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Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« on: Tue Dec 20, 2011 - 11:41:39 »
Since the scriptures are clear that no other day was made as the day of worship except the seventh day, and the Commandments show this with unblinking clarity to Christians. If they are fully aware that Sunday worship is not ordained by God or anywhere in the Bible or given by Christ or the apostles, and with full knowledge continue to transgress what is shown to them from scripture, will God wink at it, lets look at scripture......

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:


It shows that God allows for mankinds ignorance, but we have Christians who are aware of the history of Sunday worship. Sunday was the established day of festival, a pagan day to the gods in the pagan world. Later, when these pagans professed Christianity, they gradually brought the practice of the pagan festivals on Sunday with them into the church, and the bishops looked the other way as long as they had 'converts' to show they were more influential or had more numbers than other bishops.

Now from scripture we see the people of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, including Jesus Christ Himself (e.g. Luke 4:16), observed the Sabbath. No where in the Bible, including after Christ's resurrection, will you find people observing the first day of the week, Sunday, as a replacement for the Sabbath.

So if Christians, knowing that Sunday is not the Sabbath, and knowing the Commandments show what is transgression or iniquity/sin, and clearly show what day is the Sabbath, continue to transgress what God commands, what will happen to them when Christ comes...

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« Reply #1 on: Tue Dec 20, 2011 - 11:48:52 »
So lets take a closer look at transgression, or what is inquity or sin, from scripture. If we look it is any thought, word or action, omission or desire, contrary to the law of God.(Rom.8:3) Sin in us has been condemned, thus when we come humbly to God and confess our wrong doing in repentance, the Father forgives and justifies us of all sin, which are the acts committed against his law.

Titus 2:14 speaks about the sacrifice of Christ and says,“Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Dec 20, 2011 - 12:01:24 »
If we choose to deny the sacrifice of Christ and continue to live in sin, there will be consequences. Jeremiah 5:25 says,“Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Dec 20, 2011 - 13:54:26 »
Hobie you need to understand the decision of Acts 15 and the comments of Acts 21 as to how and WHO it applied to.

Gentile christians were exempt from the Law except for 4 prohibitions.  Jews were to contintue to keep Moses. Since the Jews had to keep it, you will find nothing sayig it was gone.

So unless you are Jewish, there is nothing wrong with Sunday.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Dec 20, 2011 - 14:11:00 »
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So unless you are Jewish, there is nothing wrong with Sunday.

There is nothing wrong in ANY day.
Rom 14:5 One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

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« Reply #5 on: Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 13:47:26 »
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So unless you are Jewish, there is nothing wrong with Sunday.

There is nothing wrong in ANY day.
Rom 14:5 One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

and confussion reigns, now any day is fine. No the Bible clearly says the Seventh day and not to worship other gods espcially Baal or the pagan sun gods, which Sunday worship is part of.  Scripture shows that Paul observed the Sabbath and not just any day..
Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 13:51:16 »
Hobie you need to understand the decision of Acts 15 and the comments of Acts 21 as to how and WHO it applied to.

Gentile christians were exempt from the Law except for 4 prohibitions.  Jews were to contintue to keep Moses. Since the Jews had to keep it, you will find nothing sayig it was gone.

So unless you are Jewish, there is nothing wrong with Sunday.
The Law still applies as it did at Creation, with Noah, with Abraham...God doesnt change His Law. Paul explains it, you just have to see and understand what he is saying....
Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

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« Reply #7 on: Sat Dec 24, 2011 - 23:14:39 »
So let me see if I have this right, you say the mark of the beast is the Sunday law?

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« Reply #8 on: Sat Dec 24, 2011 - 23:53:58 »

The Law still applies as it did at Creation, with Noah, with Abraham...God doesnt change His Law. Paul explains it, you just have to see and understand what he is saying....

Romans 7:7  What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.



Another do as I say, but not as I do huh? Do you continue to sin?

Romans 2:21  Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
 
Romans 2:22  Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 05:43:21 »
I am also a Sabbath keeper but there is nothing wrong with worshipping on Sunday. There was a time in the book of Acts were the disciples were in the synagogue 7 days a week. I believe that we should keep the Sabbath day but it's perfectly fine to meet together on Sunday if you wish. Infact, many of the early churches began to meet on Sunday's as well as keep the Sabbath.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 09:07:17 »
I simply do not understand how you turn a graven or stamped image (charagma 5480)(mark of beast) in their hand into a Sunday law.......

The whole purpose is to use buying and selling to get them to take the image and thus sealing their fate. It is those people who have their fate sealed with their god Satan.... ... Satan wants them to be where he will be the lake of fire.....

How does someone get Sunday law out of stamped image (mark) Wow
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« Reply #11 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 09:58:49 »
I simply do not understand how you turn a graven or stamped image (charagma 5480)(mark of beast) in their hand into a Sunday law......./size]

The only stamped image in peoples hands are credit cards. They are embossed, marked, stamped. It's old technology that needs to be done away with.

My family has been in the embossing business for centuries. First they made combs with an embossing machine, my grandfather had a permanent mark on his hand from it, lined like a comb. He didn't want to be in the business so he went into the business of banking but was accused of stealing money he never took and went to jail. Then he came to America and worked as a janitor cleaning up cinema's, I remember helping with the rest of the family to clean it. Then my father got into the credit card business, again with the embossing machines. He also found a comb machine in America but never uses it. Embossing machines are even used in hospitals to ID babies with the wrist bands.
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« Reply #12 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 11:45:22 »
Credit card?  And what about the head?

Hand - credit card
head - hat?

In the Greek it's a stamped or graven image
in the hand.  A stamped image would indeed be into the layers of the hand

how anyone can take the mark to be a Sunday law I'll never know....

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« Reply #13 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 12:10:19 »
Credit card?  And what about the head?

Hand - credit card
head - hat?

In the Greek it's a stamped or graven image
in the hand.  A stamped image would indeed be into the layers of the hand

how anyone can take the mark to be a Sunday law I'll never know....

I don't understand the Sunday law either.

Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 13:31:52 »
So if Christians, knowing that Sunday is not the Sabbath, and knowing the Commandments show what is transgression or iniquity/sin, and clearly show what day is the Sabbath, continue to transgress what God commands, what will happen to them when Christ comes...

I plan to continue to transgress the fourth commandment, SO HELP ME GOD, WEEK AFTER WEEK !!!!

Yes sir, if it is a sin to put Jesus first on my agenda for the week, sue me.

If it is a sin to TURN FROM THE COMMANDMENT in order to put God first, call the police !!!!

Luke 17:12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go show yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
(I will tell you where the nine are, they are too busy obeying commandments)
18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

Here are people that Jesus told them what he wanted to do, and they answered back: NO, not that, I want you to do something else instead.  And they got blessed.

Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

Jer 35:1 The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying,
2 Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink.
3 Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites;
4 And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door:
5 And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine.
6 But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever:
7 Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any: but all your days ye shall dwell in tents; that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers.
8 Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters;
9 Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed:
10 But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us.
11 But it came to pass, when Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came up into the land, that we said, Come, and let us go to Jerusalem for fear of the army of the Chaldeans, and for fear of the army of the Syrians: so we dwell at Jerusalem.
12 Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
13 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD.
14 The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me.
15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.
16 Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me:
17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.
18 And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:
19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

This is the best example of awesome disobedience (with the purpose of putting God first, above the commandment):

Mk 7:36 And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it;

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 07:28:36 »
I am also a Sabbath keeper but there is nothing wrong with worshipping on Sunday. There was a time in the book of Acts were the disciples were in the synagogue 7 days a week. I believe that we should keep the Sabbath day but it's perfectly fine to meet together on Sunday if you wish. Infact, many of the early churches began to meet on Sunday's as well as keep the Sabbath.

We should not be concerned with what PEOPLE have done or still do but with what GOD says WE SHOULD DO. That is the overall message of the Bible .
It is a bad idea to 'hold between two opinions 1Kgs.18v21; 2Kgs.17.
God considers it 'adultery and polluting what is holy.
Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy, NEVER the sunday.

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« Reply #16 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 08:40:47 »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 13:16:38 »
Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy, NEVER the sunday.

We know, and we dont care.  We dont care about the 4th comamndment that commands us to put God last on our agenda for the week.  We refuse to serve our eartly bosses before serving the Lord first, we refuse to serve our family or anyone else before Service the Lord first. We do not do that because it is commanded, we do it because that is what we love to do.  That is why we dont care about the 4th commandment.   We have to decide what we will do on the day of rest, we either rest from any work (and meet the commmandment), or work to fulfill the spirit of the law (which means breaking the letter of the law).  And if worshipping God first thing on our agenda for the week means we are breaking the 4th commandment, so be it.

Do we look like people that want to impress you with how holy we are?  Do we look like we go to church to talk about the righteousness of man?  I hope not.  We are all about the righteousness of Jesus, the blood of the lamb of God, Calvary, needing a Savior, and thanking God for his grace and his free gift of salvation. 

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 14:56:26 »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

I agree with you larry2. I just referred to sabbath/sunday because of the OP.
The Sabbath is of course included in the 10 Which GOD personally gave Ex.20v1.
The reason they were then passed to Moses was because the people wanted it so v19 , they rejected God from speaking to them. People then ERRONIOUSLY ASSUMED them to be part of the law of Moses with the disastrous result that the Commandments were falsly considered to be nailed to the cross....when in truth only the 'works of the law' became obsolete.
This false teaching traditional Christians follow is a punishment for not believing GOD Himself. Man can not assume things according to his own understanding and hope to get away with it . They follow false ways they are in error and be judged accordingly.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 15:11:47 »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

The Commandments were falsly considered to be nailed to the cross....when in truth only the 'works of the law' became obsolete.


I sure like the way you put this. Thanks.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 17:22:52 »
Quote from: Talking Donkey
We know, and we dont care.

Thanks for summing it up so short and to the point.
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« Reply #21 on: Wed Dec 28, 2011 - 20:13:19 »
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We know, and we dont care.

Thanks for summing it up so short and to the point.

Well yes, but did you listen?  Or are you going back to argue your point by justifying yourself stating things we do not believe in, as if we do?

I wished you all sabbath keepers will just stop using your brainwashed arguments that are not the real reasons why we worship on Sunday.  Things like:

"Only the seventh day was sanctified, never Sunday."  or,

"Where does it say in the Bible to change the Sabbath into Sunday?" or,

"Nowhere are we commanded to gather as a congregation on Sunday."

Let me say it again... WE KNOW !!! AND WE DONT FLIPPING CARE !!!!!

Not one Christian that meets on Sunday does it because of your brainwashed reasons.  Not one single one.  All those brainwashed reasons are the ones repeated to Sabbbath keepers and they repeat them as parrots.  Not one of those are any argument that we use for Sunday keeping.  You live in your brainwashed world.

Sunday keeping has nothing to do with any law of God.  It has nothing to do with something we HAVE TO DO.  It has nothing to do with any requirement by God.  It has everything to do with the lesson of the Samaritan leper.  It is sign that we are not under the law, but do business driven by something else beside the LAW of God, we are driven by love generated inside the heart evident in the Samaritan leper and those healed by Jesus.  As it is written (holy disobedience Batman!):

Mk 7:36 And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it;

EVERYTHING.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 03:04:13 »
Hobie you need to understand the decision of Acts 15 and the comments of Acts 21 as to how and WHO it applied to.

Gentile christians were exempt from the Law except for 4 prohibitions.  Jews were to contintue to keep Moses. Since the Jews had to keep it, you will find nothing sayig it was gone.

So unless you are Jewish, there is nothing wrong with Sunday.
So are you saying Gentile Christians can steal, murder, and worship other gods and Gods Law (not Moses) doesnt apply?

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« Reply #23 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 06:51:56 »
Moses definatly does not directly apply; however, James added in as an aside comment that Moses was read in the synagogues every sabbath. (which I take to be encouragement to LEARN the Mosaic covenant and how it works)

Worshipping another god is one of the prohibitions listed in Acts 15.
Murder MAY be included in the list depending on how you intrepret it.

As to stealing, Paul addresses that and other issues elsewhere (writing to Gentiles) but they are not the absolute prohibitions that the others are.

The Acts 15 list of 4 prohibitions:

1 No idol worship.  (self explainatory)
2 No pornia.  (pornia includes any violation of the Torah's sexual commands)
3 No eating strangled meat.  (the blood can not drain properly)
4 No blood. (if one takes this list as a subset of the Noachide Laws, this means no shedding of innocent blood - murder)

As to #4 - it could be taken to not eat meat with the blood still in it, but that seems to be covered by #3.   It also could be taken to prohibit married sex during menses - but that is DEFINATELY covered by #2.  So I take it as a prohibition against murder.

Edited to add:

The Tikkun congregations are the ONLY place I have ever heard Acts 15 and Acts 21 expounded on. Why does everyone, sabbath keepers, law keepers and those who reject both those positions NOT give a good hard look at these passages? ??? ?
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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #24 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 09:28:22 »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 
So then is the Law thrown away because we continue to sin, 'God Forbid'..

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« Reply #25 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 10:24:27 »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

So then is the Law thrown away because we continue to sin, 'God Forbid'..


::smile::  No, the law continues to do its work as the Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: John 16:8. And then if I were under the law still, I would not consider myself righteous just because I had a mission to keep the Sabbath, and break the remaining nine laws; let alone trying to convince others to do something I didn't do myself.

Romans 7:7  ". .  I had not known sin, but by the law." Romans Chapter Seven is a wonderful testimony of Paul as he fought the Old man," or carnal nature; that same thing that keeps you and I sinning as we yield to the flesh. But thank God as we read in Romans  8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus."


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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #26 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 17:23:40 »
We should not be concerned with what PEOPLE have done or still do but with what GOD says WE SHOULD DO. That is the overall message of the Bible .
It is a bad idea to 'hold between two opinions 1Kgs.18v21; 2Kgs.17.
God considers it 'adultery and polluting what is holy.
Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy, NEVER the sunday.
Excellent points!  Thanks!

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #27 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 17:25:50 »
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"Only the seventh day was sanctified, never Sunday."  or,

"Where does it say in the Bible to change the Sabbath into Sunday?" or,

"Nowhere are we commanded to gather as a congregation on Sunday."

Let me say it again... WE KNOW !!! AND WE DONT FLIPPING CARE !!!!!
Going by the facts and the Bible do not constitute brainwashing.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #28 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 20:24:33 »
Going by the facts and the Bible do not constitute brainwashing.

Just like the 9 lepers, they went to see the priest based on the facts of what Jesus had told them and they did not considered themselves to be brainwashed when they did business by obeying commands, and yet, Jesus was disappointed at them and happy with the one that TURNED BACK from the commandment because he had to put Jesus first ...  how's that for a fact?  How's that Luke 17 story for a Bible foundation?

Brainwashing impairs judgment.  You can only get the point of the ten lepers by being dead to the law, only then will you be able to see the beauty of putting Jesus first on our agenda for the week.


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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #29 on: Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 20:29:11 »
Jesus always comes first for all Bible-believing Christians.

We should not be "dead to the law" (whatever that means exactly) because one of the functions of the Law is to point us to Christ, our Redeemer from our sins (which the Law exposes).

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #30 on: Sat Dec 31, 2011 - 09:35:59 »
In this corner... weighing the same as a feather .... the word of man !

We should not be "dead to the law" (whatever that means exactly) because one of the functions of the Law is to point us to Christ, our Redeemer from our sins (which the Law exposes).

And in this corner, weighing more than the entire universe put together, the word of GOD.

Whatever that means?

You do not know what that means?  WOW.  Oh, wait, God will answer your ignorance about it, you claim you do not know what that means... here comes God's answer ...

Rom 7:1  Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; (pay attention, here are the reasons why you need to be dead to the law!!!) that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Peace

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« Reply #31 on: Sat Dec 31, 2011 - 09:59:54 »
>Oh, wait, God will answer your ignorance about it, you claim you do not know what that means.

Okay, we're done.  I'm through with being insulted.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #32 on: Mon Jan 02, 2012 - 09:26:33 »
It is written:

Ps 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Great peace indeed.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #33 on: Mon Jan 02, 2012 - 09:57:13 »
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You do not know what that means?  WOW.  Oh, wait, God will answer your ignorance about it, you claim you do not know what that means... here comes God's answer ...

Rom 7:1  Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; (pay attention, here are the reasons why you need to be dead to the law!!!) that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Peace

You never cease, to twist the meaning of the Holy scriptures to your own understanding.  Please take heed to the following warning.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:15-16 (KJV)

Let us continue on in Romans 7 through some of chapter eight, and get a little context, shall we.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.[/u] 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:7-25 (KJV)

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:1-9 (KJV)


You have twisted the words of the Apostle Paul, to say the exact opposite of what he intended.  Please repent, you are in danger of suffering the destruction which the Apostle Peter warns us about.  You are doing the very thing he warned against, concerning the very Apostle he was speaking of.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #34 on: Mon Jan 02, 2012 - 11:42:04 »
It is written:

Ps 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Great peace indeed.

Yes, but that still does not justify you trying....