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« on: Mon Mar 12, 2012 - 16:50:58 »
I've just watched this video and it has given me a big wake up call. I beg you, brothers and sisters, please watch this video and spread it to every other Christian you know. This pastor gives his testimony of how he thought he was doing God's will. He would go around preaching, getting people to accept Jesus, and he thought he was living a holy life. But he claims that he had revelation from God that if Jesus were to come for his bride, that he would be left behind. This is an urgent message, because so many Christians think they are on their way to heaven, when in reality, they are being deceived. Please watch the video and see why Jesus said what he said in Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me , 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven."

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« Reply #1 on: Mon Mar 12, 2012 - 17:33:29 »
I've just watched this video and it has given me a big wake up call. I beg you, brothers and sisters, please watch this video and spread it to every other Christian you know. This pastor gives his testimony of how he thought he was doing God's will. He would go around preaching, getting people to accept Jesus, and he thought he was living a holy life. But he claims that he had revelation from God that if Jesus were to come for his bride, that he would be left behind. This is an urgent message, because so many Christians think they are on their way to heaven, when in reality, they are being deceived. Please watch the video and see why Jesus said what he said in Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me , 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2YUaeyditU&list=WL85A461B7966D3A88&index=53&feature=plpp_video


Yes---fear is a motivator.  But love is the true motivator through Grace. Paul, Peter, and John spoke far more about what a blessed hope we have as Christians than about those who might not make it.  Matthew 7:21,22 is referring to those who were never Christians.  It is directed towards hypocrits, not born-again Christians.

I was under a ministry whose constant warning was you "might be left behind". It motivated me alright---right into despair as a Christian.  Christ's sheep need encouragement, love and prodding, not fear and torment.

Yes--we should examine ourselves if we are in the faith--but we should not dwell on fear of not making it----we should rejoice in what a blessed Lord and Savior we have, and the eternal hope we have as Christians.

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. (1 Pet. 1:3-5)
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« Reply #2 on: Mon Mar 12, 2012 - 17:38:12 »
Fish manna to you, a lovely post. So many believers are under the feeling already that they are 'not good enough' as it is.

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« Reply #3 on: Mon Mar 12, 2012 - 18:42:33 »
The true Christian is under grace. If that is not good enough. None of us will make it.  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Mar 13, 2012 - 03:40:13 »
That video is changing my life right now.  Thank you so much for posting this. 

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Mar 13, 2012 - 15:51:29 »
At about 1hr an 24 min the pastor says that God told him “The greatest sin my people have done is to reject the Holy Spirit. They have created their own experiences and they call it the spirit.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Mar 14, 2012 - 02:20:03 »
There are some things that all of us should take as a warning in the message. But I believe that God is specifically warning those to whom the statement in my first paragraph is referring to. He is talking to a Church that is relying on their own works for salvation. Works done in their own spirit and from their own imagination.

I do not think that is who he was primarily referring to.  Maybe in some form but I am not positive about the implication you may be trying (or not trying) to make.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Mar 14, 2012 - 09:01:14 »
Does anyone know to which denomination the pastor belongs?

 He was told by God that he would not go to heaven unless he repented. And God told him that the greatest sin of the people was rejecting the spirit and creating their own spiritual experiences. I would say that something is wrong with his doctrine.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 19:51:40 »
There are some things that all of us should take as a warning in the message. But I believe that God is specifically warning those to whom the statement in my first paragraph is referring to. He is talking to a Church that is relying on their own works for salvation. Works done in their own spirit and from their own imagination.

I do not think that is who he was primarily referring to.  Maybe in some form but I am not positive about the implication you may be trying (or not trying) to make.

Rom 8:9

9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
NIV

We know that if you do not have the Spirit you are not saved. John M (the pastor on the CD) could repent of every other sin that  he named and still would not be accepted into heaven until he quit rejecting the spirit. So that is the prime sin that he must repent of to be accepted in heaven. Sexual sin in and of itself does not cause one to lose salvation (read 1Cor 5:5) and I believe that sexual sins and rejecting the spirit were the only types of sin mentioned.

The only way that  I know of to reject the spirit is to reject  Jesus. So just how does someone reject the spirit and still confess  Jesus as their Lord and savior?

That is why I believe that is the group to which the message is primarily directed to are those who reject the Spirit. That is also why I would like to know just what  John believes.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 22:17:56 »
fish153,

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Matthew 7:21,22 is referring to those who were never Christians.  It is directed towards hypocrits, not born-again Christians.
It is being directed at people who thought they were christians. Also, in order to be a hypocrit, one must be a believer.

Granted one can be a hypocrit as an unbeliever, but hypocritical of what?

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Yes--we should examine ourselves if we are in the faith--but we should not dwell on fear of not making it----we should rejoice in what a blessed Lord and Savior we have, and the eternal hope we have as Christians.
but our  personal salvation does not just depend on God. In fact, the initator must be the person. It is the person who must be faithful to God.  God is not going to be faithful to Himslf through you.  That is your obligation as part of your commitment to Him.

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"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. (1 Pet. 1:3-5)
But Christ did that so that all men could avail themselves and have a relationship. But the active, key word is through OUR faith. NOthing happens with us personally, unless WE act on our faith.






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« Reply #10 on: Tue Mar 20, 2012 - 03:56:13 »
There are some things that all of us should take as a warning in the message. But I believe that God is specifically warning those to whom the statement in my first paragraph is referring to. He is talking to a Church that is relying on their own works for salvation. Works done in their own spirit and from their own imagination.

I do not think that is who he was primarily referring to.  Maybe in some form but I am not positive about the implication you may be trying (or not trying) to make.

Rom 8:9

9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
NIV

We know that if you do not have the Spirit you are not saved. John M (the pastor on the CD) could repent of every other sin that  he named and still would not be accepted into heaven until he quit rejecting the spirit. So that is the prime sin that he must repent of to be accepted in heaven. Sexual sin in and of itself does not cause one to lose salvation (read 1Cor 5:5) and I believe that sexual sins and rejecting the spirit were the only types of sin mentioned.

The only way that  I know of to reject the spirit is to reject  Jesus. So just how does someone reject the spirit and still confess  Jesus as their Lord and savior?

That is why I believe that is the group to which the message is primarily directed to are those who reject the Spirit. That is also why I would like to know just what  John believes.
He was prideful and arrogant to not even be able to see (And therefore) repent of some of the problems he was having.  His pride literally blinded him from seeing truth.  Still not positive about the implication here...

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« Reply #11 on: Wed Mar 21, 2012 - 15:28:43 »
There is so much in John's story that doesn't add up I'm not sure  he's not creating his own experience again. So if he is to be saved he has to accept Jesus instead of his created experiences. People are not one of Jesus' unless they have His Spirit.

I am of the mind that Jesus has tried to get his attention and John should get into a church were they do not create their own spirit and call it the Spirit.

There is no sin in the bible described as creating your own experiences and saying its from God. It sounds like false prophecy plus. The only false sensations that I have ever witnessed first hand is being slain in the spirit. I was visiting a church and they called for people who wanted a closer relationship with God. I went forward and the Pastor went down the line laying hands on peoples forehead. One by one the people fell into the arms of the men standing behind them. They were laid down and the pastor and those who caught the falling people moved to the next person. When it came my turn to swoon I felt a very strong pressure on my head pushing me backwards. The harder he pushed the harder I pushed back. The pastor moved to the next person with me still standing. One other person and myself was the only people left standing at the end of the show.

We are to test the spirits not yield to them. We test spirits by comparing it to the word of God.

I was also informed that one was not saved unless they spoke in tongues. A very powerful incentive for people to ensure that their loved ones and others would speak in tongues. I'm sure that it has put pressure on people to practice speaking in tongues. Proof for fainting and all believers speaking in tongues is not to be found in the Bible.

If someone has has been enabled by the Spirit to speak in tongues they would have at their disposal 1000's of different sounds from the beginning. They would not have to practice. I do believe that tongues are still given today.

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Mar 21, 2012 - 15:40:11 »
Thaddeus---

You said:

>>Also, in order to be a hypocrit, one must be a believer. <<

I would remind you that Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrits many times, and many of the Pharisees were so far from believing that Jesus warned they may be close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.  Most hypocrits are "professed" Christians, who go to church and claim to believe, but by their very lives show they are not believers, but hypocrits.  I'm not sure where you got the idea that a hypocrit must be a believer--that is totally false.  Here is just one grouping of verses where Jesus calls "religious"
people hypocrits, who did not believe in Him:

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves
". (Matt. 23:13-15)


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« Reply #13 on: Wed Mar 21, 2012 - 16:03:02 »
The true Christian is under grace. If that is not good enough. None of us will make it.  ::tippinghat::

manna to fish...

I agree....manna to fish and all of you

For that which is being expressed in those type of fear based messages is an unauthorized message

Jesus commissioned His faithful followers to preach the Good News not fear, dread and bad news!

Although Jesus said bad things are coming to the world...He said be of Good Cheer He has overcome the world


"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

That's Good News!

Because in Christ Jesus we too have overcome the world

For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:4

The unauthorized message is a message of doubt, fear, uncertainty and unbelief all of which are the fruit of rebellion and disobedience that caused Israel to wander in the desert those 40 years.

People who speak the unauthorized message disturb and trouble the minds of God's people

Acts 15:24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Troubling disturbing messages which causes us to doubt our trust and faith in God are the exact opposite of Jesus message and contrary to Good News

Because God is the God of All Comfort

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, 4who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. 2 Corinthians 1

Lastly this is a sure way of knowing if someone is Spirit led or being lead by something else because before Jesus left He clearly stated

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:16

That means Jesus came to comfort us by giving us words of comfort a message intended to bring comfort

When He left He said He would send "another" Comforter.

That simply means...The Holy Spirit will speak words of Comfort to God's people, so much so He goes by the name "Comforter"

That's Good News!

Therefore any message which is contrary to Good News, a message which is disturbing and troubling is also contrary to Comfort and is not the Holy Spirit....sorry  ::frown::


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« Reply #14 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 14:57:37 »
There is so much in John's story that doesn't add up I'm not sure  he's not creating his own experience again. So if he is to be saved he has to accept Jesus instead of his created experiences. People are not one of Jesus' unless they have His Spirit.

I am of the mind that Jesus has tried to get his attention and John should get into a church were they do not create their own spirit and call it the Spirit.

There is no sin in the bible described as creating your own experiences and saying its from God. It sounds like false prophecy plus. The only false sensations that I have ever witnessed first hand is being slain in the spirit. I was visiting a church and they called for people who wanted a closer relationship with God. I went forward and the Pastor went down the line laying hands on peoples forehead. One by one the people fell into the arms of the men standing behind them. They were laid down and the pastor and those who caught the falling people moved to the next person. When it came my turn to swoon I felt a very strong pressure on my head pushing me backwards. The harder he pushed the harder I pushed back. The pastor moved to the next person with me still standing. One other person and myself was the only people left standing at the end of the show.

We are to test the spirits not yield to them. We test spirits by comparing it to the word of God.

I was also informed that one was not saved unless they spoke in tongues. A very powerful incentive for people to ensure that their loved ones and others would speak in tongues. I'm sure that it has put pressure on people to practice speaking in tongues. Proof for fainting and all believers speaking in tongues is not to be found in the Bible.

If someone has has been enabled by the Spirit to speak in tongues they would have at their disposal 1000's of different sounds from the beginning. They would not have to practice. I do believe that tongues are still given today.
This is so vague in regards to what John actually spoke about.  Who said he did not have his the spirit within him?  If people are listening to other spirits or voices, that is a sin.

Again, the vast majority of your post is not even discussing things that John said in the video.

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 15:01:52 »
The true Christian is under grace. If that is not good enough. None of us will make it.  ::tippinghat::

manna to fish...

I agree....manna to fish and all of you

For that which is being expressed in those type of fear based messages is an unauthorized message

Jesus commissioned His faithful followers to preach the Good News not fear, dread and bad news!

Although Jesus said bad things are coming to the world...He said be of Good Cheer He has overcome the world


"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

That's Good News!

Because in Christ Jesus we too have overcome the world

For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:4

The unauthorized message is a message of doubt, fear, uncertainty and unbelief all of which are the fruit of rebellion and disobedience that caused Israel to wander in the desert those 40 years.

People who speak the unauthorized message disturb and trouble the minds of God's people

Acts 15:24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Troubling disturbing messages which causes us to doubt our trust and faith in God are the exact opposite of Jesus message and contrary to Good News

Because God is the God of All Comfort

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, 4who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. 2 Corinthians 1

Lastly this is a sure way of knowing if someone is Spirit led or being lead by something else because before Jesus left He clearly stated

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:16

That means Jesus came to comfort us by giving us words of comfort a message intended to bring comfort

When He left He said He would send "another" Comforter.

That simply means...The Holy Spirit will speak words of Comfort to God's people, so much so He goes by the name "Comforter"

That's Good News!

Therefore any message which is contrary to Good News, a message which is disturbing and troubling is also contrary to Comfort and is not the Holy Spirit....sorry  ::frown::


It is ridiculous how set you are in your doctrine.  If you watched the video, you would have seen where John said that what he heard from God was different from the theology he had held.  He had to come to grips with the fact that HE was wrong and not God.  I fear many people are not in position to find fault in their own beliefs and doctrine and will instead find it in God when they are proven wrong.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 15:34:37 »
The true Christian is under grace. If that is not good enough. None of us will make it.  ::tippinghat::

manna to fish...

I agree....manna to fish and all of you

For that which is being expressed in those type of fear based messages is an unauthorized message

Jesus commissioned His faithful followers to preach the Good News not fear, dread and bad news!

Although Jesus said bad things are coming to the world...He said be of Good Cheer He has overcome the world


"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

That's Good News!

Because in Christ Jesus we too have overcome the world

For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:4

The unauthorized message is a message of doubt, fear, uncertainty and unbelief all of which are the fruit of rebellion and disobedience that caused Israel to wander in the desert those 40 years.

People who speak the unauthorized message disturb and trouble the minds of God's people

Acts 15:24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Troubling disturbing messages which causes us to doubt our trust and faith in God are the exact opposite of Jesus message and contrary to Good News

Because God is the God of All Comfort

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, 4who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. 2 Corinthians 1

Lastly this is a sure way of knowing if someone is Spirit led or being lead by something else because before Jesus left He clearly stated

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:16

That means Jesus came to comfort us by giving us words of comfort a message intended to bring comfort

When He left He said He would send "another" Comforter.

That simply means...The Holy Spirit will speak words of Comfort to God's people, so much so He goes by the name "Comforter"

That's Good News!

Therefore any message which is contrary to Good News, a message which is disturbing and troubling is also contrary to Comfort and is not the Holy Spirit....sorry  ::frown::


It is ridiculous how set you are in your doctrine.  If you watched the video, you would have seen where John said that what he heard from God was different from the theology he had held.  He had to come to grips with the fact that HE was wrong and not God.  I fear many people are not in position to find fault in their own beliefs and doctrine and will instead find it in God when they are proven wrong.

Are you sure the message he heard came from God?  I'd rather trust the Word of God itself than a "message" someone claims they heard that "changed their view". What does the Word of God say?  That is what is truly important. 

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What I liked about this video is the distinct call to holiness. If nothing else this sermon will make you think through your life with God more deeply. We have done such a great job of sytematizing how "church" is done and how it functions, but do we really give ourselves over to holiness as we are called to do? The preacher of this sermon seemed to be extremely sincere and passionate about his faith. I would like to believe that the people in the pews in any Church that loves Jesus are tired of going through the motions. God should be all consuming to all of us who claim the Name of Jesus.









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« Reply #18 on: Thu Mar 22, 2012 - 18:50:07 »
Every key thing that John says in the clip lines up with scripture and true spiritual experience. By the Spirit, one readily agrees with what John says in the video clip.

Any one who truly understands and identifies with the Spirit knows that He can be very grieved when holiness is compromised. And that He can be sorely grieved when His name is blasphemed; He sends the Holy Ghost in His name. Many don't have a clue what the name of God encapsulates and means, let alone understand what Romans 1:18-23 means. To me, those verses of Scripture capture and summarize John's entire message.

Romans 1:
18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19  Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


John also confessed of his weakness when talking about how he was led to Romans 2:24 that declares: For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.. That scripture was one of final straws to brake John and made him see his hopelessness given the culture of blasphemy in the community he was sent to. It is one thing to read scripture about that kind of grievous sin, it is another thing to believe it applies to you.

Job, at a point, felt like John before God gave him (Job) a deep and rude awakening to the knowledge of God that can indeed be experienced as a Father's loving chastisement. When God deals with you that way, you'd hate the very things you thought you were doing right and the doctrines you deeply believed as unshakable but were really of your carnal understanding. His righteousness is faultless and excellently credible.

I haven't heard a teaching (for the discerning) in a very long time like I heard from John in that video clip. John's teaching does impart a weighty measure the grace of God to those who believe and can see to receive.

Let those who have an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the saints.


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« Reply #19 on: Fri Mar 23, 2012 - 11:05:09 »
The true Christian is under grace. If that is not good enough. None of us will make it.  ::tippinghat::

manna to fish...

I agree....manna to fish and all of you

For that which is being expressed in those type of fear based messages is an unauthorized message

Jesus commissioned His faithful followers to preach the Good News not fear, dread and bad news!

Although Jesus said bad things are coming to the world...He said be of Good Cheer He has overcome the world


"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

That's Good News!

Because in Christ Jesus we too have overcome the world

For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:4

The unauthorized message is a message of doubt, fear, uncertainty and unbelief all of which are the fruit of rebellion and disobedience that caused Israel to wander in the desert those 40 years.

People who speak the unauthorized message disturb and trouble the minds of God's people

Acts 15:24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Troubling disturbing messages which causes us to doubt our trust and faith in God are the exact opposite of Jesus message and contrary to Good News

Because God is the God of All Comfort

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, 4who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. 2 Corinthians 1

Lastly this is a sure way of knowing if someone is Spirit led or being lead by something else because before Jesus left He clearly stated

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:16

That means Jesus came to comfort us by giving us words of comfort a message intended to bring comfort

When He left He said He would send "another" Comforter.

That simply means...The Holy Spirit will speak words of Comfort to God's people, so much so He goes by the name "Comforter"

That's Good News!

Therefore any message which is contrary to Good News, a message which is disturbing and troubling is also contrary to Comfort and is not the Holy Spirit....sorry  ::frown::


It is ridiculous how set you are in your doctrine.  If you watched the video, you would have seen where John said that what he heard from God was different from the theology he had held.  He had to come to grips with the fact that HE was wrong and not God.  I fear many people are not in position to find fault in their own beliefs and doctrine and will instead find it in God when they are proven wrong.

Are you sure the message he heard came from God?  I'd rather trust the Word of God itself than a "message" someone claims they heard that "changed their view". What does the Word of God say?  That is what is truly important. 
It is exactly what the Bible says in my point of view.  Regardless, the close-mindedness that people have, due to their doctrine, is just blinding.  They cannot learn from people unless they hold ALL of the exact same views.