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« on: November 28, 2009, 07:39:55 PM »

“Tis the season to be jolly.” Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. These are sayings associated with Christmas, the day that Jesus the Christ was born; or was it? Certainly this could be a description of Christmas. Celebrations such as these were taking place among non-Christians centuries before Jesus Christ was born! Such customs do not come from the Bible. They have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not originate them, nor were they observed by the prophets (Old Testament) or the apostles (New Testament). We're going to examine Christmas, its origin and customs, and see if in fact Christmas is of God or Pagan. Should it be Celebrated or Rejected?

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all men. Why, because we feed and shelter the less fortunate on this one day called Christmas? Shouldn't we care for the less fortunate all year long? Retailers increase the prices on merchandise, to try to recover from poor sales from the 1st three-quarters of the fiscal year.

Was It The Birth Of Christ?

Christmas (December 25th) is taught to be the day that Jesus the Christ was born. The fact is Jesus was not even born in the winter season. When Jesus was born, "there were shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Judea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them no later than October, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed. Notice in Songs of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season and typically the herds would most likely not be out in the rainy winter season. "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.)

Continuing, "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As..the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins sometime in October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, Jesus was not born on December 25th, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were in the fields by night. Therefore, to celebrate Jesus' birth date on December 25th is not scripturally sound. Any encyclopedia will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25th. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge - though by reading the scriptures, it strongly indicates His birth was in the early fall, probably September, approximately six months after Passover. This can also be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia 1967.








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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2009, 07:46:45 PM »

Some may say, "It does not matter when He was born. I am just celebrating His birth."; whereas others may say "Jesus is the reason for the season." Is that really the case? If Jesus is the reason for the season, then why didn't He let us know when to celebrate his birth? We claim we love Jesus so much but why don't we observe his death as he commanded us. Luke 22:19, "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and break it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me."

He commanded you to observe the Passover, not Easter, which is also a pagan holiday associated with wild sexual orgies. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy Days in Leviticus the 23rd chapter but we ignore those days and observe traditions that have nothing to do with Jesus. (Matthew 15: 1-9). 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.










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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2009, 07:49:53 PM »

Where Did Christmas Come From?

World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ. The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. The end of December was an especially significant time in the northern hemisphere. Days were short; nights long. The sun was at its lowest point. This called for the celebration of special festivals of thanksgiving and encouragement to the waning sun. When at the winter solstice in late December, the days began to lengthen once again, there was great festivity lasting into the first part of January. The reason was that the declining sun---the light of the world--had been reborn and began to gain in strength.

Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice ". The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra (the Persian's Sun God) celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun). The history book a Pictorial History of the Italian People states, "Saint Gregory was repelled by Graeco-Roman civilization and, paradoxically, did more than anyone else to facilitate the absorption of pagan residues into Italian Christianity. Through that process of absorption, any paganism hostile to Christianity remaining in Italian rural communities faded away".

The simple fact is that, as more and more people from throughout the Western Roman Empire became converted to an increasingly popular Christianity, they brought many of their favorite customs with them. "The pagan [winter festivals of the] Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence... The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit or in manner... Christians of Mesopotamia accused their western brethren of idolatry and sun-worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival. Yet the festival rapidly gained acceptance and became at last so firmly entrenched that even the Protestant revolution of the sixteenth century was not able to dislodge it..." (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Volume III, article "Christmas.") You see this going on in churches today. Churches are constantly recruiting new members from other denominations and they often bring some aspect of their previous church to the new one. If you notice, many Christians today celebrate the Roman Catholic tradition of Lent. Historically, Lent, was not celebrated by Protestant churches.

















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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2009, 07:53:32 PM »

Regardless of what faith a person has branched off on, Christmas should always start with Midnight Mass. If a person feels uncomfortable in a Catholic Church, then EWTN Catholic Television will air the Pope celebrating Midnight Mass at the Vatican. All secular network news agencies Worldwide with show the Pope starting Christmas with a Mass at midnight in Rome.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2009, 07:55:28 PM »

I went many years without observing Christmas.  I will celebrate Christmas for the same reason (there are other reasons)
But one main reason because I can and want to.  I celebrated Haloween for the same reasons. Smile
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2009, 08:01:51 PM »

I love this time of year  Clapping up high  I love celebrating Christmas  Clapping up high  I am going to start posting my Christmas devotions with some Christmas songs next week.

I will never cease to be amazed that God came to this earth!!!  I have been saved 32 years this month and each year Christmas season becomes more of a blessing.  Next Sunday PM I am going to see Handel's Messiah  Clapping up high
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2009, 08:31:04 PM »

I can remember in grade school having a birthday party for kids that were going to have their birthday during breaks, summer and so forth.   I'm sure everybody was disgusted and dismayed at the joy it brought to all involved by the inaccuracy of the date.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2009, 09:12:44 PM »

People from our Western culture should purchase an Advent Wreath at a Chrisain Book Store now. It's usually a green wreath with four or five candles.  Beginning with the First Sunday of Advent, there is lighting of a candle along with Bible reading and prayers. Then, each subsequent week until the last Sunday before Christmas, all four candles will be lit.   
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2009, 10:29:26 PM »

People from our Western culture should purchase an Advent Wreath at a Chrisain Book Store now. It's usually a green wreath with four or five candles.  Beginning with the First Sunday of Advent, there is lighting of a candle along with Bible reading and prayers. Then, each subsequent week until the last Sunday before Christmas, all four candles will be lit.   

I am going to participate in Advent this year...Starting tomorrow (or today for some reading this!)  I can never get enough of the story of Immanuel...God with us...
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2009, 10:30:05 PM »

celebrate the rejection, or reject the celebration.  Both?  Bi-polar!
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2009, 10:30:58 PM »

'The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us' (John 1.14).

This actually happened.
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Read God's Word prayerfully every day; it's a joy and privilege.

If folks feel they must have TATTOOS, have you considered having faith related designs tattooed?

(And try vacationing in the South: plenty of sun, and some great churches down there!)
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2009, 10:35:57 PM »

'The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us' (John 1.14).

This actually happened.

Amazing!!! It becomes more amazing to me each year.  God walked this earth with us!!!
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 11:40:51 PM »

'The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us' (John 1.14).

This actually happened.

Amen!
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2009, 12:13:43 AM »

I don't understand the point of the first three posts in this thread.

I go to church on a day named for a pagan God, look forward to football on a day named for a pagan God,....

I worship a Messiah who was birthed through a people that don't accept Him.

I am a member of a religion whose primarily recorded leader was a liar, persecutor, conspiracy member, and murderer. A man who actively worked against the religion in opposition to God.

I am a member of a denomination that relies on holy books written by Messiah-denying people, that has incorporated  rituals and assemblies similar to those used by Messiah-denying people, and that regularly reads publicly the ancient writings of Messiah-denying people.

Once I get past all those, I'm thinking remembering the birth of that Messiah on any day - January, April, September, or December is just fine, thank you.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2009, 12:25:58 AM »

I don't understand the point of the first three posts in this thread.

I go to church on a day named for a pagan God, look forward to football on a day named for a pagan God,....

I worship a Messiah who was birthed through a people that don't accept Him.

I am a member of a religion whose primarily recorded leader was a liar, persecutor, conspiracy member, and murderer. A man who actively worked against the religion in opposition to God.

I am a member of a denomination that relies on holy books written by Messiah-denying people, that has incorporated Messiah-denying rituals and assemblies, and that regularly reads publicly the ancient writings of Messiah-denying people.

Once I get past all those, I'm thinking remembering the birth of that Messiah on any day - January, April, September, or December is just fine, thank you.

Often you have a way of stating things quite well, HR
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