[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Hello Everyone,
This thread should really end now.
David my brother,
Greetings in the love of Christ.
David, the thread header itself is incendiary so we are now reaping the logical end result of what we started. As to ending the thread I would heartfully recommend that we do not.
Barry is a prodigal, a lost sheep, a lost coin. He has taken the rather dramatic stance of avowing atheism. Yet he frequents this site. Originally not disclosing his atheism yet entering into the discussions here in a manner that would lead you to believe he is a brother in the faith. Granted a brother with his shorts a bit too tight, but then do we not see this all too often in our beloved "Taliban" brothers steeped in legalism?
He also occasionally "Invites" one of us over to the ii for "Serious" discussion with atheists. Like you I too have made the journey. I asked a simple question there, "Why are you afraid of love". A question that could have come from a Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Jew, Agnostic, Atheist or anyone. The nature of the board as you are aware is not conducive to serius discussion. I was quickly branded another "Sky Pilot" and ridiculed and jeered. The majority of the ridicule was of inferior quality even stooping to the low of ridiculing my nickname, "Booty".
Not a really admirable history here at GCM, but then I have continually seen a streak of decency in Barry for all his posturing and blustering. I strongly feel he has been molded in great part by us, the church of Christ. He exhibits characteristics that are embarrassingly very coC.
Have you ever been threatened with disfellowship, David? Has your witness been questioned because of your "Heretical" study of oriental philosophies?, (By the way, I study brehon, Druidic Law), has it ever been said you should be removed from your calling because of your "Heresy"? Have you ever had a single point that you raised in total sincerity be taken out of context and misconstrued to prove you "Unsaved"? Has a commission ever been contemplated to investigate and correct you? Any of this sound familiar? It is coC, very coC sadly.
Barry ended his spiritual journey in a One Cup congregation. One Cup, a schism that is based in legalism, the very narrow interpretation that the cup must be passed and shared. We are all familiar with the verses they use to arrive at their viewpoint, Mt 20:22,23; 26:27 Mk 10:38,39; 14:23 Lk 22:17 Objectively reading these passages, the cup itself was apparently passed. The One Cup adherents have a valid point. But then we could also take their point a step further and deny us all the blood of the Lord. We could interpret these passages as referring specifically to the particular cup that Jesus offered to the disciples. We then would become adherents of the One Particular Cup!! (Too bad we exclude instruments, I do believe that deserved a wee roll on the brodhan and perhaps a trumpet!!).
I respect the One Cup folks their opinion. Actually I rather support it, we share a common cup when we gather on the beach. But I do not in any way feel it is grounds for a division of church unity and for this reason I label this a legalism.
Legalisms, dogmatisms I do not agree with, difference I do. If the congregation in the next village follows the One Cup practice and is willing to accept and respect our multiple cups, praise the Lord. But when they commence attacking our opinion and condemning us for our different point of view, they are breaking the unity of His church.
We have nearby a congregation that does not touch wine nor spirits, another congregation nearby uses real wine in their communion. When we meet for shared services, the "Dry" group is served grape juice and the "Wet" wine during the communion. Side by side they participate in the Holy Supper of our Lord receiving jointly the pact in His blood.
This is UNITY as our Lord desired. This is UNITY as was the original theme of our movement, Unity in the faith, Liberty in opinion and Charity for each other above all
Barry at one point in time threatened me that he would contact a One Cup friend who is in charge of overseas missions to send a missionary here to set me straight on various points. We currently have a very serious split occurring in the western portion of the country, a grace based congregation has taken the stand that the Lord and not them decides who is saved. A legalistic congregation has judged, condemned and disfellowshipped them for this. The ripples spread, if you have contact with the disfellowshipped congregation, then you too are disfellowshipped. Commissions are being formed and groups of legalists are traveling to and fro, up and down on it investigating and judging.
David, we painfully know how costly travel is. We have a missionary vision. We are dedicated to planting other congregations in other villages. This involves travel, quite a bit of it. We are also painfully aware how many communities exist where there is NO CHURCH OF ANY FLAVOUR. Communities where people either travel considerable distances to a Catholic congregation on festival days or they simply do without. We are committed to planting "House Churches" in as many of these communities as we can. I know the Lord provides for this mission, he has abundantly and I have every confidence that He will continue. But Lord forgive me, I do get upset when I think of the time and resources being squandered in pride and vanity by traveling commissions to enforce a uniformity with dogmatisms! Oh do not misunderstand me, we do not want their money. Far from it, but I would love to see one of these commissions at least take the time to witness during their travels, at least when they stop to eat so it would not INCONVENIENCE them.
My beloved Barry is a product of this narrow dogmatic vision, he is a product of legalism. My firm opinion is we should make all effort to maintain contact with him. David, he's here for a reason, he is not ready to admit it but I know you can see it as well. Barry is seeking.
I do not like some of his methods, I do not like my Lord being called the "Big J". I do not like reading of "my little Elihus" being threatened. But I love the man who typed it.
Brother, forgive me, perhaps I too am like Elihu on this fine morning. Bursting like new wine. Forgive me my form and manner, "My Elihus" call me the world's oldest teenager and my tact is lacking at times. But David, let us continue with Barry.
From the breastplate of St Patrick
Christ be with me
Christ be within me
Christ behind me, Christ before me
Christ beside me, Christ to win me
Christ to comfort me, Christ above me
Christ in quiet, Christ in danger
Christ in hearts of all that love me
Christ in mouth of friend and stranger