Author Topic: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?  (Read 6922 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jaime

  • (Pronounced Hi-Me, not Ja-Me)
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 38250
  • Manna: 796
  • Gender: Male
  • I AM A DEPLORABLE
Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #210 on: Tue Mar 09, 2021 - 14:59:08 »
Thanks Dave. I too believe that baptism in Jesus name as a faith response is part of the salvation process, but apart from faith it is only getting wet ceremonially for no good reason. I can't address the time gap between belief or faith and the faith response of baptism. In my vernacular or experience it is always rather immediate. If someone came to Christ at 9:00 pm, the Christians in my circle were finding water for a baptism. No such animal as scheduling in a few weeks or months. If it required a swimming pool or horse trough, we got 'er done. It was a big deal, a celebratory occasion. I guess that's a cultural thing, regional, denominational, etc. It just seemed in scripture to always be of some urgency. To 'put on Christ", to bury your old man with Christ and come up out of the water a new creation as Christ resurrected from the grave. To wash away our sins in baptism calling upon the name of the Lord. I was taught, that in baptism we appropriated or contacted the blood of Christ that does the washing of the sins. I suppose that may seem trite to some, but it is a great picture in my mind. What can wash away my sins? Nothin' but the blood of Jesus, as the song goes! The water is 100% spiritually inert. But God wanted it done His way. Same with The healing of Naaman. The water wasn’t imortant. God accomplished the healing. it was how God wanted it that was important, not the source of the water, or even the H2O itself, but what God himself DID. Same with baptism. It is NOT like washing water off the body, but a calling upon or an appeal to God 1Peter 3:21. Just as what happened with Paul in his baptism to take care of his sin problem AFTER his Road to Damascus experience with Christ, and why he shouldn’t tarry. Acts 22.

 ::preachit::
 
« Last Edit: Wed Mar 10, 2021 - 05:49:20 by Jaime »

Offline DaveW

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 16649
  • Manna: 199
  • Gender: Male
  • carrying Torah scroll
Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZE ANYONE ?
« Reply #211 on: Wed Mar 10, 2021 - 05:05:40 »
Thanks Dave. I too believe that baptism in Jesus name as a faith response is part of the salvation process, but apart from faith it is only getting wet ceremonially for no good reason. I can't address the time gap between belief or faith and the faith response of baptism. In my vernacular or experience it is always rather immediate. If someone came to Christ at 9:00 pm, the Christians in my circle were finding water for a baptism. No such animal as scheduling on in a few weeks. If it required a swimming pool or horse trough, we got 'er done. It was a big deal, a celebratory occasion. I guess that's a cultural thing, regional, denominational, etc. It just seemed in scripture to always be of some urgency. To 'put on Christ", to bury your old man with Christ and come up out of the water a new creation as Christ resurrected from the grave. To wash away our sins in baptism calling upon the name of the Lord. I was taught, that in baptism we appropriated or contacted the blood of Christ that does the washing of the sins. I suppose that may seem trite to some, but it is a great picture in my mind. What can wash away my sins? Nothin' but the blood of Jesus, as the song goes! The water is 100% spiritually inert.
The congregation i attended in college and after was a borderline mega church.  When i started in January 74 it was about 150 people.  By 77 it was about a thousand.  I lived for a while in one of the large single men households, and we had an oversize bathtub.  We baptized a few dozen young guys there during my time in the house.

Offline e.r.m.

  • Church of Christ
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6783
  • Manna: 74
  • Gender: Male
Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #212 on: Wed Mar 10, 2021 - 15:12:59 »
fish153,
Quote
Baptism did NOT save me, JESUS did.
I frequently wonder how people express this, as if baptism in Jesus's name is outside of Jesus that one would speak of them as if they are separate. Isn't baptism from Jesus? Regardless of the means or expectations the Bible says for our part in being saved, it is still Jesus who saves us. Saying baptism did not save me, Jesus did, makes no sense.
« Last Edit: Wed Mar 10, 2021 - 15:16:32 by e.r.m. »

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #212 on: Wed Mar 10, 2021 - 15:12:59 »

Offline 4WD

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12470
  • Manna: 319
  • (T)ogether (E)veryone (A)chieves (M)ore
Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #213 on: Wed Mar 10, 2021 - 16:17:50 »
The same could be said for faith.  But of course the Bible never says that faith saves us.  It says we are saved by grace through faith.  It says that those who have faith, i.e., those who believe, are saved.  It does not exclude other factors besides faith.  Included also are repentance, confession and baptism into Jesus Christ.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #213 on: Wed Mar 10, 2021 - 16:17:50 »
Pinterest: GraceCentered.com

Offline dan p

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 585
  • Manna: 7
Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #214 on: Tue Jun 22, 2021 - 19:34:11 »
And here is what I have see  " now " in 1 Cor 1:15 .

The  Greek word LEST  is a Greek  disjuctive particle , negative and check Greek text and see .
 That Greek  disjuctive particle , negative means Paul 's  final word is  I did not  Baptize .

 That Greek word is ov  and A MANUEL GRAMMER OF THER GREEK NEW TESTAMENT  by  DANA  and  MANTEY are  Greek  scholars and used to teach Greek .

Also  MINE / AMOS  is a  personal possessive  pronoun and points to Paul , lest I had  baptized in my name and that can not be found , period .

dan p

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #214 on: Tue Jun 22, 2021 - 19:34:11 »



Offline dan p

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 585
  • Manna: 7
Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #215 on: Thu Jul 15, 2021 - 16:12:07 »
And your quote of Gal 3:28 has the  Greek word  NEITHER/VO  and is a  Disjunctive Particle , Negative  Pronoun .

 It than means that the Negative  Pronoun means that their will never be Jews  NEITHER Greeks and  NEITHER  Free or  Slave , NEITHER  Male  nor  Female in the  B O C .

Dan p

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #215 on: Thu Jul 15, 2021 - 16:12:07 »

 

     
anything