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Christ's Nativity
« on: Mon Oct 08, 2018 - 07:28:19 »
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Luke 1:1-4 . . Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us-- just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us --it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

Luke's report is alleged to have been written somewhere around AD60, roughly thirty years± after the facts. Plus, it's not an eye-witness report; rather, it's essentially the result of investigative reporting.

Luke's report was written neither to or for a church, it was written to and for a specific person; which leads me to believe that Luke wasn't expecting his work to end up in the Bible. Apparently the canon's compilers felt that Luke was "inspired" so his document was included.
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #1 on: Mon Oct 08, 2018 - 07:31:06 »
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Luke 1:26-27 . . In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

That particular sixth month wasn't a date on the Jew's calendar. It was relative to the second trimester of Mary's cousin Elizabeth. (Luke 1:24, Luke 1:36)

NOTE: Mary and Elizabeth were related by blood to Rachel's sister Leah by her two sons Levi and Judah.

The koiné Greek word for "virgin" is parthenos (par-then'-os) which basically means a maiden; particularly a daughter that's not married. In point of fact, at this juncture Mary was engaged.

Joseph's association with David is extremely important in matters related to theocratic royalty.
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #2 on: Mon Oct 08, 2018 - 09:46:18 »
Is. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
         and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
         and his NAME shall be CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor,
         The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The Son will bear the NAME of his FATHER.  Jesus was NOT JHWH-Elohim.

Did God lie when He breathed into the prophets to REPUDIATE the Civil-Military-Clergy whom He abandoned to worship the HOSTS of heaven while despising the CREATOR of the Host?

Col. 4:14 LUKE, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.
2Tim. 4:11 Only LUKE is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: 
       for he is profitable to me for the ministry.

In addition Luke compiled OTHER Eye witness accoungs.

Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her,
          Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb,
          and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great,
          and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
          and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever;
          and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

g165 aion, ahee-ohn´; from the same as 104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): — age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare 5550.

Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel,
         How shall this be, SEEING I KNOW NOT A MAN

DID MARY LIE?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her,
        The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
        and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
        therefore also that holy thing which
        shall be born of thee shall be called the SON OF GOD

DID THE ANGEL LIE?

God BREATHED into ADAM to make Him a Living Soul without a mother.  Mary was chosen to PROVE prophecy about Jeconiah.  The WORD of God is the SEED.

God BREATHED (Spirit) and the SEED of Abraham and David produced life.

1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written,
        The first man Adam was made a living soul;
         the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Cor. 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,
         but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cor. 15:47 The first man is of the earth, EARTHY:
         the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Cor. 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy:
         and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Cor. 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
         we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
         neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.   

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #3 on: Mon Oct 08, 2018 - 12:45:33 »
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Luke 1:28 . .The angel went to her and said: Greetings, you who are highly favored!

"highly favored" is translated from the Greek word charitoo (khar-ee-to'-o) which means to indue with special honor. It's a rare word that appears in only one other verse in the entire New Testament at Eph 1:6.

The angel wasn't describing Mary's character as if she was an ultra pious Jew. He merely stated that she was the object of a very special blessing; same as Christ's believing followers are the objects of a very special blessing at Eph 1:6, i.e. the angel informed Mary that she was extremely fortunate; though for the moment she had no clue as to why.

NOTE: The Douay Rheims version of Luke 1:28 says that Mary was "full of grace" instead of highly favored and "blessed are you among women". Those phrases aren't translated from the Greek; i.e. editors took the liberty to insert them because in their opinion that's what the passage ought to say even though it doesn't, so we can safely ignore them.

Arbitrary editing can be troublesome at times because the practice erodes our confidence in the Bible as the inspired word of God. Sometimes arbitrary editing is helpful; but other times it just muddies the waters.
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #4 on: Mon Oct 08, 2018 - 13:38:32 »
Is. 7:11 Ask thee a SIGN of the Lord thy God; a
        Ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
Is. 7:12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask,
       NEITHER WILL I TEMPT THE LORD
Is. 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David;
        Is it a small thing for you to weary men,
        but will ye weary my God also?

Is. 7:14 THEREFOR the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
        Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, a
        And shall call his NAME Immanuel.

H5959. almah, al-maw´; feminine of 5958; a lass (as veiled or private):—damsel, maid, virgin.
h5958.elem, eh´-lem; from 5956; properly, something kept out of sight (compare 5959),

virgo     Transf., of female animals that have not coupled,
Of particular virgins.—Of a Vestal  absŏlūtĭo ,

Is. 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat,
        that he may know to refuse the evil,
        and choose the good.
Is. 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil,
        and choose the good,
        the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Is. 7:17 The Lord shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people,
        and upon thy father’s house, days that have not come,
        from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #5 on: Mon Oct 08, 2018 - 14:29:59 »
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Luke 1:29 . . She was greatly troubled at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this might be.

Artists generally depict the angel as a celestial being with wings and/or aglow with some sort of ethereal light. But I don't think that's how this one came knocking. He probably looked to Mary no different than an ordinary man because the New Testament Greek word for angel is aggelos (ang'-el os) which refers to all manner of messengers, e.g. prophets (Matt 11:10), delegates (Luke 7:24), church officers (Rev 1:20 3:14), and apparitions. (Rev 22:16)

I rather suspect that Mary was a little nervous that maybe this man talking to her wasn't some sort of crackpot.

Luke 1:30 . . But the angel said to her: Do not be afraid, Mary,

The New Testament Greek word for "afraid" is phobeo (fob-eh'-o) which basically refers to fright and alarm. Mary was scared; and who wouldn't be when a total stranger walks into your life out of nowhere, talking crazy, and knowing your name to boot?
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« Reply #6 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 07:15:06 »
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Luke 1:30 . .You have found favor with God.

The Greek word translated "favor" is charis (khar'-ece) a common word for "grace" which, in my estimation, is best understood as gracious; and can be defined as kind, courteous, inclined to good will, generous, charitable, merciful, altruistic, compassionate, thoughtful, cordial, affable, non threatening, genial, sociable, cheerful, warm, sensitive, considerate, and tactful.

The equivalent of charis in the Old Testament is chen (khane); for example:

"Noah found favor with The Lord." (Gen 6:8)

I think it fair to say that when someone has found favor with God, it probably means that He's taken a liking to them; or at least an interest; for example:

"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you." (John 15:9)
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« Reply #7 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 12:58:24 »
The Progressives who claim that A spirit authorized them (visions and audible voices) to perform HERESY or the SECTARIAN ACT to CHOOSE your happy ACAPPELLA church as a "theater for holy entertainment." Whether the radical persona of preaching or women standing in the holy places CLAIMING to be MEDIATORS to lead you into the presence of God.  The PARTHENOS [from Homer and Revelation 18 about the BRIDES and BRIDE GROOMS performing EXPLICITLY

http://www.piney.com/Sara.Barton.The.Song.of.Solomon.html

John also wrote decades after His and other's personal experiences. He wrote to DEBUNK the synagogues of Satan which were Jews and Greeks claiming that Jesus was REALLY Jehovah IN THE FLESH.  The VIRGIN BRIDE or Parthenos Luke and John needed to debunk was the Mother Goddess or Maiden who COUPLED with the likes of Apollon as the father and LEADER of His Musical Worship Team always used to groom people for an encounter with the Devil.

Matt. 22:14
For many [the major portion]
       are called, [kletos=Invited]
but few [duration or value]
       are chosen. [Ekletos] selected, favorite]

Macros are INVITED
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them,
       Go ye into all the world,
       and preach the gospel to EVERY creature. [ALL nations=Gentiles]
Mark 16:16 He that believeth AND is baptized SHALL BE  saved;
       but he that believeth not [PROVES TREACHEROUS] shall be damned.

THESE ARE THE ELECT: invited to the wedding, washed and CLOTHED with Christ.

2John 1 The elder unto the elect lady [Church] and her children,
        whom I love in the truth;
        but also all they that have known THE TRUTH (the Word, Logos Regulative Principle)
        which DWELLETH IN us, and shall be WITH us for ever.
2John 3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace,
         from God the Father,
         AND
         from the Lord Jesus Christ,
              the SON OF the Father,
                   \ in truth and love.

THE TEST WHICH IS ABSOLUTE: Do you believe that "Jesus is the ANOINTED the Son OF the Living God?"  John wrote to debunk doubting Thomas who blurted "My Lord and My God."

The future KING of a Spiritual Kingdom would be the SEED of Abraham in Spirit and the SEED of David in the Flesh [Romans 1]

Out of many women God CHOOSE Mary as a Divine Favor to her but BECAUSE of "Divine favor and its influence in HER LIFE."

Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David;
        and the virgin’s name was Mary.
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail,
         thou that art highly FAVORED,
         the Lord is with thee: BLESSED art thou AMONG women.

FAVORED
G5487.  charitoo, khar-ee-to´-o; from 5485; to grace, i.e. INDUE with special honor: — make accepted, be highly favoured.

INDUED with the honor of bearing the Spiritual SEED of Abraham and the Physical SEED of David BECAUSE of her own character.

BLESSED
2127. eulogeo, yoo-log-eh´-o; from a compound of 2095 and 3056; to SPEAK WELL,
           i.e. (religiously) to bless (thank or invoke a benediction upon, prosper): — bless, praise

Luke 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying,
        and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary:
        for THOU hast found FAVOR WITH God.

God doesn't show favor to PARTHENOS in the Hebrew (mother godess) or modern churches working to AROUSE you with laded burdens and YOU PAY THE.

g5485.charis, khar´-ece; from 5463; graciousness (as gratifying),
        of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal,
        figurative or spiritual;
        ESPECIALLY the divine influence upon the heart, and its REFLECTION IN THE LIFE;
        including gratitude): — acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality,
        pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy).

NOTICE: When God puts Holy Spirit into a person the SPEAK what God PUTS IN THEIR MOUTH. Speaking does not cause you to be ADDED to the Church BY Christ

Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary,
        the babe leaped in her womb;
        and Elisabeth was filled with the HOLY GHOST

Luke 1:42 And she SPAKE OUT with a loud voice,
        and said, Blessed art thou among women,
        and blessed is the fruit of THY womb.
Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me,
        that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

John didn't LEAP because he Elizabeth SPOKE but because HE HEARD the Good News or gospel.

Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
        the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Luke 1:45 And BLESSED IS SHE THAT BELIEVED
        FOR there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

I will let REAL SCHOLARS define the Pagan PARTHENOS which John wrote to correct.  From Patmos John could see the island were Circe or Kirke (Circle, church) was buried.  If you want to understand Scripture and CLAIM TO ENHANCE IT FOR A PRICE you had better read what ANY literate person can read.

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #8 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 16:18:10 »
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Luke 1:31a . . Behold,

 The Greek word translated "behold" is idou (id-oo') which, in this case, means to listen up and pay attention 'cause this is important.

Luke 1:31b . . you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son.

The Greek word translated "conceive" means exactly what it says. We're not talking about a test tube baby here. The very same word is used at Luke 1:24 and Luke 1:36 in talking about Elizabeth's baby.

It's amazing the number of Christians I encounter online who honestly believe that baby Jesus was an implant. i.e. that his mom was a surrogate mother instead of his biological mother.
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« Reply #9 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 18:48:37 »
Sorry about that.  However, a Christian is a Disciple is a Student of the Word of Christ. Jesus said that the Civil-Military-Clergy which God abandoned at Mount Sinai could not be defeated until all of the prophecies CONCERNING ME are fulfilled.  That includes Moses promising ANOTHER PROPHET. LIKE ME.

Apostates such as Max Lucado and Rubel Shelly claim that God slipped a VEIL OF LIGHT into Mary. That is why they claim that we should think of the S.O.N. god as the S.U.N. God.  The Jews worshipped the the HOSTS of heaven but never the CREATOR of the HOSTS. 

God is said to have CREATED ADAM out of the DUST of the ground.  Too bad for "scholars" but the DUST people were the ABORIGINES of Sumer who never had a SPIRIT able to hear the only Lord-God.  He breathed into Adam the BREATH of life which speaks of forming or educating him. Light is intelligence or happiness: Darknesg is IGNORANCE.   That first account begins again in Genesis 5

Gen. 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.
         In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen. 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them,
        and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen. 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years,
         and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name SETH:

The birth of Jesus is the ANTITHESIS of the Jewish worship of the Egyptian family  represented by Apis the golden calf.



She was the Queen of Heaven worshipped by Jewish female and modern "christians"

Isis was the FEMALE who had to fertilize dead Osiri

Horus was the EVIL SON.

PAUL, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Rom 1:1
(Which he had promised afore by his PROPHETS in the HOLY SCRIPTURE,) Rom 1:2
        Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was
        MADE of the SEED [spern] of David according to the flesh; Rom 1:3

g1096. ginomai, ghin´-om-ahee; a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen”-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.): — arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, x soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

When SPIRIT comes upon one the result is the WORD: The Word is the SEED of the Kingdom.  God had the power to PRESERVE the seed or SPERM of Abraham or David.  Because Christianity is based on the STUDY of the Prophets and the New Testament, you WILL believe the record.

And DECLARED to be the Son of God with power,
          according to the spirit of holiness,
          by the resurrection from the dead: Rom 1:4

I suspect that you and lots of "christians" want to say that Jehovah-Elohim was visible and audible in the body of a MAN.

The LORD-GOD is said to have CREATED or FORMED everything.  You could not be much of a Jew to deny the only document. 

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 19:23:28 »
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Mary was instructed to give her miraculous baby the name Jesus.

Luke 1:31c . .You are to give him the name Jesus.

Joseph was instructed to do the same.

Matt 1:20-21 . . An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said: Joseph son of David . . . you are to give him the name Jesus

Joseph complied.

Matt 1:25 . . And he gave him the name Jesus.

So Christ went in the books as Joseph's son because that's how it worked in those days when a man stood with a woman to name her child (cf. Luke 1:59, Luke 2:21).

From that day on; Joseph was identified by all, including Mary, as Jesus' father. (Matt 13:55, Luke 2:27, Luke 2:41, Luke 2:48)

Now; the thing to note is that adopted children have just as much legal right to an inheritance as a father's biological children; especially a right to the father's name; and that's how baby Jesus got into Joseph's genealogy at Matt 1:1-17. Had the little guy been Joseph's foster child, or his stepchild; then it would've been fraud for Matthew to place the boy in Joseph's genealogy.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 21:00:24 »
If Jesus had been the SON of a man that would have been God's RIGHT to pick a MAN to be the Teacher and Leader of His BRETHREN.  The KEY to most of the events in the life of Jesus is His fulfillment of prophecy in the Prophets and other prophecies "CONCERNING ME."

Luke 22:37 For I say unto you,
       that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me,
       And he was reckoned among the transgressors:
       for the things concerning me have an end.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them,
       These are the words which I spake unto you,
       while I was yet with you,
       that all things must be fulfilled,
       which were written in the law of Moses,
       and in the prophets,
       and in the psalms,
       CONCERNING ME

When they gave the thirst man vinegar as the last insule.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar,
      he said, It is finished:
      and he bowed his head,
      and gave up the ghost.

g5055.  teleo, tel-eh´-o; from 5056; to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt): — accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.

In Luke

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve,
       and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,
       and all things that are written by the prophets
       concerning the SON OF MAN shall be accomplished

Peter included ONLY the Prophets who repudiated the whole CARNAL system of Civil-Military-Clergy which was IMPOSED to carry out God's final punishment.

THAT WOULD LEAVE THE JEWS WITHOUT EXCUSE.

Acts 13:27 For they that DWELL at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
        because they knew him not,
        nor yet the voices of the prophets
                which are READ every sabbath day,
                they have fulfilled them in condemning him

The pattern for the synagogue and church was a ONCE A WEEK READING and learning THE TEXT ONLY.

That is why there was a SMALL REMNANT alive in Jerusalem and who received John's Baptism to prepare for the kingdom.  After that preaching in Jerusalem and area the gospel WENT OUT to the GENTILES.

There was nothing in the Law of Moses or the Laws of the MONARCHY which had any spiritual value. The godly attended synagogue in their isolated towns and could not travel to Jerusalem which quarantined them from the horrors inside the gates of Jerusalem.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
       hath in every CITY them that PREACH him,
       being READ in the synagogues every sabbath [Rest Day] day.

The New Day under Christ has the same meaning as Sabbath. The word PAUO demands that everything PROMOTED in most religions must be SILENCED so that "we might use one mind and one mouth to SPEAK that which is written for our learning" or "Scripture for our Comfort" which is the PARAKLETE function.

Hos. 13:9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.
Hos. 13:10 I will be thy king:
      where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities?
      and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?
Hos. 13:11 I gave thee a KING IN MINE ANGER,
       and took him away in my wrath.

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #12 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 22:02:36 »
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Matt 1:21 . . He shall save his people from their sins.

The word "save" is from the koiné Greek word sozo (sode'-zo) which basically means to rescue and/or protect.

Rescuers typically provide their services to desperate people who are thoroughly incapable of getting themselves out of overwhelming difficulties.

"his people" refers to the Jews.

Heb 2:16-17 . . Assuredly he does not give help to angels, but he gives help to the descendant of Abraham. Therefore, he had to be made like his brethren in all things, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Baby Jesus wasn't related to Aaron, so his high priesthood would not be in accord with the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Jesus' high priesthood would be in accord with a Gentile high priest; in point of fact, baby Jesus' high priesthood would be in accord with a man whose ethnic identity isn't known, nor is anything known about his family or his ancestors.

The boy was to become a high priest in accord with a man that the Jews have heard of, but never actually seen for themselves. The man's name is Melchizedek; he's mentioned way back in the past in association with Abraham. (Gen 14:18-20, Ps 110:1-4, Heb 6:20-7:22)

Now, unless "his people" extends all the way back to Abraham, then the rescue referred to in Matt 1:21 would be limited to some of his people but not all. But according to Isa 53:6, it's all; which is a tremendous improvement over Aaron's high priesthood. His isn't retroactive that far back. It only extends to the year of the installation of the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Deut 5:2-4 . .The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. It was not with our fathers that The Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #13 on: Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 22:34:59 »
SOMETHING WENT WRONG AND THE PEOPLE WERE MADE BLIND AND DEAF UNTIL ANOTHER PROPHET LIKE ME COMES. 

Deut. 29:1 These are the words of the covenant,
        which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab,
        beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

When the people fell into "religion" at Mount Sinai they were made blind and deaf and would never be able to READ the Old Testament nor HEAR it when it was READ in the synagogue ONCE a Week.  Moses promised Another Prophet Like Me so that the Law of Moses and the Lawlesness of the Monarchy was a a BLIND-PAGAN period for the cursed Civil-Military-Clergy.  In Galatians 3 Paul leapfrogs the Law as the new PATTERN for many churches and affirms the only spiritual Covenant made by God in Christ to Abraham. That does not mean that the godly Israelites were abandoned: they attended Synagogue led by vocataional leaders:

It was EXCLUSIVE of Vocal or Instrumental Rejoicing or Rhetoric
It was INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word with no human additions.

That pattern is repeated any time Jesus or anyone stands up to READ and comments only to explain "That which is written for our learning."

Deut. 29:2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them,
        Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh,
        and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;
Deut. 29:3 The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
Deut. 29:4 Yet the LORD HATH NOT GIVEN YOU AN HEART TO PERCEIVE
        and eyes to SEE, and ears to HEAR, unto this day.

Deut. 32:12 So the LORD alone did lead him,
        and there was no strange god with him.

Deut. 32:13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth,
        that he might eat the increase of the fields;
        and he made him to suck honey out of the rock,
        and oil out of the flinty rock;

Deut. 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs,
        and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of whe
        and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.

Deut. 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat,
        thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness;
        then he forsook God which made him,
        and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Deut. 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods,
        with abominations provoked they him to anger.
Deut. 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, [The Devil] [Exodus 32 and more]
        not to God;
        to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up,
        whom your fathers feared not.



The abandoned Civil-Military-Clergy continued to HOLOCAUST both goats and infants.  The Godly people did not enter into their covenant nor attend their synagogues (Genesis 49)

Deut. 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful,
        and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
Deut. 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them,
        because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.


Provoco To call out, challenge to a game. invite one to any thing (as to play, sing, drink, fight, etc.)
Plautus, Curculio 2, 3, 75 “aliquem cantatum,” Ter. Eun. 3, 1, 53

Canto I. Neutr., to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play (class. in prose and poetry; manum histrioni, in comedy, to sing and play while the actor accompanies the song with gestures or dancing, Liv. 7, 2, 10;


Music was and IS DEFACTO an attempt to SILENCE the Word (Dabar or Logos) which OUTLAWS THEM.

Deut. 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them,
        I will see what their end shall be:
        for they are a very froward generation,
        children in whom is no faith.

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #14 on: Wed Oct 10, 2018 - 08:13:46 »
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Matt 1:18 . . His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

Mary must've let the cat out of the bag or how else would Joseph know about God's involvement in his best girl's baby. But I really don't think Joseph believed Mary's story because his next thought was to dump her.

Matt 1:18-19 . . Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not wanting to disgrace her, desired to put her away quietly.

The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God requires engaged women to be executed when they willingly sleep with another man.

Deut 22:23-24 . . If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death-- the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife.

But the law is very particular in capital cases. Nobody can be executed for any crime sans the testimony of a minimum of two witnesses.

Deut 17:6-7 . . At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people.

The Bible says that Joseph was a righteous man; which means that he was a stickler for due process.

So then, in the absence of two witnesses, Joseph had to let Mary slide; the same as grown-up Jesus had to let a woman taken in the very act of adultery slide for lack of witnesses. (John 8:9-11)
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #15 on: Thu Oct 11, 2018 - 07:24:46 »
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Matt 1:20a . .The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said: Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

According to Matt 1:18, Joseph had been apprised of God's involvement in his best girls' baby; but didn't believe it. The angel's corroboration became essential to prevent the couple from parting company.

Incidentally; the koiné Greek word for "wife" just simply means woman. The difference is made by modifying it with a possessive pronoun so that "your wife" is actually your woman.

It's not too difficult to figure out why Joseph was afraid to go thru with the engagement. I mean; just think how humiliating it would be for a decent man to stand before friends and family to marry a girl coming down the aisle knocked up with another man's baby.

And besides; if Mary was already sleeping around, who's to say she wouldn't sleep around again later on after she and Joseph were married? No; immoral girls are a bad bet because they can't be trusted to be faithful and true.
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« Reply #16 on: Thu Oct 11, 2018 - 08:38:08 »
Only our mothers know for sure: DNA is the only way. rofl rofl rofl  Jesus said that the SONS OF THE DEVIL SPEAK ON THEIR OWN AND ON AND ON.

The Sona of GOD are restricted to just SPEAKING THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING. The Sons of God just SPEAK but the sons of the Devil DO. Jesus doesn't PRAY FOR THEN and God HIDES from them. Jude says that they were FOREORDAINED.

The VIPER race are ABORIGINES not ENABLED with SPIRIT.  Jesus said that He and His are FROM ABOVE and those without ears and eyes are from BENEATH or Tartarus Earth Born and not enable to live in a SPIRIT WORLD.  Jesus left us MANY WAYS to determine their genealogy.

John 8:44 Ye are OF [sperm]your father the devil,
        and the lusts of your father ye will DO.
        He was a murderer from the beginning,
        and abode not in THE TRUTH (Word, Logos, Regulative Principle OPPOSITE of Self-Speak.
        because there is no truth in him.
        When he speaketh a lie,
        he speaketh OF HIS OWN:
        for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the MULTITUDES in parables;
         and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,
        saying, I will open my mouth in parables;
        I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the MULTITUDE away, and went into the house:
        and his DISCIPLES came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them,
        He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Matthew 13:38 The field is the world;
        the good SEED are the children of the kingdom;
        but the TARES are the CHILDREN of the WICKED ONE
Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
       the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

SOWED: speirō  2. engender, beget offspring (cf. 11.2), S.Aj.1293, Tr.33, E.Ion 49, etc.; hoi speirantes the parents, spermata

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

In Matthew 13 Jesus spoke to the VIPER RACE in parables to PREVENT them from hearing the invitation which can only be heard by the LITTLE FLOCK of lost spirits.  Jesus said that they are NOT OF THE WORLD.  The World or Kosmos is the planet of the KOSMOKRATOR.

Jesus came to the PLANET OF THE APES to search and rescue LOST SPIRITS.  This is just a tiny (micro) number out of the MASSES (Macro).  The LOCUST PEOPLE are Purpose Driven to collect the MASSES in MEGA PRISONS named after their mother CIRCE or KIRKE
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #17 on: Thu Oct 11, 2018 - 11:51:59 »
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Matt 1:22-23 . . Now all this took place that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying: Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel; which translated means: God with us.

The prophet's name was Isaiah, and the prophecy is located in verse 14 of the 7th chapter of his book.

Now, Joseph and Mary were instructed to name her baby "Jesus". So the identity of "they" in the prophecy wasn't his parents. It was actually the Jews.

Luke 7:14-17 . . Jesus came up and touched the coffin; and the bearers came to a halt. And he said: Young man, I say to you, arise! And the dead man sat up, and began to speak. And Jesus gave him back to his mother. And fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying: God has visited His people! And this report concerning him went out all over Judea, and in all the surrounding district.

NOTE: The name Emmanuel (a.k.a. Immanuel) appears only three times in the whole Bible: twice in Isaiah, and once in Matthew.
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« Reply #18 on: Thu Oct 11, 2018 - 15:11:38 »
An ANGEL from God named HIM and not the JEWS whom God had sent off to Babylon mostly to destruct. They returned with the Babylon Talmud as JEWISH FABLES.

A messenger of the LORD (Yhwh) in Hebrew not Kurios in the Greek.

Matt. 1:20 But while he thought on these things,
        behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
        saying, Joseph, thou son of David,
        fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
        for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
       
Matt. 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son,
        and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
        for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matt. 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son:
        and he called his name JESUS.

Jesus or Joshua or the SON is Jehovah-saves as a hyphenated.  If Jesus is the Son of God then He bears His Father's  NAME but He will NOT BE JEHOVAH-ELOHIM

EMmanoel is an ELOHIM name.

1694. Emmanouh/l Emmanouel, em-man-oo-ale´; of Hebrew origin (H6005); God with us; Emmanuel, a name of Christ: — Emmanuel.

6005.Immanuw}el, im-maw-noo-ale´; from 5973 and 410 with a pronominal suffix inserted; with us (is) God; Immanuel, a type name of Isaiah’s son:—Immanuel. and of Jesus

The God of the Jews was the LORD (YHWH) or the ONLY God or (Elohim)

If you say that Jesus WAS the God of the Jews then Jesus said that you BLASPHEME because He always said that I AM THE SON OF GOD.

The Jews always called him BASTARD. That's fine: it's in the Book. Using a very harsh JUDGMENTAL saying Jesus called them LIARS.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Oct 11, 2018 - 16:24:07 »
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Matt 1:24-25 . . When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord commanded. He brought Mary home to be his wife, but she remained a virgin until her son was born.

The couple didn't marry right away. According to Luke 2:1-7 they journeyed to Bethlehem as an engaged couple rather than a married couple.

At first glance it appears that Mary and Joseph began shacking up; but I hardly think so. The Bible says Joseph was a righteous man. Well; righteous men don't shack up. The "home" that Joseph brought Mary to was likely his family's home rather than a bachelor pad.

Preachers sometimes compose whole sermons to explain why Joseph didn't sleep with Mary right away, but the fact of the matter is: she and Joseph weren't wed till sometime after Jesus was born. Well; righteous men are men of character with high moral standards; viz: they don't sleep with women they aren't married to.
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« Reply #20 on: Fri Oct 12, 2018 - 11:40:59 »
Scripture ALMOST all of the time uses words to identify the GOOD from the TOTALLY EVIL.  Young girls were protected because of morality but also protecting genealogy.  Mary was with Elizabeth and not out running around so that Rubel Shelly could compare her to Cherokee Sal.  Scripture uses Parthenos to tell you Mary was not knocked up before she was married.

Virgin Parthenos

2. of unmarried women who are not virgins, Il.2.514, Pi.P.3.34, S.Tr.1219, Ar.Nu.530.

Hom. Il. 2.511 And they that dwelt in Aspledon and Orchomenus of the Minyae were led by Ascalaphus and Ialmenus, sons of Ares, whom, in the palace of Actor, son of Azeus, Astyoche,
        the honoured maiden, conceived of mighty Ares,
        when she had entered into her upper chamber; [515]
        for he lay with her in secret.

Pi.P.3.34, His mother, the daughter of Phlegyas with his fine horses,
        before she could bring him to term with the help of Eleithuia who attends on childbirth,
        was stricken by the golden [10] arrows of Artemis in her bedroom
        and descended to the house of Hades, by the skills of Apollon.

The anger of the children of Zeus is not in vain. But she made light of Apollon, in the error of her mind, and consented to another marriage without her father's knowledge,
        although she had before lain with Phoebus [Apollon] of the unshorn hair, [15]
        and was bearing within her the pure seed of the god.


Apollo, Apollyon or Abaddon UNLEASHED the Locust or His Musical Worship Team. He is the father of musical melody, perverted worship and leader of the Muses.  They are called sorcerers in Revelation 18 named after the original Babylon Mother of Harlots and they WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE

She did not wait for the marriage-feast to come,
       nor for the full-voiced cry of the hymenaeal chorus,
       such things as unmarried girls her own age
       love to murmur in evening songs to their companion.
       Instead, [20] she was in love with what was distant; many others have felt that passion.

There is a worthless tribe among men which dishonors what is at home and looks far away, hunting down empty air with hopes that cannot be fulfilled. Such was the strong infatuation [25] that the spirit of lovely-robed Coronis had caught.
        For she lay in the bed of a stranger who came from Arcadia;
        but she did not elude the watcher.
Even in Pytho where sheep are sacrificed, the king of the temple happened to perceive it, Loxias, persuading his thoughts with his unerring counsellor: his mind, which knows all things. He does not grasp falsehood, and he is deceived [30] by neither god nor man, neither in deeds nor in thoughts.

Knowing even then of her sleeping with Ischys, son of Elatus, and of her lawless deceit, he sent his sister, raging with irresistible force, to Lacereia, since the girl lived by the banks of Lake Boebias. [35] A contrary fortune turned her to evil and overcame her.
       And many neighbors shared her fate and perished with her; fire leaps from a single spark on a mountain, and destroys a great forest. But when her kinsmen had placed the girl in the wooden walls of the pyre, and [40] the ravening flame of Hephaestus [Tubal Cain]  ran around it, then Apollon spoke: “I can no longer endure in my soul to destroy my own child by a most pitiful death, together with his mother's grievous suffering.”
      So he spoke. In one step he reached the child and snatched it from the corpse;
      the burning fire divided its blaze for him,

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« Reply #21 on: Fri Oct 12, 2018 - 14:17:03 »
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Luke 1:31-32 . . Listen carefully: you will conceive in your womb and bear a son . . and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father.

In order for David to be Jesus' father, he had to be Mary's father too because her pregnancy wasn't man-made.

Stay with me because I'm going to trace Jesus' biological genealogy all the way back to Adam.

Acts 13:22-23 . . "I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will." Of this man's seed hath God, according to His promise, raised unto Israel a savior, Jesus.

Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

The koiné Greek word for "seed" in those two passages is sperma (sper' mah) which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to biological progeny; for example:

Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

That seed is obviously spiritual progeny. But the seed in Acts 13:22-23 and Rom 1:1-3 is biological progeny because David's seed is "according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.

Now, unless somebody can prove clearly, conclusively, iron clad, and without spin and sophistry that David's body was in no way biologically related to Adam's body, then we have to conclude that baby Jesus' body was also biologically related to Adam's body.

Taking this a step further:

Eve's body was made from Adam's body. (Gen 2:21-23)

Consequently, when children are conceived by women that are biologically related to Eve, then the women and the children are biologically related to Adam: whether naturally-conceived or virgin-conceived makes no difference, i.e. every child that biologically descends from Eve also biologically descends from Adam.

Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

It's pretty much agreed by most Christians that Eve's predicted offspring was realized in Christ; which means that baby Jesus was not only Eve's biological offspring but Adam's too because her body was made from material amputated from Adam's body.

So then; in order to cut Jesus out of Adam's biological posterity it would be necessary to cut Mary out of Eve's biological posterity; and I've yet to encounter anyone either online or in church able to do that.
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« Reply #22 on: Fri Oct 12, 2018 - 15:36:33 »
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Q: Was it really necessary for Joseph to adopt Mary's baby?

A: It was essential because God selected Jesus to inherit David's throne. (Luke 1:32)

Mary was directly related to David; but the monarchy passes down through David's son Solomon (1Kgs 1:16-39).

Jesus' mom wasn't directly related to Solomon, so baby Jesus couldn't inherit the monarchy through her. And besides, Israel's monarchy always passed down through David's males; never his females.

Q: Where'd you get this adoption theory of yours?

A: At Gen 48:5-7, Jacob set a patriarchal precedent by adopting his two grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim; and by doing so installed them in positions equal in rank, honor, power, and privilege to his twelve original sons; thus legally increasing Jacob's total number of tribal heads from twelve to fourteen.

Jacob's motive for adopting Joseph's two sons wasn't for himself; it was in sympathy for his beloved wife Rachel being cut off during her child-bearing years, which subsequently prevented her from having any more children of her own. Ephraim and Manasseh bring Rachel's legal total up to six: two of her own, two by the maid Bilhah, and two by Asenath.

Q: If Jesus inherited the Davidic monarchy via adoption, then wouldn't he have inherited Jeconiah's curse right along with it? (Jer 22:29-30)

A: Yes; because the monarchy and the curse were a package deal.

However; the wording "to rule again in Judah" indicates that the curse on Jeconiah's royal progeny was limited to the era of the divided kingdom. That condition came to an end when Nebuchadnezzar crushed the whole country and led first Samaria, and then later Judah, off to Babylonian slavery.

When Messiah reigns, the country of Israel will be unified. His jurisdiction won't be limited to Judah within a divided kingdom, but will dominate all the land of Israel. So the curse doesn't apply to him.

Ezek 37:21-22 . .You shall declare to them: Thus said the Lord God: I am going to take the Israelite people from among the nations they have gone to, and gather them from every quarter, and bring them to their own land. I will make them a single nation in the land, on the hills of Israel, and one king shall be king of them all. Never again shall they be two nations, and never again shall they be divided into two kingdoms
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« Reply #23 on: Fri Oct 12, 2018 - 17:17:29 »
Stop Giving Heed to Jewish Fables?

http://www.piney.com/2.Timothy.4.2.Giving.Heed.Jewish.Fables.html

Who said that there was an adoption: Contrary to the history of the Jews God does what He pleases and PHYSICAL kings have nothing to do with it.  The Hebrews (defacto Egyptians) lost it conditionally at Mount Sinai when they flaunted The Book of The covenant of Grace.  They lost it perpetually when they FIRED God and demanded a king like the NATIONS so that they could worship like the nations.

Hos. 13:11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.

God didn't command King, Kingdom, Priests, Levites, animal and infant HOLOCAUST but this came when God abandoned them.

Matt. 1:6 and Jesse begat David the king.
       And David begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Uriah;
Matt. 1:10 and Hezekiah begat Manasseh; and Manasseh begat Amon; and Amon begat Josiah;
Matt. 1:11 and Josiah begat Jechoniah and his brethren, at the time of the carrying away to Babylon.

         Whether Jeconiah is the same as CONIAH [Jer 22:24] isn't clear
         but Mary does not need to come from Solomon.
         When God promised David a HOUSE David thought that He wanted a Temple.

Matt. 1:16 and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Matt. 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham unto David are fourteen generations; and from David unto the carrying away to Babylon fourteen generations; and from the carrying away to Babylon unto the Christ fourteen generations

END OF GENEALOGY


Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years of age,
        being the son as was supposed of Joseph, the son of Heli,

    In Matthew 1:16 and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary. 
    Therefore, here is the genealogy of Mary.

Luke 3:24 the son of Matthat, the son, of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
Luke 3:25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai,
Luke 3:26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
Luke 3:27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri,
Luke 3:28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
Luke 3:29 the son of Jesus, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi,
Luke 3:30 the son of Symeon, the son of Judas, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
Luke 3:31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha,
        the son of Nathan, the son of David,

Jesus in the flesh was to be the SEED of David and not SOLOMON. He created a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM and brought NOTHING CARNAL into it.

Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And DECLARED to be the Son of God with power,
       according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead

Jesus is the king of a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM which is WITHIN and does not come with OBSERVATION meaning Religious Observations now PATTERNED after Solomon.

Mary was the LITERAL SEED OF DAVID after the FLESH but He was and is the beginning of a NEW CREATION.  God BREATHED Spirit into Adam to make him into a LIVING SOUL.

1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written,
       The first man Adam was made a living soul;
        the last Adam was made a QUICKENING SPIRIT

Jesus was the beginning of the Creation of God of a SPIRITUAL PEOPLE and God used the FLESH OF JESUS to begin a new RACE to replace the CROOKED or RACE OF VIPER PEOPLE. Jesus brought NOTHING of a physical nature containing CARNAL ORDINANCES into the NEW KINGDOM.  Why would God not TERMINATE the CURSE of Abandoning those who rejected GRACE and became more vile than the other nations.

You and close to 100 percent of the people NEED TO COME OUT OF BABYLON.  Jerusalem is called SODOM and the Mother of Harlots.  TIME IS SHORT: why hang onto a TIME of Evil still fed by JEWISH FABLES.

God BREATHED the Word to create everything and when the SPIRIT came upon Mary, Spirit always delivers WORD and the WORD is the SEED of the KINGDOM.

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #24 on: Fri Oct 12, 2018 - 20:56:54 »

NyawehNyoh;

    I have been reviewing your posts and I find most of them interesting and intellectually edifying. However, my concern is that Kenneth is striving once again to “capture” and take control of another thread.

    My suggestion is that you ignore his nonsensical clutter as it relates to your messages—for it does not. Our poor brother, if he is a brother, is possessed with the kind of compulsion that drives him to think he is more knowledgeable than anyone else. He ruins and litters-up just about every new tread.

    When he adds his “stuff” and tries to distort my messages, I reply by posting 4th Grade poems to match his 4th Grade intellect. Everyone tries to tolerate his unrelated nonsense, but it isn’t easy. So keep on posting and good luck.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 10:44:48 »
The New Covenant was made only for Christians, Disciples or STUDENTS of the Word.  Where there is a racist division there cannot be Disciples of Christ..

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.59.New.Covenant.Only.With.Christians.html

Messianic Jews claim that the Messiah is only the Jewish Messiah.  The New Testament calls Jesus CHRIST because MESSIAS

http://www.piney.com/WinTertDeSpec.html

The Dolphins vomit forth in honour of Neptune. Images of Sessia, so called as the goddess of sowing; of Messia, so called as the goddess of reaping; of Tutulina, so called as the fruit-protecting deity—load the pillars. In front of these you have three altars to these three gods—Great, Mighty, Victorious.  They reckon these of Samo-Thrace.  The huge Obelisk [Jochin and Boaz], as Hermeteles [Phallic]affirms, is set up in public to the Sun; its inscription, like its origin, belongs to Egyptian superstition

The distinction between Jews and dogs was never in Fact.  The Law of Moses imposed because of Idolatry governed people Turned over to worship the starry hosts."  Jacob had warned in Genesis 49 not to enter into a Levi covenant nor to attend their assemblies or synagogues.  They were to wait for SHILOH

Gen. 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah,
        nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come;
        and unto him shall the gathering [OBEDIENCE] of the people be.

The Godly people gathered or synagogued in their isolated steelements and wer forbidden to travel to Jerusalem where the holocaust of infants and goats took place. Paul used SYNAGOGUE words for the gathering, assemblying or coming together of the ekklesia or those CALLED OUT OF THE WORLD.

The prophets repudiated the Civil-Military-Clergy and PROPHESIED of the day when the CARNAL national religions  would finally cease and a WINNOWING kingdom begin to separate the GRAIN from the CHAFF as a CREATION RESERVED UNTO FIRE.

The REAL SPIRITUS is Apollon and the sign that he has been unleashed from the smokey pit is the LOCUSTS or his Musical Worship Ream Making the Lambs Dumb before the Slaughter.  And they are dumb and dumber and love to have it so.

Jesus certified or made more certain the PROPHETS inspired by the same Spirit OF Christ (1 Peter 1:11; 2 Corinthians 3; Revelation 19:10).

An Assembly of Christ will be MARKED by the Word, Logos or Regulative Principle: It outlaws rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting, personal WORDS or personal EXPERIENCES.  If you see or hear the MARKS you had better FLEE BABYLON.




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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #26 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 11:39:19 »
The VIPER is biting again.  While Viper may say some truth he DIMINISHES the fact by his SLITHERING. That is his FOREORDAINED PURPOSE and cannot help himself.

Rev. 12:11 And they overcame him by the BLOOD of the Lamb,
       and by the WORD of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev. 12:12  Therefore REJOICE, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
        Woe to the inhabiters of the earth
        and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you,
        having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

His Persona shows that is not the ONLY THING  rofl rofl

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

FIRE AND BRIMSTONE MAKES A FINE BARBECUE. Now wriggle again and gnash your fangs

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« Reply #27 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 11:53:37 »
   Kenneth: "The VIPER [above - now removed] is biting again.  While Viper may say some truth he DIMINISHES the fact by his SLITHERING. That is his FOREORDAINED PURPOSE and cannot help himself."

   Apply this to yourself and you'll get an exact duplicate of the “VIPER” you're opposing! Get the picture?

   Why try to remove the log in “VIPER'S” eye when you have the same log in yours?

Buff
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« Reply #28 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 12:55:30 »
Tertullian in De Spectaculis: Ritual battles of idolatry were performed and the promoter had to lie and say that the performances were to worship the gods and goddesses. They called the theaters Temples for "holy entertainment" to fool the fools.

http://www.piney.com/WinTertDeSpec.html

Buff the DEformer thinks that the Grand Canyon was created 6,000 years ago.  Jesus said that truth is HIDDEN in parables from those with no need to know. He just hates all of that posted Scripture. ::sleepingsoundly:: ::sleepingsoundly::


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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #29 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 14:59:54 »
Quote
yawehNyoh;

    I have been reviewing your posts and I find most of them interesting and intellectually edifying. However, my concern is that Kenneth is striving once again to “capture” and take control of another thread.

    My suggestion is that you ignore his nonsensical clutter as it relates to your messages—for it does not. Our poor brother, if he is a brother, is possessed with the kind of compulsion that drives him to think he is more knowledgeable than anyone else. He ruins and litters-up just about every new tread.

    When he adds his “stuff” and tries to distort my messages, I reply by posting 4th Grade poems to match his 4th Grade intellect. Everyone tries to tolerate his unrelated nonsense, but it isn’t easy. So keep on posting and good luck.

You will notice that yawehNyoh posts his Scripture and I DIALOG in a MANLY way and he doesn't fall into a hand wringing breakdown. ::playingguitar::
I just heard someone on TV say that there are 300 fulfilled Messianic Prophecies.  I would settle for about 50 as being important. Jesus certified those prophecies "CONCERNING ME" and fulfilled to signal the end of the spiritual terrorists who have been unleased again by pretend Christians.

Most people had only separated documents and would never have gotten it right. That is why Jesus is the SON OF GOD as the CHRIST ordained to build HIS new order.

Slander is a SIGN.

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #30 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 18:43:04 »

My 4th Grade Reply To Kenneth's
4th Grade Cluttering

As I was coming down the stair,
I saw someone who wasn’t there;
I saw him again the other day,
He doesn't know how to go away.
______

BUFF

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #31 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 23:35:44 »
MR. SNAKE PIT

Please go see a psychiatrist before you harm or take someone's life. I'm serious.
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« Reply #32 on: Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 23:55:20 »
MR. SNAKE PIT

Please go see a psychiatrist before you harm or take someone's life. I'm serious. It is obvious you are demon-possessed and need to be off the Street before some life is taken. Please heed this advice, for I have worked with your kind before.

Is there a Mental Institution near you? Do you need a lift there?
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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #33 on: Sun Oct 14, 2018 - 00:05:40 »
I will answer only if you will agree to commit yourself to an Institution for the mentally deranged for 6 months. Is that agreeable?

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Re: Christ's Nativity
« Reply #34 on: Sun Oct 14, 2018 - 00:10:00 »
Bad English, too. "between you and I" should be "between you and me." You also need to take a class in English, but only after you get psychiatric help first.