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What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« on: December 20, 2011, 11:01:37 PM »
What do you know about her and her "revelations"?

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What do you think of Ellen G. White?
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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 11:59:46 PM »
I don't know enough to speak intelligently on the subject, but I couldn't find any reason that we should all completely disregard her visions. 

The bible talks of people being given visions by the Spirit.  Who's to say that she wasn't given one of those visions?  The writings I found of hers (quick glance, I probably read a page or two of her own material.  There seems to be thousands of pages more that she wrote during her life) seemed to be in line with many other people who claim to have been given visions.  Most noticeably the fact that nearly all believable claims of seeing visions of Christ are of a formless light, too bright to stare at, which is immediately known to be Christ even without words.

Her teachings of health don't seem to be too far out of line from normal Victorian era views on the subject.  Eat well, drink water, be active, go outside; none of these were ground shaking ideas at the time.  The only thing exceptional about them was that she called them revelation.

It is a very interesting topic.  I'd love to see other people's views on the subject.
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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 07:10:59 AM »
The best advice I can give, is for people to read her writings for themselves.  I have spent much time correcting erroneous views, and baseless accusations against her.  Almost exclusively made, by those who have never even read her writings for themselves, accept for reading the critical writings of someone else about her. 

http://www.whiteestate.org/books/books.asp

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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 10:05:19 AM »
Was she prophetic?

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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 04:21:49 PM »
She was a false prophet, because many of her prophesies did not come true.

The 7th day adventist church was founded on many lies.

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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 04:43:44 PM »
She was a false prophet, because many of her prophesies did not come true.

Not sure that's a valid test.  ::eek::  Tons of prophecies from the Bible still haven't been fulfilled either.

Also, prophecy isn't just about predicting the future. This is a badly misused word, methinks.
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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 09:51:43 PM »
She was a false prophet, because many of her prophesies did not come true.


Not sure that's a valid test.  ::eek::  Tons of prophecies from the Bible still haven't been fulfilled either.

Also, prophecy isn't just about predicting the future. This is a badly misused word, methinks.


What does the bible say about discerning a false prophet?

If their prediction do not come true.

Ellen made predictions that did not come true in specific time periods.

E. G. White prophesied the world would end in 1843, 1844, 1845 & 1851"Now time is almost finished, (1851) and what we have been 6 years in learning they will have to learn in months." EARLY WRITINGS p. 57

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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 10:12:11 PM »
Read my post again, cs. Prophecy isn't just about predicting the future.
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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2011, 10:50:43 AM »
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What does the bible say about discerning a false prophet?

If their prediction do not come true.

Ellen made predictions that did not come true in specific time periods.

E. G. White prophesied the world would end in 1843, 1844, 1845 & 1851"Now time is almost finished, (1851) and what we have been 6 years in learning they will have to learn in months." EARLY WRITINGS p. 57

I have Early Writings.  Nothing of what you said is on pg. 57

It is not likely at all that she prophesied that the world would end on any of the dates you posted above. 

Testimony Treasures Volume 1, Page 13
Ellen G. White A Brief Biographical Sketch

Ellen G. Harmon and her twin sister were born November 26, 1827, at Gorham, near Portland, Maine, in northern New England. When nine years of age, Ellen was involved in an accident in which a stone was thrown by a thoughtless classmate. The severe face injury nearly cost her life and left her much weakened. Soon it was evident that she was physically unable to continue her schooling.

At the age of eleven, while attending a Methodist camp meeting with her parents, Robert and Eunice Harmon, Ellen gave her heart to God. Shortly thereafter she was baptized by immersion in the sea and was received as a member of the Methodist Church. With other members of her family she attended the Adventist meetings in Portland, which began in 1840. She accepted fully the views of the nearness of the second advent of Christ presented by William Miller and his associates, and confidently looked for the Saviour’s imminent return.

The keenness of the great disappointment of October 22, 1844, was not lessened by Ellen’s youth. She, with others, in the succeeding days of perplexity, sought God earnestly for light and guidance. One morning in December, 1844, while praying with four women, the power of God rested upon her. At first she was lost to earthly things; then in a figurative revelation she witnessed the travels of the Advent people to the city of God. She was also shown the reward of the faithful. With trembling, the seventeen-year-old girl related this and succeeding visions to her fellow believers in Portland. Then, as opportunity afforded, she recounted them to companies of Adventists in Maine and near-by states.


Apparently, her visions did not begin until after 1844.  Though she at one time believed as many others, that Christ would return in 1844, this was before she was ever given any visions by God.  Afterward, she declared the event prophesied to take place in 1844 by William Miller and others, to be a mistake.  She discouraged others from ever date setting again, concerning the second coming of Christ, which the scriptures clearly state cannot be known by man.
 

The Desire of Ages, Page 632

But the day and the hour of His coming Christ has not revealed. He stated plainly to His disciples that He Himself could not make known the day or the hour of His second appearing. Had He been at liberty to reveal this, why need He have exhorted them to maintain an attitude of constant expectancy? There are those who claim to know the very day and hour of our Lord’s appearing. Very earnest are they in mapping outthe future. But the Lord has warned them off the ground they occupy. The exact time of the second coming of the Son of man is God’s mystery.

From Heaven With Love, Page 425

Christ is coming with great glory. A multitude of shining angels will attend Him. He will come to raise the dead and to change the living saints; to honor those who have loved Him and kept His commandments, and to take them to Himself. When we look on our dead, we may think of the morning when “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2011, 10:03:56 PM »
Read my post again, cs. Prophecy isn't just about predicting the future.

Well whatever you label  predicting the future, she had prophecies with expired timelines that were wrong.



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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 03:02:46 PM »
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It is proven by history that she made false prophecies and the 7th day adventist church is messed up.

You have been warned, be decieved if you want.

http://www.ondoctrine.com/10sevadv.htm

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/rea/sop.htm

http://www.exadventist.com/

http://www.formeradventist.com/stories/index.html

http://www.ex-sda.com/

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Seventh-Day%20Adventist/sda_occult.htm

http://www.jesusisfreedom.net/seventh-day-adventists-symbols.html

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/sda/adventi.htm

http://www.eaec.org/cults/seventhdayadvent.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment


I told you, I'm not running all over the internet for you, to answer other peoples accusations.  Apparently you do not know them well enough to bring them here yourself, and then defend them.  Here I am, An SDA.  Bring forth your accusations and let's test them.  I know you are willing to traverse the internet, read and believe the accusations of others without investigating the same, but are you willing to bring them here and prove and defend them or not?

If you are so sure, then have enough backbone to bring the accusations here yourself, and defend them.
   

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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 11:10:53 PM »
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It is proven by history that she made false prophecies and the 7th day adventist church is messed up.

You have been warned, be decieved if you want.

http://www.ondoctrine.com/10sevadv.htm

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/rea/sop.htm

http://www.exadventist.com/

http://www.formeradventist.com/stories/index.html

http://www.ex-sda.com/

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Seventh-Day%20Adventist/sda_occult.htm

http://www.jesusisfreedom.net/seventh-day-adventists-symbols.html

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/sda/adventi.htm

http://www.eaec.org/cults/seventhdayadvent.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment


I told you, I'm not running all over the internet for you, to answer other peoples accusations.  Apparently you do not know them well enough to bring them here yourself, and then defend them.  Here I am, An SDA.  Bring forth your accusations and let's test them.  I know you are willing to traverse the internet, read and believe the accusations of others without investigating the same, but are you willing to bring them here and prove and defend them or not?

If you are so sure, then have enough backbone to bring the accusations here yourself, and defend them.
   


Backbone to debate on an internet forum?  I think even a child could do that.

The SDA is in obvious error.  If I feel like it I'll debate you when I get the urge.

I hope you get out of the SDA and wake up.

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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2011, 12:09:55 AM »
Let's keep this civil at least.

So Amo, let's continue the debate.  Were there prophicies made by Mrs. White that did not come true during the time she said they would?  And if so, how does your church explain this?

You say that prophecy isn't just about seeing the future; I may have missed something in school along the way, but my understanding is that's EXACTLY what it's about, and nothing else.  Care to explain your position that it's not?

I'm honestly interested here, and you're the one who's the SDA, so I'm asking.  As an SDA, what are your views on these two things?
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Re: What do you think of Ellen G. White?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2011, 07:49:37 AM »
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Backbone to debate on an internet forum?  I think even a child could do that.

The SDA is in obvious error.  If I feel like it I'll debate you when I get the urge.

I hope you get out of the SDA and wake up.

I'll take that as a no.  I could and will just as easily say you are in error.  Which means nothing, if I am not willing to point out what that error is, and then back it up with proof.  Just as your claim means nothing without doing the same.  There were big problems with your first accusation, which you obviously are not going to address.  This seems to be the habit of many who make these accusations.  They don't care how many are proved to be lies, nor will they spend any time proving otherwise, or admitting the same.  They simply move on to the next accusation they find on the internet, or where ever they are getting them.  They keep going back to the sources which have been proved unreliable, and even deceptive.  Always trusting them, no matter how often they have been proved wrong.