You're saying, that FIRST a person has to be saved, given a new heart AND THEN they can understand the bible.
What do you think I'm trying to say? Salvation comes FIRST and then the NEW MAN
Not quite correct, let me explain why. Regeneration comes first
, at which time
God creates a new man within us, from whence we get the phrase BORN again
is formed in us by the words we read in the bible.
This is incorrect. The word of God has no affect upon a man dead in trespasses and sin, he must
be given spiritual life, before
he can hear, see, and understand any spiritual truth. The new man created IN him gives him this power.
The NEW MAN IS the SECOND BIRTH.
What do you think Paul is trying to birth in these SAVED Galatians? These are SAVED Galatians and Christ is not yet formed in them.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Notice the word~again
affectionately sought to save (practically speaking) these Gentile converts through tender gentleness.
He calls them his little children, because he had been their first teacher in the gospel, under whose ministry they had been converted
(not regenerated, that's the work of the Spirit of ALONE) to Christianity, like the Corinthians (Ist Corinthians 4:14-16).
It is possible to lose Jesus Christ and need to have him formed in you again~in your knowledge and understanding
. This language has nothing to do with losing eternal life and the need to be born again.
Paul had converted these Gentiles to full trust in Christ for eternal salvation, and now he was laboring to do it all over again, since they had fallen for the bewitching lies of heretics.
Though birth is used here, the new birth or regeneration is not under consideration
at all, for Paul does not fear the loss of vital salvation by these brethren, only
their understanding (See Galatians 5:4).
He did not regenerate them the first time, and he could not do it again (John 1:13; 3:8)! If anyone forces regeneration into Ist Corinthians 4:15, then we will bring them here, which requires them to preach regeneration, un-regeneration, and regeneration again by a mere man! How foolish!
"The only sense one can give 1st Peter 1:23 and at the same time have a perfect flow of truth with all scriptures which speak of being born again or being saved from sin and condemnation". That's ABSOLUTELY not true.
Then prove I'm not understanding 1st Peter 1:23. Give me your understanding of 1st Peter 1:23 with scriptures supporting your understanding as I did
You just admitted that you don't care what the words actually say because in your version of salvation and the 2nd birth it doesn't make sense . Think about that RB, you're ignoring the words of the bible and comforming those words to your current level of understanding rather than adjusting your current understanding to conform to the words of the bible.
Not sure what you are attempting to say~you need to be clearer. Show me with my quote what you are saying. I did take 1st Petr 1:23 and use other scriptures to give the biblical sense that would flow with the doctrine that the new birth is a birth of the Spirit of God APART from all means including the word of God as a source of the new birth. The Bible is our source of INFORMATION concerning how we are born again, it is NOT the means thereof~the new birth is by God's almighty power, the same power used in resurrecting His Son from the dead. (See Ephesians 1:19,20
The only sense one can give 1st Peter 1:23 is that were are born again by the word of God and that has absolute perfect flow of truth with the bible and if it didn't you would post verses that prove your point but you didn't.
Rob, I did
give the biblical sense of 1st Peter 1:23 here: Reply # 28 Wed Nov 10, 2021 - 08:14:53
beginning reading at 1 Peter 1:23-25 down to the end of the post.
I rushed this a bit, so forgive my typing errors.