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Re: Can a Christian lose salvation?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2011, 05:25:27 PM »
A christian can shipwreck their faith and lose their salvation. But they Lord knows who are his and they will not be taken from his hand.

Shipwrecked doesn't mean lost.

God doesn't renege. We do. Once He moves into his temple ---the spirit of a man---He doesn't move out.

exactly - he says he will never leave you or forsake you
so i may have shipwrecked but didn't abandoned faith  ::pray:: "stones are lively"  thats cute i LUV that

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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2011, 03:52:02 AM »
A christian can shipwreck their faith and lose their salvation. But they Lord knows who are his and they will not be taken from his hand.

Shipwrecked doesn't mean lost.

God doesn't renege. We do. Once He moves into his temple ---the spirit of a man---He doesn't move out.

exactly - he says he will never leave you or forsake you
so i may have shipwrecked but didn't abandoned faith  ::pray:: "stones are lively"  thats cute i LUV that


Thanks so much, minnoo.  ::tippinghat::

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Re: Can a Christian lose salvation?
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2011, 11:23:40 AM »
"Can a Christian lose salvation?"

though many wants to believe .."once saved,always saved", that's a false teaching,in a sense. meaning Jesus dead was a gift for ALL humans,who decides to follow his Teachings,and do HIS Father's WILL,(Matt.7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven). when we get baptized,we are blessed with the gift of everlasting life, because of Jesus death. at that point of coming out of the water,we are sinned-free. so at that point,we have the gift of salvation.

NOW!... here's what many refuse to believe,simply because they're NOT TRUELY living the way Jesus taught us to live, and refuse to serve his Father. ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift. meaning we are once again, a sinner. this is why we,(any who claim to follow Jesus and serve his Father Jehovah GOD),... ask daily for forgiveness.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.(many Christians don’t realized from about 10 minutes after coming out of the baptismal water, we might have sin,even if it was a small lie. Be-it willfully or unknowingly. Therefore we made void,what was meant to be.in other words…we’re NOT SAVED,now standing in judgement).

(2).1John :9 ,10-If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(3).1John 1:7-10, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.  (pray to God for forgiveness of our sins, then they are wiped clean). If not, we’re not forgiven. We also need to make sure we’re walking in God’s way).

being baptized doesn't mean we can sin all we want,then repent on deaths bed. as many so WRONGLY believe and teach. that's playing God for a fool,it's like saying look God i called myself a christian. yet i was totally part of the word,in which you told me NOT to be. now i repent because i think i'm going to die,and you have to accept my repentance. WRONG!... GOD ISN'T TO BE PLAYED WITH,(Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap).

we must do our best to follow Jesus teachings,and serve his Father,UP to the end of our days. in order for that gift of salvation  to be enforced,(Matt.24:13 -But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved). peace



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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2011, 11:49:57 AM »
Can a Christian lose salvation?

How could they when a Christian didn't find it in the first place?

Salvation was not lost to be found

We were!

We lost but now we are found...you were lost because you were stolen, kidnapped, in bondage, a prisoner bound by Satan

Jesus ransomed you

Whom the Son sets free is free indeed

We have been delivered from the powers of darkness...

That is the definition of salvation

Even if one participates in the activity of a slave, one is still free by virtue of Emancipation

Legally you are no longer a slave

Legally you can leave the plantation even if you decide to stay there willingly

Legally having accepted Jesus as Lord... you are in fact, free!

What you do with your freedom.....


Well that is another topic altogether! ::shrug::
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Re: Can a Christian lose salvation?
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2011, 11:56:25 AM »
Can a Christian lose salvation?

How could they when a Christian didn't find it in the first place?

Salvation was not lost to be found

We were!

We lost but now we are found...you were lost because you were stolen, kidnapped, in bondage, a prisoner bound by Satan

Jesus ransomed you

Whom the Son sets free is free indeed

We have been delivered from the powers of darkness...

That is the definition of salvation

Even if one participates in the activity of a slave, one is still free by virtue of Emancipation

Legally you are no longer a slave

Legally you can leave the plantation even if you stay there willingly

Legally having accepted Jesus as Lord you are free

What you do with your freedom.....


Well that is another topic altogether! ::shrug::

AMEN!

I keep having the image of a bird kept in a cage so long that when his master opens the door, he doesn't even bother to fly out, unaware of what the truth is---that his position has changed, and what his freedom brings.

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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2011, 11:58:14 AM »

ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift. meaning we are once again, a sinner. this is why we,(any who claim to follow Jesus and serve his Father Jehovah GOD),... ask daily for forgiveness.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,



Wow you are good. As soon as you lose your gift of eternal life, are you lost again? Do you receive Jesus again and get baptized again?

What of willful sin? Ever had even one little white lie? Ever purposefully disobeyed a law of the land that you were told to obey? And it goes on and on if you want it to; how about selling all you have and giving to the poor, loving your neighbor as yourself, one coveting thought, etc.; you really don't think you accidentally sin do you? or that the devil made you do it?

Do you realize that for what you consider willful sin cannot be again repented of? Hebrews 10:26  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. It sounds as if you are in deep trouble without hope.

No, I do not believe that. Like most law keepers I suppose your attempts fall 100% short of the glory of God, but we have a gracious Savior that keeps us, and He will lose none of us who He has been given.

Thank God and may He continue to keep us in spite of ourselves in Jesus' name.
 

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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2011, 12:00:15 PM »
"Can a Christian lose salvation?"

though many wants to believe .."once saved,always saved", that's a false teaching,in a sense. meaning Jesus dead was a gift for ALL humans,who decides to follow his Teachings,and do HIS Father's WILL,(Matt.7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven). when we get baptized,we are blessed with the gift of everlasting life, because of Jesus death. at that point of coming out of the water,we are sinned-free. so at that point,we have the gift of salvation.

NOW!... here's what many refuse to believe,simply because they're NOT TRUELY living the way Jesus taught us to live, and refuse to serve his Father. ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift.

If we have lost it, why does the word tell us that Jesus is our advocate on high when we sin?  
Why does He give us parables about going to find the sheep that wandered away?
Or the Father waiting for his son to return to him?
God promises that He holds us in His righteous right hand and NOTHING can snatch us from His grasp.  ::smile:: Not even our very own selves.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.(many Christians don’t realized from about 10 minutes after coming out of the baptismal water, we might have sin,even if it was a small lie. Be-it willfully or unknowingly. Therefore we made void,what was meant to be.in other words…we’re NOT SAVED,now standing in judgement).

So the shed blood of Jesus wasn't that powerful then?  If all it takes to void what He did on the cross is us goofing up and sinning...man, that's depressing!

(2).1John :9 ,10-If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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AMEN!  He forgives us because He knows us. loves us and calls us His own!

Hebrews 10:11-18
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

 15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

 16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
   after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
   and I will write them on their minds.

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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2011, 04:08:33 PM »
"Can a Christian lose salvation?"

though many wants to believe .."once saved,always saved", that's a false teaching,in a sense. meaning Jesus dead was a gift for ALL humans,who decides to follow his Teachings,and do HIS Father's WILL,(Matt.7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven). when we get baptized,we are blessed with the gift of everlasting life, because of Jesus death. at that point of coming out of the water,we are sinned-free. so at that point,we have the gift of salvation.

NOW!... here's what many refuse to believe,simply because they're NOT TRUELY living the way Jesus taught us to live, and refuse to serve his Father. ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift. meaning we are once again, a sinner. this is why we,(any who claim to follow Jesus and serve his Father Jehovah GOD),... ask daily for forgiveness.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.(many Christians don’t realized from about 10 minutes after coming out of the baptismal water, we might have sin,even if it was a small lie. Be-it willfully or unknowingly. Therefore we made void,what was meant to be.in other words…we’re NOT SAVED,now standing in judgement).

(2).1John :9 ,10-If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(3).1John 1:7-10, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.  (pray to God for forgiveness of our sins, then they are wiped clean). If not, we’re not forgiven. We also need to make sure we’re walking in God’s way).

being baptized doesn't mean we can sin all we want,then repent on deaths bed. as many so WRONGLY believe and teach. that's playing God for a fool,it's like saying look God i called myself a christian. yet i was totally part of the word,in which you told me NOT to be. now i repent because i think i'm going to die,and you have to accept my repentance. WRONG!... GOD ISN'T TO BE PLAYED WITH,(Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap).

we must do our best to follow Jesus teachings,and serve his Father,UP to the end of our days. in order for that gift of salvation  to be enforced,(Matt.24:13 -But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved). peace


Wow.  Pretty hard to have "joy unspeakable and full of glory" with that type of "salvation"!!!  If we become "unsaved" every time we sin we're ALL in a lot of trouble!!    No---the Bible doesn't teach that jojo50.  When we are born-again we are saved eternally.  ALL OF OUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN FOREVER.  And why?  Because Jesus said IT IS FINISHED when he had paid for every last sin we could ever commit.  The person who receives Christ and is born-again is eternally forgiven.  ::smile::

We confess our sins to remain in fellowship with the Lord.  If we don't confess our sins we begin to turn away from the Lord, and the love we have for the Lord will go cold.  But we do not lose our salvation as a result.  We do not become "un-born-again"---that is impossible.  We lose fellowship with God. When we confess our sins we are cleansed, and we remain close to our Father in a daily walk.

To teach that one becomes lost when they sin is not scriptural at all.

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2011, 04:20:03 PM »
Amen fish. ::clappingoverhead::

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« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2011, 06:34:39 PM »
"Can a Christian lose salvation?"

though many wants to believe .."once saved,always saved", that's a false teaching,in a sense. meaning Jesus dead was a gift for ALL humans,who decides to follow his Teachings,and do HIS Father's WILL,(Matt.7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven). when we get baptized,we are blessed with the gift of everlasting life, because of Jesus death. at that point of coming out of the water,we are sinned-free. so at that point,we have the gift of salvation.

NOW!... here's what many refuse to believe,simply because they're NOT TRUELY living the way Jesus taught us to live, and refuse to serve his Father. ONCE we do our first sin,after leaving the baptismal waters, guess what?!...we now lost that gift. meaning we are once again, a sinner. this is why we,(any who claim to follow Jesus and serve his Father Jehovah GOD),... ask daily for forgiveness.

(1).Heb.10:26,27- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.(many Christians don’t realized from about 10 minutes after coming out of the baptismal water, we might have sin,even if it was a small lie. Be-it willfully or unknowingly. Therefore we made void,what was meant to be.in other words…we’re NOT SAVED,now standing in judgement).

(2).1John :9 ,10-If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(3).1John 1:7-10, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.  (pray to God for forgiveness of our sins, then they are wiped clean). If not, we’re not forgiven. We also need to make sure we’re walking in God’s way).

being baptized doesn't mean we can sin all we want,then repent on deaths bed. as many so WRONGLY believe and teach. that's playing God for a fool,it's like saying look God i called myself a christian. yet i was totally part of the word,in which you told me NOT to be. now i repent because i think i'm going to die,and you have to accept my repentance. WRONG!... GOD ISN'T TO BE PLAYED WITH,(Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap).

we must do our best to follow Jesus teachings,and serve his Father,UP to the end of our days. in order for that gift of salvation  to be enforced,(Matt.24:13 -But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved). peace


Wow.  Pretty hard to have "joy unspeakable and full of glory" with that type of "salvation"!!!  If we become "unsaved" every time we sin we're ALL in a lot of trouble!!    No---the Bible doesn't teach that jojo50.  When we are born-again we are saved eternally.  ALL OF OUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN FOREVER.  And why?  Because Jesus said IT IS FINISHED when he had paid for every last sin we could ever commit.  The person who receives Christ and is born-again is eternally forgiven.  ::smile::

We confess our sins to remain in fellowship with the Lord.  If we don't confess our sins we begin to turn away from the Lord, and the love we have for the Lord will go cold.  But we do not lose our salvation as a result.  We do not become "un-born-again"---that is impossible.  We lose fellowship with God. When we confess our sins we are cleansed, and we remain close to our Father in a daily walk.

To teach that one becomes lost when they sin is not scriptural at all.

Righto, fishy baby.

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« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2011, 07:51:02 PM »
A christian can shipwreck their faith and lose their salvation. But they Lord knows who are his and they will not be taken from his hand.

Shipwrecked doesn't mean lost.

God doesn't renege. We do. Once He moves into his temple ---the spirit of a man---He doesn't move out.

What is a shipwreck? If you were in one you would certainly suffer lose, you wouldn't get to where you were going. You might even die. The dichotomy of scripture it the responsibility of man and the grace of God working together in unity.  It cannot be earned but you need to choose it. You cannot make it happen, but you should seek it. You cannot save yourself but can win others. You do not start it or finish salvation but you working it out in due course. He never leaves nor forsakes you but if you do not acknowledge him before men he will not acknowledge you before his father. He sends his Holy Spirit to comfort, convict, teach and exhort but if anyone does not recognise his spirit there is a danger of blaspheming the spirit, from where there is no forgiveness.

We are seated with Christ in heavenly places and we are co-heirs with him. We are co-workers and are to judge all things yet be as innocent as lambs.

No-one really knows who is saved, which is my point. We can get an idea from the fruit, and a witness in our spirit. But sometimes we just do not know. God allows the wheat to grow with the tares. I never want to be in a position to tell someone they can continue sinning because they are a Christian and the Lord loves them if in doing so I condemn them to hell. Anyone who is born of God does not continue sinning. The Holy Spirit teaches them to say no to ungodliness with great patience.

But in all things there is balance. Because God is a God of order.
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2011, 07:57:58 PM »
I praise my Saviour---a Saviour saves----that when I was shipwrecked and on the rocks, spiritually, He sent me the Holy Spirit to speak to me words of truth and reconciliation.

That Saviour is the Captain of the ship---He threw me a LIFESAVER. He will never allow anyone or anything to pluck me out of His hand, praise God!


John 10:28-29
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand.

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« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2011, 08:03:56 PM »
I praise my Saviour---a Saviour saves----that when I was shipwrecked and on the rocks, spiritually, He sent me the Holy Spirit to speak to me words of truth and reconciliation.

That Saviour is the Captain of the ship---He threw me a LIFESAVER. He will never allow anyone or anything to pluck me out of His hand, praise God!


John 10:28-29
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand.


Amen. Let us all be sure to follow the Lord.

His mercy endures forever. I never set aside the grace of God. Thank God for Jesus