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The Sabbath will be the final test....
« on: Sat Nov 04, 2017 - 17:18:43 »
I came across this and it shows how the Sabbath will be the final test of those who love the Lord and those who rebel against Him. Take a look...

"The Final Test...Satan’s war against God and His authority has focused upon the character of God and His law from the very beginning, and it will escalate just before Jesus comes the second time.

Jesus must have known that Satan would tempt us to doubt our need to obey God’s law, for He emphasized that our obedience is a demonstration of our love to Him: “If you love Me, keep My commandments. . . . If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.” John 14:15; 15:10. John the beloved wrote, “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.” 1 John 5:3.

The fourth of the ten commandments reminds us to keep the seventh-day Sabbath:

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:8-11....

During His earthly life, Jesus affirmed what day is the true “Lord’s day”: “The Son of Man is . . . Lord of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:28.

In the book of Revelation, chapter 14, John tells us that he saw three angels flying in the heavens. As the first of those three angels calls all people to worship God, it is interesting to note that he uses language similar to what we read above in the fourth commandment. Note also that these three messages focus on the issue of who we worship:

“Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people—saying with a loud voice, ‘Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.’ And another angel followed, saying, ‘Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.’ Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ‘If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:6-12.

This issue of worship is indicated by man’s choice whether he will honor the true Sabbath of God or the false Sabbath that man established:

...As the Protestant churches reject the clear, Scriptural arguments in defense of God’s law, they will long to silence those whose faith they cannot overthrow by the Bible. Though they blind their own eyes to the fact, they are now adopting a course which will lead to the persecution of those who conscientiously refuse to do what the rest of the Christian world are doing, and acknowledge the claims of the papal sabbath.

The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet’s words: “The dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Revelation 12:17....."


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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #1 on: Sat Nov 04, 2017 - 17:28:30 »
We must not back down or accept any excuse as to why the Sabbath God made for man at Creation is not the Holy day of rest and let a false substitute be put in. Everyone can see now it was instituted by the Papal church and not in any way by the apostles, or Christ or the Father, it is from another source which lied to Eve, and is the father of lies and has fooled a great amount of the world. But now is the time in which they can see the truth and decide..

If you think laws wont be made that enforce a day of worship, and wonder what lies ahead for Protestantism, read the following:The Great Controversy
https://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=GC&lang=en&pagenumber=582

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #2 on: Sun Nov 05, 2017 - 14:23:49 »
At the end, it will be the reason persecution again resurfaces against the saints...
"And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced; and that those who present the claims of the fourth commandment, thus destroying reverence for Sunday, are troublers of the people, preventing their restoration to divine favor and temporal prosperity. Thus the accusation urged of old against the servant of God will be repeated and upon grounds equally well established: “And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and thou hast followed Baalim.” 1 Kings 18:17, 18. As the wrath of the people shall be excited by false charges, they will pursue a course toward God's ambassadors very similar to that which apostate Israel pursued toward Elijah. "GC 590.1

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #3 on: Sun Nov 05, 2017 - 21:08:04 »
LOL.

Test for WHAT? Salvation?

No.

Plus, i am sure you turn a light on, cook a meal or travel on Saturdays.

So, you really ARENT keeping the sabbath.

Keeping it "spiritually" rather than ACTUALLY is a copout and nonsense
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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #4 on: Mon Nov 06, 2017 - 18:46:33 »
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LOL.
Test for WHAT? Salvation?
No.
Plus, i am sure you turn a light on, cook a meal or travel on Saturdays.
So, you really ARENT keeping the sabbath.
Keeping it "spiritually" rather than ACTUALLY is a copout and nonsense

Playtime is over. It's become time Sundayworshippers are put in their place. LOL. Sundaykeeping is become a test for WHAT? Salvation?
Yes!
Plus, i am sure you turn a light on, cook a meal or travel on Sundays. So, you really AREN'T keeping the sabbath Sundays. Keeping sabbath Sundays ACTUALLY rather than "spiritually" is a cop-out and nonsense
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« Reply #5 on: Mon Nov 06, 2017 - 19:13:38 »
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If you think laws wont be made that enforce a day of worship, and wonder what lies ahead for Protestantism, read the following:The Great Controversy

Dear Hobie,
If you think the laws which really matter and MOST EFFECTIVELY AND INVIOLABLY enforce Sunday as the day of all Christians' worship have not been made already, and you still wonder what lies ahead for every citizen in the New World Order, read any modern, 'dynamic equivalent' or 'everyone's', translation of the Bible in any language on earth, NOW.
You are hundred years behind the times.

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #6 on: Fri Nov 10, 2017 - 09:42:55 »
Dear Hobie,
If you think the laws which really matter and MOST EFFECTIVELY AND INVIOLABLY enforce Sunday as the day of all Christians' worship have not been made already, and you still wonder what lies ahead for every citizen in the New World Order, read any modern, 'dynamic equivalent' or 'everyone's', translation of the Bible in any language on earth, NOW.
You are hundred years behind the times.

Will you not share with us, the translations which support your claims? Please do.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Nov 10, 2017 - 22:10:17 »
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Playtime is over. It's become time Sundayworshippers are put in their place. LOL. Sundaykeeping is become a test for WHAT? Salvation?
Yes!

Who is playing? I certainly am not.

So, REALLY?

Your salvation is NOT in Jesus and what He did on the cross, but on what YOU do on saturdays?

Hey, by all means take moses. I will take Jesus any day.


Plus, i am sure you turn a light on, cook a meal or travel on Sundays. So, you really AREN'T keeping the sabbath Sundays. Keeping sabbath Sundays ACTUALLY rather than "spiritually" is a cop-out and nonsense

No answer? Do you turn a light on? A heater? The stove? Do you travel more than 3,049.5 feet on saturdays?

If you do, you are NOT keeping the sabbath.


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« Reply #8 on: Sat Nov 11, 2017 - 08:44:32 »
No answer? Do you turn a light on? A heater? The stove? Do you travel more than 3,049.5 feet on saturdays?

If you do, you are NOT keeping the sabbath.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I'm not sure which commandment you are getting your info from, but it clearly is not from the fourth commandment. Perhaps you could at least attempt to back up your above assertion with scripture.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Nov 12, 2017 - 21:45:03 »
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I'm not sure which commandment you are getting your info from, but it clearly is not from the fourth commandment. Perhaps you could at least attempt to back up your above assertion with scripture.

so, u keep the old testament law?

when was your last animal sacrifice?

so, are you admitting you dong keep the sabbath laws?


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« Reply #10 on: Mon Nov 13, 2017 - 04:50:18 »
so, u keep the old testament law?

when was your last animal sacrifice?

so, are you admitting you dong keep the sabbath laws?

Matthew 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Nov 13, 2017 - 07:33:38 »
Jesus declared He was Lord of the Sabbath; His authority was far greater than that of Mosaic law, and the point that He was attempting to make against the legalistic pharisees was that it was good to do good on any day.
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« Reply #12 on: Mon Nov 13, 2017 - 07:50:50 »
Rom 14:5  One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6  The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Nov 15, 2017 - 17:39:30 »
Matthew 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So, what are you saying? you keep the sabbath part but not the animal sacrifice laws?

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Nov 17, 2017 - 08:07:25 »
so, u keep the old testament law?

when was your last animal sacrifice?

so, are you admitting you dong keep the sabbath laws?

Jesus did not say keep all the rules and regulations the Scribes and Pharisees added to God's fourth commandment. He said to keep the commandments of God. He also said that the temple where animal sacrifices took place representing Him, would be no more. He taught all that He was the true sacrifice needed, not the animal sacrifices which only pointed to Him. Maybe you should pay more attention to what Jesus said, than what the man in the pulpit of your church is saying. Jesus' words are truth and life. The man in the pulpit of your church cannot add or take anything away from the words and teachings of Jesus but at his own peril. Go to the source of all truth and life Jesus Christ. Here we are, show us where Jesus said not to keep the fourth commandment anymore, or any other anywhere.  You have already been shown where He said to keep all the commandments of God. Will you direct us to a higher authority than Jesus Christ? If so, you do so at your own peril.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri Nov 17, 2017 - 08:16:43 »
Jesus did not say keep all the rules and regulations the Scribes and Pharisees added to God's fourth commandment. He said to keep the commandments of God. He also said that the temple where animal sacrifices took place representing Him, would be no more. He taught all that He was the true sacrifice needed, not the animal sacrifices which only pointed to Him. Maybe you should pay more attention to what Jesus said, than what the man in the pulpit of your church is saying. Jesus' words are truth and life. The man in the pulpit of your church cannot add or take anything away from the words and teachings of Jesus but at his own peril. Go to the source of all truth and life Jesus Christ. Here we are, show us where Jesus said not to keep the fourth commandment anymore, or any other anywhere.  You have already been shown where He said to keep all the commandments of God. Will you direct us to a higher authority than Jesus Christ? If so, you do so at your own peril.


You as well. What exactly did Jesus mean when He said that "I am lord of the Sabbath"?

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« Reply #16 on: Fri Nov 17, 2017 - 08:50:02 »

You as well. What exactly did Jesus mean when He said that "I am lord of the Sabbath"?

Here we are. Share Jesus' words that I am contradicting. Jesus meant exactly what He said. He created this world and everything in it, including the seventh day Sabbath which He established at creation. Oh, that's right, your a "Christian" evolutionist. You don't even believe the creation account of Genesis, therefore of course the Sabbath wasn't really instituted at creation by Jesus, and then Jesus lied about this to Israel when He spoke the fourth commandment to Israel and wrote it for them with His own hand. It is no surprise you care little about the Sabbath as you care little about a lot of other scripture as well. To the contrary, if the Sabbath commandment is truth, then you have chosen to believe the lie of evolution. It certainly does you well then, to deny its significance. Please do tell, what a "Christian" evolutionist thinks Jesus meant when He said He was lord of the Sabbath.

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #18 on: Fri Nov 17, 2017 - 22:06:16 »
https://www.gotquestions.org/Lord-of-the-Sabbath.html


.....and furthermore....


https://www.gotquestions.org/Saturday-Sunday.html

Same old lies, twisted assumptions, and presumptions that have been addressed on these threads over and over again. Jesus absolutely did not change the fourth or any other commandment, or establish a new day of worship. Such is pure fiction. To the contrary, He conclusively stated that He did not come to change any of them, nor could or would they be changed but by those who will be reckoned least in the kingdom of heaven.

The seventh day Sabbath was unquestionably established at creation. Moses' brief history of the first two thousand years of humanity does not address the keeping of the fourth or any other commandment for that matter. This is no evidence that there was no law at the time though, just that any issues related to the same were not addressed in the bibles extremely condensed historical account of humanities first 2000 years. We are told though, that the thoughts and intents of humanity prior to the flood were only evil, and that they were warned of coming judgment because of the same. Which warning no doubt pointed out the contrast between their evil behavior and some standard of good they were ignoring or rejecting.

Apart from this, we have the testimony that Abraham kept God's laws, commandments, and statutes before they themselves were recorded in scripture. This proves that they were around before being recorded in Moses' written historical accounts. I'm not sure what any of this means to an evolutionist such as yourself though. If in fact the Genesis creation, fall,  and flood accounts are not real history, why would any of this matter? Why or even how could you choose to believe as I do, or as the links you posted claim, and still be consistent with your evolutionary beliefs?

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Nov 18, 2017 - 08:47:58 »
Same old lies, twisted assumptions, and presumptions that have been addressed on these threads over and over again. Jesus absolutely did not change the fourth or any other commandment, or establish a new day of worship.
The Sabbath was never a "day of worship".  It was a day of rest.

And of course you have to realize that Jesus never changed anything about the Law of Moses.  He was a Jew under the old covenant and spoke to Jews who were also under the old covenant.  What He said was always in keeping with and always consistent with the old covenant.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Nov 18, 2017 - 10:32:23 »
The Sabbath was never a "day of worship".  It was a day of rest.

And of course you have to realize that Jesus never changed anything about the Law of Moses.  He was a Jew under the old covenant and spoke to Jews who were also under the old covenant.  What He said was always in keeping with and always consistent with the old covenant.

Yes, a sanctified day of rest from the cares of this world in order to devote time more specifically to the God of creation. Worship course being aa acceptable form of the same. Jesus Christ spoke the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to all of humanity unto salvation for all who will believe. The entire purpose of the old covenant was to maintain the truth of the everlasting covenant which encompasses the old and new covenants.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.


That seed was Christ our Lord.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Nov 18, 2017 - 10:39:53 »
Yes, a sanctified day of rest from the cares of this world in order to devote time more specifically to the God of creation. Worship course being aa acceptable form of the same. Jesus Christ spoke the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to all of humanity unto salvation for all who will believe. The entire purpose of the old covenant was to maintain the truth of the everlasting covenant which encompasses the old and new covenants.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.


That seed was Christ our Lord.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


The Sabbath was never a "day of worship".  It was a day of rest.

And of course you have to realize that Jesus never changed anything about the Law of Moses.  He was a Jew under the old covenant and spoke to Jews who were also under the old covenant.  What He said was always in keeping with and always consistent with the old covenant.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat Nov 18, 2017 - 15:54:21 »
The Sabbath was never a "day of worship".  It was a day of rest.

And of course you have to realize that Jesus never changed anything about the Law of Moses.  He was a Jew under the old covenant and spoke to Jews who were also under the old covenant.  What He said was always in keeping with and always consistent with the old covenant.

Resting on the Sabbath in accord with God's commandment is an act of worship. The Sabbath is associated with worship in all who obey the commandment by faith in God's word in acknowledgement of His creative power and worthiness to be worshiped as our creator. The bible does not support the idea that the Sabbath is disconnected from worshiping God. This is your own chosen belief, not one based upon scriptural testimony.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Eze 46:1Thus saith the Lord God; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened. 2 And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. 3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons. 4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the Lord in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish. 5 And the meat offering shall be an ephah for a ram, and the meat offering for the lambs as he shall be able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.


Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ put a complete end to the animal sacrifices of the old covenant temple according to the laws of Moses, and ended the temple as the place of worship as well for the new covenant era. He left the temple of Israel desolate, and replaced it with the temple of his body, which includes His true church of which body He is the head. All of these changes ended many particulars of the laws of Moses pertaining to the same, nevertheless, this was also according to the exact purpose of the old covenant. Which covenant was always meant to be fulfilled and renewed through the new covenant in Christ Jesus our Lord.  This all according to God's everlasting covenant in the salvation of humanity through Christ Jesus our Lord, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #25 on: Tue Nov 21, 2017 - 02:58:11 »
Resting on the Sabbath in accord with God's commandment is an act of worship.

So were animal sacrifices.

You guys love putting yourselves ABOVE others, yet you are hypocrites as you do NOT "keep" the sabbath as you BREAK the rules of the sabbath.

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #26 on: Tue Nov 21, 2017 - 05:52:00 »
Resting on the Sabbath in accord with God's commandment is an act of worship. The Sabbath is associated with worship in all who obey the commandment by faith in God's word in acknowledgement of His creative power and worthiness to be worshiped as our creator. The bible does not support the idea that the Sabbath is disconnected from worshiping God. This is your own chosen belief, not one based upon scriptural testimony.
Who said anything about the Sabbath being disconnected from worshiping God?  The other six days were not disconnected from worshiping God either.  So what?  That has nothing to do with what God commanded about the Sabbath.  I repeat; the Sabbath was never a day set aside for worship; rather it was a day set aside for rest.

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« Reply #27 on: Wed Nov 22, 2017 - 21:14:56 »
So were animal sacrifices.

You guys love putting yourselves ABOVE others, yet you are hypocrites as you do NOT "keep" the sabbath as you BREAK the rules of the sabbath.

Yes, and we know animal sacrifices are no more because the NT teaches us that Christ was the sacrifice they only pointed to. Are you not claiming to be better than us, when you declare us to be hypocrites? Or do you admit you are one as well? Exactly what rules do you claim we are breaking?

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« Reply #28 on: Wed Nov 22, 2017 - 21:26:00 »
Who said anything about the Sabbath being disconnected from worshiping God?  The other six days were not disconnected from worshiping God either.  So what?  That has nothing to do with what God commanded about the Sabbath.  I repeat; the Sabbath was never a day set aside for worship; rather it was a day set aside for rest.

Say whatever you wish, as many times as you wish, it will never make anything so. Keeping the Sabbath is an act of worship. It is a demonstration of faith in action. A day to understand and contemplate our right relation to God. He is the creator, and we are His created. If a day set aside to do this is not a day of worship, then what is a day of worship? Here we are, tell us what a day of worship really is, which the Sabbath definitely is not.

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Jesus declared He was Lord of the Sabbath; His authority was far greater than that of Mosaic law, and the point that He was attempting to make against the legalistic pharisees was that it was good to do good on any day.

Hey pal, you're a chancer hey?! Jesus was not 'attempting' like you are to score points for Sunday-worship even though only one sixth out of seven the Seventh Day has and the other 6 days must share according to your religion. He made a statement, a Divine statement for your information, that "It is good to do good ON THE SABBATH". Please for your own safety, don't think your keeping Sunday holy 1 sixth, makes good for contravening the Law against lying.

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #31 on: Mon Dec 04, 2017 - 08:24:38 »
If a day set aside to do this is not a day of worship, then what is a day of worship? Here we are, tell us what a day of worship really is, which the Sabbath definitely is not.
You look it up in the Bible and then come back and tell us what the Bible says about a day of worship.  And please be specific in your answer.  Give us the passage of Scripture that you are using as the basis for your answer.

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You look it up in the Bible and then come back and tell us what the Bible says about a day of worship.  And please be specific in your answer.  Give us the passage of Scripture that you are using as the basis for your answer.

It's not that 4WD hasn't got a forward gear in his gearbox. It's because he drives his 4WD on its spare wheel which sits transverse, that he cannot make progress.

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Re: The Sabbath will be the final test....
« Reply #33 on: Mon Dec 04, 2017 - 08:43:14 »
It's not that 4WD hasn't got a forward gear in his gearbox. It's because he drives his 4WD on its spare wheel which sits transverse, that he cannot make progress.
That doesn't make any more sense than so much of what you post here.  Rather than trying to be cute or clever, which you aren't, why don't you answer the question for Amo since he probably can't.

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Who said anything about the Sabbath being disconnected from worshiping God?  The other six days were not disconnected from worshiping God either.  So what?  That has nothing to do with what God commanded about the Sabbath.  I repeat; the Sabbath was never a day set aside for worship; rather it was a day set aside for rest.

Ridiculous. 'Worshipping God' on God's Command, makes the Sabbath 'a day set aside for worship' by God's Command.

God's Commanding the Sabbath "an holy convocation", makes the Sabbath 'a day set aside for worship' by God's Command -- FOR WORSHIP! What else?!

God's Commanding the Sabbath "wherein you shall do no work", makes the Sabbath 'a day set aside for worship' by God's Command  -- FOR WORSHIP! What else?!

GOD, 'setting aside' the Sabbath "for being the Sabbath OF THE LORD", is 'setting aside' the Sabbath for it being THE Day FOR the worship of HIM, WHO, set it aside BECAUSE "IT IS the Sabbath OF THE LORD"!

God having set the Sabbath apart for the People of God "in your houses" 'set it apart' -- "sanctified" it, "hallowed" it, "blessed" it  FOR WHAT ON EARTH THAN FOR HIS WORSHIP BY HIS PEOPLE AS FAMILIES LIVING AND WORSHIPPING GOD "IN THEIR HOUSES"?!