The SDA prophet

[djconklin]

its a clear example of how phoney baloney religions blind their followers to the truths in the bible in order to keep their faithfull duped.

John 10:1  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 10:7  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Hmmm, nothing in either text about "lesser light" as I requested.  Please try again and drop the propaganda.

[wayne]

its a clear example of how phoney baloney religions blind their followers to the truths in the bible in order to keep their faithfull duped.

John 10:1  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 10:7  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Hmmm, nothing in either text about "lesser light" as I requested.  Please try again and drop the propaganda.

say, maybe im misunderstanding something. are for the SDA and their lesser light or debunking it

[djconklin]

WHAT?!?

[wayne]

WHAT?!?

let me get even clearer. do you believe in this ellen white stuff and the SDA? or you dont believe in the SDA and their mrs white?

[djconklin]

Hmm, so what you are saying by all this hemming and hawing is that when you claimed "i know who the lesser light is. the great light is god, the lesser light is satan" and I asked "Where does it say that in the Bible?" is that the Bible does say anything of the sort.

[wayne]

i couldnt tell what side of the fence you were on. you remained unambiguosly ambiguos. but since then ive seen your other posts and know that you are SDA. i dont blame you my friend. you do believe that ellen white stuff. i wouldnt be in a hurry to admit that i was in a cult of personality either. i figured people were aware of those scams by now. but, theres- zillions of suckers in the catholic church..go figure

[djconklin]

Hmmm, despite repeated opportunities and requests for a text that says Satan is the lesser light as was claimed we still can't see one.

know that you are SDA.

You've assumed that.

you do believe that ellen white stuff.

You've assumed that too.  What I do is expose the liars for the claims they have made about her--it is really easy.

i wouldnt be in a hurry to admit that i was in a cult of personality either.

I'm not in that either.  You are assuming way too much instead of relying on the Bible--like EGW did.

[wayne]

ah, ive figured it out. tisk tisk tisk, we forgot to take our meds.

[djconklin]

I don't need meds.  I don't make claims I can't back up.  And I'm not too proud to admit when I goofed.

[EGS]

Friend,
The term "lesser light" is only another jargon believers use and it has no biblical support. What is understood by those who seriously have read and studied her writings however, is that along with the writings of many other church pioneers, they have helped in the development and organization of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Her writings have also been a source of inspiration to many and have led many to the Bible and through It, to Christ. Some of her writings have also attacked practices of church leaders and members and have called for changes. Overall I think that the SDA church is blessed for having had an author such as EGW. And, if you don't mind, let me suggest to you the reading of one of her books called "Steps to Christ". Let me know if you need a copy; I will sent it to you free of charge.

[current occupant]

Do SDA's still regard Ellen White as having Canonical authority?

No, and they never did, except by a minority.  She herself said that she was the lesser light.  God bless.

So who was the minority that did regard her as having Canonical authority??

This question has never been answered by the SDA members on this forum.

So who was the the minority that did regard her (Ellen White) as having Canonical authority??

[current occupant]

One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

I would like to see it explained, how the part about "continuing and authoritative source of truth" is about anything else except a claim to Canonical authority. 

If it is not Canonical authority, what kind of authority is it?

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I would like to see it explained, how the part about "continuing and authoritative source of truth" is about anything else except a claim to Canonical authority. 

If it is not Canonical authority, what kind of authority is it?

[current occupant]

yup!! Ellen White IS the 18th fundamental belief of the SDA church.

From the "SDA Church Manual 17th Edition"

18. Gift of Prophecy
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord’s messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

If it's in their church manual, it is certainly NOT the "minority view."

I would like to see it explained, how the part about "continuing and authoritative source of truth" is about anything else except a claim to Canonical authority. 

If it is not Canonical authority, what kind of authority is it?

That just means that her statements must be taken seriously and that she has a special message for SDA's.  No SDA doctrine is based on Mrs. White.  She is not infallible either.  I know that people that have issues with the SDA church will say the contrary.  But the truth still remains.  God bless.

If Ellen White is not infallible, please point out:

• Where she was wrong in any of her special messages to the SDA church.
  
  Where she ever admitted that she was in error in any of her instructions to the SDA church.
  

If Ellen White is not infallible, please point out:


•Where she was wrong in any of her special messages to the SDA church.

Where she ever admitted that she was in error in any of her instructions to the SDA church.



This request was met with outright refusal to answer.  The SDA member answered with the following

It has been my experience that specially on this subject that once people want to believe something there is little chance for them to change their minds.  So I will not reply to this particular question.  I can use my time on something more useful.  Please read at least one of her books and make your own judgement.  I hope you find the truth if that is what you are looking for.  God bless.

How about answering this for the lurkers who visit this forum and this thread.  It should be of interest to those who have not yet made up their minds.

[Amo]

This question has never been answered by the SDA members on this forum.

So who was the the minority that did regard her (Ellen White) as having Canonical authority??

They were people who were obviously deceived, and didn't even listen to her own testimony regarding the same.  Strange that they should think her writings equal to the scriptures, but would not regard her own testimony about the same.

[Amo]

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I would like to see it explained, how the part about "continuing and authoritative source of truth" is about anything else except a claim to Canonical authority.

If it is not Canonical authority, what kind of authority is it?

It is the kind of authority, that only has authority because it is in agreement with the plain testimony of scripture, or the plain principals established by the same.