what if it had been mixed with faith in them? ::smile::

Hebrews 4:2 KJV
2.  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


LightHammer ~

The Seventh Day is Eternal: Soon the night will come where no man can dance, and when the seven thunders utter their voices the mystery of YHWH shall be finished in you, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets, and time shall not be more, and then shall you enter that rest and cease from your own dancing...::smile::

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 12:35:41 AM »
According to my understanding of scripture..meeting on the 7th day is about as important as meeting on the Temple Mount

If we meet on Saturday as an act of obedience, unto holiness and righteousness we had better not forget to bring our lambs, goats and bulls

Seriously

At least that's what I tell my Muslim and Jewish friends ::lookaround::

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 12:44:13 AM »
Beta ~

You know that YHWH cares and that is what is important because it is personal just like all of the Gospel. Those who love his name will surely not lose their reward because he is faithful to see his people through every trial. So long as we do not think that "keeping the Law" has anything to do with salvation because it leads directly to self righteousness. For this reason Talmudic Judaism is the most treacherous and dangerous of all the works religions in the world because in the outward appearance the adherent really can say that he is doing what YHWH commanded him to do, (albeit in the flesh). The reason those children of Israel died in the wilderness, (which LightHammer has made reference to) was because the Gospel preached to them was not mixed with FAITH. So ask yourself: what if it had been mixed with faith in them? ::smile::

Hebrews 4:2 KJV
2.  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


LightHammer ~

The Seventh Day is Eternal: Soon the night will come where no man can dance, and when the seven thunders utter their voices the mystery of YHWH shall be finished in you, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets, and time shall not be more, and then shall you enter that rest and cease from your own dancing...::smile::

The seventh day is obviously not eternal. Today is the third day. The original seventh day wasn't even 24 hours.

The fact of the matter is clear. God calls the Sabbath the sign of the covenant between Him and Abraham. The Old Covenant. All the things of the Old Covenant foreshadowed the coming rest of Jesus Christ.

Like I said I honestly don't care if you guys want to gather on the seventh day. My own parish has mass every Saturday. Telling me that I must uphold the Sabbath Day as the means of rest is blasphemous and undermining to the work of Christ's resurrection.

Not to mention Hebrews 4 completely renders asunder the mere notion of that sentiment.