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Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 14:45:18 »
My fiance and I moved in together before I had accepted Jesus Christ as my savior.  He was already saved.  I am planning to get baptized on Sunday.  We have spoken to our pastor.  It's not feasible for either of us to move out and so we decided we would abstain.  That has not gone so well.  We have decided that we will get married next week or the week thereafter.  We just want to remove this inevitable sin from our lives so that we can continue on with our Christian lives.  We had already discussed marriage and were going to wait a couple of months but since we are having this problem we have decided to move this forward.  We are both ready and prepared to do the work so that we can have a good Christian marriage.  I'm 39 and he's 38 so we aren't young!

We are in disagreement with this passage...

1 Corinthians 7:36

My fiance says it means that because I am not a young woman then we can have sex as we are going to be married.  Can anyone else see this in there?


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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #1 on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 14:59:46 »
Wow - let's use the Bible to justify pre-marrital sex just because you aren't a virgin....

Let me get this straight....he is telling you a man, single or divorced, can have sex with any woman that is not married if she has been deflowered by someone else?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but really?!?!

What about:
7:1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote to me: it is good for a man not to touch a woman.
7:9 But if they don't have self-control, let them marry. For it's better to marry than to burn.
7:34 There is also a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world--how she may please her husband.
7:36 But if any man thinks that he is behaving inappropriately toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of her age, and if need so requires, let him do what he desires. He doesn't sin. Let them marry.

As for 7:9 - if you can't control it - get married!

As for 7:34 - how can an unmarried woman care about the things of the lord and be holy in both body and in spirit if the man she is engaged to is having his way with her?

As for 7:36 - is he completely dismissing the end of the verse?  Where it says "Let them marry."?

You cannot take a portion of a verse out of context and use it to justify your sin.  Period.



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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #2 on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 16:34:01 »
Wow - let's use the Bible to justify pre-marrital sex just because you aren't a virgin....

Let me get this straight....he is telling you a man, single or divorced, can have sex with any woman that is not married if she has been deflowered by someone else?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but really?!?!


No apology necessary.  It was more a tongue in cheek 'debate' we had this morning before he went to work.  We toyed with the idea that maybe it meant that since we are older, and I'm not a virgin, then we could have sex as long as we were going to get married.  Oh gosh, that sounds beyond ridiculous now!  ::blushing::
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What about:
7:1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote to me: it is good for a man not to touch a woman.
7:9 But if they don't have self-control, let them marry. For it's better to marry than to burn.
7:34 There is also a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world--how she may please her husband.
7:36 But if any man thinks that he is behaving inappropriately toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of her age, and if need so requires, let him do what he desires. He doesn't sin. Let them marry.

As for 7:9 - if you can't control it - get married!

As for 7:34 - how can an unmarried woman care about the things of the lord and be holy in both body and in spirit if the man she is engaged to is having his way with her?

As for 7:36 - is he completely dismissing the end of the verse?  Where it says "Let them marry."?

You cannot take a portion of a verse out of context and use it to justify your sin.  Period.




You're right.  Not being pedantic but what does it mean when it says 'let him do what he desires.  He doesn't sin.'  That's the bit we were debating.

Btw, we are trying to see if we can get everything together so that we can get married on Sunday.  That's a tall order but I just want to put all this behind us and enter into a good Christian marriage.  We have tried abstinence and that hasn't worked and we both want to do the right thing in God's eyes.  We are marrying because it is what God wants from us and because we want it too. 

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #3 on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 17:01:43 »
LOL - well try telling him to sleep on the couch the rest of the week - maybe that'll help  ::smile::

As for the bit about 'let him do what he desires.  He doesn't sin.'  I will have to wait another hour or so to reply - after I am home from work and can really look at the word (in NIV which I prefer) instead of this one on line and see what I can find....or someone else may have a point of view.


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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #4 on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 17:20:24 »
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He was already saved.

Guess a warm woman put Gods Word on the back burner..... The scriptures do not justify sex outside of marriage.  In our culture that does not mean engaged.

IF this guy is the right one GET MARRIED

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #5 on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 18:12:54 »
At the time the Bible was written, engagement was a binding oath along the lines of a marriage.  To break an engagement, you had to give a certificate of divorce.  In fact, the vows were part of the engagement, not the marriage.  The marriage ceremony was mainly a time of celebration and a time for others to bless the couple.

But even then engagement didn't give you the right to steal the nookie.

First, you had to fulfill your obligations to the agreement, and provide a house of your own to live in.  Then you could take the gal home.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #6 on: Wed Mar 03, 2010 - 18:57:53 »
R~

Ok, I am home now and looking at my NIV Study Bible.

The verse in question reads:
"If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants.  He is not sinning. They should get married."

The notes say "In the light of hostility toward believers in Corinth, a man might refrain from marrying his fiancee. But if he then realizes that his fiancee is getting beyond her prime marriageable age and the situation thus seems unfair to her, it is perfectly proper for them to get married."

Almost sounds like - don't worry about a long engagement....

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #7 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 08:04:07 »
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He was already saved.

Guess a warm woman put Gods Word on the back burner.....

Cheeky..lol

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The scriptures do not justify sex outside of marriage.  In our culture that does not mean engaged.

IF this guy is the right one GET MARRIED

That does raise the question, to me, as to what God defines as marriage.  Does his definition of marriage change depending on what our culture says is marriage?


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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #8 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 08:09:22 »
At the time the Bible was written, engagement was a binding oath along the lines of a marriage.  To break an engagement, you had to give a certificate of divorce.  In fact, the vows were part of the engagement, not the marriage.  The marriage ceremony was mainly a time of celebration and a time for others to bless the couple.

But even then engagement didn't give you the right to steal the nookie.

First, you had to fulfill your obligations to the agreement, and provide a house of your own to live in.  Then you could take the gal home.

LOL@steal the nookie.

We have a house and we are engaged.  Our congregation all know we are getting married.  Do we qualify?

I have a question though.  Does it matter whether the engagement were a legal agreement?  Is God concerned with the laws of man?  And if you could break the terms of an engagement by divorce doesn't that further the argument that the engagement wasn't a commitment to God?

Note to posters:  Thank you all for your input.  Please don't think I am being argumentative.  I'm just throwing questions out there and am genuinely interested in the responses.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #9 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 11:30:40 »
http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html

Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage / premarital sex?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #10 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 12:31:11 »
Thank you Victor.  I really appreciate your response and your referencing the chapter and verse.  Can I ask you what God considers to be a marriage?  (again, just asking)


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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #11 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 14:08:47 »
LOL@steal the nookie.

We have a house and we are engaged.  Our congregation all know we are getting married.  Do we qualify?
The situations are so radically different that I don't know how you can really apply the one to the other.  That was the point of my previous post, which kind of got lost in the middle of a bunch of history stuff.

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I have a question though.  Does it matter whether the engagement were a legal agreement?  Is God concerned with the laws of man?  And if you could break the terms of an engagement by divorce doesn't that further the argument that the engagement wasn't a commitment to God?
I don't think marriage has ever been a commitment TO God.  It's (usually) a commitment BEFORE God, which is to say that "God is your witness."

It's a commitment to each other, AND to each others' families.  The latter part used to be a much bigger deal than it is now. 

Actually, that was the point of the engagement.  The father of the bride would set down a list of requirements for the groom-to-be (stuff like, have a house, be able to support my daughter, live close enough that I can see my grandkids sometimes), and the engagement would last for as-long-as-it-took to fulfill those requirements.

That mostly doesn't apply now, so it's kind of tough to correspond what's written then with what happens now.

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« Reply #12 on: Thu Mar 04, 2010 - 18:56:28 »
Thank you Victor.  I really appreciate your response and your referencing the chapter and verse.  Can I ask you what God considers to be a marriage?  (again, just asking)

You don't know the answer?

"We have decided that we will get married next week or the week thereafter.  We just want to remove this inevitable sin from our lives so that we can continue on with our Christian lives.  We had already discussed marriage and were going to wait a couple of months but since we are having this problem we have decided to move this forward.  We are both ready and prepared to do the work so that we can have a good Christian marriage."

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #13 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 15:20:45 »
Hi Rachel,
 I have not read all of the responses yet, but I'm sure from your post alone, you  have received a lot of well answers, but I just wanted to answer anyway (smile).

The scripture from 1 Corinthians 7:36 does not justify pre-marital sex. What it says is, if a man has strong passion for a woman and he cannot control it (and some versions say 'and she is getting up in years) then marry her, it's not a sin. So, if a man is attracted to a woman but he feels his 'passions' are overcoming him (where he could sin if outside of God's will), then marry her. Marrying her will not be a sin. Paul said all of this AFTER he said that is good for man not to marry in this day and time b/c of all of the immorality occuring. But if a man has a sex with a woman outside of marriage, 2000 years ago or today, it is a sin.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 16:28:45 »
Thanks for your response.  I appreciate you taking the time to interpret the text for me.  It's all water under the bridge now though.  Check out my signature  ::smile:: ::smile:: ::smile:: ::smile::

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #15 on: Fri Mar 26, 2010 - 18:17:48 »
There is one other thing that needs to be considered.

Several periods of times past in Israel's history (such as the first trip to Sinai in Exodus) people were to "consecrate" themselves as a preparation for doubly purity period of time...and then go back to normal.

(no one could last long doing Temple duty...way too difficult)

So many of the Gentile believers were abstaining from any kind of sexual relations whatsoever. Even marriage. People were taking vows of celibacy thinking it was what had to happen in order to please God.

Paul also was telling them the urgency of the time and that the Gospel needed to be preached everywhere with fervor.

But it wasn't the end of the world...just a particular age that was coming.

These were Gentiles...all things of Judaism were a bit foreign to them to begin with and the few Jews running about were heavily tainted with the Law as they understood it....and not explaining things the best in the world to these people.

Paul wanted to set the record straight...Marriage is not a sin. Forbidding people to marry was.  Some people are cut out for the single lifestyle and some aren't...neither was wrong but one was richer in God than the other. (marriage takes time and focus to do well which takes time and focus off of witnessing and studying)

There were many cultural differences that had to be bridged...Paul was working against all kinds of misunderstandings.

Lets put it this way...

Your average guy in Ephesus would worship the Roman gods as part of normal business...which meant services of a prostitute were regularly engaged. The man would have a girlfriend and a wife. None of which was secret. Paul said for the men to Love their wives.
But men didn't love their wives...they were strictly for reproductive purposes...nothing else. Love was out of the question. They viewed Paul as a radical for this sort of suggestion. also the bit about wives respecting their husbands...also very radical idea to them as well...women were almost one step above property...

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #16 on: Sat Mar 27, 2010 - 01:23:43 »
Thanks John.  That's really helpful information.  I'm glad my questions were taken as I intended.  It is an interesting question to me.  I appreciate your response.  I can go back and read Paul's references to marriage with a greater understanding.  Thank you.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #17 on: Sat Mar 27, 2010 - 05:12:03 »
i think as long as you are in a committed relationship, sex before marriage is acceptable in god's eyes.  you guys clearly are committed to one another, so i wouldnt worry about it. 

lets face facts, god is supposed to love us all no matter what. 

and - what about people who cant get married but want to share their bodies with each other?  sometimes people just cant afford to get married.  are they supposed to wait??  what happens if they can never afford to get married????

surely god wouldnt want us to be lonely and unloved?


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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #18 on: Fri Jul 01, 2011 - 23:57:43 »
"You have such a lovely way of rejecting the commandments of God"  Mark 7:9

i think as long as you are in a committed relationship, sex before marriage is acceptable in god's eyes.  you guys clearly are committed to one another, so i wouldnt worry about it. 

lets face facts, god is supposed to love us all no matter what. 

and - what about people who cant get married but want to share their bodies with each other?  sometimes people just cant afford to get married.  are they supposed to wait??  what happens if they can never afford to get married????

surely god wouldnt want us to be lonely and unloved?



What part of not committing adultery aren't you getting?  It says to get married BEFORE having sex.  Even betrothed aren't supposed to sleep together, why else do you think it was so shocking when Mary turned up pregnant (remember, most people didn't know it was imacculate conception, they thought it was regular old conception conception...)

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« Reply #19 on: Sat Jul 02, 2011 - 13:33:07 »
Hi, Rachel . . . I see this is still going. I am Bill . . . good to see you ::smile:: You asked, what is marriage? I'll offer a little of what I have >

Well, Mary and Joseph were engaged; and if Joseph was surprised that Mary got pregnant, then it would seem he had not been having sex with her so she could get pregnant. And they were a godly couple, I would say, who would do things God's way. If sex would have been ok, why wouldn't they?

"'If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man find her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he humbled his neighbor's wife; so you shall put away the evil from among you.'" (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

So, it is a death penalty offense to have sex with a virgin who is another man's fiancée. So, cheating while engaged is a death penalty offense. And it looks like while the woman is engaged, she is a virgin, though she is called her fiancé's "wife". If sex would be ok, why is she still a virgin? Well, it could be she is too young but has been promised, "but it doesn't say anything about the age of the virgin!" ::smile::

I would say that marriage is when two engaged people end their virginity with each other. However . . . Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter seven was writing to Christians who would be family all together. So, couples who belonged together would be known to the others, and they would understand who was with who. And I would say ones would not go on to sex without first having agreement with their other Jesus family people. There would be accountability, not secret stuff. And the real leaders are approved by God; so if God trusts our really Christian leaders, He certainly expects us to trust them, too, including by obeying what they say about when sex starts > Hebrews 13:17. So, I would say marriage begins after there is oneness with trust with our other Jesus people whom we know God trusts, and when then we have sex.

"Because sex for Christians is not just a physical act, but in trust and intimacy with all our other Jesus family people. It is an act of love, which involves trust and honesty."

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #20 on: Thu Jul 14, 2011 - 18:05:33 »
This is not easy because there are many Christians who feel pre-marital sex is ok as long as the two of you love each other.
But since you asked me (laughing), in my opinion, based on my relationship with God and His word, I find pre-marital sex out of God's will for my life.
And, I believe since you are asking this question on the board, you already have some sort of conviction about it.
Sure, God could allow you to have pre-marital sex. But that doesn't mean it is right. Also, consider this scripture 'Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial;. (1 Corinthians 10:23)

I'll be honest: there are certain things I do that I would not want my son to know about or do; yet, I do them. Which means, its permissible, but it may not be beneficial). I wouldn't want my child to know about it, so it must be an issue. I waver back and forth on whether its right or not, so it must be an issue.

So, with all of that said, if you have a problem with it, be firm and let your fiance know. If you are not ready spiritually to marry him, you may have to make some not so easy decisions. But you know good and well you can't live in the house with that man who you have already had some good sex with and just quit cold turkey! (laughing).

I hope you and your fiance can make the right decision, together. It would be good....

Just my 3.7 cents..

Stefanie


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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #21 on: Thu Jul 14, 2011 - 18:08:19 »
Oh wow, lol, I just realized this post from Rachel (the OP) was done over a year ago!!!! And she said she was good with it! (laughing)...well, glad to know.

Rachel, if you're out there in Gracecentered land, hope all is well for you these days!

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Jul 14, 2011 - 20:57:33 »
Oh wow, lol, I just realized this post from Rachel (the OP) was done over a year ago!!!! And she said she was good with it! (laughing)...well, glad to know.

Rachel, if you're out there in Gracecentered land, hope all is well for you these days!


LOL, Rachel & Bubba probably got Bubba junior by now!  ::noworries::

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #23 on: Sat Oct 01, 2011 - 02:40:26 »
Pre-marital sex is a sin.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun Oct 16, 2011 - 11:02:24 »
In verse 36 it says "your virgin.." That means it is talking to who 'owns' the virgin. Until marriage that would be the parents. IT is OK to allow your virgin daughter to get married.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #25 on: Tue Nov 22, 2011 - 19:08:55 »
And yet in the Old Testament with see David with a house full of wives and concubines as well as it was no secret that Tamara presented herself as a prostitute to Judah and yet the Bible does not condemn this, quite the contrary, it condemns Judah for denying Tamara his son and therefore heirs and Judah calls her righteous.

It doesn't seem so black and white to me.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #26 on: Thu Dec 15, 2011 - 09:34:28 »
Hi all  ::smile::
I know this is an old topic and the most recent post was last month, but I see people reading these old topics so thought I'd respond  ::nodding::.

Most of what I've read here seems to be pretty "Legalistic" (Following the "Rules" instead of getting to know God personally, and wanting His will in your life, instead of using His word to justify what you want, like so many did in the Old Testament times). and reminds me a lot about the way the pharisee's were back in Jesus time. Just and observation. Not name calling or pointing fingers, or trying to cause trouble. I used to be "legalistic too, before God changed my heart. I think it's pretty much how we start out, and God understands more than we do that it's a process of growth, this Christian life. God is so amazing. His word says that" His patience is unto salvation". In other words, His Grace and Mercy are working 24/7.

What's really cool over time, is that as our heart softens towards God, and our desire more and more is to want to please God and have things His way instead of our own, because we see Him over the years providing and protecting us, sometimes from ourselves - LOL  rofl, and we experiences His choices being way better than our own, so we see who is much wiser, and we get tired of suffering the consequences of "OUR OWN" wrong choices - at least I did. Maybe most are smarter than me  ::frustrated:: ::shrug:: ::smile::.

Anyway, the lady who started this topic is most likely married by now, and hopefully the two of them have made the right choice, and God is blessing their union.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #27 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 22:09:11 »
This was an interesting read...however for the record, SEX IS ONLY RIGHT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF MARRIAGE!!!!! Marriage is a covenant made between two parties before God, and witnessed by others (So there can't be a "we got married in the bedroom even though nobody was there with us, but God saw us")

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #28 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 01:37:24 »
"got married in the bedroom?"  I've heard of lots of things to do in the bedroom, but never that one...

I had a colonel once in the army who told me that if you have to explain your actions, it's an excuse.  That's exactly what that sounds like.  And just like Col. Potter, God won't accept excuses.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #29 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 03:13:37 »
"got married in the bedroom?"  I've heard of lots of things to do in the bedroom, but never that one...

I had a colonel once in the army who told me that if you have to explain your actions, it's an excuse.  That's exactly what that sounds like.  And just like Col. Potter, God won't accept excuses.

Yes could be a little crowded in the bedroom with the priest, family, friends, as well as the couple. lol. Mind you people do get married in the strangest places these days!
I suppose people will always try to find loopholes, but in this matter, there arent any. Get married THEN have sex. Simple.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #30 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:42:55 »
Yep. Makes life a little less complicated.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #31 on: Mon May 21, 2012 - 21:59:26 »
It is a trick of the devil. Get married immediately. You have sacrificed enough. Instead of burning with passion, get married.

God bless you.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #32 on: Wed Jun 20, 2012 - 06:31:47 »
As long as you don't have traditional sex, it should be ok. That is, intercourse with your reproductive parts is strictly forbidden. But oral sex, anal sex, or stimulation by hand should not be a problem. Good luck, and may God light your way.


Are you kidding???Normal sex isnt ok before marriage, but anal or oral sex is??????

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #33 on: Wed Jun 20, 2012 - 07:05:13 »
As long as you don't have traditional sex, it should be ok. That is, intercourse with your reproductive parts is strictly forbidden. But oral sex, anal sex, or stimulation by hand should not be a problem. Good luck, and may God light your way.
Ah yes - another disciple of Bill Clinton who did not know what the definition of "is" is.

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Re: Is God Allowing Premarital Sex?
« Reply #34 on: Tue Jan 29, 2013 - 18:22:07 »
Wow - let's use the Bible to justify pre-marrital sex just because you aren't a virgin....

Let me get this straight....he is telling you a man, single or divorced, can have sex with any woman that is not married if she has been deflowered by someone else?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but really?!?!

What about:
7:1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote to me: it is good for a man not to touch a woman.
7:9 But if they don't have self-control, let them marry. For it's better to marry than to burn.
7:34 There is also a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world--how she may please her husband.
7:36 But if any man thinks that he is behaving inappropriately toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of her age, and if need so requires, let him do what he desires. He doesn't sin. Let them marry.

As for 7:9 - if you can't control it - get married!

As for 7:34 - how can an unmarried woman care about the things of the lord and be holy in both body and in spirit if the man she is engaged to is having his way with her?

As for 7:36 - is he completely dismissing the end of the verse?  Where it says "Let them marry."?

You cannot take a portion of a verse out of context and use it to justify your sin.  Period.

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