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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2011, 08:35:59 AM »
In this corner... weighing the same as a feather .... the word of man !

We should not be "dead to the law" (whatever that means exactly) because one of the functions of the Law is to point us to Christ, our Redeemer from our sins (which the Law exposes).

And in this corner, weighing more than the entire universe put together, the word of GOD.

Whatever that means?

You do not know what that means?  WOW.  Oh, wait, God will answer your ignorance about it, you claim you do not know what that means... here comes God's answer ...

Rom 7:1  Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; (pay attention, here are the reasons why you need to be dead to the law!!!) that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Peace

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2011, 08:59:54 AM »
>Oh, wait, God will answer your ignorance about it, you claim you do not know what that means.

Okay, we're done.  I'm through with being insulted.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2012, 08:26:33 AM »
It is written:

Ps 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Great peace indeed.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2012, 08:57:13 AM »
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You do not know what that means?  WOW.  Oh, wait, God will answer your ignorance about it, you claim you do not know what that means... here comes God's answer ...

Rom 7:1  Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; (pay attention, here are the reasons why you need to be dead to the law!!!) that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Peace

You never cease, to twist the meaning of the Holy scriptures to your own understanding.  Please take heed to the following warning.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:15-16 (KJV)

Let us continue on in Romans 7 through some of chapter eight, and get a little context, shall we.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.[/u] 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:7-25 (KJV)

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:1-9 (KJV)


You have twisted the words of the Apostle Paul, to say the exact opposite of what he intended.  Please repent, you are in danger of suffering the destruction which the Apostle Peter warns us about.  You are doing the very thing he warned against, concerning the very Apostle he was speaking of.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2012, 10:42:04 AM »
It is written:

Ps 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Great peace indeed.

Yes, but that still does not justify you trying....

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2012, 09:26:27 AM »
You guys are so predictable!  Let me ask the question again...  Is it possible for a sabbath keeper to argue doctrine without accusing their opponents of having a poor character or going to he'll?  Is that possible? 

I will give you 7 more chances.  Stand by, let's count them.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2012, 10:37:19 AM »
You guys are so predictable!  Let me ask the question again...  Is it possible for a sabbath keeper to argue doctrine without accusing their opponents of having a poor character or going to he'll?  Is that possible?  

I will give you 7 more chances.  Stand by, let's count them.

Peace


Not if they are plainly teaching false doctrines as the Bible clearly shows, their fruits show.
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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2012, 04:33:52 AM »
Many Christians will be shocked and surprised to find the origin of pagan Sunday worship and will be very angry at their ministers and leaders for keeping the truth from them. It will be a bitter day when Christ comes and they discover that like Cain and Abel's worship, God chooses which to accept..

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2012, 04:45:10 AM »
Many Christians will be shocked and surprised to find the origin of pagan Sunday worship and will be very angry at their ministers and leaders for keeping the truth from them. It will be a bitter day when Christ comes and they discover that like Cain and Abel's worship, God chooses which to accept..
I agree.  Almost all gentile christians have never heard of "havdalah," let alone understand what it stands for or WHEN it is celebrated.

It is shown in Acts. It is FAR from pagan.....

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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2012, 06:23:04 PM »
Many Christians will be shocked and surprised to find the origin of pagan Sunday worship and will be very angry at their ministers and leaders for keeping the truth from them. It will be a bitter day when Christ comes and they discover that like Cain and Abel's worship, God chooses which to accept..
I agree.  Almost all gentile christians have never heard of "havdalah," let alone understand what it stands for or WHEN it is celebrated.

It is shown in Acts. It is FAR from pagan.....
Havdalah (Hebrew: הַבְדָּלָה, meaning 'separation') is a Jewish religious ceremony that marks the symbolic end of Shabbat and holidays, and ushers in the new week. Shabbat ends on Saturday night after the appearance of three stars in the sky. Some communities delay the Havdalah in order to prolong Shabbat.

Seems like you can use it will....can you give the verse in Acts?

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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2012, 12:32:50 PM »
Seems like you can use it will....can you give the verse in Acts?
Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when the disciples were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and continued his speech until midnight.

While breaking bread is not current practice in havdalah in the Jewish community, it was back then.  The first day of the week started at sundown Saturday.  So Paul then preached until midnight. It is a lot easier to do that if you start at 7 pm than 9 am.........

I have the breaking of bread in my havdalah liturgy, precisely because of this verse.

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2012, 12:39:07 PM »
Many Christians will be shocked and surprised to find the origin of pagan Sunday worship and will be very angry at their ministers and leaders for keeping the truth from them. It will be a bitter day when Christ comes and they discover that like Cain and Abel's worship, God chooses which to accept..


Jesus is our Sabbath rest the Bible says. God accepts our worship no matter what day or what hour. Why make such a big thing out of something that just doesnt matter to God?

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2012, 04:27:53 PM »
SUNDAY LAW IS COMING!

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Re: Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2012, 08:02:46 PM »
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You guys are so predictable!  Let me ask the question again...  Is it possible for a sabbath keeper to argue doctrine without accusing their opponents of having a poor character or going to he'll?  Is that possible? 

Most of us don't even believe in hell.  Not eternal torment anyway.  I wonder if you could produce a quote from someone saying you have a poor character?  I hope you don't think that anyone who disagrees with you, or feels they should warn you of danger they think you might be in, is saying you have a poor character.  On the other hand, we all have poor characters.  I'm sure the Lord is far from done with any of us.

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2012, 08:33:31 PM »

I hope you don't think that anyone who disagrees with you, or feels they should warn you of danger they think you might be in, is saying you have a poor character. 


Hey now, that makes this easier, and you can pat me on the back and tell me what a great guy I am.  ::smile::

Be warned. Galatians 5:4  Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Galatians 1:6  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Galatians 1:7  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 3:3  Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?