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Please explain your tie to Mormonism.

9. We believe that in the Bible is contained the word of God, that the Book of Mormon is an added witness for Christ, and that these contain the "fullness of the gospel."
(BC 44:13) (Ezek 37:15-20; 1 Ne 3:157-166, 191-196;)

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 17:22:03 »
NO TIES THAT BIND.  Alexander Campbell knew Sidney Rigdon

Sidney Rigdon's Influence

Sidney Rigdon could not create any interest in the Cane Ridge Theology among restoration churches except at Kirtland, Ohio where "the delusions" made progress among about half of the church--again division resulted.

However, he had already been rejected as a fanatic who would readily promote the "exercises." Alexander Campbell said of Rigdon in 1831:

    "His instability I was induced to ascribe to a peculiar mental and corporeal malady, to which he has been subject for some years. Fits of melancholy succeeded by fits of enthusiasm accompanied by some kind of nervous spasms and swoonings which he has, since his defection, interpreted into the agency of the Holy Spirit, or the recovery of spiritual gifts, produced a versatility in his genius and deportment which has been increasing for some years." (Randall, p. 368)

His very "madness" caused people to believe that he was "tetched by God." In addition, he understood the charismatic preaching style very well. And even those considered quite outrageous can attract the curious.

When he got excited over Sidney's young daughter, Joseph Smith "had a vision" and used the ploy that God had instructed him to take her as a wife. If God agreed then who was she to resist his efforts. He locked her in a room but she couldn't be seduced. She "told" and created a stir which troubled Sidney that a "prophet" would do such a thing. The women were not fooled but saw this as attempted rape.

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 18:10:21 »
They all wear the same underwear?

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 19:23:13 »
They all wear the same underwear?


Nope. CofC people don't dress like this-


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« Reply #4 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 21:52:39 »
Should we UNMASK HIM?

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« Reply #5 on: Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 05:12:21 »
Please explain your tie to Mormonism.

9. We believe that in the Bible is contained the word of God, that the Book of Mormon is an added witness for Christ, and that these contain the "fullness of the gospel."
(BC 44:13) (Ezek 37:15-20; 1 Ne 3:157-166, 191-196;)

http://www.churchofchrist-tl.org/basicbeliefs.html

Interresting indeed! The truth is that this world was flooded with false cults shortly after 1800 until where we are now. They all believe in a "similarly gospel" of WORKS, all one needs to do take their confessions and it is easily proven. The Mormons and CoC started very close to together (in doctrine) and went their separate ways around 1840-50 or so. Do a search and one will see that SDA, the Jehovah Witnesses, and the Mormons all started within a hundred to a hundred fifty miles of each other!
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« Reply #6 on: Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 05:17:52 »
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22. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel, and in the restoration of the ten lost tribes.
(Is 11:11-12; Jer 16:14-16, 31:10-12; Ezek 36:21-28; 3 Ne 10:1-7)

23. We believe a temple will be built in this generation, in Independence, Missouri, wherein Christ will reveal himself and endow his servants whom he chooses with power to preach the gospel in all the world to every kindred, tongue and people, that the promises of God to Israel may be fulfilled.
(Mic 4:1-2; Mal 3:1-4; 3 Ne 10:4; Eth 6:8)

24. We believe that a New Jerusalem shall be built upon this land "unto the remnant of the seed of Joseph. . . " ". . . which city shall be built, beginning at the Temple Lot."
(3 Ne 9:57-59, 10:1-4; Eth 6:6-8; Revelation to Joseph Smith given Sept, 22 & 23, 1832)
Well now, Joe's revelation DID NOT come to pass as predicted, so what does that make him?

Amazingly anyone could follow such a cult! ONLY by the grace of God we do not. Seems as though the CoC and the Mormons their big brother, were very closely connected for a while in their early stages.  These confessions are ALL wrong and can be easily proven.
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« Reply #7 on: Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 05:50:52 »
Rigdon defected to what would become the LDS Mormons.  He shaped most of their theology and was their vice president (second in command to Joe Smith and his closest advisor)  He was the heir apparent after Smith was killed but was pushed out by Young and much effort was made to wipe his contributions from their history.  He tried to lead a separate group after he was forced out but never got traction.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 07:42:36 »
Nope. CofC people don't dress like this-




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« Reply #9 on: Fri Mar 16, 2018 - 10:35:35 »
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Interresting indeed! The truth is that this world was flooded with false cults shortly after 1800 until where we are now. They all believe in a "similarly gospel" of WORKS, all one needs to do take their confessions and it is easily proven.


If I am not Mistaken, Sidney Rigdon was associated with the Redstone Baptists.  Before, sinning beyond redemption read:

http://www.piney.com/ACRichChX.html

Thomas Paine gave you both political and religious liberty.  The First Great American Awakening resulted in 321 separate sects most of which were Baptists of which 146 denominations still exists. After religious freedom people came to the United States as a mission field so LOTS of things happened about the same time. The wild frontier gave traveling fleecers loose. Sidney Rigdon was NEVER part of The Churches of Christ.

To say that Churches of Christ believe in a gospel of WORKS is false.  Thomas Campbell brought the Declaration and Address with Him and his pattern was:

Church is a School of Christ
Worship is Reading and Musing the Word excluding personal opinions while the Societies Gathered.

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The Mormons and CoC started very close to together (in doctrine) and went their separate ways around 1840-50 or so.

Do a search and one will see that SDA, the Jehovah Witnesses, and the Mormons all started within a hundred to a hundred fifty miles of each other!


UTTERLY FALSE:

There was never any similarity between the Disciples-Christians which were Anglican-Church of England Derived.
Churches of Christ denied any connection with the Disciples/Christians BEFORE and AFTER the 1832 agreement of some preachers.
The SDA and the Churches of Christ had ZERO in common.

William J. Nottingham Global Ministries.

"My point here is that the first missionary society was the product of a long and intense process which generated considerable soul-searching. There were shared biblical principles and at the same time fundamental differences in theological opinion. Disagreement grew
      concerning congregational ecclesiology,
      commonality in mission with other Christians,
      and also perhaps communion of the Holy Spirit.


Denying ANY connection between Churches of Christ and the Disciples/Christians SDA movement.

http://www.piney.com/Stone.Campbell.Burnett.html

THE DISCIPLES/CHRISTIANS TRIED TO TAKE OVER CHURCHES OF CHRIST AND BECAME A FULL DENOMINATION IN 1906.  When the "Christians" could not own Churches of Christ they formed the NACC in 1927.  The Restructure of the Disciples in 1968 led to the total SECTING OUT of the Christins and finalized in 1971.

This tension would eventuate in separate bodies and institutions of the 20th and 21st centuries. A full appreciation is probably hidden from us in the distance from ante-bellum times.
       But the nature of the Bible's authority,
       the relatively new idea of the autonomy of the local congregation,
       and the centrality of millennialist eschatology for these men and women,

with men doing most of the writing which is left to us, seem to me to be mysteries that can only be observed from different angles and rarely entered into existentially by later generations like our own.

This is evidenced in the decisions concerning missionaries growing out of this fervor leading up to the Cincinnati convention: Dr. and Mrs. James T. Barclay were the first. It was in their parlor in Washington, D.C., 1843, that the congregation had been organized which became the Vermont Avenue Church and in 1930 the National City Christian Church.

They went to Jerusalem, not because of Acts 1:8 "beginning with Jerusalem" as a popular Disciples legend has it, but because it was taken for granted by Alexander Campbell and his followers that the Jews were to be converted before the return of Christ.

That was a false assumption: the Millenial Harbinger's major thrust was not to SUPPORT Millerism but to defeat it.  Campbell denies that Jesus will return to Canaan.  Because the Church of Christ did not believe in William E. Miller [Ellen G. White].  You will notice that it was the Disciples who were tilted by Miller.

The title of Campbell's journal proclaimed clearly the eschatology of the pre-Civil War spirituality, so neglected in our denominational memory by scholars and theologians since then.

Notice that Campbell spoke of THE PROTESTANT THEORY: not his because he speaks where the Bible speaks and insists on a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH and that you could not convert people after the literal earth was burned up.

THE WORLD HISTORY MAKES THE SAME BLUNDER:

In the Millennial Harbinger of 1841,
       we read in what is called The Protestant Theory:
      "The Millennium, so far as the triumphs of Christianity is concerned, will be a state of greatly enlarged and continuous prosperity, in which the Lord will be exalted and his divine spirit enjoyed in an unprecedented measure. All the conditions of society will be vastly improved; wars shall cease, and peace and good will among men will generally abound. The Jews will be converted, and the fullness of the Gentiles will be brought into the kingdom of the Messiah."


CAMPBELL SPOKE OF THE PROTESTANT THEORY TO REPUDIATE IT!

The founding of the American Christian Missionary Society cannot be separated from the millennialist eschatology of the period

The Disciples followed the Millerites: not Campbell.


nor from the pragmatism which required a foreign dimension to keep pace with other denominations or to outgrow them! D.S. Burnet's book The Jerusalem Mission and Dr. Barclay's book The City of the Great King make this clear, along with speeches and articles by various leaders like Isaac Errett. Barclay wrote in a journal The Christian Age:

"The ACMS...resolved...
     to make the first offer of salvation to Israel. . .
     for the salvation of the Jews...
     for upon the conversion and resumption of Israel[
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History of The Church of Christ (the Rock) from the wilderness onward debunking the Stone-Campbels.

http://www.piney.com/Preview.World.History.of.the.Stone-Campbell.Movement.html
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« Reply #10 on: Sun Mar 18, 2018 - 18:37:07 »
Rella, the Church of Christ I grew up in bears little resemblance to the organization in the link. One give away to me was that Mormons were reviled by the Church of Christ group I knew, AND a big deal was the Church of Christ I knew and know does not acknowledge any present day apostles  as this group does.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun Mar 18, 2018 - 19:00:53 »
Rella, the Church of Christ I grew up in bears little resemblance to the organization in the link. One give away to me was that Mormons were reviled by the Church of Christ group I knew, AND a big deal was the Church of Christ I knew and know does not acknowledge any present day apostles  as this group does.

Except Jaime has a similar pair of underoos.

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Mar 21, 2018 - 08:46:42 »
That makes me angry. How did Romney and Jaime get underoos and I didn't ?

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Mar 21, 2018 - 11:47:19 »
Do they do an undy check for each assembly. What is the penalty if you color yours pink?

The Book of Mormon was a take off of the KJV and is ignorance personified.
First, the Mormon just monetarized the Massonic system.  Solomon also monetarized from Hiram the Masonic Architect. He had built the temple to MELQART who is Isaiah and Ezekiel's LUCIFER. He is Moloch, Molech, Malcam which was brought from Africa especially famous in Carthage.

Mormons ordain children into the AARONIC priesthood as the OPPOSITE of the priesthood from Judah. Mormons reproduced the Laver supported by the CALVES.

They have done a Slick Willy job of trying to make themselves seem "christian" but the are the ANTIITHESIS of  the Priesthood of Jesus.

ALL OF THE "AUTHORITY" FOR IMPOSING INSTRUMENTS IN ORDER TO DRIVE OUT OWNERS AND COLLECT THEIR OWN IS BASED ON THE GOD-CURSED AND GOD-ABANDONED LEVITES.  RITUALS ARE DEVOID OF THE PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS. THE MARK IS MOCKING THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE OR THE LOGOS.  GOD IS WORD AS HE IS LIGHT, GRACE ETAL.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)
         what further need was there that another priest
         should rise after the order of Melchisedec,
         and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb. 7:12 For the priesthood being changed,
         there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb. 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe,
         of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb. 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda;
        of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

A pseudo priest is anyone who mediates in song or sermon both OUTLAWED by the LOGOS and is a subconscious or unconscious DRIVEN pattern of SET A KING OVER US which was seen by God as His invitation to LEAVE THEM ALONE.



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« Reply #14 on: Wed Mar 21, 2018 - 14:43:13 »
Clarification.

The very reason I posted the OP that I did was in response to a search I was doing and the subject came up.

On Thur eve, Mar 15 I had a very nice Church of Christ minister sitting in the livingroom talking to my mom, myself and 2 others of immersion baptism.

How this came to be is a long story for another day, but it was as he was questioning us, ( me primarily) and in his talking and explanations of things he was talking of Alexander Campbell and his leaving the "Presbyterian" church , over his disagreement of infant baptism among other things of disagreement.

I listened and my ears perked up at the mention of Presbyterian because I have been associated with the Presbyterian church all my life. This has been a paternal family thing for centuries.

( A little family history…

Francis Doughty (1616-1670)  (MY direct blood line ancestor)
English American Presbyterian minister

Was ordained a priest in the Church of England. But he got into trouble referring improperly about Charles 1 and ended up migrating to America.

Long story short, he had pastored churches in Taunton and Cohasset MASS, where he got into trouble (again)  and was persecuted on account of his beliefs regarding infant baptism. He had preached that all children of baptized parents were children of Abraham and therefore ought to be baptized as well.

Then, moving south to Long Island and Maspath NY, he was granted power to erect a church and to exercise the Reformed Christian religion.

Finally, after much trouble from Indians in the area he made his way to Virginia

In VA he became known for “troublesome but unsuccessful witch-hunting proclivities.

William Gray Dixon called him the “Apostle of Presbyterianism in America”
(Somewhere I have a pic of his church in VA that they believe was his))

So I was anxious to look into this and found the OP topic mentioned.
I was anxious as I had family who became Presbyterian, due to how he came to understand infant baptism and was talking to and listening about someone who dropped out of being a Presbyterian  for the very same reason.

Anyway... I found it interesting for sure that not only did Alexander break from the church, his father did also... and seemingly not
together, but they were separated and came to the same conclusions at the same time....

Now I am certain you ALL know this... but it was news to me.

Of further interest was Alexander came to PA. And when Alexander finally arrived in PA. it was here  discovered his father had also seceded from the local presbytery!

Seems his dad had founded his own christian Association in Washington County, PA  ... ( And this is my own back yard)

You can read more of their story here:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/people/denominationalfounders/alexander-campbell.html

Anyway.... As it stands it would appear that this man is not the one who will be doing my immersion. He did not have a problem with my/our wishes for it to be private but was more concerned with if it would cause trouble because I/we were not going to join his CoC.

As he left he said he would talk to his elders. There are 3 and he had already talked to two of them, and he would get in touch with me.











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« Reply #15 on: Wed Mar 21, 2018 - 15:21:07 »
Thomas Campbell left a Presbyterian sect to keep from getting excommunicated.  He was caught letting Presbyterians not of their sect observe the Lord's Supper.  You needed to be pre approved before you could participate.

Without this you will NOT participate.




Baptism is to request the approval of JESUS to admit you to His School of the Word. You can't join a church of Christ so you are speaking of a specific congregation.

The Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness defines the assembly of those not abandoned to the Sacrificial System both inclusively and exclusively.  The Prophets further define the Ekklesia or Synagogue both inclusively and exclusively.  The door too door people were probably spiritually deprived by never hearing much about the prophets.  The Campbells did not originate The Church of Christ.

The Church of Christ by Name and practice was untainted until the Bishops at Rome after Constantine took control.  The early missionaries called themselves Poor Priests because they continued the early practice of going into the world. They normally set up schools in dark places and helped enhance agriculture, roads and other needs.  Then as now rich people took over these establishments to serve their own needs in controlling the SERFS.  These lords became princes and the strongest became King and He controlled Popes.

The Campbell's and others rejected when the Scots made the Presbyterian the State church and added Church of England practices.

John Calvin called for a Reformation or Restoration of the Church of Christ by simply removing anything not commanded nor necessary to conduct Ekklesia.  Churches are like Ships: they have to scrape the barnacles.  Nevertheless, you should never look to humanoids as authority in anything especially if they are selling the Free Water of the Word.


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( A little family history…

Francis Doughty (1616-1670)  (MY direct blood line ancestor)
English American Presbyterian minister



Ummm, not to hijack, but we may be related. One of my ancestors is Ann Doughty (1665) England - (1716) Pennsylvania.  I will email you.


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« Reply #17 on: Wed Mar 21, 2018 - 16:09:51 »
We should honor our ancestors because lots of them were sincere Bible readers and Believers. It is amazing what many of them went through and still remained faithful.  The American Revolution removed much of the danger of having an opinion or even caught reading the Bible.  When the Campbells and others were venturing into the wild frontiers it was brave mothers who risked it all to have Bibles.

I was curious about the Anointing of all of the orifices which changed in time.  Originally even women had to strip naked and have some guy washer her and anoint her with oil in all of the right places.  I found this lady explaining it all. They allowed women to wear a loose but open garment so they could reach all of the vital points.

I regret that people give so much credit to people who would engage in childish antics and secret signs to keep themselves hidden from the non anointed.  Because Mormons, like the Jews, they use, were tainted by Babylon Hislop notes:

"They say that in the Egyptian dialect Hercules is called Chon." Compare this with WILKINSON, where Chon is called "Sem." Now Khon signifies "to lament" in Chaldee, and as Shem was Khon--i.e., "Priest" of the Most High God, his character and peculiar circumstances as Khon "the lamenter" would form an additional reason why he should be distinguished by that name by which the Egyptian Hercules was known

CHRISTIANS are not ordained Levitical or Aaronic priests but:

Gen. 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS06IPuVlO4


Children become Priests of the MOST HIGH GOD. ALL names of Gods are generic and widely used: that is why Jehovah the only real Elohim always identifies Himself in connection with some event among the Hebrews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2mzrBXWwOc

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Apr 16, 2018 - 13:23:27 »
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Please explain your tie to Mormonism.

9. We believe that in the Bible is contained the word of God, that the Book of Mormon is an added witness for Christ, and that these contain the "fullness of the gospel."
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From what I have learned is that one of Alexander Campbell's assistants defected from the restoration movement and decided to join Joseph Smith's camp. He then imported some of the teachings from the restoration movement to the Mormon movement and that is how they share some beliefs. They do not share any common lineage, it was just a weird situation. Alexander Campbell and Joseph Smith lived at the same time. Alexander Campbell used to blast Joseph Smith in his publishings, and Joseph Smith thanked Alexander Campbell for these blastings because it still drew attention to their movement and helped them inadvertently garnar more followers. Other than this, the Church of Christ and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, otherwise known as Mormons, have no ties.
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