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Are we spreading the Gospel or robbing other nations?
« on: March 10, 2012, 06:25:52 PM »
I wonder why in the somewhat recent history the so-called "Christian nations" have sent common criminals into the Asian, Middle-Eastern, African or American nations with the pretense of "spreading the Gospel", when the said persons did nothing more then rob and steal from the local populations, and kill them too?

When the local folk finally realized what was going on, they stood up against the occupiers, as any of us would. But guess what, we didn't leave peacefully. Quite the opposite, we initiated and staged the (often genocidal) wars that resulted in the millions  murdered.

Was this Apostle Paul's way, who fixed tents for a living?

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 05:33:06 AM »
I wonder why in the somewhat recent history the so-called "Christian nations" have sent common criminals into the Asian, Middle-Eastern, African or American nations with the pretense of "spreading the Gospel", when the said persons did nothing more then rob and steal from the local populations, and kill them too?

When the local folk finally realized what was going on, they stood up against the occupiers, as any of us would. But guess what, we didn't leave peacefully. Quite the opposite, we initiated and staged the (often genocidal) wars that resulted in the millions  murdered.

Was this Apostle Paul's way, who fixed tents for a living?


do you have any specific knowledge of these events occuring?
who were these "common criminals" you speak of?
please share with us documented evidence of these events taking place please?

 ::pondering::

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 05:53:24 AM »
Yeah I don't think this one has any real knowledge only baseless accusations.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 01:02:39 PM »
What I understand is that there are people who use violence and force to make others do what they want. And this is not Christian, because it says, for leaders, and us who follow the example of Christian leadership > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) But because certain violence-able people claim to be Christian and born again, people take their word for it and go along with them. But a person qualified to take care of God's people is "not violent", we have in 1 Timothy 3:1-10, and "not self-willed, not quick-tempered", in Titus 1:4-9.

And we can see how "a number" of politicians are not examples of first pointing out how they themselves are wrong so we can be wise to them and not go along with how they are wrong. Peter commands leaders to be "examples" (1 Peter 5:3) This, I consider for myself, means I must first be about helping others to be wise to me about how I can be wrong. And Jesus says, "let the one without sin cast the first stone". So, those who are so into attacking others and criticizing others for being cruel . . . but are still having the slaughter of unborn people in their own countries . . . these "may" not be Christian or democratic if they continue have dictatorship that unborn people die in their countries and they do not effectively defend their unborn citizens as being created equal.

So, yes, I would say, in "America", we have people who are not about human rights or democracy, and "evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived," Paul clearly says in 2 Timothy 3:13. The cup of their anti-human and killing spirit is running over to how born people are treated, now, in America, and it runs over into foreign policy, also. The character of using killing as a means to an end is character that will multi-task and not be limited to how the unborn are treated. So, moral character needs much more attention than economic policy. Yet, the character of politicians and voters seems mainly attracted to concern about the economy being . . . aborted!!

So . . . bless in prayer and care, not just criticizing and being discouraged. Jesus says, "look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." (in Luke 21:28) Instead of trying to babysit Satanic children who will not obey, let's make our attention at home with God in how He rules us in His peace in our hearts (Colossians 3:15). Obeying has always done more than trying to control wrong people > "'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

::smile:: God bless you, too ::smile::

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Re: Are we spreading the Gospel or robbing other nations?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 11:08:00 PM »
Let's start with the genocide against the Cherokee, AFTER they have converted to Christianity.
All because the so-called "Christians" coveted their land and were willing to murder for it.
How is that for starters?

Or maybe you can tell me how many tons of gold were shipped out of the Americas by the murdering "evangelizers" to the corrupt evil regimes in Europe.

Let's start with those.

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Re: Are we spreading the Gospel or robbing other nations?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 04:55:04 AM »
I wonder why in the somewhat recent history the so-called "Christian nations" have sent common criminals into the Asian, Middle-Eastern, African or American nations with the pretense of "spreading the Gospel", when the said persons did nothing more then rob and steal from the local populations, and kill them too?

When the local folk finally realized what was going on, they stood up against the occupiers, as any of us would. But guess what, we didn't leave peacefully. Quite the opposite, we initiated and staged the (often genocidal) wars that resulted in the millions  murdered.

Was this Apostle Paul's way, who fixed tents for a living?

What is surprising is that you should bring the Apostle Paul into your accusations / argument  It is not biblically shown that he 'covetted any man's property nor was he 'beholden to any man for his living or his physical welfare. He worked for a living to supply his human needs.
Not saying all 'christians lived/live by his example but it is utterly wrong to associate Paul with any wickedness or evil. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 12:13:56 PM »
Beta,
I am not sure I am following your post.
Paul should be our example in how to do missionary work. He didn't want to allow any appearance of abusing his leadership position, lest it hindered his preaching of the Gospel. His motives were to bring as many souls to Christ as he could, establish as many churches as he could, not become an overlord over those he converted and get rich off of them.
By stark contrast, some nations used missionary work as a cover to rob and subjugate other, perhaps less developed, nations, so they could plunder their resources and steal their land. And it was their main motive from the beginning. I believe these practices have hurt Christianity greatly.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 02:03:23 PM »

jprg , seems I did not follow your post either.  ::headscratch::
There is obviously a misunderstanding....
I seemed to get the impression you were doubting Paul's sincerity and honesty...
obviously not !  ::doh::

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 02:29:05 PM »
The OP is misplaced.  There is NO "Christian Nation."

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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 04:10:04 PM »
This was posted some time ago under another screen name as I recall...............a wee change here and there, but the message is pretty much the same...........


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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2012, 09:11:07 AM »
This was posted some time ago under another screen name as I recall...............a wee change here and there, but the message is pretty much the same...........

So the Holy Spirit has spoken of this to other people as well. I am not surprised.
Care to provide a link?