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« on: Tue May 14, 2002 - 21:48:35 »
Bobby, of course you are right. Campbell and others with a larger vision would be sickened at what passes for orthodoxy today. This statement of his gets at the reality of the situation:


[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]"What makes divisions now?  The man who sets up his private judgements as the standard of truth, and compels submission to them, or the man who will bear with a brother who thinks in some things differently from him? No man can, with either reason or fact on his side, accuse me of making divisions among Christians. I declare non-fellowship with no man who owns the Lord in word or deed. Such is a Christian. He that denies the Lord in word or deed is not a Christian. A Jew or Gentile he may be, a Pharisee or Sadducee he may be, but a Christian he cannot be!  If a man confess the Lord Jesus, or acknowledge him as the only Savior sent by God; if he vow allegiance to him and submit to his government, I will recognize him as a Christian and treat him as such. If a man cause divisions and offenses by setting up his own decisions, his private judgement, we must consider him a FACTIONIST, and as such he must be excluded -- not for his difference in opinions, but because he makes his opinion an idol, and demands homage to it.[/quote]

These would be considered words of heresy in many quarters today. Is it possible to recover this understanding?  I do not believe today that we have the horror that division and sectarianism caused to these early advocates of a unifying vision. In fact, much of our theology promotes it and exults in it.

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« Reply #1 on: Tue May 14, 2002 - 20:37:21 »
I thought I would share this with the GCM Board. BV

In the late 1820's as the things heated up in the Redstone Baptist
Association, pressure was brought upon Campbell.  The disfellowshiping kind of pressure!  A group met together and "Resolved" not to fellowship Campbell and his "doctrines."  This was his rather enlightening response (one that needs too be heard in Churches of Christ today).  It is lengthy but I think we need to read it all:

The Spirit of Intolerance

"What means this intolerant spirit? I ask again, What is the meaning of it?
Is every man who acknowledges in word and deed the supreme authority of Jesus of Nazareth as Lord Messiah; who has vowed allegiance to him, who is of good report as respects good works, to be sacrificed upon the alter of opinion, because his opinion upon some speculation, fact or doctrine differs from mine?  Because, while he admits that Jesus died for our sins, he will not dogmatize upon the nature, extent and every attribute of 'the atonement,' is he to be deemed unfit for the kingdom of heaven? Admitting 'an election of favor,' is he to be given over to Satan because of some opinion about the conditionality or unconditionality of that election. In one word, are we to understand that an exact agreement in opinion, a perfect uniformity is contended for as a bond of union? If so, let our Baptist brethren say so, Let them declare to the world that

"'Tenth, or ten thousandth, breaks the chain alike.'

"That a disagreement in the tenth opinion, or in the ten thousandth opinion, breaks the bond of union. If this be the decree, let it be published and translated into all languages -- let it be know and read by all men. If, again, a perfect uniformity be not decreed, but a partial uniformity, let it be proclaimed in how many opinions an agreement must be obtained; then we shall know who are, and who are not, to be treated as heathen men and publicans.

"What makes divisions now?  The man who sets up his private judgements as the standard of truth, and compels submission to them, or the man who will bear with a brother who thinks in some things differently from him? No man can, with either reason or fact on his side, accuse me of making divisions among Christians. I declare non-fellowship with no man who owns the Lord in word or deed. Such is a Christian. He that denies the Lord in word or deed is not a Christian. A Jew or Gentile he may be, a Pharisee or Sadducee he may be, but a Christian he cannot be!  If a man confess the Lord Jesus, or acknowledge him as the only Savior sent by God; if he vow allegiance to him and submit to his government, I will recognize him as a Christian and treat him as such. If a man cause divisions and offenses by setting up his own decisions, his private judgement, we must consider him a FACTIONIST, and as such he must be excluded -- not for his difference in opinions, but because he makes his opinion an idol, and demands homage to it.

"There are some preachers in the East and in the West -- some
self-conceited, opinionated dogmatizers -- who are determined to rend the
Baptist communities into factions by their intolerance. They wish, moreover, to blame it upon on us. As well might blame the sun for its light and heat as blame us for creating divisions. When we shall have cut off from the church any person or persons because of difference of opinion, then they may say, with reason, we cause divisions. Till then it is gratuitous.  They are the heretics, not we. Yes, they are the heresiarchs, and will be so regarded by all the intelligent on earth, and by all in heaven."  (Christain Baptist, Burnett's Edition, p.651).

So relevant is this to our day. It deserves thoughtful and careful
rereading.  Notice that it is to be a factionist to use our opinions as
tests of fellowship.  Notice it is the spirit of dogmatism and intolerance
-- indeed Campbell says IDOLATRY, to make our understandings the bond of fellowship.

If this is not happening today then I am seriously misreading what is going on around me.

How about some feedback and discussion on this matter?

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« Reply #2 on: Wed May 15, 2002 - 00:21:57 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (nerdneh @ May 14 2002,2:48)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--] I do not believe today that we have the horror that division and sectarianism caused to these early advocates of a unifying vision. In fact, much of our theology promotes it and exults in it.[/quote]
Bob, I believe you have found the root of the problem.  We have come to see division as a way of life -- indeed as a mark of faithfulness!  The more narrow and exclusive we are the more faithful we become.  

We must, somehow, recover the scandal of division in the church.  I do not know how to do it but that has to be one of our greatest priorities.  The Cross is mocked by our silly divisions over things that do not have a thing to do with NT Christianity  ???

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