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Offline James Rondon

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2004, 09:04:45 PM »
After writing a letter, indicating that I and my family had \"withrawn our fellowship\" from the NI CoC that we had been involved with over a year and a half ago, I promptly received a letter which \"marked\" me, and \"withdrew\" from me. I wrote a letter to the \"Preacher\" asking him how the congregation could withdraw something that no longer existed, to which I received no response. In fact, there were no phone calls, no visits, and no correspondence trying to persuade us to come back. There was only an email sent by the \"Preacher\" telling me that I was wrong the evening before their letter was signed and sent... So much for \"leaving the ninety and nine\".

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2004, 07:18:29 AM »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]After writing a letter, indicating that I and my family had \"withrawn our fellowship\" from the NI CoC that we had been involved with over a year and a half ago, I promptly received a letter which \"marked\" me, and \"withdrew\" from me. I wrote a letter to the \"Preacher\" asking him how the congregation could withdraw something that no longer existed, to which I received no response. In fact, there were no phone calls, no visits, and no correspondence trying to persuade us to come back. There was only an email sent by the \"Preacher\" telling me that I was wrong the evening before their letter was signed and sent... So much for \"leaving the ninety and nine\".[/quote]
:rolleyes: Interesting, since we've been talking about the Early Church Fathers on a history thread.  What did the Early Church do to disfellowship , seeing that there was practically an 100% illiteracy rate, no email, and no telephone or cars...

To disfellowship someone AMONG us is one thing, and can be found in scripture...

To  disfellowship someone who has left voluntarily, as in the example of the prodical son does not seem to be found in scripture.


What does the O.T. say about those who left the Jewish community for the \"world\"?   ???

Romans 15:4 “For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2004, 07:18:29 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2004, 08:32:17 AM »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Well, Ken, I never thought of it that way, but I do believe ther's no such thing as a free-lance Christian.   Christianity can't be practiced in isolation. [/quote]

I don't understand this statement at all?

Christianity can be practiced in isolation.  A person can have faith outside of Christ without having anyone else around (I am thinking of some verying bad circumstances) say you were a Christian and you were trapped on a deserted island?
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2004, 08:32:17 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2004, 08:59:46 AM »
No one is talking about extreme circumstances such as being cast away on a desert island or held in solitary confinement.
And of course a person can have faith in those circumstances.
Not only that, but it is possible that Christ might come to him, as He did to John on Patmos.

But consider:

God said it wasn't good for man to be alone

Christ promised that where two or three are gathered in His name, He would be in their midst (Matt 18:19 - 21)   I think most people take this to mean Christ is present in our assembly in a way that He is not present to us individually.

Christ's last instruction to his followers was to make disciples.

Our ultimate command is to love each other.

We are instructed not to forsake assembling together.

All of these things involve community.   Which is why you can't practice Christianity - you can't do the things Christians do, in isolation.     Even monks who practice silence gather for religious services.

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2004, 03:05:06 PM »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Interesting, since we've been talking about the Early Church Fathers on a history thread.  What did the Early Church do to disfellowship , seeing that there was practically an 100% illiteracy rate, no email, and no telephone or cars...
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Here are just a few quotations:

All of those who separate from the church and give heed to old wives' tales, like these persons, are truly self-condemned.  Paul commands us \"to avoid [these men] after a first and second admonition.\"  Furthermore, John, the disciple of the Lord, has intensified their condemnation.  For he desires us not even to address them with the salutation of \"Godspeed.\"  He says, \"He who bids them Godspeed is a partaker with their evil deeds.\"  - Irenaeus, c. 180  1.341, 342

\"Therefore, do not be partakers with them.\"  Back then, the condemnation of sinners extended to others who approved of them and joined in there society. and the case at present is still the same, for \"a little leaven levens the whole lump. \"        - Irenaeus, c. 180  1.500

If one must censure, it is necessary also to rebuke.  For it is time to wound the apathetic soul.  I do not mean mortally, but salutarily, securing exemption form everlasting death by a little pain.   - Clement of Alexandria, c. 195  2.228

He forbids us either to salute such persons or to receive them to our hospitality.  Yet, this is not harsh in the case of a man of this sort.  But he admonishes Christians neither to confer nor dispute with those who are not able to handle divine things with intelligence, lest through them they be seduced from the doctrine of truth.   - Clement of Alexandria,  c. 195  2.577

Felicissimus has rushed forth with many more and has declared himself as a leader of a faction....Let him receive the sentence that he first of all imposed - that he may know that he is excommunicated by us.  For he has added the crime of adultery to his crimes of fraud and plunder....All of these things we will judicially examine when, with the Lord's permission, we will assemble in one place with many of our colleagues....Moreover, whoever will ally himself with that man's conspiracy and faction, let him know that he will not communicate in the church with us, since he has preferred to be separated from the church of his own accord.   - Cyprian,  c. 250  5.316


Those are just a few.

Blessings,

Bob

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2004, 03:05:06 PM »