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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2009, 06:02:30 AM »


If Christians are to go just by the scriptures, then we must stick to the biblical understanding of what constitutes sin. 

The following give an important clue as to the original and divine understanding of Adultery:
Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Ezekiel 16:32
[But as] a wife that committeth adultery, [which] taketh strangers instead of her husband!

Notice that there must be a married woman with someone other than her husband for adultery to be committed. 
It is impossible for a single woman to commit adultery!  And if a married man sleeps with a woman whom is not married to another man, then this is not adultery either!



I think the definition of unmarried sex is fornication.
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2009, 06:07:45 AM »
Typical response:  A version of that was the Old Testament.    As if right and wrong change from time to time.  Nonsense

You want to live by the law. The bad news for you is that if you live by the law, you die by the law.


What's even sadder is that you will be judged by the Law...   Too bad he ignores that.

PFC Hall...   Please answer my question as to what the PFC means...  are you Active Duty Army?     ::tippinghat::
Interesting, Kensington.  I wonder what the Military would think about his new, illegal "marriage"?

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2009, 07:51:09 AM »
Matthew 5:27-29 (King James Version)

 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Seems the Son of God thought a man could also committ adultery.

Now I will leave you 2 to agree with one another in this nonsense.

Interesting POV. That's a direction I hadn't considered.

Unfortunately for all of us who believe monogamy is God's way, this isn't a monogamy statement. The gune of this passage is referring to the married woman, i.e., if one even thinks about having sex with another man's wife, it's as good as done in his heart-mind. This was adultery to them, having sex with another man's wife. We want it to say that the it is about the married man, but it wasn't. It was about the married woman IOW, the dude could still have sex with a single woman, even though he was already married. This was culturally acceptable to them.
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2009, 08:52:40 AM »
Adultery is very realted to the covenant of marriage.  If a person is under the covenant of marriage, and sleeps outside of that covenant of marriage, then that person commits adultery sinning against his/her spouse and their covenant of marriage. 

In the ancient Near-East, biblical days, most couples established marriage covenants that expected women to be reserved for their husband, but men were not expected to either not take another wife or be intimate with a single woman.  This was the norm, but not the rule; some couples agreed upon a covenant of marriage that established the family in monogamy and both the man and woman agreed to be faithful to each other and not be physically intimate with anyone but their spouse.

In our culture today, most marriage covenants are entered with the expectation of mutual faithfulness, and thus for a married person, husband or wife, to be sexually intimate with someone other than one's spouse is to commit adultery and sin against one's self, one's spouse, against the marriage covenant, and against God!

Concerning the role of civil government, I believe that civil governments are established by God to bring social order, to mitigate the oppression of the weak, and to protect it's members.  Part of fulfilling these responsibilities means that the civil government much enact and enforce laws restraining the selfishness of mankind.   Should civil government penalize adultery.  Apparently God thinks so for He inspired Moses to legislate civil law for the nation of Israel that penalized adultery with capitol punishment, death by stoning.  Adultery was thus a serious offence against not only one's spouse but apparently against the social order. 

Of course, speaking prophetically of issues of the heart, Jesus challenged us to be careful not to lust/covet after someone else's wife.  And Paul goes on to encourage, especially young men, to flee fornication.  We can become so consumed with our selfish physical desires that we'll eventually sin and bring destruction into our lives and the lives of others. 

Jesus also endoresed monogamy as the divine ideal for marriage, and frankly, the further we get away from the divine ideal, the more problems we'll have and our loved ones will have.  But did God inspire Moses to legislatively enact monogamy?  No.  Should our government legislate monogamy?  I'm not firmly convinced either way.
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2009, 09:07:30 AM »
Typical response:  A version of that was the Old Testament.    As if right and wrong change from time to time.  Nonsense

You want to live by the law. The bad news for you is that if you live by the law, you die by the law.


What's even sadder is that you will be judged by the Law...   Too bad he ignores that.

PFC Hall...   Please answer my question as to what the PFC means...  are you Active Duty Army?     ::tippinghat::
Interesting, Kensington.  I wonder what the Military would think about his new, illegal "marriage"?

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I've been wondering, too. DH tells me the army would consider that to be adultery.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2009, 10:09:35 AM »
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Jesus also endorsed monogamy as the divine ideal for marriage, and frankly, the further we get away from the divine ideal, the more problems we'll have and our loved ones will have.  But did God inspire Moses to legislatively enact monogamy?  No.  Should our government legislate monogamy?  I'm not firmly convinced either way.

"Jesus also endorsed monogamy as the divine ideal for marriage..."

Yes. What more do we need??
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2009, 10:20:11 AM »
Interesting, Kensington.  I wonder what the Military would think about his new, illegal "marriage"?

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He honeymooned in Missouri, that may be a good place to start inquiries for a private first class Hall.
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2009, 10:21:10 AM »
My lawyer keeps telling me that judges don't take adultery into consideration during a divorce procedure anymore. I live in the Province of Quebec, Canada...

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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2009, 10:26:41 AM »
Yeap.. no-fault divorces have taken the sting out of adultery.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2009, 10:29:05 AM »
My lawyer keeps telling me that judges don't take adultery into consideration during a divorce procedure anymore. I live in the Province of Quebec, Canada...



 No they don't in the UK either. it is now called 'irretrievable breakdown' . I don't think that the world thinks that there is much wrong with it now and it is so common.
 I read recently that 60% of married men are unfaithful to their wives and 40% of women are unfaithful to their husbands.  I think that is appalling. sadly many in my family and ex husbands family and my husbands family are guilty of this. I used to have three sisters in law and now I have none, they all committed adultery and broke up their marriages.
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« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2009, 10:40:18 AM »
You can divorce for anything these days. my husbands ex had an affair with a three times married and divorced non Christian police inspector, and becuase she wanted a  quick divorce to marry him, she divorced her then husband for unreasonable behaviour. The ironic thing was that she was the one behaving unreasonably but thats life. ::shrug:: If she hadnt done this she would have had to be seperated for two years before she could get a divorce.
Well she got her divorce but didnt get her man (either of them)
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2009, 10:50:46 AM »
My husband never even gave me or the judge (to my knowledge) a reason for wanting a divorce...I believe it's simply because he didn't have a single one (and still doesn't to this day) !...the only mention in the demand of divorce papers was that we would be considered divorced one year after the day I was served that demand of divorce papers...

It has been dragging on for almost three years now (it will be three years on Father's Day that he announced me that he wanted a divorce, not being served the papers yet, that came about a month later) and the divorce is still not completely finalized yet!...

My husband told our daughter that we were considered divorced the day that they both left me! And that was the day after Father's Day of that year (2006)!...and of course, since my daughter was so young and naive (14 years old at the time), she believed him!...she was even calling his girlfriend her step-mother!...I finally made her understand that since they weren't married but rather just living together, then that woman was not her step-mother...

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2009, 02:47:10 PM »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2009, 03:46:11 PM »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

Well if you end up in prison and are acquainted with bubba...then you can have 3 spouses.
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2009, 05:50:41 PM »
He that is without sin cast the first stone.  Adultery is adultery and when it isn`t and otherwise should be it is most likely fornication.  However let GOD sort it out and determine the punishment,(if any there be). ::tippinghat::
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