I only said what I understand your position to be in my reading of your posts. Clearly you are preaching and teaching that the covenant that was replaced by a new covenant is that of the covenant with Levi (Levitical priesthood), which you also teach and preach to be the covenant between God and Israel. By that, you leave out and ignore what scriptures says constitutes the covenant God made with Israel. Let me show you the scriptures:
Exodus 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. 4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers. 5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. 6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: 7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the Lord.
Gen. 12:5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
God gave Israel HIS COVENANT that He made with Abraham. To bring His Seed into the Land. This is what the scriptures teach.
Yes, God promised Abram to give the land of Canaan to his seed in Genesis 12.
Regarding this promise, God made a covenant with Abraham particular to this.Genesis 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Clearly, the seed referred to in this covenant refers to Isaac, Jacob (Israel) and his posterity, those who came to Egypt and served there and were afflicted for four hundred years. These are them who later God saved from Egypt, leading them out of Egypt as was told in Exodus.
They did not obey the voice of God, for they heed not the voice of Moses. But God still took them out of Egypt just as He had said.
Only the ones who obeyed Him left Egypt. Those who refused to take the Blood of the Lamb, and follow God's instructions regarding it did not leave Egypt. But the ones, both Jew and the Stranger that sojourned with them, which partook of the Passover were allowed to follow Moses out of Egypt.
So your preaching, once again, is proven false by the word of God. Those men who did not heed the voice of Moses, did not leave Egypt.
You said "Only the ones who obeyed Him left Egypt. Those who refused to take the Blood of the Lamb, and follow God's instructions regarding it did not leave Egypt." Well you can say that. And that might be if scriptures so tell us.
As for me, this is what I know in scriptures.
They were persuaded and believed this:Exodus 4:31 And the people believed: and when they heard that the Lord had visited the children of Israel, and that he had looked upon their affliction, then they bowed their heads and worshipped.
Then,Exod. 6:6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:
God promised in covenant to them all (without exception), the children of Israel, that He will deliver them out of Egypt. That is unconditional and without exception. Will not God fulfill exactly what He promised? Of course He will!
But, this was their response: Exod. 6:9 And Moses spake so unto the children of Israel: but they hearkened not unto Moses for anguish of spirit, and for cruel bondage.
Because of their anguish of spirit, and for cruel bondage, they heed not. But still, and we have this as what came to pass,Exodus 12:51 And it came to pass the selfsame day, that the Lord did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies.
Not only them, but also a mixed multitude who went with them.Exodus 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.
God is faithful. He fulfills His words and unconditional promise to the children of Israel to deliver them out of Egypt.
Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. 7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.
Again, you are miss-representing His Word.
Numb. 14:22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
No misrepresentation there GB. That's all scriptures in the quotebox. The scriptures in the quotebox was quoted simply to show what else the covenant was about and not anything else. What you make out of citing Numbers 14, I don't know where that is coming from.
Concerning the covenant between God and Israel, it does not end there. God gave them His ten commandments engraved in stone (Exodus 20). And what do you think is the reason why God gave them those commandments?For the same reason He gave His Laws, Commandments and Statutes to Abraham.
And what is that?
Also, what do you understand in Exodus 24:12 (Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.” )? The obvious: Israel knew not.Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Did Abraham teach his Children the way of the Lord?
Gen. 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Now since I believe God's Word, I am sure that Abraham taught his children as God instructed. With HIS Way, and HIS Judgments, and HIS justice.
That at all does not prove that the Laws, Commandments and Statutes God gave Abraham, are the exact same ones God gave to the children of Israel in covenant with them.
But the Children of Israel didn't know them, as you so cleverly stated. Why didn't they know them? Because "in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage". They had forgotten God's Judgments.
The scriptures you quoted does not in any way say that they forgot. Rather what it says is that by reason of their bondage, they cried, and their cry came up unto God.
Anyway, so for you, they forgot. That nobody remembered His Laws, Commandments and Statutes, even the Levites perhaps, such as Moses and Aaron. Now forgetting would imply that they knew them, but just have forgotten of them. Yes? Yes. So, they just need to be made to remember. God, who certainly know this as He is all knowing, if this were the case, could have easily caused each one to miraculously remember. But we know that He had not done that. Instead that they will be taught of them, causing Moses to write them down and have the Levites teach the people, so they will know of them. And for sure God have a wise and good reason and purpose for that.
In one of your posts, you seem to be saying that God's giving of His Laws, Commandments and Statutes, is the covenant of God with Abraham.
Now consider, when scriptures say God remembered His covenant with Abraham, you are actually saying that God remembered His Laws, Commandments and Statutes He gave Abraham. But what actually "God remembered His covenant with Abraham" refers to is this:Exodus 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. 6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: 7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the Lord.
God was not there referring to His Laws, commandments and statutes, but refers to that which He swear to Abraham, as even to Isaac, and to Jacob, as can be learned in the passage above, and that, in covenant with each one of them.
Your preaching that they didn't know God's Way, and judgments, because they didn't exist, is another in a long line of false religious doctrines that you further on this forum.
Lie. I never preached that they didn't know God's Way, and judgments, because they didn't exist.
And does that not bring to mind anything with the new covenant concerning that? Unlike in this covenant where the law and commandments of God were written in tablets and must be taught to the people, in the new covenant, God will put His laws into the mind, and write them in the hearts of the people: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people, and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, for all shall know Him.So in your religion, did Moses mass produce tablets of stone and distribute them to each and every Israelite, and those who sojourned with them? Or were the tables of stone in the Sanctuary where ONLY the Levite, by Law, could touch and read them?
Please answer this question.
On the first question, No. On the second question, I think that was the case.
And what did the Christ promise in the New Covenant? Do we still have to find a Levite Priest to receive God's Law as in the First Covenant? Or did the Christ promise a New and better way to receive God's Laws, and have our sin stoned for?
Please answer this question?
On the first question, God said "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
On the second question, No. On the third question, Jesus Christ made a once and for all atonement for the people of God. And God's law is written in their minds and hearts instead of in tables of stone.
God not only gave to them that, but God gave them, through Moses, many other commandments, statutes, ordinances, regulations, and judgments (Exod. 20:22-23). In Exo. 24:3-4, we read, "And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.".You preach that this was the "Mosiac" covenant, but God's Laws, judgments and Commandments existed before Israel was even born. There can be no doubt that God gave Israel His Covenant with Abraham, which would include HIS Way, HIS Judgments and HIS Justice.
Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
You can see that in Exodus 24:7, Israel affirms the covenant and in verse 8, Moses formally ratified the (Mosaic) Covenant.
By "Mosaic covenant", I refer to the covenant that God made with the children of Israel whose mediator was Moses, at the time when God brought them out of Egypt spoken in Exodus. And that has nothing to do with the issue you are bringing up that God's Laws, judgments and Commandments existed before Israel was even born.
You said "There can be no doubt that God gave Israel His Covenant with Abraham". God did not give Israel His covenant with Abraham. God established His covenant with Abram (Abraham). He established His covenant with Isaac. He established it with Jacob (Israel). He made a covenant with the children of Israel whom He led out of Egypt at the time of Moses.
What is also a Biblical truth without doubt, is that Abraham, who Had God's Ways, judgment and justice, didn't have the Levitical Priesthood, as Levi wasn't even born yet. God "ADDED" this LAW to the existing Ways, Judgments and Justice of God that Abraham taught Isaac, and Isaac taught Jacob.
Why would you deny these Biblical truths?
Yes, there was no Levitical priesthood during the time of Abraham, but there was the priesthood order of Melchisedec.
If you know what God's covenant is with Abraham, you will find out that the "law" referred to that was added to God's covenant with Abraham, is all that which was given by God to Moses and written in the book of the Law. Paul knew of this book of the law and refers to it in his epistle to the church in Galatia.Gal.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do the
Now in Exodus 25-31, God gave them, through Moses, directions, instructions, ordinances, involving the Sanctuary, Ark of the Covenant, Table for the Showbread, Gold Lampstand, Tabernacle, Altar of Burnt Offering, Court of the Tabernacle, Care of the Lampstand, Garments for the Priesthood, Ephod, Breastplate, Other Priestly Garments, Consecration of the priests (Levitical priesthood), service of the priests, sign of the Sabbath. These are all part of the covenant that God made with the children of Israel during the Exodus. Are some of these not mentioned and referred to in Hebrews 8 & 9? Yes?
No, the duties of the Levitical Priest were exclusive to the Levites. No Children of Israel were allowed in the Sanctuary, nor could they even touch the Arc of the Covenant, nor the Table of Showbread, not the golden Lampstand, nor could they enter the Tabernacle, nor could they partake of the Priesthood "Works" regarding the Alter of burnt offering, nor could they wear the garments of the Priesthood, or the Ephod, or the Breastplate, nor could they consecrate the Priests, nor perform any service of the Priests.
And I never spoken about duties of the Levites. The scriptures speaks for itself to whom the office of the priesthood was given. But at least you don't deny anything else in my post.
But the Sabbath, was not among these Priesthood duties. It was directed specifically to the people. The Priest's were allowed to perform "work" on God's Sabbaths that no other Israelite were allowed to perform.
Never said anything that it was. What we can learn in those scriptures cited about the sabbath, is that one of the reasons why they were to keep God's Sabbath, is because it is a sign between God and the Israelites, and that they may know that God is Him that doth sanctify them. And that every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death.
But of course you don't or won't keep, observe, and enforce this law, do you?
And this Priesthood did not exist before Exodus. But the Very commandment of HIS Holy Sabbath references the sanctification and blessing of this judgment of God at creation. Adultery was known to Abimelech, Abraham knew of the Passover Lamb, Noah knew God's Definition of clean and unclean animals, Noah's son knew God's Laws regarding looking on the nakedness of their father.
Yes it did not. But there was a priesthood even before that. The order of Melchisedec.
What scriptures says those who lived before the Law was given to Moses knew, we should accept and believe, no more, no less. We can speculate, but not to take our speculation as though the truth is what we speculate. We are not to go beyond what is written. We must be faithful to what revelation is given us in scriptures. It is what God intended for us to know, at least in this life.
Your preaching that God's Ways, Justice, Judgments, Commandments, Statutes, and Laws didn't exist before Exodus is a false teaching. Not because I say so, but because the Word's of God says so.
Lie. I never preach such GB. And don't let your opinion appear as though it is what scriptures says.
As a side, my observation in scriptures is that, the revelation of God concerning Himself, isn't a one time thing. It is spread out throughout time and in His time. He reveals His will, commandments, laws, judgment, ordinances at many times and in various ways
, according to His plan and purpose. That we have to acknowledge and be aware of. But in these last days He has spoken to us by his Son, who is the exact representation of His being, being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person. In Him, God had fully revealed Himself to man. For Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, in whom dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Must you want to know God, know Jesus Christ. For the mystery of God is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. So, must you seek wisdom, you'll find it in Jesus Christ. Must you seek knowledge, you'll find it in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. So, must you seek the way, you'll find it in Jesus Christ. Must you seek the truth, you'll find it in Jesus Christ. Must you seek life, you'll find it in Jesus Christ. Seek and you shall find, in Jesus Christ.
Not for long, the children of Israel had broken the covenant with God (Exod. 32). God's wrath was upon them who had corrupted themselves. God offered to destroy all the rebellious Israelites that day. But Moses had obtained God's promise to renew the covenant bond with Israel. In Exodus 34, God directed him to restore the covenant revelation, by having the Ten Commandments re-inscribed on two new stone tablets. You see, Israel's initial relationship with God at Sinai, which was characterized by the ten commandments, and the simple Covenant Code I had just written about in the foregoing paragraphs, is now represented by the ten commandments, other statutes, ordinances, judgments, and the complex and restrictive laws of the Code of the Priests ~ (Exod. 21-31, 34-Lev. 16).
No, Israel's relationship with God prompted God to create and give Israel a Priesthood that had never existed before then. Sin, as defined by God, was in the world in the very beginning.
Sin was not in the world in the beginning. Sin came only when Adam disobeyed God. Before that, sin was not in the world.
As Paul explains.
Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Added to what? God's Ways and Judgments. Transgression of what? God's Ways and Judgments known to man since Abel gave an acceptable sacrifice to God.
Nothing new said.
Scriptures speaks of a time when the law was not given or that there was no law yet.Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 4 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Verse 4 points to that time as that from Adam until Moses.
Also, in relation to this, Paul speaks of living a time in his life without the law.Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Still in relation to this, we have scriptures speaking of people who have not the law.Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
What do you say about all these scriptures that speak of an era and a people and a time in one's life, without the law? What law is referred by Paul in those scriptures?
You didn't even know God made a Covenant with Levi until I showed you the truth about this. Then you never knew God created a Priesthood on behalf of Israel, until I showed you point blank, that God did indeed make His Covenant with Levi on Israel's behalf.
Is my acknowledging of a lack of knowledge concerning God's covenant with Levi not enough that you keep pointing that out? Must I thank you again?
If you had shown me scriptures that teach what you teach, I would certainly accept and believe said scriptures and believe as you do. But otherwise, I'll be taking your teaching as not supported by scriptures.
Each time you are being shown the truth, you tell me I am in error.
So again, I am showing you the truth of the scriptures, and you are still accusing me of being in error, completely oblivious to what has just happened to your own religious doctrines.
If you had been showing the truth, there is no reason for me to say that. But obviously you aren't showing me God's truth, but rather, your truth.
What you are showing is your truth, and scriptures which you make out to be saying your truth.
Until you can admit to the Biblical truth that God's Judgments existed before Sinai, you will never understand the Covenant that changed.
Everything of God existed even in the beginning with God. Until you learn to acknowledge that God reveals His will, commandments, laws, judgment, ordinances at many times and in various ways
, according to His plan and purpose, and not a one time revelation, you will not understand the Covenant that was replaced by the new covenant in Christ Jesus.