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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #35 on: Mon Dec 16, 2019 - 06:52:11 »
HEAR!! HEAR!!

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The very idea of some particular day of the week as a  "day of worship" is foreign to the whole of the Bible.

I would say not...
Isaiah 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #36 on: Mon Dec 16, 2019 - 07:14:27 »
All that you have done is copied and pasted your church position, which I have no problem with~I will read this later when I have more time and answer your post even though you truly have not addressed mine personally.  I would hate to know that I blindly follow other's teachings without the ability to confirm either way for or against it~ Nevertheless, you must live with that and its end results
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #37 on: Mon Dec 16, 2019 - 07:22:49 »
I would say not...
Isaiah 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Seriously??  None of those passages say anything at all about any day of the week as a "day of worship".  Therefore I have no idea why you even posted them.

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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #38 on: Mon Dec 16, 2019 - 07:39:49 »
Seriously??  None of those passages say anything at all about any day of the week as a "day of worship".  Therefore I have no idea why you even posted them.

Then it appears we really have nothing to go over, as its clear what it says, yet you state you "have no idea why" it is posted.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #39 on: Mon Dec 16, 2019 - 07:44:17 »
Then we really have nothing to go over, as its clear what it says, yet you state you "have no idea why" it is posted.
Obviously you have no idea why either, since it was not even relevant.

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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #40 on: Mon Dec 16, 2019 - 07:48:11 »
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Whether you want to believe it or not, you are the natural man that Paul was eluding to in that passage.  You are not divinely inspired as was Paul, the other apostles and prophets which is the whole point of chapter 2.

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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #41 on: Thu Aug 19, 2021 - 07:00:20 »
I guess the "Sabbath" is something you fail to understand or worse even want to, as even the antichrist entity, the Papacy has finally admitted the "Sabbath"  https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/277423......but claims it has authority to change it...
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #42 on: Fri Aug 20, 2021 - 11:38:52 »
I guess the "Sabbath" is something you fail to understand or worse even want to, as even the antichrist entity, the Papacy has finally admitted the "Sabbath"  https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/277423......but claims it has authority to change it...

I have a valid question for you.

For those of us ( me included) who do not observe the biblical Sabbath... Saturdey... or more correctly as the Jews did of days of old...  Friday Sundown or 6PM to Saturday Sundown to 6 PM is it your belief that none shall be saved.

Please answer yes or no.

Bearimg in mind, while

The Sabbath day that the bible speaks about is Saturday, the seventh day of the week (Genesis 2:2-3, Leviticus 23:2-3). The Jews have always considered a day to be the interval from sunset to sunset, and they have always observed the Sabbath from Friday evening until Saturday evening. Modern Jews continue the tradition of observing a holy day of rest on the Sabbath (Shabbat in Hebrew) from sunset Friday until nightfall Saturday. The Old Testament law prohibited doing any work on the Sabbath, and one could receive the death penalty for breaking this law (Numbers 15:32-36).

But, enter Jesus...

Jesus observed the Sabbath (Luke 4:16) and never suggested a change to Sunday. He did, however, reject a strict legalistic interpretation of the Old Testament commandment. He said Sabbath observance was not a duty that mankind owed to God. Rather, God made the Sabbath as a day of rest for mankind's benefit (Mark 2:27). Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict Jewish rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18).


Does the non Saturday observance of the Sabbath mean that those of us doing so will not be saved?

Thanks.

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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #43 on: Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 14:50:57 »
Obviously you have no idea why either, since it was not even relevant.
Notice the " from one sabbath to another", so it is relevant.

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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #44 on: Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 15:24:58 »
I have a valid question for you.

For those of us ( me included) who do not observe the biblical Sabbath... Saturdey... or more correctly as the Jews did of days of old...  Friday Sundown or 6PM to Saturday Sundown to 6 PM is it your belief that none shall be saved.

Please answer yes or no.

Bearimg in mind, while

The Sabbath day that the bible speaks about is Saturday, the seventh day of the week (Genesis 2:2-3, Leviticus 23:2-3). The Jews have always considered a day to be the interval from sunset to sunset, and they have always observed the Sabbath from Friday evening until Saturday evening. Modern Jews continue the tradition of observing a holy day of rest on the Sabbath (Shabbat in Hebrew) from sunset Friday until nightfall Saturday. The Old Testament law prohibited doing any work on the Sabbath, and one could receive the death penalty for breaking this law (Numbers 15:32-36).

But, enter Jesus...

Jesus observed the Sabbath (Luke 4:16) and never suggested a change to Sunday. He did, however, reject a strict legalistic interpretation of the Old Testament commandment. He said Sabbath observance was not a duty that mankind owed to God. Rather, God made the Sabbath as a day of rest for mankind's benefit (Mark 2:27). Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict Jewish rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18).


Does the non Saturday observance of the Sabbath mean that those of us doing so will not be saved?

Thanks.


Salvation is a private issue, handled by God in relation to humanity on an individual bases. All who consistently reject truth, which they know and understand to be so, will be lost. God alone knows exactly who that is.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

When however, this issue of truth or error regarding God's Sabbath is agitated on a global scale, as it surely will and already has many been times over in more localized settings, the situation will change. When in fact the spurious man made sabbath of Sunday sacredness is exalted above God's law and Sabbath by human laws in direct defiance of the same, those choosing the former over the latter will be in a lost condition. The issue of worshipping God or self, in relation to submitting to His or human commands, will be the final and simple test for humanity. God will make the final choice as simple for humanity as possible, right before He returns unto execution of judgment. Choose submission to authority based upon His Holy scriptures, or choose submission to the usurped authority of fallen humanity under the guiding influence and direction of the evil one Himself.

So the simple answer is no, not yet. But when truth and error are simply and conclusively juxtaposed by the will of God Himself before all, shortly before His return, every decision will be made with eternal consequence. Choose submission to God and His word or authority, or choose submission to fallen humanities word or authority. Then the end. As the prophecies of the bible have clearly delineated for us in the book of Revelation especially.
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Re: The end time order of events and biblical timeline.
« Reply #45 on: Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 16:09:11 »
I guess the "Sabbath" is something you fail to understand or worse even want to, as even the antichrist entity, the Papacy has finally admitted the "Sabbath"  https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/277423......but claims it has authority to change it...
Col 2:16  Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

 

     
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