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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2009, 09:12:56 AM »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."




No, honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth. The Pharisees only wanted to destroy what Christ brought so they tried to attack, twist, entrap, in fact everything short of death to destroy the truth given and when that didnt work they instigated the death of Christ.

The old circular defense... they cannot see beyond the box that their teachers put them in.
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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2009, 09:15:33 AM »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."




No, honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth. The Pharisees only wanted to destroy what Christ brought so they tried to attack, twist, entrap, in fact everything short of death to destroy the truth given and when that didnt work they instigated the death of Christ.

A correct understanding of how the Pharisees reacted to Jesus, but not applicable when using biblical standards to evaluate the writings and teachings of another person... Unless you hold their teachings to be equal in inspiration and authority to Jesus.


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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2009, 09:24:24 AM »
"Honest look" is code for - "If you disagree with EGW, you're not honest."  But the fact is, you have no idea what I've read or studied, or what my background is.

And applying biblical standards of evaluation to the writings and teachings of another human being is hardly "fighting against God."





No, honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth. The Pharisees only wanted to destroy what Christ brought so they tried to attack, twist, entrap, in fact everything short of death to destroy the truth given and when that didnt work they instigated the death of Christ.


A correct understanding of how the Pharisees reacted to Jesus, but not applicable when using biblical standards to evaluate the writings and teachings of another person... Unless you hold their teachings to be equal in inspiration and authority to Jesus.





Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

You have forgotten that the 'testimony of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy', so these according to scripture would not be her own musings, if you check out background you will see she had neither the schooling or theological level of seminary or university. Read through the writings and make a personal evaluation of them, dont take my word or others, read it for yourself and prayerfully see what the Holy Spirit reveals in what is written.

Here is a good site to check out on the tests to be applied..
http://www.seventh-day.org/testsofproph.htm

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2009, 09:26:37 AM »
To be honest, claiming special insight from the Holy Spirit in contrast to traditional thought is not limited to Ms. White.

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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2009, 09:28:51 AM »

You have forgotten that the 'testimony of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy', so these according to scripture would not be her own musings, if you check out background you will see she had neither the schooling or theological level of seminary or university. Read through the writings and make a personal evaluation of them, dont take my word or others, read it for yourself and prayerfully see what the Holy Spirit reveals in what is written.


And the Scripture clearly tells us to evaluate and judge prophecy.  The best standard for doing that is not how it makes us feel, but the objective standard of the Scripture itself.
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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2009, 09:29:56 AM »
To be honest, claiming special insight from the Holy Spirit in contrast to traditional thought is not limited to Ms. White.

I am not sure what you are getting at.......

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2009, 09:31:29 AM »

You have forgotten that the 'testimony of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy', so these according to scripture would not be her own musings, if you check out background you will see she had neither the schooling or theological level of seminary or university. Read through the writings and make a personal evaluation of them, dont take my word or others, read it for yourself and prayerfully see what the Holy Spirit reveals in what is written.



And the Scripture clearly tells us to evaluate and judge prophecy.  The best standard for doing that is not how it makes us feel, but the objective standard of the Scripture itself.


Correct my brother, that is why I gave you the site and there are other studies I can point to but dont want to clutter...

http://www.seventh-day.org/testsofproph.htm

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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2009, 09:34:04 AM »
To be honest, claiming special insight from the Holy Spirit in contrast to traditional thought is not limited to Ms. White.

I am not sure what you are getting at.......

Morman's, Christian Scientists... etc.  There are a ton of cults out there all claiming they are divinely appointed by some extra-biblical prophet(ess).

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2009, 11:26:42 AM »
To be honest, claiming special insight from the Holy Spirit in contrast to traditional thought is not limited to Ms. White.

I am not sure what you are getting at.......

Morman's, Christian Scientists... etc.  There are a ton of cults out there all claiming they are divinely appointed by some extra-biblical prophet(ess).



and some on the Forum as well.

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2009, 02:36:28 PM »
To be honest, claiming special insight from the Holy Spirit in contrast to traditional thought is not limited to Ms. White.

I am not sure what you are getting at.......

Morman's, Christian Scientists... etc.  There are a ton of cults out there all claiming they are divinely appointed by some extra-biblical prophet(ess).


and some without Bibles at all... ::smile::

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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2009, 07:39:13 AM »
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And the Scripture clearly tells us to evaluate and judge prophecy.  The best standard for doing that is not how it makes us feel, but the objective standard of the Scripture itself.

BINGO!  Scripture is the bottom line.  Apparently even EGW says the same.

Two things are evident though regarding prophets.  Number one, they are human beings, and therefore not perfect.  They themselves must be corrected on occasion, and do not always even correctly understand, or understand at all what God has revealed to them through vision, or what ever means He chooses.  They must learn at the feet of Jesus just like everyone else.

Just because they are prophets, doesn't mean that every word that ever comes out of their mouths, comes directly from God either.  God does not give them total insight regarding all things, and they have opinions just like everyone else.  Add to this the fact that others are likely to take their words, and twist or mutilate them, just like many do with the scriptures, then your statement above becomes all the more important.  The scriptures are the bottom line. 

Lets face it, in this world, a true prophet will suffer persecution, false accusations, misrepresentation, and condemnation by the majority.  This is what happened to all the biblical prophets, Apostles, and even Jesus Christ Himself.  Therefore, the bible must be the bottom line for determining the authenticity of anyone claiming to be a prophet.  There are many books written about EGW, and others attacking or defending the same.  Simply choosing to read one or the other, is choosing to believe what someone else has to say about the subject.  If we want to judge wether a person is a prophet or not, we should examine their writings ourelves, and compare them with scripture.

On the other hand, we could just immerse ourselves in the word of God seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit concerning the same.  If we do this, we can't go wrong.  The scripture is clear.

2 Tim 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Matt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.




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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2009, 06:29:28 PM »
Excellent post...

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2011, 07:30:34 PM »
The remnant of Rev 12  is the very last thing that anyone should want to be as it is the Remnant that are Left "after" first the Saints are taken alive and then the rest of the Christian commandment keepers are taken to a place of safety and fed there three and a half Years, and unfortunately there are more who were Not as Diligent but also were Commandment keepers and these are the Remnant as it suggests they remain as the last in order of righteousness and shall face tribulation Head on, I believe that the SDA are a great Church one of the better ones! Please check this out, and remember Satan Attacks ALL of Christ's Churches None are immune,  the problem lies with the Understanding of the Woman the Man Child and the Remnant, the woman is the greater Church community probably many denominations whom are faithful to a good degree and she gives birth to the Man child which is the best part of her Faithful ones the Saints! the Man Child is not Christ but it is those saints that shall be given to rule with a rod of iron as shall Christ who is in them shall, and the remnant is those remaining that shall keep themselves to some degree as commandment keepers but never the less they shall be in tribulation yet shall be saved in Judgement.

The Woman = The Church/The Man Child = the Bridegroom "the saints"/The Remnant = those commandment keepers who are left.
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2011, 02:45:06 PM »
 4SGa page 36 Aaron's rod.
Here we have the answer to where the REMNANT will come from.
Must be due any day now.

EGW words.
recorded for a warning to GOD'S PEOPLE especially those who live upon the earth near the close of time.

So friends take great care this is going to happen soon.
The ROD is still in full bloom and is white almond not pink.
GOD knew about us and told MOSES in Numbers 17:10 To be kept for a toke against the REBELS.
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and lay it up before the LORD to be kept for your generations.

GOD is very kind. Take great care.

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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2011, 06:31:10 AM »
It is in the Fundemantal Beliefs..
18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

Well rather than take someones word or the church's, why dont you honestly check out what she has written and see what you decide in your heart as the Holy Spirit guides you.   http://www.whiteestate.org/


This is the same tactic that Mormons use with the Book of Mormon.  It is the same tactics that Jehovah's Witnesses use with Watchtower material.  It is set up from the beginning much like poisoning the well to lead people to a preconceived conclusion that if they read it they are supposed to come to the conclusion that it is true.  If it really were true, no such admonishment would be necessary, the writings would be able to stand on their own merits just as the living words of God have in the Bible for milleniums of time.  The carrot is that if you don't come away believing E.G.W. is a prophetess, then you are not guided by the Holy Spirt.  Epic Fail.

SDA's claim that the gift of prophecy is the identifying mark of the 'remnant' of the church, and yet, supposedly, the only person within the church to have this gift so far is E.G.W.  That is odd, by itself, because surely if the gift of prophecy is an identifying mark, there should be all kinds of people within the SDA hierarchy with this gift giving prophecies just as eaqual and perhaps greater than E.G.W.  Throughout the Bible we see God sending numerous prophets to His people in both the Old and New testaments, so where are the other SDA prophets if the SDA church is truly this last 'remnant' of the church?  Why is E.G.W. the only recognized prophet, especially when her prophecies have been proven time and again to be false?

Acts 2:16-18  16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:  17 "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.  18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.   

Contrary to your claims, this out-pouring of the Holy Spirit began that day, at Pentecost and has continued and continues up to this day.  It is not limited to some special 'remnant,' it is for every member of the Body of Christ who wishes to accept it.  Nowhere do we find this out-pouring of the Holy Spirit confined to some special remnant or only for a specific time.  That is false.  And surely if this was speaking to the SDA church as some special and favored 'remnant' then your church would be bursting at the seams with prophets since your church itself claims this special gift.