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Title: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: dan p on Tue May 17, 2022 - 18:48:40
 I believe that the  MATT 24:13 and  14 is talking about  Israel   and not to the  Body of  Christ !

 what say you ?

 dan p
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Tue May 17, 2022 - 18:53:33
I say it's senseless separating them.

Christ is the root.  Israel grows from that root.  To be attached to the Root is the same thing as to be part of Israel.
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: dan p on Tue May 17, 2022 - 19:12:45
 And I have never  read  where the  BODY  of  CHRIST  is  called  a  ROOT or called a  VINE  or called a  BRANCH , so give me a verse , and let me  read it  ?

SO   what is the  END  that they will have to  ENDURE ?

 dan p
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Tue May 17, 2022 - 19:20:56
And I have never  read  where the  BODY  of  CHRIST  is  called  a  ROOT or called a  VINE  or called a  BRANCH , so give me a verse , and let me  read it  ?
Christ is the root.

Romans 11:16-18, 15:12, Rev 5:5, 22:16
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: RB on Wed May 18, 2022 - 04:30:59
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST last words before he was crucified for the sins of his people
Matthew 24:13,14~"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Olivet Discourse is Christ's final last words dealing strictly with the last days and his second coming per Matthew 24 and chapter 25 which is one and the same discourse uninterrupted, even though men like to separate the two chapters.

The person who endures unto the end of the very last days during the time of great spiritual tribulation is the person that will prove themselves to be the very elect, for it is impossible to deceive them to the degree they would turn back and walk no more as part of the beloved city of God, the church.

Before the very end, the gospel of Jesus Christ will be said to cover the entirety of the whole world which has truly come to pass with the witty inventions of the radio and TV and the freedom of traveling to every part of this globe which in truth has only been possible in the last two hundred years or less~about the time when the little season of Revelation started when this world was flooded with false cults~to just name a few: Mormonism, SDA, Jehovah Witnesses (all of which started around 1840 in and around Ohio up to eastern New York) not to mention Pencosticalism and all of its cousins and nephews, etc. Which are exactly the main message of Matthew 24:4-25 and the subject of 2nd Thess. 2; 1st John 2:18; and the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: dan p on Thu May 19, 2022 - 13:15:06
  And you then  believe that the  BODY OF  CHRIST can a  Branch , I must have  MISSED  that word that in verse , that   BRANCH is B O C  and in verse 21 , those who are GRAFTED  , you NEITHER  SHOULD  SPARE YOU ?

 I do not  think so  as we  ARE IN  CHRIST ,  FOREVER .

 dan p
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: dan p on Thu May 19, 2022 - 13:35:16
 And how do you  interpret Matt 24:14 , And this  GOSPEL   of the  KINGDOM shall be  preached in all the  world for a  witness unto all nations and then shall the  END  COME ?

 dan p
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu May 19, 2022 - 14:15:45
  And you then  believe that the  BODY OF  CHRIST can a  Branch , I must have  MISSED  that word that in verse , that   BRANCH is B O C  and in verse 21 , those who are GRAFTED  , you NEITHER  SHOULD  SPARE YOU ?

 I do not  think so  as we  ARE IN  CHRIST ,  FOREVER .
There's too much wrong with the grammar here.  I can't decipher what you are saying.  You seem to be mixing metaphors.

Christ is the root.  Those who are attached to the root are branches.

Christ is the head.  Those who are attached to the head are the body.

Roots don't have bodies, and heads don't have branches, but ultimately the two mean the same thing.

Jarrod
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: dan p on Thu May 19, 2022 - 14:30:55
And you are also confusing , about  Branch , ROOT and  HEAD .

 Christ is the  HEAD of the  BODY , like in  Eph 1:22 and 23 .

 Maybe I missed where Paul calls us  branches and waiting from you with   VERSE ?

 dan p
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu May 19, 2022 - 14:52:17
Maybe I missed where Paul calls us  branches and waiting from you with   VERSE ?
I already gave you the reference, but here you go...

Romans 11:
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.  And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;  Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.  Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:  For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: dan p on Thu May 19, 2022 - 19:07:36
 And when anyone begins to read  ROMANS  11  is one of the most mis-understood books in the bible that Paul  wrote .

 #1 In  verse 2 , God did  not thrust  away from himself his  people that He  foreknew .

 #2 In  verse 3 , Israel  killed your  prophets and they  demolished your  alters .

 #3 And in verse 8 God gave a  spirit of  STUPOR .

 #4 ALL should see that Rom 11 is talking  about  Israel .

 #5 And in  verse 22 , otherwise even  you will be  cut  off .

 The  BODY  of  CHRIST  you say GRACE  BELIEVERS  will be  cut off ,

 No ways ,

#6  AND IN  VERSE 25 we have to say that  Israel has  been set aside , until the  FULNESS  from the  Gentiles may come in , in other words Christ comes back to  RESCUE the B O C , Gal 1:4 and in 2  Thess 2:1 .

  #7 n And when we are  taken UP to  HEAVEN , then  Israel will be  SAVED , verse 26  and  RIGTLY  DIVIDING  will stop all this  confusion in Romans .

 dan p
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: RB on Fri May 20, 2022 - 04:30:03
And you then believe that the  BODY OF  CHRIST can a  Branch, I must have  MISSED that word that in verse, that BRANCH is B O C  and in verse 21, those who are GRAFTED, you NEITHER  SHOULD  SPARE YOU?

I do not think so as we  ARE IN CHRIST, FOREVER. dan p
Dan, I AGREE the very elect have NEVER been separated from Christ in one sense, since we were loved by God from eternity past and will be world without end. He loved us even when we were in our sins before he quicked us, which is the very reason he DID quicken us to life and hid our life with Christ in God.

But, that being said, the Gentiles as a body can and WILL be cut off from Christ just as Israel of old were NOT spare as a body. Yet it is also true that not all Israel was of the very elect or of God's promises~the same is true of the Gentiles churches, not all of them are of the Church, only the children of God's promises are, and rest SHALL BE cut off, because of their unbelief, even though part of the outward professing churches of God/Christ. 
Title: Re: And what is Matt 24 :13 and 14 referring to ?
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Fri May 20, 2022 - 10:30:03
And when anyone begins to read  ROMANS  11  is one of the most mis-understood books in the bible that Paul  wrote .

 #4 ALL should see that Rom 11 is talking  about  Israel .
Paul is talking about Israel AND the Gentiles.  Observe:

And if some of the branches be broken off (Israel), and thou (Gentiles) being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root (Jesus) and fatness of the olive tree;  Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.  Thou wilt say then, The branches (Israel) were broken off, that I (Gentiles) might be graffed in.  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:  For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

#5 And in  verse 22 , otherwise even  you will be  cut  off .
Verse 22 is clear that anyone in unbelief will be cut off, whether Israel or Gentile.

The  BODY  of  CHRIST  you say GRACE  BELIEVERS  will be  cut off ,
I didn't say that at all.  Don't put words in my mouth.

Jarrod