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The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:15:55 »
....but who are the Remnant?

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The Adventist church teaches Gods Commandments and has the Testimony of Jesus Christ through the Spirit of Prophecy, but what of each of the members, do they become the remnant?

Only those who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ will be part of the remnant at the end, so those that do not hold on to this or accept it, cannot be the Remnant. If some  brethren pick up strange philosophies, or private interpretations or letting go of the truth or stop believing in the testimonies given through the Spirit of Prophecy, even a hardening of the heart against the truth that they once loved, how can they be part of the Remnant of Revelation? Each one individually has to chose and accept the truth given to them.

So what about other Christians, what truth will they have to accept to be part of the Remant as given in Revelation?

Is it different than what truth the thief at the cross had to accept......?


Well lets take a look at what is to make the Remnant of God, or Spiritual Israel at the End Times. Throughout the ages, God has had a people through whom He chose to disseminate His truth. It was God’s plan that all people - every nation, tribe and tongue should become partakers of His grace. In His divine plan of restoration, He chose fallen human beings to become co-workers together with Him to achieve this end. God has always had faithful followers who would stand for truth and justice even in the face of great opposition. Before the flood, Enoch walked with God, and faithful Noah became the father of the post-flood human race, when he and his family were the only remnant to be saved from the destruction of the then-time apostate world.

After the flood, the patriarch Abraham was given the promise that through his seed all peoples would be blessed. (Genesis 12:2) The Messianic promise was to be realized through Isaac and Jacob whose name was changed to Israel after he wrestled with God for divine forgiveness and blessing. (Genesis 32:28) “Israel

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #1 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:17:18 »
Don't SDA's consider the Bible and Ellen G. White's writings to be equally inspired and authoritative?

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:23:51 »
Don't SDA's consider the Bible and Ellen G. White's writings to be equally inspired and authoritative?
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No, Ellen White herself said she was the lesser of the lights given to the movement and everyone must first study and learn the truths from scriptures before anything else.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:32:46 »
From the SDA publication "Ministry" October 1981:

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:45:29 »
From the SDA publication "Ministry" October 1981:

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".


They can give their opinion, but Ellen White was very careful to make it clear that Gods word is above all, it is the standard for all of Gods people and I feel that is why this is written as the first of the fundemental beliefs...

Fundamental Beliefs

Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures. These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church's understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture. Revision of these statements may be expected at a General Conference session when the church is led by the Holy Spirit to a fuller understanding of Bible truth or finds better language in which to express the teachings of God's Holy Word.

1. Holy Scriptures:
The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God's acts in history. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Ps. 119:105; Prov. 30:5, 6; Isa. 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12.)

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #5 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:48:22 »
A great statement on the Bible - pretty much all evangelical churches believe the same thing - but it's not the statement of how EGW's writings are viewed and used.

Also, it is a dodge to keep referring to how EGW considered her writings, instead of how her followers view them.

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:48:56 »
Here is a better explanation...

"...I find this rather amazing that Ellen White specifically told the church not to use her as their source of truth, but learn from the truths from the bible. Amen.

Ellen White herself said: "Let all prove their positions from the Scriptures and substantiate every point they claim from the revealed Word of God."397 To the delegates of the General Conference in 1901, she said, "Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never [sic] quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. When you take the Bible and make that your food, and your meat, and your drink, and you make that the elements of your character, when you can do that you will know better how to receive some counsel from God. But here is the Word, the precious Word, exalted before you today. And don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' [sic]—'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.'398 ..."

"...The final court of appeal must always be the Bible.
This was the strong conviction of her husband James White who wrote: "There is a class of persons who are determined to have it that the Review and its conductors make the views of Mrs. White a test of doctrine and Christian fellowship. . . . What has the Review to do with Mrs. White's views? The sentiments published in its columns are all drawn form the Holy Scriptures. No writer of the Review has ever referred to them as authority on any point. . . . It's motto has been, 'The Bible, and the Bible alone, the only rule of faith and duty.'. . .


"Every Christian is therefore duty bound to take the Bible as the perfect rule of faith and duty. He should pray fervently to be aided by the Holy Spirit in searching the Scriptures for the whole truth, and for his whole duty. He is not at liberty to turn from them to learn his duty through any of the gifts. We say that the very moment he does, he places the gifts in a wrong place, and takes an extremely dangerous position."395
He could see that, very early in Adventism, some were inclined to give her writings an authority over and above the Scriptural authority for the work of a prophet. "They conclude that if it be true that God is reviving some of the gifts, 'for the comfort of his people, and correct those who err from Bible truth.' That all errors would at once be corrected by these gifts, and the church be saved the trouble of searching the Word for truth to expose error. . . . They would put the gifts where they do not belong. . . . The revival of any, or all of the gifts, will never supersede the necessity of searching the Word to learn the truth."396 ...."

"...the Bible is its own interpreter and every Christian is free to study the Bible (guided by the Holy Spirit) to find truth for themselves. The following points support James White in his stand:

1. Jesus left a promise to His Church. "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." ( John 14:25-26)

2. Recognising this point and practicing it is part of being Protestant. The Catholic Church tried to impose upon Christians the role of the pope as the infallible interpreter of Scripture. This concept was rejected by Protestants, because it violated the principle of sola Scriptures. Besides, once you have any external authority telling you what the Bible means, you make that authority more powerful than the Bible itself.

3.The Bible is a completed book. Hebrews 1:1 gives the reason for this, "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son. . . . " The generation of Jesus' day were taught by Christ and individuals wrote down what they had learned. Jesus was the fullest, most complete revelation of God. Nothing that comes after Him will ever add to or eclipse the revelation of God in Him. All that comes after will be but a reflection of the light that shone through Him. Therefore the work of prophets is to call people back to study and obey that final, complete, revelation in Jesus. The work of prophets is to point out duties already revealed and neglected...."excerpted from MORE THAN A PROPHET ... by Graeme Bradford.

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #7 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 09:51:22 »
A great statement on the Bible - pretty much all evangelical churches believe the same thing - but it's not the statement of how EGW's writings are viewed and used.

Also, it is a dodge to keep referring to how EGW considered her writings, instead of how her followers view them.

They must not make that mistake of raising her above Gods word, they must be viligent to not go down that path...

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #8 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 10:08:38 »
Well, again, what EGW or her husband might have said doesn't really bear on how her writings are used in actual practice today.

Does the baptismal vow still include this affirmation? "Do you accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and do you believe that the gift of prophecy in the remnant church is one of the identifying marks of that church?"



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« Reply #9 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 10:33:37 »
Well, again, what EGW or her husband might have said doesn't really bear on how her writings are used in actual practice today.

Does the baptismal vow still include this affirmation? "Do you accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and do you believe that the gift of prophecy in the remnant church is one of the identifying marks of that church?"


Of course the gift of prophecy in the remnant church is one of the identifying marks of that church, thats the whole premise of this thread. If they listen to what Ellen White said and wrote down, there would be no issue on her place as in many things. Just like if Christians listened to what Christ said about the Law, but what can you do.....
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« Reply #10 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 13:42:34 »
I'll take that as a yes - it is still included in the baptismal vow.

Has anyone other than EGW been recognized by the SDA as operating in that gift of prophecy?

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 13:58:24 »
I'll take that as a yes - it is still included in the baptismal vow.

Has anyone other than EGW been recognized by the SDA as operating in that gift of prophecy?

I quess we need to do a overview of the history of the Adventist movement, I will see if I can put one together and post...

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« Reply #12 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 14:12:30 »
That's ok, I have a copy of the church manual right here...

Page 222 of that manual, under the appendix "Summary of Doctrinal Beliefs" says

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21. The church is to come behind in no gift, and the presence of the gift of prophecy is to be one of the identifying marks of the remnant church. (1 Cor. 1:5-7; 12:1-28; Amos 3:7; Hosea 12:10, 13; Rev. 12:17; 19:10. See pp. 15, 33, 34.)
Seventh-day Adventists recognize that this gift was manifested in the life and ministry of Ellen G. White.

I ask again: Has anyone other than EGW been recognized by the SDA as operating in that gift of prophecy?








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« Reply #13 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 14:41:23 »
That's ok, I have a copy of the church manual right here...

Page 222 of that manual, under the appendix "Summary of Doctrinal Beliefs" says

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21. The church is to come behind in no gift, and the presence of the gift of prophecy is to be one of the identifying marks of the remnant church. (1 Cor. 1:5-7; 12:1-28; Amos 3:7; Hosea 12:10, 13; Rev. 12:17; 19:10. See pp. 15, 33, 34.)
Seventh-day Adventists recognize that this gift was manifested in the life and ministry of Ellen G. White.

I ask again: Has anyone other than EGW been recognized by the SDA as operating in that gift of prophecy?









As for others there were some who said they had been given some of the same light she was given but decided not to tell others or keep it to themselves and so nothing came of it till they heard her preaching later on. I dont have their names but will look it up..

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« Reply #14 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 14:44:19 »
But as far as official recognition by the SDA church, the answer would be no, right?

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 14:51:08 »
But as far as official recognition by the SDA church, the answer would be no, right?

The Spirit of Prophecy was for the end times, to unveil what was to come up to the Second Coming which it has done. So the only other will be right at the end when the Holy Spirit is poured out and many shall prophesy and have dreams and visions.

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 14:54:51 »
Well, Peter identified what was happening right at that moment as the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel which he quoted in Acts 2, but it is accurate to say that right now, no one other than EGW is recognized by the SDA church as operating in the gift of prophecy.  Yes or no?



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« Reply #17 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 19:00:05 »
Well, Peter identified what was happening right at that moment as the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel which he quoted in Acts 2, but it is accurate to say that right now, no one other than EGW is recognized by the SDA church as operating in the gift of prophecy.  Yes or no?





It is in the Fundemantal Beliefs..
18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

Well rather than take someones word or the church's, why dont you honestly check out what she has written and see what you decide in your heart as the Holy Spirit guides you.   http://www.whiteestate.org/
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« Reply #18 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 21:44:40 »
Thanks, I'm reading a couple of books about her right now, "Seventh Day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen G. White" by J. Mark Martin and one by Walter Rea.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 22:11:36 »
Thanks, I'm reading a couple of books about her right now, "Seventh Day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen G. White" by J. Mark Martin and one by Walter Rea.

My brother, note the "honestly check out"... part.. there are some that seek the truth and others that fight against it. We must let the Holy Spirit guide us into Gods truth...

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 22:23:45 »
Thanks, I'm reading a couple of books about her right now, "Seventh Day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen G. White" by J. Mark Martin and one by Walter Rea.

My brother, note the "honestly check out"... part.. there are some that seek the truth and others that fight against it. We must let the Holy Spirit guide us into Gods truth...

If some folks "let the Holy Spirit guide.." themselves "..into God's truth," and find Ellen's writings to be false, and some folks that "let the Holy Spirit guide.." themselves "..into God's truth," this that Ellen's writings are not, who is right?


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« Reply #21 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 22:33:18 »
Thanks, I'm reading a couple of books about her right now, "Seventh Day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen G. White" by J. Mark Martin and one by Walter Rea.

My brother, note the "honestly check out"... part.. there are some that seek the truth and others that fight against it. We must let the Holy Spirit guide us into Gods truth...

If some folks "let the Holy Spirit guide.." themselves "..into God's truth," and find Ellen's writings to be false, and some folks that "let the Holy Spirit guide.." themselves "..into God's truth," this that Ellen's writings are not, who is right?



If you honestly read the "Desire of Ages" or "Steps to Christ" you will see it is Christ-center and glorifies Gods truth and is in harmony with His word. So the real question is if you fight against what is from God, who is right?

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 23:55:43 »
Thanks, I'm reading a couple of books about her right now, "Seventh Day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen G. White" by J. Mark Martin and one by Walter Rea.

My brother, note the "honestly check out"... part.. there are some that seek the truth and others that fight against it. We must let the Holy Spirit guide us into Gods truth...

If some folks "let the Holy Spirit guide.." themselves "..into God's truth," and find Ellen's writings to be false, and some folks that "let the Holy Spirit guide.." themselves "..into God's truth," this that Ellen's writings are not, who is right?



If you honestly read the "Desire of Ages" or "Steps to Christ" you will see it is Christ-center and glorifies Gods truth and is in harmony with His word. So the real question is if you fight against what is from God, who is right?

If you honestly read "Desire of Ages" or "Steps to Christ" among other writings of Ellen White, you will find that she was a false prophetess, and you would run away from this claimed "remnant church."

Making assertions about the conclusions that folks will make if they "honestly" read this or that does not make your case.  There is no evidence, only opinion and assertion.

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #23 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 00:30:53 »

Making assertions about the conclusions that folks will make if they "honestly" read this or that does not make your case.  There is no evidence, only opinion and assertion.


Gary, I have "honestly" considered things you have written and have concluded that, yes, you should be emperor for life.  Honestly.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 07:15:25 »
, but it is accurate to say that right now, no one other than EGW is recognized by the SDA church as operating in the gift of prophecy.  Yes or no?




It is in the Fundemantal Beliefs..
18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

So, in spite of the claim that EGW did not consider or call herself a "prophet" the SDA church does, and in fact recognizes no other person as having the gift of prophecy now or since the death of EGW.  Is this correct?

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 08:04:50 »
, but it is accurate to say that right now, no one other than EGW is recognized by the SDA church as operating in the gift of prophecy.  Yes or no?





It is in the Fundemantal Beliefs..
18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)


So, in spite of the claim that EGW did not consider or call herself a "prophet" the SDA church does, and in fact recognizes no other person as having the gift of prophecy now or since the death of EGW.  Is this correct?


She was more than just a 'prophet' as she also helped to establish a system of hospitals, schools, and publishing houses that circles the globe and wrote on health, organization,  over 50 volumes, 100,000 pages, and over 200 million words.  Here is a good site to check..
http://www.seventh-day.org/Prophecy.htm


I dont know they have anything other than what is in the fundamental beliefs so you would have to check with the theological department in Andrews University. I personally believe that her work was for the end time so no other is needed as we have been given all the pieces of the events that we need and only the pouring out of the Holy Spirit of Acts 2:17 were many will prophey and have visions is left. The Advent movement was started, nurtured and guided by Gods hand and God works for His own purpose, man doesnt just say I am a seer or prophet, it is God who chooses and does according to His will and purpose.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 08:39:22 »
So, it would be fair to "pass judgement" on EGW's prophecies (1 Corinthians 14:29) and to "examine everything carefully" (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and to hold her writings to a biblical standard of prophecy.



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« Reply #27 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 08:52:18 »
So, it would be fair to "pass judgement" on EGW's prophecies (1 Corinthians 14:29) and to "examine everything carefully" (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and to hold her writings to a biblical standard of prophecy.




My brother, since you dont want to really take a honest look at what she has written, their isnt much I can say to you. You seem to have your mind made up, but you have to remember that the Pharisees had their minds shut up against Jesus so you must be careful or you may find yourself fighting against God. I ask that you read her writings especially the "Steps to Christ" and search your heart with a open mind to see where the Spirit leads...

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« Reply #28 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 10:04:25 »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."



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« Reply #29 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 10:10:55 »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."




No, honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth. The Pharisees only wanted to destroy what Christ brought so they tried to attack, twist, entrap, in fact everything short of death to destroy the truth given and when that didnt work they instigated the death of Christ.

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #30 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 10:12:56 »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."




No, honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth. The Pharisees only wanted to destroy what Christ brought so they tried to attack, twist, entrap, in fact everything short of death to destroy the truth given and when that didnt work they instigated the death of Christ.

The old circular defense... they cannot see beyond the box that their teachers put them in.
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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #31 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 10:15:33 »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."




No, honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth. The Pharisees only wanted to destroy what Christ brought so they tried to attack, twist, entrap, in fact everything short of death to destroy the truth given and when that didnt work they instigated the death of Christ.

A correct understanding of how the Pharisees reacted to Jesus, but not applicable when using biblical standards to evaluate the writings and teachings of another person... Unless you hold their teachings to be equal in inspiration and authority to Jesus.



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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #32 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 10:24:24 »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."





No, honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth. The Pharisees only wanted to destroy what Christ brought so they tried to attack, twist, entrap, in fact everything short of death to destroy the truth given and when that didnt work they instigated the death of Christ.


A correct understanding of how the Pharisees reacted to Jesus, but not applicable when using biblical standards to evaluate the writings and teachings of another person... Unless you hold their teachings to be equal in inspiration and authority to Jesus.





Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

You have forgotten that the 'testimony of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy', so these according to scripture would not be her own musings, if you check out background you will see she had neither the schooling or theological level of seminary or university. Read through the writings and make a personal evaluation of them, dont take my word or others, read it for yourself and prayerfully see what the Holy Spirit reveals in what is written.

Here is a good site to check out on the tests to be applied..
http://www.seventh-day.org/testsofproph.htm

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #33 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 10:26:37 »
To be honest, claiming special insight from the Holy Spirit in contrast to traditional thought is not limited to Ms. White.

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #34 on: Fri Mar 13, 2009 - 10:28:51 »

You have forgotten that the 'testimony of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy', so these according to scripture would not be her own musings, if you check out background you will see she had neither the schooling or theological level of seminary or university. Read through the writings and make a personal evaluation of them, dont take my word or others, read it for yourself and prayerfully see what the Holy Spirit reveals in what is written.


And the Scripture clearly tells us to evaluate and judge prophecy.  The best standard for doing that is not how it makes us feel, but the objective standard of the Scripture itself.