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Did God Command Temple Worship for the Unevolved?
« on: Wed Mar 14, 2018 - 15:35:06 »
Most if not all religious wars--literally and polemical--have been based on the Temple and Animal Sacrifices as God's commanded system of worship because mankind had not evolved enough to worship IN the Spirit (place). Because the quoted text is confusing I will move some CLEAR text here.

All institutional religions are based on The Book of The Law as modified by direct inclusions and exclusions.

God's Holy Fire ACU

"A major task facing our churches is the reintegration of the Old Testament into the regular teaching, thinking and PRACTICE of the church" (p. 49).

1. "Eliminating the Old Testament from our canon severely curtails our understanding of the character and activities of God..." (p. 49).
2. "Recovering the Old Testament conversely could transform us more fully into what we have always sought to be--Churches of Christ" (ibid.).
3. "Recognizing that the Old Testament functions just as fully as the New in the canon of the church...." (p. 63).
4.  "Too often, we in churches of Christ have made a mistake in removing the Old Testament, for practical purposes, from our canon. The hole in Scripture has produced a hole in the PRACTICE of our faith" (p. 66
).

THE ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE OF THE PROPHETS MAKES A SWAMP.

However, there is no exception to the truth that Scripture and the Historic Scholars. Both the Tabernacle and Temple was to quarantine animal HOLOCAUSTS inside the gates at only ONE APPROVED place: at Jerusalem called Sodom

John Chrysostom Homilies Acts Chapter 7 Stephen Against the Law and Temple

http://www.piney.com/FathChrysHomVII.html

And yet the Gentiles also had been driven out: for that is why he mentions this: "Whom God drave out," he says, "before the face of our fathers.

    Whom He drave out," he says:
         and even then, no Temple!
    And so many wonders,
         and no mention of a Temple!
    So that, although first there is a Tabernacle,
         yet nowhere a Temple. "Until the days of David,"
    he says: even David,
         and no Temple!

"And he sought to find favor before God" (v. 46):
       and built not:- so far was the Temple from being a great matter!
      "But Solomon built Him an house." (v. 47.)

They thought Solomon was great: but that he was not better than his father, nay not even equal to him, is manifest.

    "Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
    as saith the prophet, Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool.
" (v. 48, 49.)

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Re: Did God Command Temple Worship for the Unevolved?
« Reply #1 on: Wed Mar 14, 2018 - 16:16:24 »
Justin Martyr to Trypho the Jew.

http://www.piney.com/FathJustinDiaTrypho.html


Chapter XVIII.-Christians Would Observe the Law, If They Did Not Know Why It Was Instituted.

"For since you have read, O Trypho, as you yourself admitted, the doctrines taught by our Saviour, I do not think that I have done foolishly in adding some short utterances of His to the prophetic statements.

    Wash therefore, and be now clean, and put away iniquity from your souls,
    as God bids you be washed in this laver,
    and be circumcised with the true circumcision.

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,-namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us,-I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?

Chapter XIX.-Circumcision Unknown Before Abraham. The Law Was Given by Moses on Account of the Hardness of Their Hearts.

"It is this about which we are at a loss, and with reason, because, while you endure such things, you do not observe all the other customs which we are now discussing."

"This circumcision is not, however, necessary for all men, but for you alone, in order that, as I have already said, you may suffer these things which you now justly suffer.

    Nor do we receive that useless baptism of cisterns, for it has nothing to do with this baptism of life.

Wherefore also God has announced that you have forsaken Him, the living fountain, and digged for your selves broken cisterns which can hold no water. Even you, who are the circumcised according to the flesh, have need of our circumcision; but we, having the latter, do not require the former. For if it were necessary, as you suppose, God would not have made Adam uncircumcised; would not have had respect to the gifts of Abel when, being uncircumcised, he offered sacrifice and would not have been pleased with the uncircumcision of Enoch, who was not found, because God had translated him. Lot, being uncircumcised, was saved from Sodom, the angels themselves and the Lord sending him out. Noah was the beginning of our race; yet, uncircumcised, along with his children he went into the ark. Melchizedek, the priest of the Most High, was uncircumcised;

    to whom also Abraham the first who received circumcision after the flesh, gave tithes, and he blessed him: after whose order God declared, by the mouth of David, that He would establish the everlasting priest. Therefore to you alone this circumcision was necessary, in order that the people may be no people, and the nation no nation; as also Hosea, 44 one of the twelve prophets, declares.

Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned, though they kept no Sabbaths, 45 were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses, under whom your nation appeared unrighteous and ungrateful to God,

    making a calf in the wilderness:
    wherefore God, accommodating Himself to that nation,
    enjoined them also to offer sacrifices,

        as if to His name, in order that you might not serve idols. Which precept, however, you have not observed; nay, you sacrificed your children to demons.

    And you were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That ye may know that I am God who redeemed you.' 46

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Re: Did God Command Temple Worship for the Unevolved?
« Reply #2 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 05:24:59 »
Did God command Temple worship at all?

No.

Honestly, I'm not even sure he commanded the Tabernacle.  As much as it is written about by the priests in Exodus-Numbers, it is conspicuously absent from Moses' book of prophecy - Deuteronomy.  Like, it just isn't there at all, until the very final chapter, which was clearly a late addition, since it speaks of Moses death.

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Re: Did God Command Temple Worship for the Unevolved?
« Reply #3 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 06:26:42 »
Leaving them, He again embarked and went away to the other side.

And they had forgotten to take bread, and did not have more than one loaf in the boat with them.
And He was giving orders to them, saying, “Watch out! Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.”
They began to discuss with one another the fact that they had no bread.

And Jesus, aware of this, *said to them, “Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart?
“HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember, when I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces you picked up?” They *said to Him, “Twelve.”
“When I broke the seven for the four thousand, how many large baskets full of broken pieces did you pick up?” And they *said to Him, “Seven.”
And He was saying to them, “Do you not yet understand?”
-Mrk.8:13-21


For seven women will take hold of one man in that day, saying, “We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach!”

In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel.
It will come about that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy—everyone who is recorded for life in Jerusalem.

When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and purged the bloodshed of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and the spirit of burning,
then the LORD will create over the whole area of Mount Zion and over her assemblies a cloud by day, even smoke, and the brightness of a flaming fire by night; for over all the glory will be a canopy.
There will be a shelter to give shade from the heat by day, and refuge and protection from the storm and the rain.
-Isa.4:1-6


And they *came to Bethsaida. And they *brought a blind man to Jesus and *implored Him to touch him.

Bethsaida means pool or house of fish. 

Taking the blind man by the hand, He brought him out of the village; and after spitting on his eyes and laying His hands on him, He asked him, “Do you see anything?”
And he looked up (lit. gained sight) and said, “I see men, for I see them like trees, walking around.”


Uprooted, trees walking around are not planted.

Then again He laid His hands on his eyes; and he looked intently and was restored, and began to see everything clearly.
And He sent him to his home, saying, “Do not even enter the village.”
-Mrk. 8:22-26

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 11:14:36 »
PART 1: FOR PROGRESSIVE CHURCHES OF CHRIST MEANING APOSTATES YOU HAD BETTER HAVE EYES AND EARS. John T. Willis led by a dominate SPIRITUALIST lady at ACU is the Father of all Apostates.

Lewis: The World and Literature of the Old Testament, John T. Willis Editor

When Jesus speaks of “the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms” as being fulfiiled in him (Luke 24:44), his division of the Scriptures approximates the Jewish threefold division of the OT. But the NT also suggests a twofold division. One often reads in the NT such expressions as “the law and the prophets’’ (Matt. 5:17; Luke 16:16;Rom. 3:21) and “Moses and the prophets” (Luke 16:29;John 1:46; Acts 28:23).

    These expressions are typical Jewish ways of referring to the OT, for there is no question that at this stage the Writings formed a portion of acknowledged Scripture.
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Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Holy Scripture includes the PROPHETS and other prophecies concerning MESSIAH.

Rom. 1:2 (Which he had PROMISED afore by his PROPHETS in the HOLY SCRIPTURES,)
2Tim. 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,
        which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

THERE IS NOTING FROM MOSES UNTIL ANOTHER PROPHET LIKE ME THAT IS HOLY SCRIPTURES TO MAKE ONE WISE UNTO SALVATION BASED ON CHRIST.


Lewis: Early History of the Canon

In later Judaism the threefold division of the OT
        was compared to the holy places of the temple
       -the Law to the Holy of Holies,
        the Prophets to the Holy Place,
        and the Writings to the Temple Court.


God did not COMMAND The Temple: it was designed and built by Hiram the Masonic Architecture and and Solomon enslaved the Jews and sold cities into bondage. NO ONE could have read Acts 7 and been so accidentally ignorant

God gave David a place on Mt Zion to build a TENT.
BUT, Solomon built a HOUSE on Mount Moriah.
BUT, God does not live in temples


Lewis: The Jewish position for long centuries has been that the Law is FOREMOST
        and that the Prophets and Writings exist to explain the Law.


The PROPHETS exist to REPUDIATE The Law of Moses Given to legislate for the Lawleness
The godly people did not go to TEMPLE WORSHIP on Rest days but to their isolated settlements to hold CHURCH SERVICES by READING the Word of God.

Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [EDUCATED] the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


Lewis: The Prophets and Writings, to be sure, are inspired; but the Law is basic. rofl
It is convenient to approach the subject of canon in three parts. 


DENOUNCING THE TEMPLE
Jer. 8:8 How do ye say,
        We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us?
        Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

Cyril of Alexandria, Commentary on John, 

That the Pharisees puffed up unto strange boasting,
        were wont to pretend that the Divine Word was with them and in them,
        and therefore foolishly affirmed that they had advanced to marvellous wisdom,
        the Spirit Itself will testify,
        since Christ says by the Prophet Jeremiah unto them,
                How do ye say, WE are wise, and the word of the Lord is with us?
                For nought to the scribes became their lying pen;
                the wise men were ashamed, were dismayed and taken;
                what wisdom is in them? because they rejected the word of the Lord.

For how are they not taken rejecting the Living and Hypostatic Word of God,
         receiving not the faith to Him-ward,
         but dishonouring the Impress of God the Father,
         and refusing to behold His most true Form (so to say)
         through His God-befitting Authority and Power?


Lewis: The Prophets. When Ezra read the law to the people, no mention is made of his having read also from the Prophets.
        This does not mean that at that time the divine authority of the prophets was not recognized.
        Indeed, Ezra, as he ad-dresses God and speaks of Israel, says: “
        Many years thou didst bear with them, and didst warn them by thy Spirit through thy prophets ...”(Neh. 9:30).
        Yet, so far as is known, it was not the work of Ezra and Nehemiah
        to gather the prophetic books together and close the prophetic canon.


THE INSPIRED PROPHETS ALWAYS REPUDIATED THE TEMPLE AND SACRIFICES.

I will pause for lunch and hope that there will be some observations. I will post the REAL Nehemiah who was a prophet.

In two places the TESTIMONY OF JESUS was the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY
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Re: Did God Command Temple Worship for the Unevolved?
« Reply #5 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 16:20:45 »
THERE IS NOTING FROM MOSES UNTIL ANOTHER PROPHET LIKE ME THAT IS HOLY SCRIPTURES TO MAKE ONE WISE UNTO SALVATION BASED ON CHRIST.
And who is that prophet "like unto me?"

Acts 3 discusses it at some length, but a simple read-through of the chapter was a little ambiguous.  Is it Jesus?  Or is Luke including all the prophets?  Both are mentioned.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 17:07:45 »
Unfortunately, you cannot make a business out of the Prophets.

I believe that the REST of Messiah is prophesied in the Prophets.
Jesus made those prophesied more perfect
They were moved or breathed into by the Spirit of God
They are not to private interpretation meaning further expoundig
That would be the mark of a false teacher

The assembly in the synagogues was a Holy Convocation or a Reading and Learning assembly.
The Synagogues of small groups were taught by vocational leaders.
The Book of The Covenant based on Grace was Patriarchal and that never changed

2Pet. 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly [Jewish] devised fables,
         when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
         but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pet. 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory,
        when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory,
        This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pet. 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard,
         when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
          whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
          as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
          until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
          but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Pet. 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
         even as there shall be false teachers among you,
         who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
         even denying the Lord that bought them,
         and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pet. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
          by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pet. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words
          make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
          and their damnation slumbereth not.

The Campbells tried to follow John Calvin's call to restore the church by just ELIMINATING STUFF. Groups could assembly in small communities to "Read and Muse the Word" and people were not forced to listen to dogma

When Jesus attended synagogue He stood up to READ, made a brief comment and SAT DOWN.

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« Reply #7 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 17:13:20 »
I think you just declined to expound (aka answer my question).  Did I read that right?

edit: No matter, I think I have the answer anyway; that being that they aren't really two different options.

1Sa 15:10  Then came the Word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying...

Jhn 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...
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« Reply #8 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 17:52:56 »
Notice that the word which God speaks is the same as the Word of.  God SENDS his Word and it is still the DABAR or LOGOS.

Sam. 15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words [h1697]  of the Lord.

1Sam. 15:10 Then came the word [h1697 of the Lord unto Samuel, saying,
1Sam. 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me,
       and hath not performed my commandments.
        And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.

Notice that the voice speaks words is the same as God sending His Word.

Eph. 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, [g3056 Logos]
Eph. 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph. 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now REVEALED unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

John 1:14 And the Word [g3056 Logos] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of GRACE

In the same sense, God is Word, Light and Grace: Grace is made visible and audible when God breathes and Jesus TEACJES/

Titus 2:11 For the GRACE of God that bringeth salvation hath APPEARED to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

GRACE TEACHES THROUGH SPEAKING WORDS.
God once spoke through the Prophets but now speaks through His SON as creator of a spiritual kingdom since the FIRST one was destroyed by Water.

WORD is Dabar or Logos and is GOD because it is GOD'S REGULATIVE OR GOVERING PRINCIPLE. He SPEAKS and it is DONE.  Once Jesus had delivered the WORDS or LOGOS He said "My WORDS are SPIRIT AND THEY ARE life."

Logos is considered a god as Hermes, Mercury or Kairos who is the only speaker and mediator with the gods.

What Jesus SPOKE and the Writers Saw and Heard is MAKING MORE CERTAIN what that same WORD or God's Word revealed to the prophets.

I have lots ways in which LOGOS is used in Greek and Latin.


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« Reply #9 on: Thu Mar 15, 2018 - 18:25:48 »
The main thing there is just to prove the equivalence of DaBaR and Logos.  Because the LXX Greek has Logios in a lot of places, and there is probably room to quibble over a jot here and there.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Mar 28, 2018 - 01:39:26 »
I can find no scriptural basis for these ideas. Indeed the scriptures are emphatically to the contrary.  Remember that God himself said, "Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them." Exodus 25:8
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« Reply #11 on: Wed Mar 28, 2018 - 11:22:42 »
The Tabernacle was a  CENTRAL, SINGLE place where God spoke only to Moses.  All of the tribes were camped around that SINGULAR place.  Later, the people east of the Jordan planned to set up another tabernacle which was an invitation to Civil War.

Exod 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

Exod 25:9 According to all that I shew thee,
        after the pattern of the tabernacle,
        and the pattern of all the instruments thereof,
        even so shall ye make it.

Exod 25:10 And they shall make an ark of shittim wood:
        two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof,
        and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.

God gave The Book of The Covenant based on Grace with no mandatory sacrifices.
The People refused to listen to God and demanded that Moses be their mediator.
While Moses was getting the Covenant and Tablets up on the mountain the people rose up in musical idolatry of their Egyptian golden Calf.



This was beyond redemption, the older generation never got to the "promised land" and God sentenced the rest to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST and sent them into Captivity and Death.

The Tabernacle was now OFF LIMITS to anyone not of the Jacob-Cursed and God-Abandoned tribe of Levi.  That Tabernacle was folded and put into the TEMPLE on Mount Moriah already set up for Jebusite Astrial Worship. The Levites STOOD IN RANKS to execute any one from Aaron.  The king and civil people were outside the gates and represented the people. Edershiem call them Stationary Men.

    Heb. 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum:
            We have such an high priest,
            who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
    Heb. 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
    Heb. 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices:
            wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
    Heb. 8:4 For if he were on earth,
            he should not be a priest,
            seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
    Heb. 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,
            as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle:
            for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Neither Tabernacle or Temple were CHURCH HOUSES or places of worship. The Church in the Wilderness was a READING ASSEMBLY and there were no ORDINANCES.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath
        in every city
        them that PREACH him,
        being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.

SABBATH MEANS REST AND the only meaning of Spiritual Worship was "Giving attendance to the READING of the Word.

At the time of Jesus the SYNAGOGUE existed in Large Numbers in and around Jerusalem.  When Jesus was not our preaching He attended the Synagogue and often STOOD UP TO READ and then sat down.  The Scrolls were not translations so the Senior Rabbi translated and answered any thing that was unclear.

The church continued as SYNAGOGUE (Paul's Words) and the only change or addition was the Lord's Supper. This should have the effect of silencing any personal opinions.  The Synagogue was forbidden to Allegorize. This respected God who inspired the Prophets.  The Law was taught because that governed the Civil life of the people beyond most other people.  The Prophets spoke for the SPIRITUAL life.  The prophets define the future REST (Sabbath or Pauo) both inclusively and exclusively.