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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2009, 08:14:26 PM »

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Who, currently a member of the SDA church, has the testimony of Jesus? 

Is it possible that anyone in your church has it?

David, do you have the testimony of Jesus?   


Whoever shares the truth concerning the testimony Jesus Christ, His birth, life, teachings, death, resurrection, continuing ministry, and promise to return, to name a few, have the testimony of Jesus Christ.  This of course can be shared in truth, only by those who have received the truth from the Holy Spirit of God, who is the Spirit of truth.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth;
whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you..................... ....
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



AMO….

Thank you for your response.  You have included some interesting points that bring the following questions to mind in addition to the question already asked….

1.   Do you (AMO) have the testimony of Jesus?

---additional questions---

2.   What aspects of his “continuing ministry” are part of the testimony of Jesus?

3.   What additional aspects are there to the testimony of Jesus? (as indicated by your phrase “to name a few”?)

4.   What are the indicators that someone has received and now possesses the testimony of Jesus?

And another question for your consideration and response as well:

5.   What did Jesus say was the reason for his birth and coming into this world?


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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2009, 09:36:15 PM »

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I’m not sure what you mean by "Yes! but not always, I don’t know everything."

It is not possible for a true believer in Jesus Christ to have the testimony of Jesus sometimes and not others. 

What does ‘knowing everything’ have to do with the testimony of Jesus? 

What do you need to “know” in order to have the testimony of Jesus?


Matt 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it...................... ........................ .......
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.





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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2009, 10:02:40 PM »

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AMO….

Thank you for your response.  You have included some interesting points that bring the following questions to mind in addition to the question already asked….

1.   Do you (AMO) have the testimony of Jesus?

---additional questions---

2.   What aspects of his “continuing ministry” are part of the testimony of Jesus?

3.   What additional aspects are there to the testimony of Jesus? (as indicated by your phrase “to name a few”?)

4.   What are the indicators that someone has received and now possesses the testimony of Jesus?

And another question for your consideration and response as well:

5.   What did Jesus say was the reason for his birth and coming into this world?


1.  When I speak by way of conviction of the Holy Spirit of God concerning the truths of the holy scriptures, I most certainly do, as do all others who do also.  When I speak strictly from myself, I most certainly do not, nor do any others when they do the same.  That it is most likely that all Christians will do their share of both, we have examples from scripture regarding the same.  It is no doubt the growing experience of every Christian to learn to speak properly at all times for the glory of God.

2.  That He ever liveth to make intercession for us.  That of sending the Holy Spirit of God to work through us on His behalf.  That of sending His holy angels to and fro in the world to do His bidding, seeing that they are "all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation".  To name a few.

3. I'm sure that encompasses more than I know.

4. - 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Their agreement with, and non contradiction to, the word of God, of course.

5. - John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

The above for one.





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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2009, 08:36:45 PM »

This question is answered in the thread titled Bible Errancey, perfect prophecy.

Or you can find it in "A Challenge to my beliefs"
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2010, 04:46:14 PM »

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AMO….

Thank you for your response.  You have included some interesting points that bring the following questions to mind in addition to the question already asked….

1.   Do you (AMO) have the testimony of Jesus?

---additional questions---

2.   What aspects of his “continuing ministry” are part of the testimony of Jesus?

3.   What additional aspects are there to the testimony of Jesus? (as indicated by your phrase “to name a few”?)

4.   What are the indicators that someone has received and now possesses the testimony of Jesus?

And another question for your consideration and response as well:

5.   What did Jesus say was the reason for his birth and coming into this world?


1.  When I speak by way of conviction of the Holy Spirit of God concerning the truths of the holy scriptures, I most certainly do, as do all others who do also.  When I speak strictly from myself, I most certainly do not, nor do any others when they do the same.  That it is most likely that all Christians will do their share of both, we have examples from scripture regarding the same.  It is no doubt the growing experience of every Christian to learn to speak properly at all times for the glory of God.

2.  That He ever liveth to make intercession for us.  That of sending the Holy Spirit of God to work through us on His behalf.  That of sending His holy angels to and fro in the world to do His bidding, seeing that they are "all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation".  To name a few.

3. I'm sure that encompasses more than I know.

4. - 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Their agreement with, and non contradiction to, the word of God, of course.

5. - John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

The above for one.




I am glad that you found John 18:37.

This in fact is Jesus statement that He, in His birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension is the Spirit of Prophecy.   It is the testimony that Jesus provided, that is the spirit of the prophecies that pointed forward to his coming.  Jesus himself said in Luke 16:16.

 16"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

and further in Luke 24, speaking to the disciples on the road to Emaus....

25He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

John the Beloved describes in 1 John 5 what it means to ‘have the testimony of Jesus’…  He

 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
 9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.



The spirit of prophecy is the Testimony of the PERSON of Jesus who came as the Word made flesh to dwell among us and as Emmanuel, God with us.  In Jesus is the reality of all Gods promises and prophecies.  He is our salvation. Belief in Jesus is to have the witness in ourselves, to receive the testimony of Jesus and we share in his testimony as we tell others of what He did to achieve our salvation.

The gift of prophecy is not the spirit of prophecy.  Ellen White, in her talks, books, writings and compilations - original, reworded or renamed, is not the spirit of prophecy.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2010, 07:36:07 PM »

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The spirit of prophecy is the Testimony of the PERSON of Jesus who came as the Word made flesh to dwell among us and as Emmanuel, God with us.  In Jesus is the reality of all Gods promises and prophecies.  He is our salvation. Belief in Jesus is to have the witness in ourselves, to receive the testimony of Jesus and we share in his testimony as we tell others of what He did to achieve our salvation.

The gift of prophecy is not the spirit of prophecy.  Ellen White, in her talks, books, writings and compilations - original, reworded or renamed, is not the spirit of prophecy.

No person ca be the spirit of prophecy.  They can only have it, as a gift from God.  I have heard SDA's say that EGW is the spirit of prophecy spoken of in the book of Revelation, they are wrong for that.  I don't know if they misunderstand, or just misspeak.  She is an example of someone having the spirit of prophecy, not the spirit of prophecy itself. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2010, 08:38:19 PM »


Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Well then - What is the testimony of Jesus?  What does the Bible say it is?

The commandments of GOD and the faith of JESUS (unquote)

Faith is the substance and the evidence ( unquote)

Exactly what Jesus lived. Smile
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