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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2011, 02:11:23 PM »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2011, 02:18:20 PM »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::

Thank God for Jesus and our freedom! Keeping a kosher household is very expensive. Ten bucks or so for 1 chicken.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2011, 02:19:20 PM »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?
So as we will know which angle to start teaching you the more prefect way

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2011, 02:22:23 PM »
Why is it that so many are secretive about what the sign out front their assembly says. If they are afraid they will be judged then it really does not matter cause we will judge on other matters anyway so be it true if you are a member of the board you will be judged on way or the other. If you do not fess up we will simply pin a title on you.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2011, 02:34:05 PM »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?

Just wondering if your desire to observe Jewish feasts and dietary laws is
1. because you are Jewish or
2. because of your desire to be obedient to the requirements
3. because you believe in so doing God will be more pleased with you



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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2011, 03:01:12 AM »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::

Thank God for Jesus and our freedom! Keeping a kosher household is very expensive. Ten bucks or so for 1 chicken.

There you go again !
Does everything have to be connected to OT JEWISH beliefs ?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2011, 04:52:26 AM »
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Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).
Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
The worldwide Church of God [HW Armstrong et al] is sabbatarian. 

There is also a 7th day Baptist denomination and a 7th day Assembly of God (offshoot of the regular AoG)

Most of the Yashuan cult are sabbitarians as well.

None of them ever seem to deal with Acts 15 and 21 where it says that gentile followers are not expected to follow the specifics of the Law of Moses. (the exemption does not apply to Jews)

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« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2011, 06:33:35 AM »
Gospel,

I think there are churches under the name 'Church of God' that also hold to this stuff, as well as some other groups which are not widely known. There are even sabbatarian baptists (though I don't think most of them hold to ritual dietary stuff).

Actually you're right, there are also some Charismatics who have revived these matters as well....
...  go figure ::shrug::

Thank God for Jesus and our freedom! Keeping a kosher household is very expensive. Ten bucks or so for 1 chicken.

There you go again !
Does everything have to be connected to OT JEWISH beliefs ?


I do not desire to get into an argument with you, but am genuinely interested in your belief's and how you can uphold one part of something and not the other. Is it too much to ask what group of people you gather with to worship God?
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2011, 06:38:59 AM »
Beta, I was wondering, are you 7th day Adventist?

NO ! actually I am not.

Didn't you know that others also keep the 7th day Sabbath ?  ::smile::
And the Feasts and dietary laws and the 10 Commandments ?

Are you Jewish?

NO ! I'm not jewish. But why do you ask since I'm ignorant according to your superior christian knowledge ?

Just wondering if your desire to observe Jewish feasts and dietary laws is
1. because you are Jewish or
2. because of your desire to be obedient to the requirements
3. because you believe in so doing God will be more pleased with you





Beta has no desire to be obediant to the OT strictures. She wishes to pick and choose which ones to follow and after some conversing with her it is only OT Sabbath that she follows. All the other 613 OT commands she ignores. As for the doctrine she believes, that is somewhat of mystery.

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2011, 07:08:12 AM »
Were the 613 commands not the ones nailed to the cross? I don't believe the 10 commandments were. Have we commenced to murder, lust, covet and dishonor our parents, etc?
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2011, 07:14:27 AM »
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Beta has no desire to be obediant to the OT strictures. She wishes to pick and choose which ones to follow and after some conversing with her it is only OT Sabbath that she follows. All the other 613 OT commands she ignores. As for the doctrine she believes, that is somewhat of mystery.
I have met people like that. I cannot follow their system of belief at all.

As to restoring Sabbath to Saturday, I believe it is a true move of God.  However, it has to be restored PROPERLY, meaning that the distinction that it is a covenant sign of the Israelites (both natural and prostelites) and not incumbant on the gentile believers has to be clearly understood, and that applies to both the Saturday sabbath keepers and the Sunday keepers.

As to the rest of the 613 Mosaic commands, analysis needs to be made on how and whether each command can be worked out in a New Covenant setting, and by WHOM.

Actually, our Rabbi and the director of our brotherhood of congregations are working together on that very book.  They are posting chapters as they become available:

h**p://www.tikkunamerica.org/halachah.php (replace the ** with tt)

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2011, 08:10:30 AM »
Were the 613 commands not the ones nailed to the cross? I don't believe the 10 commandments were. Have we commenced to murder, lust, covet and dishonor our parents, etc?

For Christians yes, those 613 commands were definitely nailed to the cross so that all humans could now be acceptable to be saved in God's eyes. And to my mind, the Saturday observance is also ended, with Christ's words to the Apostles which allowed them to change things.

As for the other big Commandments, you make a good point that they indeed are still in force. But, then again, we do keep a day set aside for the worship of God, so we are still keeping the spirit of the Sabbath law, if not the letter of the Law.

It seems disingenuous to me though, to look to the OT as regards keeping the Sabbath worship day and then to not follow all the other "Old" ways of living a spiritual life that is pleasing to God. But, maybe that's just me.

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« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2011, 08:25:39 AM »
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Beta has no desire to be obediant to the OT strictures. She wishes to pick and choose which ones to follow and after some conversing with her it is only OT Sabbath that she follows. All the other 613 OT commands she ignores. As for the doctrine she believes, that is somewhat of mystery.
I have met people like that. I cannot follow their system of belief at all.

As to restoring Sabbath to Saturday, I believe it is a true move of God.  However, it has to be restored PROPERLY, meaning that the distinction that it is a covenant sign of the Israelites (both natural and prostelites) and not incumbant on the gentile believers has to be clearly understood, and that applies to both the Saturday sabbath keepers and the Sunday keepers.

As to the rest of the 613 Mosaic commands, analysis needs to be made on how and whether each command can be worked out in a New Covenant setting, and by WHOM.

Actually, our Rabbi and the director of our brotherhood of congregations are working together on that very book.  They are posting chapters as they become available:

h**p://www.tikkunamerica.org/halachah.php (replace the ** with tt)

Now that sounds like an interesting project about the other 613 commands. I'll be sure to be reading them as posted. But you said "your Rabbi"? Are you Christian with a Rabbi advisor?

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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2011, 09:22:05 AM »
There are many Messianic Jews (believers in Yeshua). I am a Messianic Gentile!
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Re: Saturday or Sunday does God really care?
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2011, 09:30:13 AM »
Now that sounds like an interesting project about the other 613 commands. I'll be sure to be reading them as posted. But you said "your Rabbi"? Are you Christian with a Rabbi advisor?
I had one of those back in the mid '90s - Rabbi Shub from Sinai Synagogue in South Bend IN. (conservative)

I now attend a Messianic synagogue in the DC area.  Many Messianic congregations have the office of Rabbi as well, similar to traditional Jewish schuls.