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Quote from: Lively Stone on July 24, 2011, 02:17:07 PM

Quote from: INJ on July 24, 2011, 01:49:18 PM

A christian can shipwreck their faith and lose their salvation. But they Lord knows who are his and they will not be taken from his hand.

Shipwrecked doesn't mean lost.

God doesn't renege. We do. Once He moves into his temple ---the spirit of a man---He doesn't move out.

exactly - he says he will never leave you or forsake you
so i may have shipwrecked but didn't abandoned faith  "stones are lively"  thats cute i LUV that

ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift. meaning we are once again, a sinner. this is why we,(any who claim to follow Jesus and serve his Father Jehovah GOD),... ask daily for forgiveness.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Quote from: Lively Stone on July 15, 2011, 11:54:04 AM

"Can a Christian lose salvation?"

though many wants to believe .."once saved,always saved", that's a false teaching,in a sense. meaning Jesus dead was a gift for ALL humans,who decides to follow his Teachings,and do HIS Father's WILL,(Matt.7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven). when we get baptized,we are blessed with the gift of everlasting life, because of Jesus death. at that point of coming out of the water,we are sinned-free. so at that point,we have the gift of salvation.

NOW!... here's what many refuse to believe,simply because they're NOT TRUELY living the way Jesus taught us to live, and refuse to serve his Father. ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift. meaning we are once again, a sinner. this is why we,(any who claim to follow Jesus and serve his Father Jehovah GOD),... ask daily for forgiveness.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.(many Christians don’t realized from about 10 minutes after coming out of the baptismal water, we might have sin,even if it was a small lie. Be-it willfully or unknowingly. Therefore we made void,what was meant to be.in other words…we’re NOT SAVED,now standing in judgement).

(2).1John :9 ,10-If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(3).1John 1:7-10, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.  (pray to God for forgiveness of our sins, then they are wiped clean). If not, we’re not forgiven. We also need to make sure we’re walking in God’s way).

being baptized doesn't mean we can sin all we want,then repent on deaths bed. as many so WRONGLY believe and teach. that's playing God for a fool,it's like saying look God i called myself a christian. yet i was totally part of the word,in which you told me NOT to be. now i repent because i think i'm going to die,and you have to accept my repentance. WRONG!... GOD ISN'T TO BE PLAYED WITH,(Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap).

we must do our best to follow Jesus teachings,and serve his Father,UP to the end of our days. in order for that gift of salvation  to be enforced,(Matt.24:13 -But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved). peace

Quote from: jojo50 on July 25, 2011, 11:23:40 AM

Quote from: Lively Stone on July 15, 2011, 11:54:04 AM

"Can a Christian lose salvation?"

though many wants to believe .."once saved,always saved", that's a false teaching,in a sense. meaning Jesus dead was a gift for ALL humans,who decides to follow his Teachings,and do HIS Father's WILL,(Matt.7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven). when we get baptized,we are blessed with the gift of everlasting life, because of Jesus death. at that point of coming out of the water,we are sinned-free. so at that point,we have the gift of salvation.

NOW!... here's what many refuse to believe,simply because they're NOT TRUELY living the way Jesus taught us to live, and refuse to serve his Father. ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift. meaning we are once again, a sinner. this is why we,(any who claim to follow Jesus and serve his Father Jehovah GOD),... ask daily for forgiveness.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.(many Christians don’t realized from about 10 minutes after coming out of the baptismal water, we might have sin,even if it was a small lie. Be-it willfully or unknowingly. Therefore we made void,what was meant to be.in other words…we’re NOT SAVED,now standing in judgement).

(2).1John :9 ,10-If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(3).1John 1:7-10, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.  (pray to God for forgiveness of our sins, then they are wiped clean). If not, we’re not forgiven. We also need to make sure we’re walking in God’s way).

being baptized doesn't mean we can sin all we want,then repent on deaths bed. as many so WRONGLY believe and teach. that's playing God for a fool,it's like saying look God i called myself a christian. yet i was totally part of the word,in which you told me NOT to be. now i repent because i think i'm going to die,and you have to accept my repentance. WRONG!... GOD ISN'T TO BE PLAYED WITH,(Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap).

we must do our best to follow Jesus teachings,and serve his Father,UP to the end of our days. in order for that gift of salvation  to be enforced,(Matt.24:13 -But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved). peace

Wow.  Pretty hard to have "joy unspeakable and full of glory" with that type of "salvation"!!!  If we become "unsaved" every time we sin we're ALL in a lot of trouble!!    No---the Bible doesn't teach that jojo50.  When we are born-again we are saved eternally.  ALL OF OUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN FOREVER.  And why?  Because Jesus said IT IS FINISHED when he had paid for every last sin we could ever commit.  The person who receives Christ and is born-again is eternally forgiven. 

We confess our sins to remain in fellowship with the Lord.  If we don't confess our sins we begin to turn away from the Lord, and the love we have for the Lord will go cold.  But we do not lose our salvation as a result.  We do not become "un-born-again"---that is impossible.  We lose fellowship with God. When we confess our sins we are cleansed, and we remain close to our Father in a daily walk.

To teach that one becomes lost when they sin is not scriptural at all.