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« on: June 28, 2009, 01:38:04 AM »

The SDA's must be slacking off in some areas......

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Tom Mostert, President

Dear Pacific Union Member:

As some of you who regularly read my letters know, I tend to focus on issues impacting the personal or collective faith and mission of our members and the Church in general. Matters we recognize are there, yet for various reasons are not discussed. Here is my latest hot button issue!

The Zero Sum Equation

More and more Adventist members and some pastors are modifying their faith according to what is or is not convenient to believe and practice. Most do not admit this is the reason, but I have noticed most of the modifications are in the area of sanctification; the process of progressive development of a God-like mind and lifestyle. Few tamper with the basic free gift of salvation. Let me illustrate how it works...

Sanctification

A person is raised with the guilt trip of legalism hanging around their neck in the name of sanctification. It robbed them of peace of mind and made religion an intolerable burden to bear. But they are more enlightened now, and have simply accepted the free gift of salvation provided through the death and resurrection of Jesus. In general, they hope to become more like Him in thought and lifestyle, but any worry about specifics simply destroys their peace of mind. So if it is important, God will bring it to mind — otherwise, they practice sanctification only in general terms.

Total acceptance of the traditional Adventist understanding of sanctification is ZERO.

Health

Someone decides they will believe in general healthful living, but not worry about the details. Since various studies show the benefits of red wine, and they like the taste and relaxation qualities of it anyway, it is incorporated into their diet — in moderation, of course! Likewise with coffee. After all, what is a modern lifestyle without a caffeine kick?

When the list is finished, the incorporation of the traditional Adventist health message in their lifestyle is ZERO.

Evangelism

Church leaders have attempted to get people involved in various witnessing activities. But they don't like the pressure to participate, and strangers always scare them. So they say to themselves, "Why go through the pain and discomfort of activities which bring limited results? I'll settle for saying something positive for God when someone asks me a direct religious question. That leaves it to God to bring me the person, and spares me the time and energy necessary for an unpleasant activity. Anyway, I am so busy with job and family it is impossible to find the time."

Intentional sharing of the Adventist faith with others? ZERO.

Prophecy

Where once it seemed important to have a modern day prophet to warn and instruct us as we prepare for the second coming of Jesus, it is now inconvenient to accept Ellen White's pointed counsel about personal changes. My, the list is endless! So we look for reasons not to read her: some say she might have simply copied large portions of the material in her books; the church was so legalistic in the past, she probably just flowed with the times. Now our emphasis is on salvation through Jesus, full and complete.

Total serious consideration of the prophetic messages from Ellen White = ZERO.

What Do You Have Left?

These are but a few examples of a long list of thought patterns developing in members' lives. You could add belief in absolutes, the unique mission of the Adventist Church, and faithfulness in tithing. In the end each area equals ZERO.

A church whose distinctive truths have been zeroed out is left with nothing different from the community church down the street. The unique Seventh-day Adventist message and mission is reduced to ZERO.

Sincerely your friend,

Tom Mostert, President

Pacific Union Conference
(Pacific Union Recorder, vol 107, issue 8)

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 08:20:01 PM »


Well, let me see if I have this correct. To be sanctified, we have the doctrine of healthful living without coffee; hmmmm, that sounds familiar?

Evangelism is a must; surely God gave all to be evangelists.

Prophesy - Where once it seemed important to have a modern day prophet to warn and instruct us as we prepare for the second coming of Jesus, it is now inconvenient to accept Ellen White's pointed counsel about personal changes.

Ellen White's pointed counsel Confused I read in Galatians 1:8: "Galatians 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
And all the time I thought the word of God was fulfilled in Paul's epistles. Colossians 1:25  "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;"
 
And then just why would anyone want to be involved in a carnal church? 1 Corinthians 3:4  For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; or in this case "I am 7th Day Adventist;" are ye not carnal?
   
What Do You Have Left? I can answer that; you start with man running the show, and that's what you end up with. Galatians 5:4  "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I'm in no way suggesting you're not saved, but as to our walk in Christ, it is only by grace He brings along; we are His workmanship.

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 08:18:55 PM »


Well, let me see if I have this correct. To be sanctified, we have the doctrine of healthful living without coffee; hmmmm, that sounds familiar?

Evangelism is a must; surely God gave all to be evangelists.

Prophesy - Where once it seemed important to have a modern day prophet to warn and instruct us as we prepare for the second coming of Jesus, it is now inconvenient to accept Ellen White's pointed counsel about personal changes.

Ellen White's pointed counsel Confused I read in Galatians 1:8: "Galatians 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
And all the time I thought the word of God was fulfilled in Paul's epistles. Colossians 1:25  "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;"
 
And then just why would anyone want to be involved in a carnal church? 1 Corinthians 3:4  For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; or in this case "I am 7th Day Adventist;" are ye not carnal?
   
What Do You Have Left? I can answer that; you start with man running the show, and that's what you end up with. Galatians 5:4  "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I'm in no way suggesting you're not saved, but as to our walk in Christ, it is only by grace He brings along; we are His workmanship.

In Jesus' name - larry2


We don't agree too often Larry, but I thought that was a really good post.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 08:51:19 PM »

I was worried about the coffee thing.

Thanks for setting me straight.

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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 09:30:11 PM »


Well, let me see if I have this correct. To be sanctified, we have the doctrine of healthful living without coffee; hmmmm, that sounds familiar?

Evangelism is a must; surely God gave all to be evangelists.

Prophesy - Where once it seemed important to have a modern day prophet to warn and instruct us as we prepare for the second coming of Jesus, it is now inconvenient to accept Ellen White's pointed counsel about personal changes.

Ellen White's pointed counsel Confused I read in Galatians 1:8: "Galatians 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
And all the time I thought the word of God was fulfilled in Paul's epistles. Colossians 1:25  "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;"
 
And then just why would anyone want to be involved in a carnal church? 1 Corinthians 3:4  For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; or in this case "I am 7th Day Adventist;" are ye not carnal?
   
What Do You Have Left? I can answer that; you start with man running the show, and that's what you end up with. Galatians 5:4  "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I'm in no way suggesting you're not saved, but as to our walk in Christ, it is only by grace He brings along; we are His workmanship.

In Jesus' name - larry2


Larry you must admit to the fact that a healthy life style can be a factor to improve our spiritual life.
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