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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2009, 09:02:28 PM »
Quote from: sahg on May 05, 2009, 06:03:44 PM
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Quote from: rppearso on May 05, 2009, 12:21:25 PM
You see I dont care what you tell me becasue I am a very intellegent individual who can read the scripture for myself, I know what the scripture says and im not adding to it.  It says do not withhold from one and other sexually (so unless you dont believe oral sex is sex, in which case this becomes a very differnet discussion) withholding oral sex is still withholding a type of sex and it is defrauding your spouse out of what is rightfully theres.  The passage then goes on to say that if you do, you cause your spouse to potentially commit adultry (ie stumble).  It is a very simple scripture.
Am I understanding you correctly ?
Are you saying that if the wife IS submitting sexually to her husbands needs, but just isnt doing OS, that SHE is CAUSING him to be a letch and go get it elsewhere ?

Im sorry, but while I dont see where we have any scriptural reason to stick our noses into what SORT (OS, AS) of sex a marriage man and woman partake of in the privacy of their bedroom, I really dont see where scripture would even remotely claim that since she ISNT actually depriving her husband sexually, that somehow she is responsible of he cant control himself in his demands for some other sort of sex.

So if the wife gets her sexual jollies sticking forks into the male anatomy, isnt it 'depriving' her if he refuses ?

FoC, thats funny, i needed a laugh!  
 

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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2009, 09:08:00 PM »
Quote from: Mac on May 05, 2009, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: rppearso on May 05, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
If a woman is going to act melo dramatic when it comes to sex acts she should not be getting married at all.

Good grief man. You act like that is the only reason you were married to her. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LOVED HER..

I mean what in the world would you have done if she would have became incapacitated for some reason? Rape her? Divorce her? Adultery? What would you have done?
 

For rppearso the no 1 reaons for marrying is to have all of his different sexual demands met. The rest takes a very low priority. I also fear for any future wife of his who cannot have sex at some point for one reason or another.   
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2009, 09:51:45 PM »
rppearso doesn't want a wife, he wants a sex slave. That's all women are here for in his mind.
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« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2009, 10:45:05 AM »
FOC had good advice, what is done in the bed room is a private matter and it was wrong of me to bring it up on forums.  I think this very thread is probably inappropriate as the core of the issue has to do with the same issues.  This issue should be left to the couple to negotiate, divorce or no divorce, as this is a very private matter.  I actually think it was wrong of me to bring my issues to the chruch or this forum, they should just be delt with privatly between the couple.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #94 on: May 06, 2009, 11:02:33 AM »
Quote from: rppearso on May 06, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
This issue should be left to the couple to negotiate, divorce or no divorce, as this is a very private matter.

You seem to think you have God's permission to divorce. And it shouldn't be up to the couple...it should be up to the couple who has God as the head of their marriage. A key ingredient missing in your prior relationship which assisted in its downfall.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
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« Reply #95 on: May 06, 2009, 11:41:53 AM »
Well we prayed, read the bible and went to chruch during most of our entire marraige.  When it came right down to it we should not have engaged the chruch as FOC is correct it is a private matter, of course I cant control what my ex does but I could have not engaged the chruch myself and she could have just done her own thing and that would have taken alot of stress of me.  Oh well such is life you live and learn.

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Quote from: rppearso on May 06, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
This issue should be left to the couple to negotiate, divorce or no divorce, as this is a very private matter.

You seem to think you have God's permission to divorce. And it shouldn't be up to the couple...it should be up to the couple who has God as the head of their marriage. A key ingredient missing in your prior relationship which assisted in its downfall.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #96 on: May 06, 2009, 12:31:02 PM »
Quote from: rppearso on May 06, 2009, 11:41:53 AM
Well we prayed, read the bible and went to chruch during most of our entire marraige.  When it came right down to it we should not have engaged the chruch as FOC is correct it is a private matter, of course I cant control what my ex does but I could have not engaged the chruch myself and she could have just done her own thing and that would have taken alot of stress of me.  Oh well such is life you live and learn.

Who cares what the church thinks? The issue here is what God thinks, and you don't have the right to interpret what He thinks.
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« Reply #97 on: May 06, 2009, 12:55:13 PM »
Each one of us has to read the bible and intrupret it for ourselves, you can get study bibles that help you accomplish this task also.  If we dont have that right then we do we own bibles or even read them we can just go to chruch and the chruch can tell you what to do, thats how things were done in the midevil times.  I am curious as to why you are still fighting with me on this issue, I conceded that FoC was correct and you still continue to brow beat.

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Quote from: rppearso on May 06, 2009, 11:41:53 AM
Well we prayed, read the bible and went to chruch during most of our entire marraige.  When it came right down to it we should not have engaged the chruch as FOC is correct it is a private matter, of course I cant control what my ex does but I could have not engaged the chruch myself and she could have just done her own thing and that would have taken alot of stress of me.  Oh well such is life you live and learn.

Who cares what the church thinks? The issue here is what God thinks, and you don't have the right to interpret what He thinks.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #98 on: May 06, 2009, 02:27:42 PM »
Quote from: rppearso on May 06, 2009, 12:55:13 PM
Each one of us has to read the bible and intrupret it for ourselves, you can get study bibles that help you accomplish this task also.  If we dont have that right then we do we own bibles or even read them we can just go to chruch and the chruch can tell you what to do, thats how things were done in the midevil times.  I am curious as to why you are still fighting with me on this issue, I conceded that FoC was correct and you still continue to brow beat.

There is One Truth. Not millions of truths as to how the readers "feel" they should be interpreting God's commandments. Ask God how He feels about your former wife.
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« Reply #99 on: May 06, 2009, 02:40:54 PM »
I agree there are not millions but there are a few differing opinions on inturpretation otherwise why would we have multipule denominations?  As far as my ex, its in the past and I am moving on but I agree with FoC that that is a private matter that I dont care to get into huge arguments over it anymore, it was wrong of me to bring up such private matters in the first place.

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Quote from: rppearso on May 06, 2009, 12:55:13 PM
Each one of us has to read the bible and intrupret it for ourselves, you can get study bibles that help you accomplish this task also.  If we dont have that right then we do we own bibles or even read them we can just go to chruch and the chruch can tell you what to do, thats how things were done in the midevil times.  I am curious as to why you are still fighting with me on this issue, I conceded that FoC was correct and you still continue to brow beat.

There is One Truth. Not millions of truths as to how the readers "feel" they should be interpreting God's commandments. Ask God how He feels about your former wife.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2009, 05:48:31 PM »
rppearso, your opinion on relationships is about as valuable as a child molestor's on day care.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2009, 06:07:32 PM »
Whatever

Quote from: fanuvmxpx on May 06, 2009, 05:48:31 PM
rppearso, your opinion on relationships is about as valuable as a child molestor's on day care.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #102 on: May 06, 2009, 09:24:52 PM »
if we are in a church (which we do need to be) it is Biblical for a pastor or elders to challenge someone who they see is doing things that are wrong or sinful. If a marriage is in trouble then they can help the couple to see what is Biblically appropriate and help them.I feel that they do have the right to challenge any seriously bad behaviour whether it be the husband the wife or anyone else in the church.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #103 on: May 06, 2009, 11:52:37 PM »
What about when it deals with private issues that ought not be brought up?  What if an individual challenges the churchs inturpretation?

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if we are in a church (which we do need to be) it is Biblical for a pastor or elders to challenge someone who they see is doing things that are wrong or sinful. If a marriage is in trouble then they can help the couple to see what is Biblically appropriate and help them.I feel that they do have the right to challenge any seriously bad behaviour whether it be the husband the wife or anyone else in the church.
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Re: is pornography grounds for divorce
« Reply #104 on: May 07, 2009, 07:09:09 AM »
Quote from: rppearso on May 06, 2009, 11:52:37 PM
What about when it deals with private issues that ought not be brought up?  What if an individual challenges the churchs inturpretation?

Quote from: chosenone on May 06, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
if we are in a church (which we do need to be) it is Biblical for a pastor or elders to challenge someone who they see is doing things that are wrong or sinful. If a marriage is in trouble then they can help the couple to see what is Biblically appropriate and help them.I feel that they do have the right to challenge any seriously bad behaviour whether it be the husband the wife or anyone else in the church.


 I suppose that I am talking about things that are clearly wrong such as someone who is in a  gay relationship, or committing adultery, or divorcing someone for no reason and such like. of course it is up to the people whether they listen or not but I would think that if nothing were said the leaders are not doing what they should be. I am not talking about leaders interferring where they are not wanted, or being too controlling, I hate it when they do that.
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