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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #105 on: Thu Mar 10, 2022 - 06:37:09 »
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Romans 4:21~"And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform"

"And being fully persuaded that"~Are we fully persuaded God is willing, true, and strong enough to do all declared of Him? Are we fully persuaded God is able to keep our soul, if we commit it to Him (2nd Timothy 1:12)? Are we fully persuaded we can never be separated from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39)?

"What he had promised"~When we have a promise of God, believe it! There is nothing to hinder Him from keeping it! One promise He confirmed by swearing to give extra assurance of its certainty (Hebrews 6:11-20). He promised that He will never leave thee nor forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). Believest thou this?

"He was able also to perform"~The world turns, and all things in the world, based on God’s power to perform His promises. Do we grasp and believe that Jesus upholds all things by the word of His power (Hebrews 1:3)? Sarah laughed at God’s word, so He asked if anything was too hard for Him (Genesis 18:14).


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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #106 on: Thu Mar 10, 2022 - 06:39:14 »
RB, why are you doing this?  What are you trying to prove?

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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #107 on: Thu Mar 10, 2022 - 07:06:39 »
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Romans 4:22~And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

"And therefore it was imputed to him"~The therefore draws a conclusion, which is God’s recognition of such faith as great evidence. When you believe God against men, nature, science, reason, circumstances, or enemies, it is evidence that God has done a work in you by His grace to so believe (Philippians 2:12-13). The word impute does not mean infuse or anything related~it is simply and only a synonym in this context for the related words count (Romans 4:3), reckon (4:9), and account (Galatians 3:6). God counted Abram’s great faith, and declared it so, as proof of righteousness (Genesis 15:6).

"For righteousness"~Abraham’s faith, at various stages of his life, was the evidence that he was a righteous man. As God counted Phinehas’s zeal for righteousness, it was evidence of it only ( PLEASE read Psalm 106:31).

Romans 4:23~"Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;"

"Now it was not written for his sake alone"~Genesis 15:6 was not written just to tell us the evidence of justification about Abraham. God has authored scripture with far more design and intentions than merely Abram’s history. Here is another indication from scripture for us to live by every word of God (Deut 8:3; Job 23:12; Proverbs 30:5; Luke 4:4).

"That it was imputed to him"~The inspired record of Genesis 15:6 shows us the evidence of justification and righteousness. God counted Abraham a righteous man by the righteousness of the faith He had in God. But Abraham’s justification by the evidence of faith was not the only reason for Genesis 15:6.

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Romans 4:24~"But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;"

"But for us also"~Genesis 15:6 was also written for our sake, so we could grasp the concept of justification and relate to a man described as faithful that had his own faithless events in his life. Genesis 15:6 was written to encourage our faith by the example of God’s recognition of faith.

"To whom it shall be imputed"~God will count, reckon, or account us righteous, just as He did Abraham, by our faith in Him. Our faith does not make us righteous, but God considers it an evidence of our righteousness.

"If we believe on him"~Rather than count stars and believe God’s promise of a great seed, we believe the gospel. Believing the record and witness God has given of Jesus is proof of eternal life (Ist John 5:4-13). Do we believe … as Paul did, that God would certainly keep his soul safe (2nd Timothy 1:12)? Do we believe … as Martha did, that Jesus was the resurrection and the life (John 11:24-27)? Do we believe … as Peter did, that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God (John 6:68-69)? Do we believe … as Paul, that to be absent from the body is to be with Christ (2nd Corinthians 5:6-8)? Philippians 3:20-21; Ist Peter 4:19; 2nd Thess 4:14; John 20:29

"That raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead"~The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is a fundamental and very important fact of our religion (Matthew 12:38-40; Acts 2:31; 17:31; Ist Corinthians 15:1-8; Ist Timothy 3:16; etc.). The aspects of the gospel identified for faith include the resurrection (Romans 10:9-13).

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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #108 on: Thu Mar 10, 2022 - 07:13:34 »
RB, why are you doing this?  What are you trying to prove?
I'm just about finished to PROVE what part faith has in the economy of God as far as justification.

I'll give a summary using Galatians 3 and show how Romans four and Galatians three are dealing with the same important doctrine concerning the system under which God's children live and by what means they come TO KNOW how they are justified in God's sight.

Legally solely by Christ's faith~ practically, it is by OUR faith we come to understand of our free justification THROUGH Christ.

Romans four is so important as far as believers understanding the SENSE in which they are justified.

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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #109 on: Thu Mar 10, 2022 - 09:23:36 »

"But for us also"~Genesis 15:6 was also written for our sake, so we could grasp the concept of justification and relate to a man described as faithful that had his own faithless events in his life. Genesis 15:6 was written to encourage our faith by the example of God’s recognition of faith.

"To whom it shall be imputed"~God will count, reckon, or account us righteous, just as He did Abraham, by our faith in Him. Our faith does not make us righteous, but God considers it an evidence of our righteousness.

You have yet to provide a single passage of Scripture that supports your nonbiblical conept that "God considers it an evidence of our righteousness."

That is not what Genesis 15:6 says and that is not what Romans 4:3 says.  Nor is that said anywhere else in the Bible.  No, our faith does not make us righteous, but it is by our faith that God counts us righteous -- Period -- 'nuff said.  Simply believe what the Bible says and quit inserting your faulty ideas into God's word.

There is no evidence of our righteousness because we have no righteousness; we are not righteous. Even our faith does not make us righteous.  When we believe, i.e., have faith, as did Abraham, God simply declares us righteous. He doesn't even declare us not guilty; rather He declares that the penalty for our sins has been paid by someone else, namely Jesus Christ, by His death on the cross "who was delivered up for our trespasses"
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Re: Acts 13:48
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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #110 on: Fri Jun 03, 2022 - 14:45:52 »
  And as to the Greek  word  TAS-SO  is  in the Greek  PERFECT  TENSE  , PASSIVE  VOICE and  a  PARTICIPLE .

 It  can not be  A  MIDDLE  VOICE  ,   which  describes the subject  as   PARTICIPATING  in  then results of  the  action and any good  Greek  manual with say the  same  thing >

  You can  translate  THE Greek word  TASSO  , APPOINT 3x , ORDAIN  2 X  , SET  1X ,  DETERMINE 1 X  , it  should  be  translated  ,  HAVING  BEEN  APPOINTED  as all  Participles   end in  ING .

 dan p
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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #111 on: Sat Jun 04, 2022 - 03:19:26 »
Sorry dan p, you are wrong, as you so often are.  You didn't read, or perhaps you simply failed to understand, the OP.  The exact same form of the Greek work "tasso" is used in Acts 20:13 where it is translated/interpreted to be in the middle voice.

The whole point of the OP is to demonstrate that the middle voice is the most likely choice because of the context.  Your objection is not based upon Greek grammar, but rather on faulty theology.  Just as the Jews judged themselves unworthy of eternal life (verse 46) the Gentiles arranged or disposed themselves for eternal life (verse 48).
 

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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #112 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 18:07:07 »
 And I looked at the  Greek  test and the  Greek  word  APPOINTED / DIA TASSO  is  in  the Greek PERFECT  TENSE ,  PASSIVE  VOICE and is a  PARTICIPE and is  SINGULAR .

 Whereb are you getting your  info , from ??

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Re: Acts 13:48
« Reply #113 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 19:44:33 »
And I looked at the  Greek  test and the  Greek  word  APPOINTED / DIA TASSO  is  in  the Greek PERFECT  TENSE ,  PASSIVE  VOICE and is a  PARTICIPE and is  SINGULAR .

 Whereb are you getting your  info , from ??

 dan p
From a trusted Greek scholar.  And if you will bother to investigate further you will find that the middle voice and the passive voice are identical. Therefore whether it is translated in Acts 13:48 as passive voice or middle voice must be determined by context, not grammar.  But I already stated that in the OP.

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« Reply #113 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 19:44:33 »