SDA Church the One True Church?

[djconklin]

3A.M.
Any church founded in 1863 can not be the whole of God's kingdom.

No one should say that it is.  The word "church" can be used in a number of ways:

1) The building itself.
2) The congregants who go to said building.
3) A particular denomination.
4) The body of Christ.

Given Revelation 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

And the fact that SDA pastors will chew out the congregation, pointedly noting that there will be more Baptists, Methodists, Luthrens, Catholics, etc. in heaven (and not just because of sheer numbers) because they are living up to the light they know, while too many SDA's aren't walking the talk, it is obvious that the remnant refers to #4.

[current occupant]

3A.M.
Any church founded in 1863 can not be the whole of God's kingdom.

No one should say that it is.  The word "church" can be used in a number of ways:

1) The building itself.
2) The congregants who go to said building.
3) A particular denomination.
4) The body of Christ.

Given Revelation 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

And the fact that SDA pastors will chew out the congregation, pointedly noting that there will be more Baptists, Methodists, Luthrens, Catholics, etc. in heaven (and not just because of sheer numbers) because they are living up to the light they know, while too many SDA's aren't walking the talk, it is obvious that the remnant refers to #4.

dj, are you saying that the poster who started this thread was wrong in the wording of the title of the thread?

Your interpretation that the remnant’ refers to #4 (the body of Christ) is not the way of internal SDA reference when spoken of from the pulpit in local churches, at campmeeting’s and in internal church literature.  You mislead the public on the internal belief and practice of all SDA’s when you make statements like this.

Here is a quote from the latest edition of Adventist World that addresses this very issue. (_{Launched in September, 2005, the Adventist World is an international magazine for Seventh-day Adventists. Published monthly by the General Conference, the journal is printed in six languages, Bahasa (Indonesian), English, French, Korean, Portuguese, and Spanish, and has a global circulation of  2 million. The magazine is also available online in Chinese, English, French, Korean, Portuguese, and Spanish.})

Prophetic Identity in Revelation 12
Revelation 12 covers more historical time than does any other single chapter in the Bible: from the fall of Lucifer to A.D. 1798. In the chapter’s final verse, 17, we find God’s true church emerging from its “wilderness” experience; and there comes to view a “remnant” (KJV) people identified by two characteristics:
 
1. They keep the commandments of God—all 10 of them, including the fourth, or Sabbath, commandment.
2. They possess the “testimony of Jesus,” which in Revelation 19:10 in the King James Version is defined as the “spirit of prophecy”—a renewed bestowal of the divinely inspired gift of prophecy.
 
While a few other churches keep the seventh-day Sabbath, and others claim the prophetic gift in their midst, not one of them fits both identifying characteristics given here. Consequently, Seventh-day Adventists find their prophetic identity in the two characteristics given in Revelation 12:17.

This short statement definitely identifies the SDA church as the remnant – and the only one at that. 

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This is not in opposition to your position but it turns your personal belief into a statement that the SDA church IS THE body of Christ to the exclusion of all other believers unless they join in the beliefs of your SDA church.

As I said before, you mislead!

The conclusion of the same article only reinforces my statements, the position of the OP and the thread title.

Conclusion
Yes, at the end of time there will be a faithful, commandment-keeping group of individuals here on earth who are distinguished from all other religious bodies in three unique ways.
 
Only Seventh-day Adventists fit this description exactly. The fact that Adventists have been called to say something unique just before Christ’s second coming is nothing to boast about. After all, the message is not the church’s message, but God’s.
 
That being so, Adventist Church members need to be living differently, acting differently, and preaching differently. Many other churches are doing a good work, but none is preaching the “everlasting,” or “final,” gospel in the setting of the final judgment-hour message. This should give Adventists a sense of urgency about their preaching.
 
The Seventh-day Adventist Church has a special end-time work to do. God forbid that Adventists ever lose their sense of prophetic focus and mission, but rather again experience the excitement and commitment of the church pioneers who realized that God wanted to work through them to finish His work here on earth. May that same sens e of wonder and dedication be the experience of each member of the Adventist Church today.


To read the full article, originally prepared as a sermon, go to www.whiteestate.org/resources/nix/unique_movement.html.

All this is not to say that I agree with the article.  The SDA Church is not God's remnant denomination.  They do not fulfill the criteria set out in Revelation.

[wayne]

i did some paint job with a SDA as my helper. he stole several things from me. anyway , the jehovas witness are the true gods endtime church.

[djconklin]

i did some paint job with a SDA as my helper. he stole several things from me. anyway , the jehovas witness are the true gods endtime church.

And this person's name would be?  Where's the proof?  Who said all SDA's are saints?

[djconklin]

dj, are you saying that the poster who started this thread was wrong in the wording of the title of the thread?

In my opening sentence I very clearly noted that the word "church" could be used in a variety of ways.  I then listed some.

Your interpretation that the remnant’ refers to #4 (the body of Christ) is not the way of internal SDA reference when spoken of from the pulpit in local churches, at campmeeting’s and in internal church literature.

That's where I got it from.

but it turns your personal belief into a statement that the SDA church IS THE body of Christ to the exclusion of all other believers unless they join in the beliefs of your SDA church.

Incorrect.  We don't even believe that all SDA's will be saved.  So, that cannot possibly be the correct interpretation.  If you will read what Paulson said you'll note that he was talking about theological points--that is what matters, not organization or buildings.

[wayne]

well, if SDA dont believe being a SDA will save you, then they are worthless. poop on them

[djconklin]

well, if SDA dont believe being a SDA will save you, then they are worthless. poop on them

Nice language.  Christ never said that you have to belong to a specific denomination in order to be saved.

Revelation 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

[wayne]

if so, why do you belong to the SDA?

[djconklin]

Who said I did?  Where's the proof?  Got actual evidence for this?  Or is it like your claim that Satan is the lesser light?

[wayne]

Who said I did?  Where's the proof?  Got actual evidence for this?  Or is it like your claim that Satan is the lesser light?

my friend, i dont actually care. have a nice life

[djconklin]

If you didn't care, then why did you claim it?  Never make claims you cannot back up.