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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2011, 06:28:36 AM »
I am also a Sabbath keeper but there is nothing wrong with worshipping on Sunday. There was a time in the book of Acts were the disciples were in the synagogue 7 days a week. I believe that we should keep the Sabbath day but it's perfectly fine to meet together on Sunday if you wish. Infact, many of the early churches began to meet on Sunday's as well as keep the Sabbath.

We should not be concerned with what PEOPLE have done or still do but with what GOD says WE SHOULD DO. That is the overall message of the Bible .
It is a bad idea to 'hold between two opinions 1Kgs.18v21; 2Kgs.17.
God considers it 'adultery and polluting what is holy.
Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy, NEVER the sunday.

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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2011, 07:40:47 AM »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2011, 12:16:38 PM »
Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy, NEVER the sunday.

We know, and we dont care.  We dont care about the 4th comamndment that commands us to put God last on our agenda for the week.  We refuse to serve our eartly bosses before serving the Lord first, we refuse to serve our family or anyone else before Service the Lord first. We do not do that because it is commanded, we do it because that is what we love to do.  That is why we dont care about the 4th commandment.   We have to decide what we will do on the day of rest, we either rest from any work (and meet the commmandment), or work to fulfill the spirit of the law (which means breaking the letter of the law).  And if worshipping God first thing on our agenda for the week means we are breaking the 4th commandment, so be it.

Do we look like people that want to impress you with how holy we are?  Do we look like we go to church to talk about the righteousness of man?  I hope not.  We are all about the righteousness of Jesus, the blood of the lamb of God, Calvary, needing a Savior, and thanking God for his grace and his free gift of salvation. 

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Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love your law: and nothing shall offend them.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2011, 01:56:26 PM »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

I agree with you larry2. I just referred to sabbath/sunday because of the OP.
The Sabbath is of course included in the 10 Which GOD personally gave Ex.20v1.
The reason they were then passed to Moses was because the people wanted it so v19 , they rejected God from speaking to them. People then ERRONIOUSLY ASSUMED them to be part of the law of Moses with the disastrous result that the Commandments were falsly considered to be nailed to the cross....when in truth only the 'works of the law' became obsolete.
This false teaching traditional Christians follow is a punishment for not believing GOD Himself. Man can not assume things according to his own understanding and hope to get away with it . They follow false ways they are in error and be judged accordingly.

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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2011, 02:11:47 PM »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

The Commandments were falsly considered to be nailed to the cross....when in truth only the 'works of the law' became obsolete.


I sure like the way you put this. Thanks.

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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2011, 04:22:52 PM »
Quote from: Talking Donkey
We know, and we dont care.

Thanks for summing it up so short and to the point.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2011, 05:13:30 PM by larry2 »

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2011, 07:13:19 PM »
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We know, and we dont care.

Thanks for summing it up so short and to the point.

Well yes, but did you listen?  Or are you going back to argue your point by justifying yourself stating things we do not believe in, as if we do?

I wished you all sabbath keepers will just stop using your brainwashed arguments that are not the real reasons why we worship on Sunday.  Things like:

"Only the seventh day was sanctified, never Sunday."  or,

"Where does it say in the Bible to change the Sabbath into Sunday?" or,

"Nowhere are we commanded to gather as a congregation on Sunday."

Let me say it again... WE KNOW !!! AND WE DONT FLIPPING CARE !!!!!

Not one Christian that meets on Sunday does it because of your brainwashed reasons.  Not one single one.  All those brainwashed reasons are the ones repeated to Sabbbath keepers and they repeat them as parrots.  Not one of those are any argument that we use for Sunday keeping.  You live in your brainwashed world.

Sunday keeping has nothing to do with any law of God.  It has nothing to do with something we HAVE TO DO.  It has nothing to do with any requirement by God.  It has everything to do with the lesson of the Samaritan leper.  It is sign that we are not under the law, but do business driven by something else beside the LAW of God, we are driven by love generated inside the heart evident in the Samaritan leper and those healed by Jesus.  As it is written (holy disobedience Batman!):

Mk 7:36 And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it;

EVERYTHING.

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Acts 4:31 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. 

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love your law: and nothing shall offend them.

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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 02:04:13 AM »
Hobie you need to understand the decision of Acts 15 and the comments of Acts 21 as to how and WHO it applied to.

Gentile christians were exempt from the Law except for 4 prohibitions.  Jews were to contintue to keep Moses. Since the Jews had to keep it, you will find nothing sayig it was gone.

So unless you are Jewish, there is nothing wrong with Sunday.
So are you saying Gentile Christians can steal, murder, and worship other gods and Gods Law (not Moses) doesnt apply?

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 05:51:56 AM »
Moses definatly does not directly apply; however, James added in as an aside comment that Moses was read in the synagogues every sabbath. (which I take to be encouragement to LEARN the Mosaic covenant and how it works)

Worshipping another god is one of the prohibitions listed in Acts 15.
Murder MAY be included in the list depending on how you intrepret it.

As to stealing, Paul addresses that and other issues elsewhere (writing to Gentiles) but they are not the absolute prohibitions that the others are.

The Acts 15 list of 4 prohibitions:

1 No idol worship.  (self explainatory)
2 No pornia.  (pornia includes any violation of the Torah's sexual commands)
3 No eating strangled meat.  (the blood can not drain properly)
4 No blood. (if one takes this list as a subset of the Noachide Laws, this means no shedding of innocent blood - murder)

As to #4 - it could be taken to not eat meat with the blood still in it, but that seems to be covered by #3.   It also could be taken to prohibit married sex during menses - but that is DEFINATELY covered by #2.  So I take it as a prohibition against murder.

Edited to add:

The Tikkun congregations are the ONLY place I have ever heard Acts 15 and Acts 21 expounded on. Why does everyone, sabbath keepers, law keepers and those who reject both those positions NOT give a good hard look at these passages? ??? ?
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2011, 08:28:22 AM »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 
So then is the Law thrown away because we continue to sin, 'God Forbid'..

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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2011, 09:24:27 AM »

Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy . .


As was the entire law, and yet there are those that continue to break it.

Romans 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

So then is the Law thrown away because we continue to sin, 'God Forbid'..


::smile::  No, the law continues to do its work as the Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: John 16:8. And then if I were under the law still, I would not consider myself righteous just because I had a mission to keep the Sabbath, and break the remaining nine laws; let alone trying to convince others to do something I didn't do myself.

Romans 7:7  ". .  I had not known sin, but by the law." Romans Chapter Seven is a wonderful testimony of Paul as he fought the Old man," or carnal nature; that same thing that keeps you and I sinning as we yield to the flesh. But thank God as we read in Romans  8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus."


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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2011, 04:23:40 PM »
We should not be concerned with what PEOPLE have done or still do but with what GOD says WE SHOULD DO. That is the overall message of the Bible .
It is a bad idea to 'hold between two opinions 1Kgs.18v21; 2Kgs.17.
God considers it 'adultery and polluting what is holy.
Only the sabbath (7th day) was sanctified and made holy, NEVER the sunday.
Excellent points!  Thanks!
"Analyzing Alleged Plagiarism in Nineteenth-Century Literature: A Case Study of Ellen G. White’s The Desire of Ages," by David J. Conklin, Jerry Moon, and Kevin Morgan Plagiary 2008 3(5): 1-29.

That study compared 47 authors with each other.  I now have 225 in the study.  The critics have yet to do even two authors.  That would require work; it is much easier to tell a lie.
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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2011, 04:25:50 PM »
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"Only the seventh day was sanctified, never Sunday."  or,

"Where does it say in the Bible to change the Sabbath into Sunday?" or,

"Nowhere are we commanded to gather as a congregation on Sunday."

Let me say it again... WE KNOW !!! AND WE DONT FLIPPING CARE !!!!!
Going by the facts and the Bible do not constitute brainwashing.
"Analyzing Alleged Plagiarism in Nineteenth-Century Literature: A Case Study of Ellen G. White’s The Desire of Ages," by David J. Conklin, Jerry Moon, and Kevin Morgan Plagiary 2008 3(5): 1-29.

That study compared 47 authors with each other.  I now have 225 in the study.  The critics have yet to do even two authors.  That would require work; it is much easier to tell a lie.
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When they cannot and will not tell you the truth on the simple stuff, why should you trust them on the more complex?

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2011, 07:24:33 PM »
Going by the facts and the Bible do not constitute brainwashing.

Just like the 9 lepers, they went to see the priest based on the facts of what Jesus had told them and they did not considered themselves to be brainwashed when they did business by obeying commands, and yet, Jesus was disappointed at them and happy with the one that TURNED BACK from the commandment because he had to put Jesus first ...  how's that for a fact?  How's that Luke 17 story for a Bible foundation?

Brainwashing impairs judgment.  You can only get the point of the ten lepers by being dead to the law, only then will you be able to see the beauty of putting Jesus first on our agenda for the week.

Acts 4:31 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. 

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love your law: and nothing shall offend them.

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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2011, 07:29:11 PM »
Jesus always comes first for all Bible-believing Christians.

We should not be "dead to the law" (whatever that means exactly) because one of the functions of the Law is to point us to Christ, our Redeemer from our sins (which the Law exposes).
"Analyzing Alleged Plagiarism in Nineteenth-Century Literature: A Case Study of Ellen G. White’s The Desire of Ages," by David J. Conklin, Jerry Moon, and Kevin Morgan Plagiary 2008 3(5): 1-29.

That study compared 47 authors with each other.  I now have 225 in the study.  The critics have yet to do even two authors.  That would require work; it is much easier to tell a lie.
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When they cannot and will not tell you the truth on the simple stuff, why should you trust them on the more complex?

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