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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #35 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 11:09:35 »
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Jesus also endorsed monogamy as the divine ideal for marriage, and frankly, the further we get away from the divine ideal, the more problems we'll have and our loved ones will have.  But did God inspire Moses to legislatively enact monogamy?  No.  Should our government legislate monogamy?  I'm not firmly convinced either way.

"Jesus also endorsed monogamy as the divine ideal for marriage..."

Yes. What more do we need??

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« Reply #36 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 11:20:11 »
Interesting, Kensington.  I wonder what the Military would think about his new, illegal "marriage"?

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He honeymooned in Missouri, that may be a good place to start inquiries for a private first class Hall.

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« Reply #37 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 11:21:10 »
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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #38 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 11:26:41 »
Yeap.. no-fault divorces have taken the sting out of adultery.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #39 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 11:29:05 »
My lawyer keeps telling me that judges don't take adultery into consideration during a divorce procedure anymore. I live in the Province of Quebec, Canada...



 No they don't in the UK either. it is now called 'irretrievable breakdown' . I don't think that the world thinks that there is much wrong with it now and it is so common.
 I read recently that 60% of married men are unfaithful to their wives and 40% of women are unfaithful to their husbands.  I think that is appalling. sadly many in my family and ex husbands family and my husbands family are guilty of this. I used to have three sisters in law and now I have none, they all committed adultery and broke up their marriages.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #40 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 11:40:18 »
You can divorce for anything these days. my husbands ex had an affair with a three times married and divorced non Christian police inspector, and becuase she wanted a  quick divorce to marry him, she divorced her then husband for unreasonable behaviour. The ironic thing was that she was the one behaving unreasonably but thats life. ::shrug:: If she hadnt done this she would have had to be seperated for two years before she could get a divorce.
Well she got her divorce but didnt get her man (either of them)

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #42 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 15:47:10 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #43 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 16:46:11 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

Well if you end up in prison and are acquainted with bubba...then you can have 3 spouses.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #44 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 18:50:41 »
He that is without sin cast the first stone.  Adultery is adultery and when it isn`t and otherwise should be it is most likely fornication.  However let GOD sort it out and determine the punishment,(if any there be). ::tippinghat::

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #45 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 18:56:22 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

Why won't you answer my question?  PFC Hall are you active duty military personel?

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #46 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 22:38:06 »
Trying to get him arrested and a dishonorable discharge?

That's not very nice.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #47 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 22:39:56 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

"male privilege"?? of having sex with many women? You have got to be kidding.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #48 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 22:43:02 »
Interesting, Kensington.  I wonder what the Military would think about his new, illegal "marriage"?

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He honeymooned in Missouri, that may be a good place to start inquiries for a private first class Hall.

This is starting to sound like a witch hunt.  ::frown::

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« Reply #49 on: Thu May 21, 2009 - 22:44:16 »
This is starting to sound like a witch hunt.  ::frown::

Eh. I'm not fond of felons. That Mormon colony was turned in not so long ago...same thing.

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #50 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 00:11:33 »
Sounds like stalking, to me. That's also a crime.

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« Reply #51 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 02:08:18 »
Sounds like stalking, to me. That's also a crime.


Not on the internet it's not... they have not figured out exactly how to regulate that area.   

I asked him a simple question...  The Military has a code of conduct.  Like it or not.  He posted his whole name and rank here, that is a violation of OPSEC...   If he had answered my question.... I would have explained it to him.  I can't get him arrested...  but... that information he posts sure can. 

My husband serves honorably, by the book...  My sons do also...   I'm just trying to figure out why Honor doesn't mean any thing to him, or the COC.. they all pledge to live up to. 

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #52 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 02:14:18 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

"male privilege"?? of having sex with many women? You have got to be kidding.


Come on Phoebe...  get with the program...  don't you want to be his NEXT wife?   He'll take you to the Lake for a honeymoon!  He may go all out and rent a boat and take you for a ride!  Now, girl.. How can you resist that?  This is your chance to call a man "Master"

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #53 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 04:17:44 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

"male privilege"?? of having sex with many women? You have got to be kidding.


  Sadly that is what a very small number or men (mormons) actually still believe. Its all about sex. if they really cared about the women (as many of them try to say) they could easliy have them in their homes to look after them and their children as if they were sister in Christ without committing sexual immorality with them, and without being unfaithful to the wife who they have promised to be faithful to..Lets see how many would actually do that.(None I suspect). That would show how much they actually care about other women who have as yet no husband.
There are plenty of men around and absolutely no need for anyone to have more than one wife. The more men that have two or more wives the more other man who will have no wife.How is that loving your brother?

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #54 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 05:35:44 »
 PFC does not have to be a military rank--It could be an acronym for POOR FOOLISH CIVILIAN.  Or it could stand for many other things.   ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #55 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 05:57:22 »
I think it is something to do with the mormon faith.

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« Reply #56 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 07:43:45 »
You guys need to stop getting hung up on things like what does PFC mean

Here is the biblical definition of adultery and Jesus never changed this definition:

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel, Deut 22:22

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« Reply #57 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 10:29:06 »
You guys need to stop getting hung up on things like what does PFC mean?  

Here is the biblical definition of adultery and Jesus never changed this definition:

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel, Deut 22:22

You NEED to stop getting hung up on the "woman, man" thing...  as though the scriptures only speak to one concerning sin.  

Paul said.... "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."  
In Galatians 3:28

If it's sin for one... it's sin for both.  Get off the "women" only thing.  Surely your education cannot be that simple.  

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« Reply #58 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 10:31:20 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

"male privilege"?? of having sex with many women? You have got to be kidding.


Come on Phoebe...  get with the program...  don't you want to be his NEXT wife?   He'll take you to the Lake for a honeymoon!  He may go all out and rent a boat and take you for a ride!  Now, girl.. How can you resist that?  This is your chance to call a man "Master"

Being a bit of a jerk now, aren't you, kensington?

What you are attempting to do is stalking. I am considering reporting this to the moderators.


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« Reply #59 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 10:34:26 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me. 

"male privilege"?? of having sex with many women? You have got to be kidding.


Come on Phoebe...  get with the program...  don't you want to be his NEXT wife?   He'll take you to the Lake for a honeymoon!  He may go all out and rent a boat and take you for a ride!  Now, girl.. How can you resist that?  This is your chance to call a man "Master"

Being a bit of a jerk now, aren't you, kensington?

What you are attempting to do is stalking. I am considering reporting this to the moderators.



No... it was humor... sarcastic humor.   Why are you offended?

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« Reply #60 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 10:39:05 »
I'm not giving up the male privilege that God has given me.  

"male privilege"?? of having sex with many women? You have got to be kidding.


Come on Phoebe...  get with the program...  don't you want to be his NEXT wife?   He'll take you to the Lake for a honeymoon!  He may go all out and rent a boat and take you for a ride!  Now, girl.. How can you resist that?  This is your chance to call a man "Master"

Being a bit of a jerk now, aren't you, kensington?

What you are attempting to do is stalking. I am considering reporting this to the moderators.



No it isn't.  I asked him a simple question that he ignored and ignored.  I've seen many people RE-ASK many questions here from time to time and were not accused of stalking.   Had he EVER answered my question I would have reminded him of certain rules so he could change a few posts or his name.

But, I"m not sure what any of it has to do with you.  

BTW... I already know enough about him...  that I could have found out myself if he was military (that would be stalking) and or reported him to a command that would hold him accountable.  I could have done that the first day.  So...  Stalking, it is not. 

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« Reply #61 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 11:30:23 »
Sounds like stalking, to me. That's also a crime.

I surely hope not. He admitted to being a felon. My brother is in the military. He should be held accountable to his oaths just as my brother is.

I'd turn my brother in if he was committing a crime.

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« Reply #62 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 16:14:13 »
Seems inappropriate behavior for a Christian web site.

Sounds like stalking, to me. That's also a crime.

I surely hope not. He admitted to being a felon. My brother is in the military. He should be held accountable to his oaths just as my brother is.

I'd turn my brother in if he was committing a crime.

I'm sorry, I missed it. Where did he admit to being a felon?

If he is in MO, it is only a misdemeanor.

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« Reply #63 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 18:47:12 »
In Missouri or any state...  If he is in the military...  He is in violation of Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. 

And the grand prize for this is...   

Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.   

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« Reply #64 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 18:50:38 »
I'm sorry, I missed it. Where did he admit to being a felon?

If he is in MO, it is only a misdemeanor.

I stand corrected, he is a felon in my state. And if he was anything of a soldier, he's respect his duty to his country to abide by the laws of the United States (as formerly sworn to do so).

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« Reply #65 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 18:53:38 »
I'm sorry, I missed it. Where did he admit to being a felon?

If he is in MO, it is only a misdemeanor.

I stand corrected, he is a felon in my state. And if he was anything of a soldier, he's respect his duty to his country to abide by the laws of the United States (as formerly sworn to do so).

No... you are not wrong yet...  If he is military... He is committing a felony.  And that authority is WORLD WIDE for the man in uniform.  You swear an oath and the US Government owns you until that contract is up and you receive an HONORABLE discharge... and not before.

For the active duty military, the Military's authority always TRUMPS the state.

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« Reply #66 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 18:56:20 »
No... you are not wrong yet...  If he is military... He is committing a felony.  And that authority is WORLD WIDE for the man in uniform.  You swear an oath and the US Government owns you until that contract is up and you receive an HONORABLE discharge... and not before.

I stand re-corrected. So then by military Code...he is a felon regardless of location.

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« Reply #67 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 18:57:13 »
Indeed.

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« Reply #68 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 19:31:44 »
You guys need to stop getting hung up on things like what does PFC mean?  

Here is the biblical definition of adultery and Jesus never changed this definition:

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel, Deut 22:22

You NEED to stop getting hung up on the "woman, man" thing...  as though the scriptures only speak to one concerning sin.  

Paul said.... "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."  
In Galatians 3:28

If it's sin for one... it's sin for both.  Get off the "women" only thing.  Surely your education cannot be that simple.  


Amen, Kensington!

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Re: Biblical Adultery vs Cultural Definition
« Reply #69 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 20:09:34 »
Then let the military handle it.

I find targeting someone as if this were a Salem witch hunt, whom you've never met, whose real name you don't know, whose occupation you don't know, whom you don't even know if he's blowing smoke or telling the truth, about whom you truly know nothing as facts, to sick the law on him, to be unconscionable for a Christian. You can pat yourselves on the backs like Pharisees 'til the cows come home telling yourselves you are doing the right thing, but thinking that doesn't make it so. Nor is it going to persuade this young man in another direction.