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Offline Imabear

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2008, 08:16:55 AM »
Good points    I mean the scripture says to avoid sexual immorality     but what is the list   

The Do's and don'ts

 ::eatingpopcorn:

who would be so brave to give that a go       

Mark, you crack me up.   rofl
 ::eatingpopcorn:

I think that's something the two should discuss, and both must be in agreement.  There should be no pressure, on either side.... as to my preference... keep it pure and simple and use what God gave you.

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2008, 08:20:47 AM »
Good points    I mean the scripture says to avoid sexual immorality     but what is the list   

The Do's and don'ts

 ::eatingpopcorn:

who would be so brave to give that a go       

Mark, you crack me up.   rofl
 ::eatingpopcorn:

I think that's something the two should discuss, and both must be in agreement.  There should be no pressure, on either side.... as to my preference... keep it pure and simple and use what God gave you.
so clown suits are out then   ::whistle::      rofl

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2008, 08:27:45 AM »
That depends,  Who's wearing the clown suit? ::takingphoto::

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2008, 01:08:02 PM »
I do believe milk is evil at least for me, although I indulge a little every so often in pizza with cheese. I had osteoarthritis until I quit milk and it hasn't come back in 6 years since I gave it up. I used to jokingly say I was made of cheese because I ate so much of it.

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2008, 01:49:36 PM »
Wow...who would have thought that we could connect toys and milk.  Now that I think about it....I've enjoyed toys (different kind now ::smile::)  and milk since I was a kid.

seekr......My purpose in asking for scripture references was to ask for more than tradition or opinion.  There is something running rampant in our world today when the issue of activities in the marriage bedroom are under such attack by our fellow brothers and sisters in the lord.

Mac...thank you so much for the hyperlink that you attached.

Bemark...for years I also just assumed that "avoid sexual immorality" meant those things that I considered not "right/weird/not normal" as "sexual immorality".  The greek for "sexual immorality" clearly was referring to adultery etc.  What if many of the things that we thought were wrong in the "marriage bedroom" were things that God didnt have an opinion on....How wild and crazy could a Christian Marriage Bedroom be?  What would the divorce rate drop to among believers....now our divorce rate is the same if not higher.  What if we could say Christian marriages not only had Christ at the center giving our marriages purpose and Joy...but also that a married couple could have amazing fun in the bedroom as well.  What if non believers found out that God desires that the Marriage Bedroom be a den of passion....oh yea and there is this guy named Jesus who loves them so much that he died for their sins...so they could be with their heavenly father who loved them before they were even born?   What if the only "don'ts" were don't have sex with someone other than your wife?

What if using language in the bedroom beyond the clinical was even OK?

Hehealedme....unfortunately the argument that if God approved of toys he would have supplied such toys in the beginning doesnt seem to make sense to me.  If you truly believe that the only thing appropriate were things that God provided in the beginning... wouldnt that apply to any type of medicine or modern appliance etc.  I will be very transparent here...my wife of almost 24 years has had the most intense times of enjoyment (if you know what I mean) of our lives with the help of a particular bunny (not our family pet).  Over the last 18 months our time together in the bedroom has gone through a metamorphisis(sp?).  Our relationship out of the bedroom is better than it has ever been in our life.

Let me wrap up for now with a huge observation my wife and I made about 18 months ago.  Anytime she said in the past "I am not comftorable with that" I mistakingly assumed she meant....she would never be comftorable with that.  There were many, many, (one more) many things that she was fine trying once that I assumed she never would go for.  God is amazing.

I look forward to other's thoughts.


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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2008, 02:12:13 PM »
Love the clown suit comments.

It really is between you and your mate what goes on in the bedroom. Some people may HAVE to use sex toys for various reasons such as age or health issues so it could help them.

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2008, 02:50:51 PM »
What Scripture defines as immorality.

Fornication and adultery are obvious transgressions.  But there is much more.

Incest: Leviticus 18:6
 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.

Pedophilia: Leviticus 18:21
'Do not give any of your children to pass through the fire to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

Homosexuality: Leviticus 18:22
'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Beastiality: Leviticus 18: 23
  'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.


Does the use of "toys", within the confines of marriage, violate any of these?

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2008, 03:09:24 PM »
Pedophilia: Leviticus 18:21
'Do not give any of your children to pass through the fire to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

What does Leviticus 18:21 have anything to do with pedophilia?

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2008, 03:16:53 PM »
jb,  Thank you for clarifying my broad description of "sexual immorality".  It is obvious that those areas do not belong in marriage bedroom and certainly are defined as sin.


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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2008, 03:20:42 PM »
The context of Leviticus 18 is sexual immorality. 

Molech, representing Hebrew [מלך],  was not only the name of a god but was also the name of a particular kind of sacrifice associated historically with cultures throughout the Middle East, including but not limited to the Jewish, Egyptian, Canaanite, Phoenician and related cultures in North Africa.

Such a sacrifice often involved the sexual molestation of the child before offering the child to be burned as a sacrifice.

Since the context is sexual in nature the application is also.

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2008, 12:39:35 AM »
Just to clear the maze in my head.  Does the bible say anything about masturbation?

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2008, 01:05:31 AM »
The context of Leviticus 18 is sexual immorality. 

Molech, representing Hebrew [מלך],  was not only the name of a god but was also the name of a particular kind of sacrifice associated historically with cultures throughout the Middle East, including but not limited to the Jewish, Egyptian, Canaanite, Phoenician and related cultures in North Africa.

Such a sacrifice often involved the sexual molestation of the child before offering the child to be burned as a sacrifice.

Since the context is sexual in nature the application is also.

Oh my God     That is just horrible      really     it is           


Manna to u as it just describes sin at its utmost      well to me it does

As a father of 3 girls          and to think that Jesus died for us all

Blows me away


Gods love       yet to understand the fullness

And again         I am broken and undone

Mark



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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2008, 05:52:01 AM »
Just to clear the maze in my head.  Does the bible say anything about masturbation?

The closest the Bible comes to dealing with masturbation is the
story of Onan spilling his seed on the ground (Gen. 38:9). However, it is
unclear if the specific act here was masturbation or withdrawal during sexual
intercourse.

Masturbation with illicit sexual fantasies or with use of pornography is wrong,
however. In Matt. 5:28, Jesus said that looking at a woman in lust is
committing adultery in the heart. A popular song of the sixties said "you
can't go to jail for what you're thinking". Maybe not, but this teaching of
Jesus states you're thinking can endanger your soul. The command
against looking at a woman in lust applies equally to women looking at men.
It also applies to looking at pictures and reading pornographic materials.

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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2008, 01:12:13 AM »
"Masturbation with illicit sexual fantasies or with use of pornography is wrong,
however."


IF masturbation with illicit sexual fantasies or with use of pornography is wrong, (definition of masturbation, erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies - merriam-webste) then can use of toys be right?


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Re: Are toys allowed in the marriage bedroom?
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2008, 10:44:36 AM »
"Masturbation with illicit sexual fantasies or with use of pornography is wrong,
however."


IF masturbation with illicit sexual fantasies or with use of pornography is wrong, (definition of masturbation, erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies - merriam-webste) then can use of toys be right?



The use of toy's need not involve pornography or illicit "lustful" fantasies. However, If such IS involved it is the lust aspect that is sinful, not the use of a toy.

Masturbation:  I have heard the claim that one can engage in this without illicit fantasies and such.  I find that difficult to believe, but that does not mean it cant happen.

Notice my comment: "Masturbation with illicit sexual fantasies or with use of pornography is wrong".  This statement does not say that the "act" itself is wrong, but, that the pornography and lust are.  There is more to the context of that comment than what you qouted.