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A Sunrise Service
« on: Tue Apr 07, 2020 - 23:04:48 »
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FAQ: Was it really necessary for Christ's crucified dead body to return to life? Why couldn't he leave it here and continue on to heaven without it?

A: Well, for one thing; abandoning his crucified dead body was out of the question seeing as how Jesus predicted its recovery in John 2:19-22.

Even more important is that had Christ left his crucified dead body in a perpetual state of demise, nobody would get past the great white throne judgment that John saw in Revelation 20:11-15. I should explain.

Romans 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised to life for our justification.

The first half of that verse testifies that Christ's crucifixion completed the atonement as per Isaiah 53:6 and 1John 2:2.

However, atonements are limited. They don't have what it takes to protect people from ultimately facing justice. For that, people need their personnel files wiped.

The second half of Romans 4:25 testifies that Christ's resurrection obtains for people what his cross alone could not obtain for them.

The Greek word for "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.

People merely forgiven and/or pardoned still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a record, i.e. a criminal history. Christ's resurrection makes it possible for God to delete the history so that on the books, it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.

Without Christ's crucified dead body restored to life, everyone would remain on track for the sum of all fears even though he fully atoned for their sins on the cross because when the books are opened, per Rev 20:11-15, everyone's name, and a list of their sins, would still be on file in there.

1Corinthians 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you are yet in your sins.


FAQ: What about a convert's new sins; the ones they commit after buying into Christ's resurrection?

A: When someone buys into Christ's resurrection, God stops accusing them.

2Corinthians 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory; i.e. an indictment.

Christ's resurrection grants converts a perpetual exoneration the very day they became one of his believing followers, and from that day forward, they will never again be in danger of missing out on the best that God has to offer.

John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.
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Re: A Sunrise Service
« Reply #1 on: Wed Apr 08, 2020 - 12:18:40 »
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FAQ: Was it really necessary for Christ's crucified dead body to return to life? Why couldn't he leave it here and continue on to heaven without it?

A: Well, for one thing; abandoning his crucified dead body was out of the question seeing as how Jesus predicted its recovery in John 2:19-22.

Even more important is that had Christ left his crucified dead body in a perpetual state of demise, nobody would get past the great white throne judgment that John saw in Revelation 20:11-15. I should explain.

Romans 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised to life for our justification.

The first half of that verse testifies that Christ's crucifixion completed the atonement as per Isaiah 53:6 and 1John 2:2.

However, atonements are limited. They don't have what it takes to protect people from ultimately facing justice. For that, people need their personnel files wiped.

The second half of Romans 4:25 testifies that Christ's resurrection obtains for people what his cross alone could not obtain for them.

The Greek word for "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.

People merely forgiven and/or pardoned still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a record, i.e. a criminal history. Christ's resurrection makes it possible for God to delete the history so that on the books, it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.

Without Christ's crucified dead body restored to life, everyone would remain on track for the sum of all fears even though he fully atoned for their sins on the cross because when the books are opened, per Rev 20:11-15, everyone's name, and a list of their sins, would still be on file in there.

1Corinthians 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you are yet in your sins.


FAQ: What about a convert's new sins; the ones they commit after buying into Christ's resurrection?

A: When someone buys into Christ's resurrection, God stops accusing them.

2Corinthians 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory; i.e. an indictment.

Christ's resurrection grants converts a perpetual exoneration the very day they became one of his believing followers, and from that day forward, they will never again be in danger of missing out on the best that God has to offer.

John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.
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What other proof would there have been of who he was?

If he had stayed in the grave he would simply have been regarded as a magician
 capable of doing great magic but certainly not the prophesied Christ.

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Re: A Sunrise Service
« Reply #2 on: Sun Apr 12, 2020 - 07:56:25 »
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John 20:24-29 . . Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."

. . . A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"  Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

. . .Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."


NOTE: It's surprising the number of Christians that I encounter online, on radio, behind pulpits, and in Sunday school refusing to believe that Christ's crucified dead body was restored to life. They resolutely insist that he came back from the dead in a so-called glorified body instead of his original body. It's a mystery to me why so many Christians have been deprived of the blessing the Lord spoke of at John 20:29.
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Re: A Sunrise Service
« Reply #3 on: Sun Apr 19, 2020 - 09:04:58 »

NOTE: It's surprising the number of Christians that I encounter online, on radio, behind pulpits, and in Sunday school refusing to believe that Christ's crucified dead body was restored to life. They resolutely insist that he came back from the dead in a so-called glorified body instead of his original body.
Perhaps it's something to do with 1Cor 15:35 & 42-44). 
But some one will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?”.......So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body.

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Re: A Sunrise Service
« Reply #4 on: Mon Apr 20, 2020 - 22:15:34 »
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But some one will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?”.......So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body.

A number of people were restored to life in both the Old Testament and the New prior to Jesus' event. In point of fact, some of them were restored to life by the Lord.

Matt 11:2-5 . . When John heard in prison what Christ was doing, he sent his disciples to ask him: Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?

. . .Jesus replied: Go back and report to John what you hear and see: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised

To my knowledge none, in either the Old Testament or the New, were returned to life with supernatural bodies; including, but not limited to, Jesus' friend Lazarus.

The English word "resurrection" can be a bit confusing at times. It doesn't always refer to a metamorphosis like that spoken of in the 15th chapter of 1Corinthians. In quite a few instances it refers to wakening someone from sleep; even Jesus.

Matt 17:22-23 . . When they came together in Galilee, he said to them: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.

The Greek word for "raised" basically means to rouse (e.g. John 11:11). In other words; Jesus taught that his body would awaken from death just as it was in life. In point of fact; I do not recall him ever teaching that his body would return to life Easter morning in a glorified condition. Too many Christians are forcing portions of the 15th chapter of 1Corinthians into the gospels and I sincerely believe they shouldn't be doing that.
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Re: A Sunrise Service
« Reply #5 on: Tue Apr 21, 2020 - 03:50:01 »
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A number of people were restored to life in both the Old Testament and the New prior to Jesus' event. In point of fact, some of them were restored to life by the Lord.

Matt 11:2-5 . . When John heard in prison what Christ was doing, he sent his disciples to ask him: Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?

. . .Jesus replied: Go back and report to John what you hear and see: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised

To my knowledge none, in either the Old Testament or the New, were returned to life with supernatural bodies; including, but not limited to, Jesus' friend Lazarus.

The English word "resurrection" can be a bit confusing at times. It doesn't always refer to a metamorphosis like that spoken of in the 15th chapter of 1Corinthians. In quite a few instances it refers to wakening someone from sleep; even Jesus.

Matt 17:22-23 . . When they came together in Galilee, he said to them: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.

The Greek word for "raised" basically means to rouse (e.g. John 11:11). In other words; Jesus taught that his body would awaken from death just as it was in life. In point of fact; I do not recall him ever teaching that his body would return to life Easter morning in a glorified condition. Too many Christians are forcing portions of the 15th chapter of 1Corinthians into the gospels and I sincerely believe they shouldn't be doing that.
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There is a very interesting discussion on this topic here:
was-jesus-resurrected-body-the-same-as-his-glorified-body-that-he-now-has-in-heaven

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