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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2011, 06:46:08 AM »
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And the Scripture clearly tells us to evaluate and judge prophecy.  The best standard for doing that is not how it makes us feel, but the objective standard of the Scripture itself.

BINGO!  Scripture is the bottom line.  Apparently even EGW says the same.

Two things are evident though regarding prophets.  Number one, they are human beings, and therefore not perfect.  They themselves must be corrected on occasion, and do not always even correctly understand, or understand at all what God has revealed to them through vision, or what ever means He chooses.  They must learn at the feet of Jesus just like everyone else.

Just because they are prophets, doesn't mean that every word that ever comes out of their mouths, comes directly from God either.  God does not give them total insight regarding all things, and they have opinions just like everyone else.  Add to this the fact that others are likely to take their words, and twist or mutilate them, just like many do with the scriptures, then your statement above becomes all the more important.  The scriptures are the bottom line. 

Lets face it, in this world, a true prophet will suffer persecution, false accusations, misrepresentation, and condemnation by the majority.  This is what happened to all the biblical prophets, Apostles, and even Jesus Christ Himself.  Therefore, the bible must be the bottom line for determining the authenticity of anyone claiming to be a prophet.  There are many books written about EGW, and others attacking or defending the same.  Simply choosing to read one or the other, is choosing to believe what someone else has to say about the subject.  If we want to judge wether a person is a prophet or not, we should examine their writings ourelves, and compare them with scripture.

On the other hand, we could just immerse ourselves in the word of God seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit concerning the same.  If we do this, we can't go wrong.  The scripture is clear.

2 Tim 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Matt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Contrary to your assertions above, scripture gives us a clear and well-defined test as to who is a prophet and who is not, once the claim is made.

Deuteronomy 13:1-4  If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,  2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" "and let us worship them,"  3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.  4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

SDA's make no distinction when referring to the writings of E.G.W. as to what is inspired and what is not.  You treat all of her writings as if they are inspired, so if any one single part of it is wrong, that makes her a false prophet, according to scriptural guidelines.  Therefore, you cannot use a "humans are fallible and make mistakes" defense for her.  Humans are fallible and make mistakes, but not when under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  If that were true, we would not be able to rely on one single word of the Bible.  Prophets in both the OT and NT clearly demarcated when they were speaking for God, and when they were not.  They left no doubt.

I have seen you, and djconklin and Hobie claim time after time what E.G.W. said about herself and her writings.  That has no validity and carries no weight.  The only applicable reasoning is how the SDA church views her writings and you view them as being equal to scripture.

1 Corinthians 14:29  Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said.

Someone is not automatically a prophet just because they, or someone else says they are.  If the SDA hierarchy was wise, and really believed as you wrote above, they would break down E.G.W.'s writings into categories of what was inspired and what was not so you could dismiss the parts that are obviously false and distance yourself from them, especially medical claims that we know from science are 100% false.  The main problem is not with E.G.W., it is with the way the SDA treats and represents her writings.

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« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2011, 10:06:14 AM »
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Contrary to your assertions above, scripture gives us a clear and well-defined test as to who is a prophet and who is not, once the claim is made.

Deuteronomy 13:1-4  If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,  2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" "and let us worship them,"  3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.  4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

SDA's make no distinction when referring to the writings of E.G.W. as to what is inspired and what is not.  You treat all of her writings as if they are inspired, so if any one single part of it is wrong, that makes her a false prophet, according to scriptural guidelines.  Therefore, you cannot use a "humans are fallible and make mistakes" defense for her.  Humans are fallible and make mistakes, but not when under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  If that were true, we would not be able to rely on one single word of the Bible.  Prophets in both the OT and NT clearly demarcated when they were speaking for God, and when they were not.  They left no doubt.

I have seen you, and djconklin and Hobie claim time after time what E.G.W. said about herself and her writings.  That has no validity and carries no weight.  The only applicable reasoning is how the SDA church views her writings and you view them as being equal to scripture.

1 Corinthians 14:29  Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said.

Someone is not automatically a prophet just because they, or someone else says they are.  If the SDA hierarchy was wise, and really believed as you wrote above, they would break down E.G.W.'s writings into categories of what was inspired and what was not so you could dismiss the parts that are obviously false and distance yourself from them, especially medical claims that we know from science are 100% false.  The main problem is not with E.G.W., it is with the way the SDA treats and represents her writings.

I don't see anything in the quote you are referring to, which denies that scripture - "gives us a clear and well-defined test as to who is a prophet and who is not".  To the contrary, it all seems to be saying that scripture is the bottom line.  So I'm not even sure where you are coming from on this one.

All prophets are and were human and fallible.  They all do, and did make mistakes.  We must all examine their writings in light of the same, and closely compare them to scripture for verification and or approval.  Anyone who believes every word that came out of EGW's, or anyone's mouth for that matter, was or is directly from God and should be considered as such, is making a serious mistake.  With the exception of Christ alone, of course.

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Honest is within ones heart, God places it there so we can know between what is right and what is wrong. If we ask, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth but we have to want to know the truth.


Without EGW's prophesies, would you have come to your conclusions of end times?

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« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2011, 05:15:27 PM »
I Love the SDA's for the Most Part! it is particularly agonizing for me to see this error in the discernment of the Rev indicating  the Groups that are heading for Very different Kinds of Salvation, it is Simple but No Doubt will provoke arguments!.


The Woman= the Christian Church (which may be made up from several Denoms!) and obtains a degree of Safety from the Terrifying Events to Come having been removed from the Grasp of Satan's deceived masses etc.

The Manchild = the Elect amongst the Saints which come out of the Churches and are in a Greater state of Righteousness, it is these whom shall make up the Bride with Christ.

The Remnant = The remaining element of Christians whom Keep the Commandments and probably those whom have Not done Evil Unto the Children of God but have supported them even unknowingly.

The first Argument most seem to give against this teaching is that the Manchild is Christ Himself as he is described as the One who shall Rule all nations with a rod of Iron, but we Know that Christ is going to make Kings and rulers who shall rule with a rod of Iron as does he even in them, and it is not possible that the Woman (Church) could give birth to Christ as the Church was born of Christ.

 Rev Ch12 V5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

P.S the Remnant are going to face Tribulation Head on, Not Nice!.
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« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2011, 06:19:37 PM »
>Without EGW's prophesies, would you have come to your conclusions of end times?

Please point us to these "prophesies."
"Analyzing Alleged Plagiarism in Nineteenth-Century Literature: A Case Study of Ellen G. White’s The Desire of Ages," by David J. Conklin, Jerry Moon, and Kevin Morgan Plagiary 2008 3(5): 1-29.

That study compared 47 authors with each other.  I now have 225 in the study.  The critics have yet to do even two authors.  That would require work; it is much easier to tell a lie.
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Without EGW's prophesies, would you have come to your conclusions of end times?
   
You will have to be more specific. Much, if not most of what SDA's believe about biblical prophecy was propagated by the Reformers and Protestant denominations which existed before it.  The Sabbath truth itself was introduced to us by a Seventh Day Baptist woman.  The 2300 day prophecy concerning the timing of it's fulfillment was introduced by a Baptist preacher named William Miller, though the event he predicted was wrong.  The correct event to take place at the end of the said prophecy did not come to the SDA Church through EGW either, but through a man named Hiram Ebson.  Of course at the time of these events, there were no Seventh Day Adventist's.  All the founders were members of other Protestant denominations including EGW who was a Methodist.  

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>Without EGW's prophesies, would you have come to your conclusions of end times?

Please point us to these "prophesies."



Sorry, I thought she made some prophesies concerning end times, or at least explaining them. She didn't?

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Sorry, I thought she made some prophesies concerning end times, or at least explaining them. She didn't?

Yes, she wrote much about the same.  Much of what she believed though, was already believed and preached by Protestants before her.  This is why you would have to be more specific. 

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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2011, 06:58:10 PM »
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Sorry, I thought she made some prophesies concerning end times, or at least explaining them. She didn't?

Yes, she wrote much about the same.  Much of what she believed though, was already believed and preached by Protestants before her.  This is why you would have to be more specific. 


I'm not aware how to ask a question any clearer. Is there any new revelation made known, any prophesy, or and teaching made by EGW that influences what Hobie believes to be the leading of the Holy Spirit as to truth? Did she make any prophesies at all that influences SDA doctrine?

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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2011, 07:06:06 PM »

I don't see anything in the quote you are referring to, which denies that scripture - "gives us a clear and well-defined test as to who is a prophet and who is not".  To the contrary, it all seems to be saying that scripture is the bottom line.  So I'm not even sure where you are coming from on this one.

All prophets are and were human and fallible.  They all do, and did make mistakes.  We must all examine their writings in light of the same, and closely compare them to scripture for verification and or approval.  Anyone who believes every word that came out of EGW's, or anyone's mouth for that matter, was or is directly from God and should be considered as such, is making a serious mistake.  With the exception of Christ alone, of course.

Surely you are joking.  You have clear scripture giving us the standard by which we are to judge who is and is not a prophet.
And yet you keep repeating that prophets are fallible.  Please provide scripture which tells us that.  If prophets were fallible, we would not be able to trust them.  We would have to throw out the majority of the Bible.

Deuteronomy 18:18-22  18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.  19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.  20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."  21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?"  22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

Again, your claim that all prophets are human and fallible is false.  You cannot use that out when talking about the prophesies of E.G.W.  You claim that she is a prophet and that she has the "gift" of prophesy, do you not?  In the scripture above, God plainly says he will "put my words in his mouth."  That means if a prophet makes a mistake, after God has placed His words in the prophet's mouth, that God is the one actually making the mistake.  Only we know that is not possible.  So it would be the prophet making the mistake and it would be because God did not actually give the prophet the words to say.  Those are the only two options.  Because as God Himself states above, under God's direction through the Holy Spirt, the prophet will not make a mistake.  If he does, he is not a prophet and he isn't speaking what the Lord gave him.  That is the litmus test for who is, and conversely, who is not a true prophet.  A true prophet doesn not make a mistake when truly speaking for God.  The portion of scripture above clearly states that.

So you have a few problems.  First of all, it seems that even within your own organization, you can't agree on whether E.G.W. was a prophet or not.  You seem to imply she was, djconklin seems to indicate that she was not and never gave any prophecies.  Which is it?  She either was a prophet or she was not.  Your church hierarchy claims she was.  That she had the gift of prophecy and there would be no way that they could claim that gift existed within her unless they felt she had been observed or recorded exercising that gift.  Nobody can say I have the gift of tongues unless they actually observe me operating in it.  So SDA's claim she was a prophet, and that she spoke for God.  Only she said things that were false.  The SDA church makes absolutely no distiction as to which writings and prophecies of E.G.W.'s were made under divine inspiration and which ones were not under divine inspiration, you consider them all inspired.  So just one mistake in them means she is not a prophet, according to the above test.  So if you are going to claim that she is fallible and made a mistake, you are going to have to be able to deliniate for us which writings of E.G.W. were not written under divine inspiration, and which writings of E.G.W. should not be considered prophecy.

Also, why is it so difficult to give Larry a simple answer to his question?

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Surely you are joking.  You have clear scripture giving us the standard by which we are to judge who is and is not a prophet.
And yet you keep repeating that prophets are fallible.  Please provide scripture which tells us that.  If prophets were fallible, we would not be able to trust them.  We would have to throw out the majority of the Bible.

Perhaps we have a misunderstanding.  I do not mean to imply in any way shape or form, that the word of God is fallible.  The bible is a manuscript of messages given to the world through the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God upon chosen individuals, or a direct message to them from Angels of God, and occasionally God Himself.  The bible is the inspired word of God, not man.

The prophets however, were, and always will be sinners just like you and I.  In an of themselves they are certainly fallible.  Obviously, those words given to a prophet directly by God, should not be questioned.  We have examples in scripture, where prophets have spoken, and acted wrongly.  These words and actions were obviously not inspired by God.  No doubt either, these were recorded to keep the prophet, and God, in their proper perspectives.

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Deuteronomy 18:18-22  18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.  19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.  20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."  21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?"  22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

The prophet being spoken of in the above verses is Christ Himself.  Many could claim Him to be a false prophet, since all which He predicted has not yet come to pass.  The same could be said of most of the Apostles, if not all of them.  There has not been a prophet yet, that I know of, that has not had to endure the ridicule of being a false prophet by non believers, until their prophecies are actually fulfilled.  It is just the nature and condition of this world in rebellion against God.

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Again, your claim that all prophets are human and fallible is false.  You cannot use that out when talking about the prophesies of E.G.W.  You claim that she is a prophet and that she has the "gift" of prophesy, do you not?  In the scripture above, God plainly says he will "put my words in his mouth."  That means if a prophet makes a mistake, after God has placed His words in the prophet's mouth, that God is the one actually making the mistake.  Only we know that is not possible.  So it would be the prophet making the mistake and it would be because God did not actually give the prophet the words to say.  Those are the only two options.  Because as God Himself states above, under God's direction through the Holy Spirt, the prophet will not make a mistake.  If he does, he is not a prophet and he isn't speaking what the Lord gave him.  That is the litmus test for who is, and conversely, who is not a true prophet.  A true prophet doesn not make a mistake when truly speaking for God.  The portion of scripture above clearly states that.

I have never said, or believed that a prophet who is speaking for God by way of revelation from the same, can be mistaken.  I don’t know where you are getting this idea from.  Moses was a great prophet of God.  Yet at the age of forty he murdered an Egyptian in defense of a Jew.  At which point God removed from Egypt for forty years in order to prepare him to properly deliver Israel by the hand of God, not man.  Forty years later at the borders of the promised land Moses erred.  He attributed the deliverance of Israel, and God’s forbearance with them to himself, and was thus forbidden to enter the promised land.  Elijah also faltered before God when confronted by Jezebel, and others also made mistakes.  This is because they were human and fallible.  Yet when they spoke under direct revelation from God, their words certainly were not.

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So you have a few problems.  First of all, it seems that even within your own organization, you can't agree on whether E.G.W. was a prophet or not.  You seem to imply she was, djconklin seems to indicate that she was not and never gave any prophecies.  Which is it?
 

I’m afraid you are the one who is confused upon this point. I don’t know any SDA’s on this board that are denying she was a prophetess. If there are, let them say so.   

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She either was a prophet or she was not.  Your church hierarchy claims she was.  That she had the gift of prophecy and there would be no way that they could claim that gift existed within her unless they felt she had been observed or recorded exercising that gift.  Nobody can say I have the gift of tongues unless they actually observe me operating in it.


Actually anybody can say anything they want, and often do make false claims, which is why we are having this conversation.

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So SDA's claim she was a prophet, and that she spoke for God.  Only she said things that were false.
 

So says you.  I have personally pointed out numerous lies on these very message boards concerning the same.  Those who propagate them, seem to care less that they have spoken lies regarding EGW, as though they will be of no consequence when they stand before God in judgment.  I tell you the truth, even if EGW was a false prophet, those who have thought they can lie about her, or anyone else with impunity before God are seriously mistaken.  “Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2012, 10:55:00 AM »
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Surely you are joking.  You have clear scripture giving us the standard by which we are to judge who is and is not a prophet.
And yet you keep repeating that prophets are fallible.  Please provide scripture which tells us that.  If prophets were fallible, we would not be able to trust them.  We would have to throw out the majority of the Bible.

Perhaps we have a misunderstanding.  I do not mean to imply in any way shape or form, that the word of God is fallible.  The bible is a manuscript of messages given to the world through the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God upon chosen individuals, or a direct message to them from Angels of God, and occasionally God Himself.  The bible is the inspired word of God, not man.

The prophets however, were, and always will be sinners just like you and I.  In an of themselves they are certainly fallible.  Obviously, those words given to a prophet directly by God, should not be questioned.  We have examples in scripture, where prophets have spoken, and acted wrongly.  These words and actions were obviously not inspired by God.  No doubt either, these were recorded to keep the prophet, and God, in their proper perspectives.

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Deuteronomy 18:18-22  18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.  19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.  20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."  21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?"  22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

The prophet being spoken of in the above verses is Christ Himself.  Many could claim Him to be a false prophet, since all which He predicted has not yet come to pass.  The same could be said of most of the Apostles, if not all of them.  There has not been a prophet yet, that I know of, that has not had to endure the ridicule of being a false prophet by non believers, until their prophecies are actually fulfilled.  It is just the nature and condition of this world in rebellion against God.

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Again, your claim that all prophets are human and fallible is false.  You cannot use that out when talking about the prophesies of E.G.W.  You claim that she is a prophet and that she has the "gift" of prophesy, do you not?  In the scripture above, God plainly says he will "put my words in his mouth."  That means if a prophet makes a mistake, after God has placed His words in the prophet's mouth, that God is the one actually making the mistake.  Only we know that is not possible.  So it would be the prophet making the mistake and it would be because God did not actually give the prophet the words to say.  Those are the only two options.  Because as God Himself states above, under God's direction through the Holy Spirt, the prophet will not make a mistake.  If he does, he is not a prophet and he isn't speaking what the Lord gave him.  That is the litmus test for who is, and conversely, who is not a true prophet.  A true prophet doesn not make a mistake when truly speaking for God.  The portion of scripture above clearly states that.

I have never said, or believed that a prophet who is speaking for God by way of revelation from the same, can be mistaken.  I don’t know where you are getting this idea from.  Moses was a great prophet of God.  Yet at the age of forty he murdered an Egyptian in defense of a Jew.  At which point God removed from Egypt for forty years in order to prepare him to properly deliver Israel by the hand of God, not man.  Forty years later at the borders of the promised land Moses erred.  He attributed the deliverance of Israel, and God’s forbearance with them to himself, and was thus forbidden to enter the promised land.  Elijah also faltered before God when confronted by Jezebel, and others also made mistakes.  This is because they were human and fallible.  Yet when they spoke under direct revelation from God, their words certainly were not.

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So you have a few problems.  First of all, it seems that even within your own organization, you can't agree on whether E.G.W. was a prophet or not.  You seem to imply she was, djconklin seems to indicate that she was not and never gave any prophecies.  Which is it?
 

I’m afraid you are the one who is confused upon this point. I don’t know any SDA’s on this board that are denying she was a prophetess. If there are, let them say so.   

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She either was a prophet or she was not.  Your church hierarchy claims she was.  That she had the gift of prophecy and there would be no way that they could claim that gift existed within her unless they felt she had been observed or recorded exercising that gift.  Nobody can say I have the gift of tongues unless they actually observe me operating in it.


Actually anybody can say anything they want, and often do make false claims, which is why we are having this conversation.

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So SDA's claim she was a prophet, and that she spoke for God.  Only she said things that were false.
 

So says you.  I have personally pointed out numerous lies on these very message boards concerning the same.  Those who propagate them, seem to care less that they have spoken lies regarding EGW, as though they will be of no consequence when they stand before God in judgment.  I tell you the truth, even if EGW was a false prophet, those who have thought they can lie about her, or anyone else with impunity before God are seriously mistaken.  “Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

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Adventism takes what the Reformers had and continues from where they stopped and formed into creeds once the individual reformer passed from the scene. If they had continued in reading scripture and letting God unveil His truths, they would have come to where Adventism is today, plain and simple.....
Perhaps.  Or they may have gone beyond the SDA and ended up in Messianic Judaism.

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« Reply #58 on: February 29, 2012, 04:12:44 AM »
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Why don’t you be specific, instead leaving the mind open to unanswered negative innuendo?
I have explained myself here and elsewhere several times. 

IMO the revelation of Sabbath was true.  But it should not have stopped there. 

But having said that, God frequently moves people a generation or 2 at a time. Eventually there would have been a fuller revelation of the restoration of the Jewishness of the gospel, the unique covenantal calling on the Jewish people and the importance of a Jewish lifestyle.

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Re: The SDA church is God's remnant church of Revelation....
« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2012, 10:22:53 AM »
How can the Seventh-day Adventist denomination be the remnant of the book of Revelation.


  • The reference to 'remnant' in the book of revelation does not refer to a denomination.
  • The Seventh-day Adventist denomination does not 'keep' the commandments of God.   
  • The Seventh-day Adventist denomination does not 'have' the testimony of Jesus nor do they have a Biblical understanding of it.