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Can dementia be compared to being demon possessed?
« on: January 31, 2013, 02:02:02 PM »
Can dementia be compared to being demon possessed?

I am having a little problem where I work as a caregiver. I have been told that this lady in particular has dementia. When I first started working there back in April, her behavior wasn't so bad. I knew she hated most people in general, every employee that works there knows that but she has gone much worse lately towards me. This lady hates me, she tells me so herself every time she sees me enter her room. When we give her her bed bath in the morning, we are always two employees because of her lack of cooperation. She kicks me, punches me, scratches me, slaps me but rarely does those things to the other employee. Her language is very hurtful and insulting towards me, very rarely towards the other employee...

I have made a complaint against her to the top nurse a few weeks ago, I have asked that she gets a reevaluation on her meds, but nothing has been done. I do know that she has no medication whatsoever for the way she violently acts. They say that she is a client and that my attitute towards her is what triggers her to attack me this way but that is a lie. This morning, she did the usual attacks and the other employee simply tells me to not take it personally but I am not capable of doing so since I am the one being slapped and punched and insulted because this lady is so mean. I have to hold her tightly so she wont slap me or anything else while the other one is washing her...

My boss called me a few minutes ago to tell me that I won't be working on that floor on Saturday. Somebody else has agreed to take my place and I will take that other person's place for the evening. I know that I won't be working on that floor anymore...that is a great relief!...but my good reputation has taken a beating unfortunately...:( (((((((((

I know for a fact that the other caregiver I work with and the nurse on that floor both hate me and have started rumours against me because I don't always agree with them. All I can manage to do is cry my eyes out today, I am so discouraged...:( ((((((((







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Can dementia be compared to being demon possessed?
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Re: Can dementia be compared to being demon possessed?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 02:49:26 PM »
Oh dear poor you.

I think that any sort of mental illess or similar can be cauaed by evil spirits, buts it impossible to say if this is the case here. IF there is no other reason for her behaviour with you, excpet that you are a Christian, it may be the case. Who knows.

Do you pray for protection when you go to work?.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 03:36:23 PM »
Chosen, I don't know if she knows that I am a Christian...
I need documentation on dementia like how they usually act towards others, if it's considered normal for someone that has dementia to act this way...
Some of the employees say that this lady knows what she is doing or saying and others say that she doesn't...but I say that if she does recognize me each and every time she sees me, then she does know!...

My boss said today that I might be the one with the problem!...the nurse and the other caregiver as well!!!...I am known on the other floors as someone gentle, patient and caring for the residents...not the way those two describe me!....this is insane!...
I am now afraid that I might lose my job over this...:(

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 03:43:46 PM »
That lady never goes out of her room, and I mean never. She is kept there because she won't get along with anyone...

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 03:58:36 PM »
Other details...this lady is big and wears diapers. We need to use a lifter to get her out of bed after she has been washed and clothed. She won't let anyone change her at night so in the morning she is always socking wet.

This morning, that lady told the other caregiver that she was fat. My biggest mistake, and I am ashamed of it, believe me...it just came out of my mouth because I am so fed up of her insults...:(((((
I told her that she needs to look at herself before telling others how fat they are...:((((((((
I never should have said that and that's what got me into trouble...:(((((





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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 04:42:30 PM »
I agree with chosenone.  That could go either way. 

You might take some oil and anoint the doorframe leading into her room and, as was already stated, pray for divine intervention as you enter the room. 

But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

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Re: Can dementia be compared to being demon possessed?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 08:05:22 AM »
Well  first let me say this, I know you believe in Jesus. But I don’t know if you acknowledge his Father as the ALMIGHTY God Jehovah  ,( Exo. 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them). Or even pray to him, INSTEAD of Jesus as Jesus showed we should ,(Matt. 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name). honoring God’s name as something Holy.  And  (John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me). Hence when finishing a prayer, we say in Jesus name. I’m saying this because whenever I go through trials, I pray to Jehovah God in Jesus name.


Satan ,many don’t understand , can play a big part in the negative things we as imperfect humans can do and say ,( 1Pet.5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour), He will attack.  If as you say, it seem to be towards you ,(her action), then it could be satan. I wished you personally knew her, It would make the answers to your question much clearer. Jehovah God would NEVER make ANYONE act mean to another. I have a very big heart, so When someone act mean towards me, I would pray to Jehovah, (Isa. 41:13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee). I figured there’s something wrong here.  Then treat them with love and kindness. In time they come around, and even apologize for being the way they were.


Satan doesn’t care about even babies, many kids were attacked, so he most definitely don’t care about anyone else. He’s angry and he’s taking it out on humans ,( Rev. 12:12). If those nurses are mad , maybe it’s because they never seen her as being a mean person. Which would mean to me, satan choose you to make her act in such a way. I thought have a big heart , never care what others said or thought of me. But I understand how you feel as far as your good name is concern. Considering it’s concerning your work ethics. If you KNOW you did nothing wrong to the lady, just pray to Jehovah God. I have to say him, because I know Jesus knew he had a Father to pray to  ,( Matt. 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt). In time people will come around. peace
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 08:27:55 AM »
I agree with chosenone.  That could go either way. 

You might take some oil and anoint the doorframe leading into her room and, as was already stated, pray for divine intervention as you enter the room.

Be careful with your advice.  I would ask God to rebuke any foul spirits.  If there are demons involved and you trust God to rebuke them, He will.  Be careful about taking to yourself duties that are not your perogative...

Act 19:11  And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Act 19:12  So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Act 19:13  Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14  And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15  And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Act 19:16  And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

A simple "the Lord rebuke you" is quite sufficient.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2013, 09:02:39 AM »
I agree with chosenone.  That could go either way. 

You might take some oil and anoint the doorframe leading into her room and, as was already stated, pray for divine intervention as you enter the room. 



You also might want to take hr to see a doctor.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 12:17:07 PM »
I need documentation on dementia like how they usually act towards others, if it's considered normal for someone that has dementia to act this way...



http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dementia/DS01131/DSECTION=symptoms

http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/tc/dementia-symptoms

http://www.helpguide.org/elder/alzheimers_dementias_types.htm


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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 12:55:58 PM »
People with senile dementia, presenile dementia and bona fide Alzheimer's Disease will take on personality changes that cause them to act in ways that they would never have acted if they were their normal selves. I know of a wonderful pastor who developed Alzheimer's in his senior years and when the disease took full hold, he changed into a foul-mouthed and angry man, saying words that he would never let pass his lips before.

If you understood that the changes that these brain diseases cause in a personality, perhaps you would have more compassion for her. In her normal state in the pat, she may have been a perfectly lovely person to know. Perhaps it would behoove you to do some research on her life to give yourself some perspective.

It is a good thing that you work with partners. My oldest daughter worked nights in the lock down unit of an Alzheimer's wing of a large nursing home facility. She worked alone with the registered nurse of the entire floor including her wing outside of the locked area. They were once outfitted with cell phones to be used as an alarm call in case something happened. She would often be battered or kicked, but one night less than a year ago, she caught a large male patient wandering into a room where two women were asleep and so as usual, she went to distract him and to get him to come with her. He grabbed her arm tightly and she could not break free. he began to slam her head against the wall and for twenty minutes he did that continually, while she flailed and screamed, to no avail. The facility's administration had recently removed the cell phones from the staff saying they could no longer afford them. Finally my daughter broke free and ran for her life with him chasing her.

She was off work immediately for a serious concussion and continues now to be off work with a neck injury requiring injections into the occipital nerve, vestibular ear, which is permanent, fibromyalgia and PTSD, as well as nystagmus of the eyes. She is not the young woman I know any more, and her professionals say she will most likely never be able to work in the care giving field again...if anywhere. We are praying for healing!

So, these patients are merely a shell of their former selves, and you need to take every precaution against being injured, but at the same time be compassionate for the people they once were. In the past, I have also worked in the chronic care of a major hospital as a nurse, and have had these types of patients to deal with.

When these patients begin to act out, it cannot do harm to take spiritual authority over them and anything that may be driving them.

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 02:53:39 PM »
Lively...I am soooo sorry for your daughter. It must have been very frightening for her. We had a man that was violent a few months ago on the protetic unit. He wasn't only violent towards us but also towards the other residents. I was at work the evening he left for the hospital to then never come back...
I was told that this lady always had a bad temper throughout her life. It just got worse with dementia. I always had quite compassion for people with Alzheimer's disease. But this lady, she is really really mean, I have never seen that kind of behavior before...I find it scary...

fcadcock ...I have no right whatsoever to get her to see a doctor. Her daughter and the nurses and the doctor that comes once a week make those decisions. I was also told this afternoon by one of the nurses that called me at my house that this lady had taken some sort of medication for her anger a while ago but it just made her have hallucinations so they stopped it...

Nevertheless...thank you for the links, I did use Google a few days ago and have seen those three among others...I was hoping to maybe find something new about the subject...

jojo50...of course, I acknowledge Jesus' Father as the ALMIGHTY God Jehovah ...Everyone that works on that floor knows that this lady is mean. I have however never seen her hit others the way she does me...last Monday, I entered in her room with some Christian music playing in my ear from my IPod. It helped tremendeously because I concentrated on the words of the music instead of her and she didn't touch me...I am not allowed to use this method though and in the afternoon when I had to go back to her room to help her for the toilet, she again got mad at me for no good reason...arghhhh how frustrating it is...

notreligus...I wouldn't dare put oil around her doorframe. I agree with John 8:32 ...There are cameras in the corridors - but not in their rooms - and most of the people working there are no believing Christians. I would certainly lose my job for doing something like that, they wouldn't understand...I would be more than willing to say "the Lord rebuke you" though...

Anyways, I won't be scheduled on that floor anymore for now on...that would be the best solution for everyone involved...Thank God!!!


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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 02:56:52 PM »
Thank you very much each and everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it...:)

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Re: Can dementia be compared to being demon possessed?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 03:38:23 PM »
There are very few people that it talks about in scripture as being possessed by a demon.  There are quite a few that it says possessed a demon.  Note the difference.  To be possessed is to have surrendered control to the other entity.  To possess the demon is to have control, but to clasp and hold onto the problem as something that is a part of yourself.

What you describe is someone who holds onto her anger, and makes it a part of her identity.

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2013, 06:13:48 PM »
Lively...I am soooo sorry for your daughter. It must have been very frightening for her. We had a man that was violent a few months ago on the protetic unit. He wasn't only violent towards us but also towards the other residents. I was at work the evening he left for the hospital to then never come back...
I was told that this lady always had a bad temper throughout her life. It just got worse with dementia. I always had quite compassion for people with Alzheimer's disease. But this lady, she is really really mean, I have never seen that kind of behavior before...I find it scary...

What makes the suffering worse for my daughter is that the facility is refusing to reissue the phones to their staff and the male patient was promised to be moved to another facility, but he is still there as large as life. They don't care about their staff being in jeopardy or hurt, or as my daughter is---unemployable, an invalid, her life changed drastically for the worse. A couple years ago another young woman on staff was strangled nearly to death by another male patient---and this facility has won many awards and is recognized by the province as being top notch. Yeah, sure.

The patient you are having problems with just may be made worse by her dementia, but not necessarily demonized, although she may have had demonic strongholds, being an unsaved person to begin with, and so the intelligence behind her eyes sees the righteousness in you and will lash out under cover of the disease. Very likely.

You can rebuke the demonic yourself as you have been given Jesus' authority to speak to it and tell it to be quiet and/or get lost in Jesus' name.
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